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01x03 - Gates of Hell

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Pray, Obey, k*ll". Aired: April 12 – May 10, 2021.*
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The series follows Anton Berg and Martin Johnson, who conduct an investigation into the Knutby m*rder in January 2004, which took place in a Pentecostal congregation cult, when the wife of a pastor is m*rder*d, and a neighbor across the street is injured.

01x03 - Gates of Hell

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I came in contact with a woman there

and we got talking.

She was speaking about God and Jesus.

Suddenly, she says,

"This never would have happened

if the Bride of Christ was here."

So I said,

"Really? Where is she, then?"

And she answers,

"The Bride of Christ is in London."

"But what would she do

if she was here in Knutby?"

She says, "She lives over there." And

she points to a house further down.

We're rolling. Yes.

- We're in London right now.

- I'm zooming in.

In Kingsway Hall, on Queen Street.

We're at the hotel.

Peter Gembäck phones and says

that Alexandra has been shot

and Daniel has been shot.

So now anything could happen.

Is there someone here in London

that might sh**t Åsa?

I remember that day, I was

I was paranoid.

I was absolutely terrified

of everything.

I suspected that everything

was some kind of plot

or that there might be someone

that would sh**t Åsa,

or something like that.

I told myself I needed to say calm.

I needed to think rationally.

We believed that Åsa would die.

But Alexandra? It was the wrong sister.

It's not

The whole thing is so twisted.

Åsa was going to be with Jesus.

That was our top priority.

- Emergency 112. How may I help you?

- I don't know.

I just came in.

There's blood everywhere.

In Knutby.

Shock and despair spread

throughout the little town of Knutby.

The m*rder of a young woman and

the attempted m*rder of her neighbor

is in stark contrast

to this quiet, peaceful community.

It's one of the most bizarre criminal

cases in Sweden in modern time.

A web of religion,

sex and cruel, callous m*rder

unprecedented in the judicial history

of Sweden.

Who is the driving force

behind all of this?

It's an important piece of evidence

that has been manipulated.

It plants seeds of doubt

among the public.

Is this what actually happened?

This is a difficult time,

but we believe in God.

We're here for one another.

We're not giving up.

PRAY OBEY k*ll

EPISODE THREE

GATES OF HELL

The m*rder trial of the pastor

and the nanny began this morning.

The nanny confessed to the m*rder

of the pastor's wife.

Together with strong

forensic evidence,

prosecutors have decided to charge her

with m*rder and attempted m*rder.

Prosecutors say the pastor

incited her to m*rder

and are therefore charging him

with instigating m*rder in both cases.

- What sentence will you demand?

- A life sentence.

The fact is,

this case is about m*rder.

It concerns the defendants,

Sara Svensson and Helge Fossmo.

Whether or not

the congregation in Knutby

is a hierarchical sect

that brainwashes its members,

or if Åsa Waldau believes

she's the Bride of Christ

are issues that I think have little

to do with the crimes committed.

The police and prosecutor know

that Åsa Waldau is known

as the Bride of Christ.

It is not known exactly

how much power she has.

But she is a central figure.

Leif Spånbo knows this.

He wants to interview her,

but isn't given the opportunity.

- I didn't realize that.

- Neither did I.

A high-ranking policeman

in this investigation,

at the top level, that they're at odds

as to how this investigation

should be conducted.

Did you take any other action

as regards the Bride of Christ?

No, she was interviewed once more.

We wanted to know

who drove them to Arlanda Airport

on January 8

when they were flying to London.

Even though you knew

that this might be a sect

you let the matter rest?

Åsa's telephone wasn't tapped

No, she was not suspected

of any crime.

God comes to us through our salvation

and when we're free from sin,

but God can't give us everything

that He wants to give us

unless we give ourselves to the Lord.

Cleanse

I'll read from the Book of Isaiah 58.

When did the Knutby story begin,

as you see it?

It starts when Kim Wincent

and Per-Arne Waldau

travel to Uppsala

and bring Åsa Waldau to Knutby.

Why do you think it starts there?

Because prior to that it was just

an ordinary Pentecostal congregation.

But after that it began to change

and became something else,

that is the Knutby sect

that we know today.

Rigmor Robért,

you meet a lot of people

with connections

to the Knutby congregation.

How did you come in contact

with these people?

I wrote an article that was published

on Holy Thursday, 2004,

a few months after the m*rder

and attempted m*rder.

After that article was published,

relatives contacted me.

The staff at the Knutby school

and former members contacted me

and they all said the same thing.

