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01x01 - Episode 1

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Mind Over m*rder". Aired: June 20 – July 25, 2022.*
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The series follows the complex story of the Beatrice Six, who were convicted in 1989 of the 1985 r*pe and m*rder of Helen Wilson.

01x01 - Episode 1

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[TV static drones]

[bright tone]

[wind whooshing,
birds chirping]

[dramatic music]

[♪ ♪]

Hi.

My name is Callan Williams.

I have lived here
most of my life.

I currently work
at the turkey hatchery

here in town.

My name is Carla Loemker.

I've lived here
since about 1976.

I was born in Beatrice.

I've lived here
most of my life.

Actually, I work just down
the block from the theater

at a salon here downtown.

[tranquil music]

[♪ ♪]

It's your basic small town
in the Midwest of America.


It's one of those towns
that everybody's got


a friendly hand.

Beatrice is basically
the only place


I've ever really known
or wanted to live.


It's a nice enough town,

but there is definitely
a weird undercurrent.

[eerie music]

[♪ ♪]

They're crazy down there.

They're psychotic in a way

that Stephen King
would write about.


[♪ ♪]

There's a lot
of weird history in Beatrice.


[♪ ♪]

The pain
that we've gone through


is just not even describable,

and it's been going on
for 35 years.


[♪ ♪]

For 20 years,
they've been called K*llers,


all wrongly convicted
of the 1985 r*pe and m*rder


of Helen Wilson in her tiny
downtown Beatrice apartment.


[♪ ♪]

It's one
of the most dramatic cases


of exoneration
in U.S. history.


Six people wrongly convicted
of m*rder freed.


[♪ ♪]

Some people still believe
all six of them were guilty.

I think there's still a lot
of doubts in this community

where those six people
were that night.


I haven't ran into anybody

that thinks they should have
been exonerated.


Some of them agreed
that they were guilty.


Once somebody
says they did something,


you're gonna believe
that they did.


How can someone
say they did something

if it never happened?

Why would I ever
say I did something

when I didn't do it?

[♪ ♪]

JoAnn Taylor was one
of the people convicted.


She still says
she can recall vivid details


from the night of the m*rder.

Taylor describes

suffocating Wilson
with a pillow.


Winslow said for years,
he was tormented


by what he had done.

Debra Shelden
still says today


all six took part
in the m*rder.


[♪ ♪]

Well, now
a new documentary-style play


will bring the story
to the stage


in a theater just two blocks
from where the case started.


The script for the play
was put together


using trial transcripts,
public records,


and input
from the actors themselves.


They are turning
a crime case


into a theater show.

[♪ ♪]

Um...

Hmm, I never had to play
anybody I know.

[chuckles]

I even had a coworker,
you know, say, like,

"Oh, why would you want to,
you know, play, like,

a m*rder*r
from your own community?"

And I was like,
"Yeah, like, people have

a lot of feelings around it."

Everybody knows somebody.

Everybody's connected
to something somewhere

and knows
some extra piece of information

that they think
changes the narrative.

[soft music]

I'm excited,
but at the same time,


I am nervous.

I'm not gonna lie,
because it...

Like I said,
this is very embedded

into the community.

You drive by the building
all the time


living here in town,

and I think of Helen
every time I drive by there,


and so in my mind,
I've wondered,

"How did it all take place

the way that it's been
explained to us?"

[♪ ♪]

[dramatic music]

[♪ ♪]

Right before Grandma
was k*lled,


she'd come out to Scotts bluff
to visit.


It was 1985.

I was a 15-year-old.

She didn't feel well.

She had gotten sick
while she was here,

and she just wanted to go home,

and then, of course,
that evening

is when our nightmare started.

[somber music]

[♪ ♪]

And then the next morning,
my mom got a call


from a relative
back in Beatrice.


All we were told was,
she had passed away.


[♪ ♪]

We all just kind of assumed
that it was from the pneumonia

until we were driving
through Lincoln...

[indistinct radio chatter]

And my dad had the radio on,

and we were listening
to the radio.


Beatrice police
are investigating the m*rder


of a Beatrice woman.

The body of 68-year-old
Helen Wilson


was found in her apartment

in the 200 block
of North 6th Street.


[high-pitched ringing]

If I recall correctly,
nobody said a word.


I remember trying to act tough
in front of my brothers,


and we had an afghan
in the back of our car

that my grandma
had made for my parents.

I just remember
hiding under it


so my brothers
couldn't see me crying.


[high-pitched ringing]

Well, to be honest,

not everybody believes
the same story.

[eerie music]

[♪ ♪]

Her apartment was right
on one of the main streets


in Beatrice.

It's a brick building

that still haunts me
to this day.


[♪ ♪]

It was very small.

It was pretty much
a living room


with a dining room off of that

and her bedroom
and her kitchen.


[♪ ♪]

It's hard to talk about
because the pictures


that I have in my head
are of the crime scene now,


and I have
a hard time visualizing


what it was like
when I was there.


[♪ ♪]

[upbeat music playing over TV]

♪ There is a girl I know
in Haiti ♪


The evening in question,
my Aunt Katie


and my Uncle Darrell
spend the evening with her.


Their normal routine was
to have coffee with Grandma.


Even at 10:30 at night,
Grandma would still

be drinking her coffee,
and Katie was the same way.

♪ And when
it's bleak and chilly ♪


♪ And life is flat ♪

♪ I think
of that Haitian dilly ♪


But that night,
Grandma didn't feel good,


and she apologized to Katie
that she didn't make coffee,


and, "I just don't feel...

I think I'm just ready
to go to bed."


[eerie music]

And so Katie
cleaned her kitchen up


and then left to go home.

[♪ ♪]

She needed to take a dose
of medicine at midnight.


Aunt Katie asked my cousin,
"Hey, call Grandma.


You know, wake her up."

And so he called
at roughly 11:45, 11:50.

[phone ringing]

[♪ ♪]

She didn't answer.

The phone just rang
and rang and rang and rang.


[ringing continues]

Then Aunt Katie
decided she would try,

and she called,
and the phone rang twice,

and then it went dead.

[dial tone droning]

But they just assumed
that everything was okay.


Maybe Grandma picked it up
and hung it up.


They didn't really know.

The next morning, my uncle
went to go check on Grandma.


[♪ ♪]

He found her on the floor,

and then they called
the police.


[♪ ♪]

All of a sudden,
my sergeant called,


and he said, "We need you
up here right away."


When I asked the dispatcher,

they said there was something
about a body,

so I grabbed
the photography equipment.

[♪ ♪]

The door was open.

I just kind of walked
into apartment four.


[♪ ♪]

No, it wasn't very big.

I mean, you know, you went

from a little bathroom,
went right out


into a hallway
to a living room.


So I just looked
around the corner.


You know, I saw what appeared
to be a elderly lady


laying in the middle
of the living room


with her head to the west
and her feet back to the east.


[♪ ♪]

It was pretty quick to tell

that the person in there
was deceased,


but I wanted to make sure that
there was nobody else in there.

[♪ ♪]

Was there anybody else
in that bedroom


or in that kitchen?

And...

I walked around
by the bedroom.


[♪ ♪]

The bed was kind of
all ruffled up.


[♪ ♪]

In the bathroom, there was
a washcloth in the sink.


[♪ ♪]

The kitchen was messy.

You want to pay attention
to everything.


Did the perpetrator
leave anything behind


that will link it to them?

It was noted
that there was coffee made.


[♪ ♪]

There was a purse
sitting on a chair.


And just down from the purse
was part of a $5 bill.


[♪ ♪]

Just a portion was there.

Did somebody tear it in half

and part of it dropped down
on the floor?


[♪ ♪]

This picture here
shows a knife


found in that bedroom.

That knife matched the ones
that were in a drawer

in the kitchen.