"What you're saying is something

that we recognize from inside."

I had understood something

about Åsa Waldau

as regards her personality.

This dream of marrying Jesus

and the position of importance

it gave her in the congregation.

She outwardly denied things

that members

of the congregation had to cover up

so they became part

of these double standards.

This went on right up to 2016

when the congregation was dissolved.

First of all, I believe

that God speaks through me

in order to help others.

It's not like I'm saying,

"God is speaking."

If a person is in need,

I think that God very often speaks

and that can be

I very seldom use the phrase,

"So says the Lord"

but I know when God wants

to say something to a person.

He wants to say, "You need this."

Or "This is the path,"

or what's right and wrong.

If I speak God's words,

I'm not expecting,

"Oh, how great you are!

You speak God's words."

I'm just happy to receive a message

from God, that I understand God.

She was a colorful character.

Her teachings were challenging

in a way I hadn't experienced before.

She gave the impression that

she knew what she was talking about.

There was never any doubt

in what she had to say.

A person who reaches the point,

"I do not need to be corrected,"

is actually at a point

where they need to be corrected.

It was really inspiring,

that God was so close every day.

It wasn't just on Sundays,

He was there every day, all the time.

And everyone wanted to live

as purely and holy as possible.

I do not demand

that anyone does what I say,

but I expect them to,

and sure, it's tough.

If you say that you believe,

then I expect you to be true to that.

She talks a lot about

what she calls purity.

What's wrong, what's right

and how to live our lives.

That was very much her hallmark.

If you see something in yourself

that's wrong,

then you should deal with it or

things like that.

I believe that love is to say,

"That's not the way to live your life."

I do not demand

that anyone should change.

But if I see that someone is taking

the wrong path for some reason,

then I don't mince my words

and I'm not afraid to do that.

When I look back,

there's one thing that I realize today.

It was a warning signal back then.

I remember when we were standing

in the chapel kitchen.

She looked me straight in the eye

and said,

"If you move here it will be for life."

I didn't take it seriously

at the time,

but I thought about it afterwards.

She told me then.

And she meant it.

"In the depth of my being, my love

for you was born, beautiful and pure.

You look at me and I surrender.

When I close my eyes you are there.

A queen's glory. Beautiful all through.

Created to be by my side always."

Has she written this down as if

Jesus said these words to her?

Yes, but it's a prophecy.

This is what awaits her.

Åsa says that Jesus

has started calling her Tirsa.

It says here, "Tirsa, you are

the loveliest in creation."

"Do not fear.

I have everything in my hand."

"Would I let you go? Never."

Then this goes on into something

of a more sexual nature.

Then Åsa starts describing

what Jesus will do with her

when they meet, that is.

"I long to touch you

and satisfy your desires.

I want to make love to you,

give you the love you deserve."

I want to caress you gently.

You will reach a much

higher level of pleasure.

It is, in truth,

a splendorous cascade."

- This term, Bride of Christ.

- Yes Sorry.

Well, you may laugh,

but there are many who say

that you are the one that coined

that phrase concerning Åsa.

No, however I'm the one

who was responsible for teaching

that the congregation

is not the Bride of Jesus.

This is what is very

Was it the spring of '99?

Helge asks us to come by.

He wanted to share something

that God had revealed to him.

Before we even got there,

we had this feeling,

"We're going to experience

something special. What can it be?"

So he started by telling us

that everyone is loved by God.

God loves every individual, 100%.

But God has favorites.

There are people

that he loves more than others.

And after he held

this 45-60 minute briefing,

he explained

that God had revealed to him

that Åsa was elected

for something special.

We didn't know what.

We just know that this was so.

And then we were sent home,

more or less

to pray for this, to ask God

and wait and see.

And we will find out

what is true and what is false.

My only prayer

is that in this message

we have received

it will become visible to us

who God is.

And then I'll be happy when I see

how we stand before Him.

And love him.

There are interpretations

in the Bible

that suggest that

the Bride is a human being.

That she existed,

that she would come and so on.

Not all traditional Christianity

says that it's a congregation.

And the Bible

definitely doesn't say that.

I think it started when I felt

that I would like to buy a ring

that would serve as a sign for myself

that I promised to be faithful to God.

I remember that I said

it would be like an engagement.

I hope that I'm not terribly wrong

when I say

that I think

I actually bought that ring.

That was when I, before God,

have this moment of

a confirmation of what I believed.

The ring represents a covenant

with God and Helge is with me.