This photo here
shows blood in the bedroom.


The same way with here.

Looked like there was
a bunch of blood

up in this corner.

All the blankets
are thrown to one side.


There was a struggle,
definitely.


[♪ ♪]

She was laying on her back.
Nightgown was pulled up.


The face was all wrapped,
and the hands were tied.


[♪ ♪]

I can sit there
and tell you about this,


but it's not like seeing
that lady on the floor,

brutally m*rder*d,

and just seeing the pain.

Totally different ball game.

[indistinct chatter]

The other officers
started arriving.


When I was there, watching
who came in, who came out,

two lieutenants came
from the police department.

A sergeant came,
the chief, the captain.

The sheriff came.

The county attorney came.

I think it was...
Richard Smith was attorney.


So then at that point,
Lieutenant Fitzgerald

is gonna be in charge
of the investigation.

When you get a homicide,

you don't have
one thing to do.


You got


and you got to do 'em
all at once,

and you're talking about,

"What do I need to remember?"

What kind of evidence
to look for.

[soft dramatic music]

[♪ ♪]

We looked for pry marks
or forcible entry.


Since the chain on there
is not broken

would indicate
that the chain wasn't locked,

so it was either left off,
or it was taken off

when the door was opened
by somebody on the inside.

That would be the hallway
outside of her apartment.


Lights had been turned off
in the hallway.


There's a furnace room,
and one of the light switches


had been pulled,
which shut the hall lights off.

[knocking]

Soon as I walked
through the crime scene,


I started going apartment
to apartment, interviewing.


Nobody reported
any loud noises


or hearing any screams
or anything.


[♪ ♪]

Well, then we got
to the autopsy.


The face was all wrapped,
and the pathologist


took the bandage
off of the face,

and the nose
was just pressed flat.

I mean, just...
It was on so tight,

it was pressed flat,
and that's when

he made the statement that,
"At this time,

"I would presume that this
probably would have caused

suffocation and would've
caused the death."

[♪ ♪]

On the right hand,
there was numerous cuts


on the hand
and on the top of the hand,


probably defensive cuts
from something

like a sharp object
like a knife.

They noticed that between
the first and second rib

and the fifth and six rib,
they were broke,

and then we were later notified

by the hospital
that they had found

very active semen in both

the vag*na and the rectum,

which they said
would probably indicate

a young person.

[♪ ♪]

[birds chirping]

I mean, the family
was obviously destroyed.

The one person
that brought

that family together
is now gone

and in such a horrific way.

[somber music]

[♪ ♪]

If you talk to any
of my relatives,


they will tell you
she's the glue


that held us all together.

[♪ ♪]

She was a kind woman.

She did everything
for everybody.


[♪ ♪]

My grandmother
loved children.


From the start,
you knew she loved you


because you could
just feel it.


I mean, and she just...
It radiated from her,


and...

[♪ ♪]

It's gone.

[♪ ♪]

I just liked being with her.

When my first daughter
was born,

she came out to Scotts bluff
and spent two weeks with me.

You know, she just taught me
how to be a mother.

[♪ ♪]

She traveled
all over the country.


[♪ ♪]

She documented her whole life
on camera


and on cassette tapes.

[♪ ♪]

She had a lot of years left.
She was healthy.


I'm the same age now
as what she was

when she passed away.

[♪ ♪]

We know
that she fought for her life.


She had battle wounds.

She had skin
underneath her nails.

She fought till she
couldn't fight anymore.

I can't imagine
what was going through her head

when she passed away,

how scared she would've had
to have been.

Nobody should have
to pass away that way.

[light ukulele music playing]

[♪ ♪]

After this happened
to my grandmother,


I knew I wanted to get a hold
of whoever did it,


and it wouldn't
have been pretty

if it happened,

and I've never felt
that way in my life,

and that's another thing
that really bothered me.

I never wanted to hurt anybody,
but after that...

[clears throat]

There's no telling
what I would've done

if I'd found the person.

There was so much anger in me.

The funeral
was incredibly tough

because we still
couldn't believe

what had happened, and...

they wouldn't let us
see Grandma

because she was so mutilated,

and that was so hard
to not be able to say goodbye.

The funeral was on the 9th.

Lieutenant Fitzgerald and I
sat there,

and we took pictures.

[dramatic percussive music]

We got it so they had
to come out the east door.


[♪ ♪]

We're sitting in a parking lot
right across the street,


nice big lens on the camera.

We could bring 'em up
very close.

[♪ ♪]

Maybe if someone
would come out


and had their arm in a sling
or scratches on their faces


and people we didn't know,
we took pictures.

[♪ ♪]

A lot of times,
subjects that commit crimes


would come to the funeral
to see what the reaction is


of the people
that knew the deceased


and the family and that.

Unfortunately,
nothing came of that.


[♪ ♪]

We put a voice-activated
tape recorder


under some flowers
on the cemetery grave


in case somebody showed up
wanting to confess,


but that didn't
work out neither.


We only knew we had
a male involved in it.

[soft dramatic music]

[♪ ♪]

This was before DNA,
so some of the things


you look at
is the blood samples


that show
what their blood type was.


The state lab determined
that blood samples


from the wall

proved not to be
Helen Wilson's blood type.

It had to come from a suspect.

The suspect
was a type B non secret or.


[♪ ♪]

Well, I don't know.
I'm not a serologist.

I just know that you have
secret or and a non secret or.

That's all I know.

Next up was every male
that we talked to,

we tried to get a blood type

to see if they were
type B non secret or.

[dramatic music]

Received information
from an informant


that a subject
that should be checked out


by the name of Tony Flowers
had been


in the state penitentiary
for burglary and r*pe,


but Mr. Flowers
is not a type B non secret or.


Kathy Bartak
stated that Randy Emery


liked older women.

He was eliminated.

Made contact with the operator
of the Beatrice Book Store.

Didn't reference
any individuals coming in


and buying books on bondage.

He advised
he could remember nobody

that fit the description.

[♪ ♪]

You go from one person

to another
to another to another.


There was a lot of times
it felt like


I was spinning wheels...

[chuckles]
Getting nowhere,

and a lot of times,
we were getting nowhere.

I would guess
I probably myself interviewed


40 to 50 people.

Now, there were other people
that did interviews too.


[♪ ♪]

You feel like
it's an endless circle


because you just keep going
and going and going.


Six minutes after 10:00,

our temperature:


KWBE, I'm Doug Kennedy.

[♪ ♪]

You know, when you live
in a town of 12,000, 12,500,

you don't see
a lot of violent crime.

[♪ ♪]

You may go a year
or two or three


without seeing a death

that was a result
of a criminal act.


[♪ ♪]

Anytime there is one,

it's a bit of a shock
to the community.

[♪ ♪]

Just having a m*rder
is awful enough.

Not having it solved
is terrible.

Is there someone
that's going around

just k*lling people,
and how safe are any of us?

[♪ ♪]

When a small town gets hit
with something like that,


it's just...

Everybody's scared, I think.

I remember we started
locking our doors

and next that the shotguns
were loaded at nights

kind of thing.

[♪ ♪]

You know, when something
like that happens,


the rumor mill gets started,
and then all kinds

of information
is floating out there.

[♪ ♪]

Some people had already
made up their mind


who had done it,
why they had done it.


If people had knowledge,
I mean, they asked for it.

If you know what went on,
if you know something,

you suspect something,
please come talk to us.

Don't just blab it out.
Come talk to us.

Let us work with it.

Let the investigators
do their job.


[♪ ♪]

[♪ ♪]

I would put
the Helen Wilson case


as the most significant case

that I worked on in my life.

[♪ ♪]

Of course, at that time,

I wasn't on
the police department,


nor was I a law officer.

I was just doing
my general work


around my farmstead.