It's, "Holy cow, the congregation

is the Bride of Christ".

The accepted norm within

the Pentecostal movement

is that the congregation

is the Bride of Christ.

And that's not strange,

because Paul says,

"I have betrothed you

as a virgin with Christ."

So what Paul says is,

the congregation is a bride.

But Helge gets stuck into Psalm 45.

And Psalm 45 has a huge impact

on the whole Knutby situation.

It doesn't say congregation in

the Bible. That's an interpretation.

And then it's described as a wedding

between what is very clearly Jesus

and a bride.

I've had one theory

and it's the classical one

that the congregation is the bride,

but we discovered

that this was not the case.

She gave Helge Fossmo the task

of finding out everything

about the bride.

And Helge Fossmo

was very compliant.

They were very close at that time.

He understood what she wanted

and he had this trait

in their relationship,

he wanted to make her happy.

"Yes, maybe that's it!"

This amazement.

So they had this very

special and strange

and actually unhappy,

closeness to each other.

The truth is,

we are not the Bride of Jesus.

Jesus is not going to marry

millions of men and women.

We are wedding guests at a wedding.

Well, maybe Jesus is going to marry.

Maybe there is a queen.

Maybe there is a physical person.

And as far as we know

this is what he said to Åsa.

"If the bride is a human being

then it must be you."

I don't think Åsa Waldau would

have ended up where she is

if she didn't have Helge Fossmo

by her side.

And I don't think that Helge Fossmo

would have ended up where he is

if he hadn't met Åsa Waldau.

They were like pouring petrol on a fire

for each other, I think.

UPPSALA DISTRICT COUR

Take it easy.

The court was shown

a crime reconstruction video

of how the nanny

shot her victims in Knutby.

This caused the nanny to break down

and leave the courtroom in tears.

I go inside and close

the door carefully,

but leave it open just a little bit.

I don't close the door fully.

And in my pocket I've got

I have four extra b*ll*ts.

I've also got my asthma inhaler

and a torch.

I have my mobile phone. I have

my galoshes that I left outside

and I've got extra gloves.

I hold the revolver in my left hand.

My right hand is free.

When I come into the utility room,

I listen to see if it's quiet.

And then I walk slowly

towards the utility room door

that was closed.

I open it slowly and quietly.

Everyone likes Sara.

She's a really charming, funny,

intelligent and forward girl.

And she's very How do I put it?

She's very eager to please.

She's always willing to help

and she's very caring.

It must have been

around 2000, 2001,

Sara is given a more prominent role.

Not in the congregation,

I wouldn't say that,

but in relation to Åsa

and Helge especially.

She becomes a person

that somehow

I won't say she swallows it,

but she takes this Bride

of Christ idea very seriously

and takes a strong position

on it in relation to Åsa.

Which means that she's given a role

that places her close

to Åsa and Helge.

Helge has

Ever since I moved there,

he has been very spiritual,

if I can put it that way.

Spectacular things happen around him.

And he took on this role

like a warrior in battle.

A battle for

If Åsa really is the Bride of Christ,

if there are people for this

there will be forces against it.

If this is what perfects creation

that Jesus gets his woman,

then the Devil's spiritual power

will get in the way of her

reaching her destination.

And Sara joined him in that quest.

This is all positive at first,

but slowly and surely

You get the feeling

that Sara overtakes Åsa

at one stage.

Åsa is very happy

that Sara and Helge pray

and embark on a spiritual quest

for Åsa.

But soon it's not about Åsa anymore.

Helge is saying it's about

something more important.

Åsa becomes jealous.

If there's one thing you should avoid,

it's making Åsa jealous.

If she gets jealous

the gates of hell open.

All of a sudden

Sara became wrong.

Åsa says that she is wrong.

She has become a temptress.

She's no longer the person

she used to be.

Åsa created a theology on this.

Prior to this, Sara had been

a support for Helge.

But now Sara was a temptation

that Helge would have to overcome.

Sara fell into disfavor with Åsa.

Falling into disfavor with Åsa means

everyone else turns against you too.

Everyone else did the same.

We turned our backs on Sara.

She was with Helge.

He was good for her.

He took care of her

and anyway, she was wrong.

So we were active in creating

this void that she ended up in,

together with Helge.

That's when I think

she really fell apart

and everyone was against her.

GOD I BEG FOR MERCY!

MERCY!

Regarding the Bride

we're waiting for the return of Jesus.

We believe that the world

will end one day.

I wish that I could say otherwise,

but I believe that.