[♪ ♪]

7:05 on KWBE.

I had come into a house.

It was around lunchtime,

and I listened to the news.

Beatrice police
are investigating the m*rder


of a Beatrice woman.

The body of 68-year-old
Helen Wilson


was found in her apartment.

I kind of knew the family,
and, quite frankly,

it bothered me.

It made me
want to try to figure out

how I might be able
to do anything

that I could to help 'em.

[♪ ♪]

Well before anything
about the Helen Wilson case,


I had a great tenure with
the Beatrice Police Department.

[♪ ♪]

I started in '76,
when I was approximately 28.


[♪ ♪]

And I left in late 1982.

[♪ ♪]

I just got a little burned out
being a police officer.


[♪ ♪]

He was very dedicated
in his work,

kind of like a pit bull
when you got... you know,

he got on something,
he stuck with it.

If he thought he was right,

God help you, 'cause nobody
else is gonna be able to.

If there's something out there
and he thinks he can solve it,

he's going after it.

[♪ ♪]

We had
a dry-cleaning business,


and Burt Searcey
came into the cleaner's.


I think it was just me,
my dad, and my mom.

Burt Searcey came
and talked to my folks

and wanted to do
a private investigation.

[♪ ♪]

They were still in shock,

so I offered to help them.

He asked if it was all right
to look into it.


Of course, anything to help
find who did this.

[♪ ♪]

Obviously, we still
didn't have any answers.


We felt like
the Beatrice Police Department

had no clue what happened.

Being a small department,
we had no idea


what type of person
could've or would've


committed that type of crime.

The longer you work on it,
the more frustrated you get.

You go from one person

to another
to another to another,


and you don't appear
to be getting anywhere.


So it was frustrating.

Eventually, we reached out
to the FBI in Omaha

to see about getting
a profiler.

I got a phone call from
my special agent in charge


one day, and, you know,
he said, "Pete,


I need you to go
to Beatrice, Nebraska."

And I guess I said,

"I don't even know
where that is, John."

[♪ ♪]

Part of my job
was a criminal profiler,


which is now called

criminal
investigative analysis.


[♪ ♪]

What I need to do is to look
for different behavioral clues


and then tell you
what type of a person

that we may be looking for.

[♪ ♪]

The weather that night
was frigid,


seven degrees below zero.

It's not the type of weather
where you want to be out


walking the dog
or just taking a stroll.


[eerie music]

He had a specific idea in mind
to be there.


[♪ ♪]

Here's another thing
that's important.


You look at that,
and you think, "Oh, how nice.

She made a pot of coffee
for herself at some point."

No.

[♪ ♪]

After committing this crime,

he made a pot of coffee
for himself.


[♪ ♪]

What does that mean?

[♪ ♪]

He was comfortable
inside the place.


It wasn't just some guy
driving through town


maybe seeing
the apartment building


at that time of night
and thinking,


"Oh, there's an older lady
up there

"that I think I'll go in
and sexually as*ault her

and beat her up."

Likelihood of that
is close to zero.

[♪ ♪]

This one's important.

She had an afghan
wrapped around her face.


It could have been something
that we call undoing.

The possibility exists
that he knew her,

and so it's kind of like
he insulates himself

from the victim who knew him.

[♪ ♪]

And so I gave the profile
to the chief


and investigators
and told them...


[♪ ♪]

The suspect
will be a white male


in his late teens
or early 20s.


Dependent on a mother figure
and has been dominated by her


throughout his life.

It's possible
he knew Mrs. Wilson.


He may have been interviewed
early in the investigation.


He was motivated by r*pe.

It is likely that he
will have a past record


of sexual as*ault

and may also have spent
some time


in a detention facility.

I said, "Please don't share
this information


with the public,"

and the next morning
in the newspaper

was all of the information
I had given them.

[soft dramatic music]

[♪ ♪]

We reviewed the report,
and it did open our eyes

a little bit
as to what type of person

we might be looking for.

[♪ ♪]

[hard rock music]

Every town has a bar
that deals with a lower sector


of life in town,
and that was R&S Bar.


[♪ ♪]

These were some
of the type of people


that it'd be nice
to get information from.


[♪ ♪]

We made contact
with a Michael Hyatt,


who advised that he
was at the R&S Bar


with Bruce Allen Smith

the night before
the Helen Wilson homicide.


[indistinct chatter]

With Michael
was Cherie Bohlmeyer


and her roommate,
and they drank together,


and Smith became intoxicated.

They then went
to the girl's trailer


in Blue Springs.

They were there
until finally, the girls


kicked Smith out
at approximately 3:45


in the morning.

Bruce Allen Smith
made the statement to Mike


that he was gonna get a piece
of a*s one way or another.


Mike then brought Smith back
to Beatrice


and dropped Smith off
at 6th and Court,


just a block and a half
or two blocks south


of Helen Wilson's apartment.

Mike last saw him
walking north.


He'd been in jail.

He was living in Oklahoma,

but he used to live
in Beatrice


and had... I believe
his relatives lived


in the apartment complex

where Helen Wilson resided
at one time years before,


which would have made him
familiar with the building.


Your heart skips a beat,
and you think,

"Okay, we're going
in the right direction."

[pensive music]

[♪ ♪]

We were gonna go down
and get a hold of him

and make him the prime suspect.

[♪ ♪]

We contacted an investigator

from Oklahoma City
Police Department.


He had already had some
information on Bruce Allen,


and we went to two or three
different locations.


We staked him out
for numerous hours.


[♪ ♪]

The Oklahoma City investigator
found Bruce Allen Smith


and then received
a blood sample.


Oklahoma police lab
had serologists there


run the blood work,

looking
for a type B non secret or,


and she came back and said
that it was a type B secret or.

[♪ ♪]

It's always a disappointment
when you think

you got a good lead
and might have something

and find out you don't.

We'd really had
very little information

on anything at that time.

You ready?
Grant Bennett, take one.


[clapboard snaps]

Got it.

I'm Grant Bennett,

and I am reading the part
of Burt Searcey.

I'm Mason Gustafson,
reading Burt Searcey.

I knew the Wilson family.

I told them I could help
with their mother's m*rder

as a private investigator,

so I started asking around.

There'd been
attempted assaults

on elderly women in '83,

all within blocks
of the Helen Wilson homicide.

Sure.

There'd been attempted assaults
on elderly women in '83,

all within blocks
of the Helen Wilson homicide.

In December of '84,
a lady reported

that a young male
tried to kick in her door.

Joe White
was arrested in the area,

and my confidential informants
advised me

that he was
basically unemployed.

Joe White had always
been on my radar for years.

Ran the streets,
indulged in drugs,

large amounts of alcohol,

associated
with a lot of riffraff:

Thomas Winslow, JoAnn Taylor.

I kept asking
about this crew.

One of my sources
was Lisa Podendorf,

a 17-year-old.

She hung out with the partiers
at the R&S Bar,

a local biker bar.

Ugh, I wouldn't even
go into that place

if I wasn't in uniform.

One of my sources
was Lisa Podendorf,

a 17-year-old,
and hung out with the partners

at the R&S Bar,
a local biker bar.

I wouldn't even go
into that place

unless I was in uniform.

I met Lisa
at her parents' house.

[♪ ♪]

What do I think of this?

Uh...

somewhat kind of truthful.

What are you
gonna do with this?

Oh, I see.
[laughs]

Well, ah, boy,
you guys are gonna have

a hell of a time
filling my spot.

- Well, I'm thinking.
- Okay.

I'm thinking.

Sometimes I have to think.

[exhales heavily]

[engine turning over]

[♪ ♪]

When anything happens,
somebody knows something,


and you have to find
that somebody.

[♪ ♪]

It may take you
around a lot of curves


and down a lot of miles,
but I don't think


you can solve any case
unless you talk to people,


and if you're really good
at what you're doing,

there's a breaking point
for everyone

where you gain their trust.