I wish that everyone would believe

that too. That's all that I long for.

We're living in the last time.

Our time here is soon over.

Jesus will return.

If you have lost your way, if you're

on the wrong side of the person,

who's entering a union with Him,

you're pretty much finished.

This means that you are lost

when your time here is over.

You don't have much time left

to change.

What happens if it's too late?

You've completely missed the point.

You'll end up in hell.

I mean it when I say that it was

a matter of life and death.

You want to go to heaven.

That was the whole objective.

Åsa Waldau didn't say in court

that she was the Bride of Christ.

Neither did she say what her role was.

The police and prosecutor

don't seem interested.

They say it has nothing to do with it.

But on the other hand,

it's not surprising,

because this is

all pretty complicated,

but it's possible to grasp

at the trial.

Helge Fossmo conspired

to m*rder his wife

and his mistress's husband.

He got Sara Svensson to sh**t them.

Åsa Waldau's sister Alexandra

is found m*rder*d.

And she's actually in London.

As for the police and prosecutor,

she's a victim with an alibi.

Absolutely,

but even if she was in London,

she's always here.

The leader of the congregation.

Bride of Christ.

She's the most important person

on earth for all of these people.

Every waking second,

every breath they take, is for her.

She permeates everything.

Åsa Waldau's power relationship

over Sara Svensson

hasn't been investigated.

And Åsa is still Sara's leader.

- But this power relationship?

- That has been investigated.

They came a long way with that.

Text messages, interviews,

phone calls.

There are police interviews

with these people

where they touch upon

the Bride of Christ,

but where all but one person is lying.

They all say, "We don't believe

in any Bride of Christ."

- So it's difficult, obviously.

- The question is, would they talk?

No, but there is one person

that they have gotten through to.

That is Sara.

She talked about Helge, her pastor.

It's a pity they didn't focus more

on Sara's relationship with Åsa

and ask more questions about that.

It was like reading

from a horror novel

when the nanny

gave her crucial testimony.

The pastor followed the proceedings

from another room,

as his presence might interfere

with the nanny's testimony.

Tell the court about

what happened in Vaggeryd.

Okay.

While I was in Vaggeryd, I received

an anonymous text message.

This is what the message said,

"It could have been over in 12 hours,

but it's still not too late for you.

Before the 25th,

you can still set him and her free.

A high price, yes. You can do it."

For the protocol, Your Honor,

can you say what she's reading from?

She's still reading

from her own notes.

He wasn't allowed in the courtroom

when Sara gave

her extremely long testimony,

which she had written down

in great detail, like a long story.

She felt that his presence

would affect her.

What amazed me was the number

of details in her testimony.

She had written down

the minutest details,

to even the sound of snow

under her shoe.

This may sound like I was very naive

and perhaps I was,

but I have to say that Helge

He really played the part.

He explained to me

that this was the path I had to take.

I had to k*ll Alexandra.

I had to carry this out.

I believed him. I trusted Helge.

And you see,

if you've lived so close to someone

and all you've seen is love,

you've only heard good words

And I asked him, "Did you send

those text messages to me?"

And Helge became angry,

"How could you accuse me?"

So I trusted him.

PSYCHIATRIC REPOR

While she's under interrogation,

prior to the trial,

Sara is also undergoing

a forensic psychiatric evaluation.

She is deemed mentally ill eventually,

isn't that right?

The 26-year-old woman has undergone

a minor forensic

psychiatric evaluation.

She was suffering

from a serious mental condition

at the time of the crimes.

"You get the impression

she's willing to please.

She's easy to control. She doesn't seem

to have an inner self, an identity."

This is interesting too.

"It seems that Sara Svensson's

obvious ability to please others

works too

in the interrogation situation.

And the normality we see is a mirror

image of the environment she's in."

This is interesting

because it means it's not specific

to Sara and the Knutby environment.

- Then she sees the psychologists.

- Yes.

- She tells them what they want to hear.

- Yes.

This is going on while

she is under interrogation.

She's in a different environment

for a period of three or four months.

Yes.

You wonder, does she behave

the same way there?

Is she giving the police the answers

that she thinks they want to hear?

I've read the three police interviews.

The police say at one point,

"Did you call him?"

They want to find who did what.

She says, "I don't remember exactly,

but I say I can't do it and I turn back.

I remember that I call him

and tell him that."

"Not according to our phone records."

"Okay."

"Mm, are you sure

you remember correctly?"

"No, I'm guessing.

But if it was explained to me,

then maybe I'd remember correctly.

I can't really say."

"According to our phone records,

Helge called you."

"Mm, okay.

Well, then that's how it was."

It's quite unsettling

when you read it like that.

Can one be delusional

and still speak the truth?

Yes, I'm convinced that one can.

In my opinion,

her testimony is credible.

We've been able to verify quite a lot.

Interrogating officers

were at first surprised

that she could commit m*rder.

She's kind-hearted,

nice, gentle, warm.

And somehow

she has done something that

She committed a crime

that she has confessed to.

I think a lot of people

find this hard to believe.

There isn't a lot of time left

Sara was both under interrogation

and undergoing a psychiatric evaluation

at the same time.

Did that influence

your view of her at all?

No.

Some of the interviews were conducted

in conjunction with the evaluation.

Okay. Yes, that's

Yes, that's possible.

Could one have influenced

the other,

the psychiatric evaluation conducted

at the same time as the interrogation?

Isn't there a risk that they might

infect each other or get mixed up?

We don't know what

the forensic psychiatrists are doing.

They conduct their interviews

with her and we conduct ours.

We do our own thing.

Anton, you read from one of the three

interviews was in dialogue form,

but all the other interviews,

all 18, are summaries.

It's like the police have given their

own interpretation of what went on.

And I've found an example

from interview number 13.

It went on from 11:00 a.m.

until 16:30 p.m.

- Five and a half hours.

- Summarized in four pages.

We must remember that one hour

of interview equals about ten pages.

So this should be

roughly 55 pages long.

- Yes, and we've got four?

- We've got four.

That's what I call a summary.

We'll never know what went on

during those five and a half hours.

Well, Sara

this revolver that you got to hold

before the crime scene reconstruction,

how does it feel

compared to the other one?

It feels heavier.

And bigger.

And then I receive

the next text message,

"You need to make your decision.

Don't think about if.

Find a safe solution.

You are proving your love

when you set him free. He needs that.

He has almost reached his limit."

Solution.

I have to find a safe solution.

I have to find a solution

that I can handle.

I didn't know how much

I could handle.

I'm small. I'm frail.

How am I supposed to find a solution

to bring Alexandra home?

And then Helge says, in passing,

"Well, you call sell your shares

and buy a weapon."

"You will prove your love

by releasing him.

He needs this.

He has almost reached his limit."

- What do you mean by that?

- Once again, I'm being pastoral.

Because this is

The Book of Job tells us

that God always has his witness.

The Letter to the Romans tells us

that Jesus sits on the right hand

of the Father Let me finish!

Sara says that she needs

to decide if it's a weapon.

I fully understand her explanation.

I know it's difficult

for you to understand.

You're not used to thinking

in Biblical terms.

I'll elaborate a bit.

But isn't it true to say that you

have no explanation

because what Sara says

is the truth?

What Sara says is not the truth.

I have an explanation for that.

Anyone that wants to understand

can understand.

This is what it was like

in the courtroom.

Her testimony was allowed

to unfold undisturbed, while he

they were much harder on him.

Sara's testimony set the tone

in the evidence against him.

So they let her speak.

She could talk about her feelings,

her behavior and so on.

After a while I met Farid.

An older man from Morocco at

Plattan, Sergels Torg, Stockholm.

I ask him if he knows of anyone

who sells g*ns.

At first, he says that he doesn't.

And I think I start crying

because I'm at my wits' end.

And then I say that a friend of mine

is in danger

and she needs something

that will protect her.

She's putting a lot of thought into

what the text messages

are encouraging her to do.

She goes to Plattan,

because she knows that's where

she'll find what she needs.

Sergels Torg in Stockholm.

She's given a g*n, or she buys a g*n,

and then she learns to sh**t it.

She's given some instructions.

It's still a bit of a mystery

how this young girl

pulled this off without being tricked.

Well, she was tricked in a way,

but she's wasn't harmed

even though she mixed

with these people.

I learnt that I should

put my finger further in.

And this gave me the strength

to pull the trigger.

Because after all,

a girl's fingers are not very strong.

On the 19th, I sell even more shares

because on the 18th,

I lost 15,000 krona.

Someone tricked me and I needed

more money to buy a g*n.

And I did that.

How credible is this story?

- You mean how she got hold of the g*n?

- Yes.

It isn't any more credible than

anything else in this investigation.

Everything is possible and impossible.

Take the aspect of religion,

everything is so abstract.

All this stuff that they're imagining,

but the whole congregation

really believed in this stuff.