[♪ ♪]

I made contact
with some people


here in Beatrice

that always knew something
about everything.


[knocking]

[♪ ♪]

I was given a name,
Lisa Podendorf,

and I was told,
"I think she knows something


about the homicide."

[♪ ♪]

I went to where she lived,
and I knocked on the door.


[♪ ♪]

She was a little hesitant,
but it's amazing,


you gain their trust,
what they might tell you.

Lisa tells me, the night
of the Helen Wilson homicide,


Lisa and her boyfriend
or husband at the time,


they were driving
down the street,


and she'd seen a car
pulling into the driveway


of Helen Wilson's apartment.

Lisa Podendorf
knew these people.


She identified Tom Winslow,

Joseph White,

and JoAnn Taylor.

[soft dramatic music]

There's a point with everyone
where they might tell you

something that they
really don't want to tell you,

and I could feel that.

[indistinct
police radio chatter]


[♪ ♪]

She was talking
with JoAnn Taylor


the following morning.

She noticed
all these police cars


that were across the street,
and she went,


"What's all the cop cars
over there?"

And JoAnn said,
"You haven't heard?


"A lady was m*rder*d
over there,


and I and Lobo,
Joseph White, did it."


[♪ ♪]

Lisa looked at her like,
"This can't be right.

This can't be true."

"You're telling me
you and Joseph White

k*lled that lady?"

JoAnn says,
"Hey, look, we did it."


And so JoAnn
proceeded to tell her.


[♪ ♪]

The lady was hands bound.

She was laying
in the living room.


There's a stool
turned upside down


beside her body,

and she was suffocated.

[♪ ♪]

I thought, "Man,

this is unreal."

[♪ ♪]

And so Lisa
didn't know what to do.


She was afraid
of JoAnn Taylor,


and I understood that
because I knew JoAnn Taylor.

[♪ ♪]

She was on the street a lot,

was known to steal,

a person that would do drugs,

and I knew
that if she threatened you,

it may very well happen.

And so Lisa
didn't tell the police.


I had no reason but to believe

that she was telling me
the truth.

[engine turning over]

So I started digging in,
researching.


I had done a little digging
on Joseph White,


and I found
that he had been arrested,


I think around '84.

He attempted
to kick a lady's door in


and break into her house.

[♪ ♪]

Unfortunately,
I learned Joseph White


and JoAnn Taylor left Beatrice
within a few weeks


after the homicide.

[♪ ♪]

But I was able
to find Tom Winslow


here in Beatrice.

[knocking]

And I said,
"Tom, your name was mentioned


"as being seen in the area
and driving your car

when the lady was m*rder*d."

And he's like, "It wasn't me.
I was working."

And I said,
"Oh, where do you work at?"

"Well, I work
at Marshall's Truck Stop."

[♪ ♪]

I attempted to find out
who would know


Tom Winslow
at Marshall's Truck Stop,


and I interview the supervisor

as to if Tom Winslow
was working the night


of February 5th, and she said,
"No, he called in sick,


and he never did show up
to work."


[exciting music]

Big red flag went up
that Tom Winslow,


for whatever reason,
was not telling me the truth.

[♪ ♪]

At that point,
I thought I needed

to go
to the police department.

[♪ ♪]

He came down
and talked to me


and told me he was looking
into another officer


from the department

that had interviewed
these people earlier

and felt they weren't guilty.

And he says,
"I know that's not true."

And he didn't do anything
with it.

That's where it died.

[soft dramatic music]

I was told that,
"Eh, they weren't involved.

Don't worry about it."

[♪ ♪]

I felt like...

[♪ ♪]

My information
fell on deaf ears.

It basically went cold.

[♪ ♪]

[line trilling]

During that time period,
the police department


did contact a psychic
out of Colorado


to see if she had any ideas.

Beatrice Police
have said Monday afternoon


that hypnosis has been used
on a possible witness.


Dr. Price
is a local psychologist


who's conducting
the hypnosis sessions.


After a period of time

when we'd run out of informants
or information,

it does slowly...

go to the back burner, I guess.

[♪ ♪]

After six, eight months
and they don't have anything

and, you know,
then a year goes by

and then two years go by,

that's incredibly hard.

[♪ ♪]

You'd always hope
somebody would be caught

that had done this, you know,
but you just don't know.

[♪ ♪]

I mean, there was no answers.

[♪ ♪]

And people would
ask you questions, and...

[♪ ♪]

"Well, have you heard anything?
What's going on?"

I said, "Read the paper.
You know as much as I do."

[♪ ♪]

All I would do is sit and cry.

[♪ ♪]

I think everybody
was coming to grips


with the fact
that we're not ever gonna know


what happened to Grandma.

[♪ ♪]

At a certain point in time,
Burt was the only one


that would help us out.

Everybody else,
it was a cold case


that was gonna stay
a cold case.


Many years go by.

I had what I thought
might be a good case

with the Helen Wilson m*rder,
but...

unfortunately,
a private detective


has really no authority.

You're not in a uniform,

you don't have a badge,
and it's pretty hard.

Pretty hard.

I wanted to try to get back
into law enforcement.


Having worked
on the police department,


the sheriff knew me well,
and I got hired.

Went to work for the Gage
County Sheriff's Department.


[♪ ♪]

And so I went
into the sheriff's office,


and I said,
"This is what was told to me.


JoAnn Taylor basically
confessed to Lisa Podendorf."

And he said,
"What the hell you waiting on?

Get it done."

[dramatic percussive music]

[♪ ♪]

And so I went, and I
brought in Lisa Podendorf.


[♪ ♪]

You know, if you tell a lie,

you can't remember
what you said.

If it's a truthful,
factual thing

that you're telling me,
you'll never forget it.

Lisa told me the same story
she'd told me in 1985.

She also
give me information...

She noticed JoAnn

had two or three
scratch marks, maybe four,


that she noticed
on the side of her neck

and cheek area.

Anybody with common sense,
I think,

has to say, "Wow.

Why didn't this thing
get looked at harder?"

At that point,
JoAnn Taylor is a suspect.


Joseph White is a suspect.

Tom Winslow is a suspect.

[typewriter clacking]

And so as I further
the investigation,


I realize
I think I can solve this.


[♪ ♪]

I'm gonna go after
what I need to go after,

and I will get it done.

[♪ ♪]

The audition take one.
A/B common mark.

What interests me
about Burt Searcey...

I believe he's the one
that sparked things

to then have other people say,

"Okay, maybe you're
onto something here."

I think he really did want
to, you know, solve the crime,

but I think

it didn't go the way
he was wanting it to.

I mean, it's a small town,
and, you know,

a heinous m*rder has been...

Hasn't anything happened on it
for four years.

Like, you know, you've got
to feed 'em up somebody.

I can see
what would lead someone

to keep digging
and believe something

because he could be held up
as a hero.

I don't know that there are

any heroes or villains anymore.

The truth is
that this story is a tragedy

from every angle.

[soft music]

[♪ ♪]

Debra K. Shelden.

Where did you grow up?

Beatrice, Nebraska.

[eerie music]

[♪ ♪]

I didn't really want
to come here and tell my side

because bringing up
all this stuff, it...

I have nightmares.

[♪ ♪]

I knew JoAnn Taylor,
Tom Winslow,


and Joseph White.

They took me over

to the apartment.

[♪ ♪]

I'm the one that they put
in front of the door to knock.


[knocking]

[♪ ♪]

I asked Tom Winslow
why we were here,

and he said
he had to see someone.

[♪ ♪]

I've had people come up
and say,


"Huh, no way."

They just don't believe it.

They think,
"Nah, you're too nice."

They didn't think
I could do m*rder.

[bright tone]