It made it difficult for journalists,

and probably the judiciary,

to poke a hole in their reasoning.

How do you do that? How do you

question something that doesn't exist?

"The car owned by Sara's father,

which Sara uses, is parked 100 meters

from the scene on the night

of the m*rder in a wooded area.

As it had snowed a few days earlier,

police could easily detect

footprints around the car.

It was concluded that Sara had never

walked from where the car was parked.

She had only walked to the car

after the m*rder."

"Knutby, a travesty of justice."

Yes. "An extremely good memory."

- d*ck Sundevall wrote this.

- Yes.

The first thing I reacted to was

what Sara says about the tracks

in the snow to and from her car.

That didn't add up.

Sara walked from the car and back.

It's very clear from this picture.

What is this?

I read the forensics report,

the coroner's report

and police interviews.

She can't explain how

Alexandra Fossmo was m*rder*d.

She drew sketches

of where she parked the car.

She walked the same route

to and from the crime scene.

- Look here, in the same tracks.

- Yes, indeed. I think we need a map.

This is what the police presented

and this is Sara's own sketch.

Like this Parking area. Parking area.

Here's the road.

She illustrates how she walked here

and took the same route back.

- That's what she says.

- She starts and finishes here.

- But the police say it started here.

- That's quite a difference.

Yes, the tracks to the car.

This has been used as evidence

in court. Everyone has seen it.

The prosecutor, the lawyers.

You would expect there to be

questions about this.

Number one.

These two accounts don't add up.

Number two. Why do the tracks start

in one spot and end in another?

Precisely.

Over there.

That's where the tracks begin.

- Inside that pole there.

- Right beside the telephone pole.

And there's a hill there.

You can see Åsa's house behind it.

- Yes.

- It must be

There's a car coming

- She must have come up here.

- Yes.

Up this hill.

And then here, where we're standing.

In this direction.

So after the crime,

someone definitely walked here.

But on their way to the crime

from the car, no one.

One would imagine

that during the trial

someone would ask,

"Did you get a lift?"

Mm, indeed.

As if someone drops her here.

And then drives up there,

parks the car and waits.

For her until she's finished.

But well

CRIME SCENE RECONSTRUCTION

I walk in without hesitating

over here.

Here I raise the revolver

and point it towards the body.

I pull the trigger.

I hear Alexandra cry out

rather faintly,

but she doesn't move at all.

She's lying completely still.

After firing the shot,

I quickly move over here.

I aim for the head

and fire the second shot.

- How far is that?

- This is wrong.

This doesn't correspond

with what the police say.

It doesn't add up.

And then a strange silence

envelopes the room.

Yes.

And I'm still not sure

that I succeeded in sh**ting her,

so I take two steps forward

This is the last shot.

And I aim once more at her head.

- How far is that?

- That's wrong too.

Yes, d*ck Sundevall

was of the same opinion.

"Sara said that she stood

by the side of the bed

and fired from between one and a half

and two meters."

That doesn't tally

with the forensics report.

I was just looking at that.

It says here,

"Two shots were fired from the g*n

directly towards the bedspread

over Alexandra's head,

So-called close contact range."

It says in the autopsy report

that these shots were fatal.

Close contact? What's the definition?

Yes, well, let's see.

"The g*n has been in contact

or in close contact with the target."

Like this, or this possibly,

in close contact.

- Yes. How far away is she, a meter?

- A meter.

But the shot before that

also close contact.

She's on the other side of the bed.

That's two meters away.

- That's not close contact.

- No, none of this adds up.

Maybe that's why the prosecutor

brings this up in her closing argument.

Here.

The parts of her testimony that could

be verified were shown to be true,

except one point. That is the one

relating to the distance

from which the shots

to Alexandra's head were fired.

The forensics report states

that the shots

are so-called close contact shots,

which means

that the revolver was held against,

or close to the head when fired.

Sara states that the shots

were fired from a distance

of at least half a meter.

An explanation as to why Sara

may be mistaken about the distance

is that it was relatively dark

in the bedroom.

Also, Alexandra had both the duvet

and bedspread over her head,

which made estimating

the distance difficult.

Another explanation

may be that it felt awful

to hold a g*n to someone's head

and therefore she suppressed

this memory afterwards.

Regardless of the reason, Sara's

incorrect account on this detail

does not diminish

the credibility of her testimony.

It's interesting that

she calls it "a detail".

In this interview from January 13,

the police ask Sara

where she's standing,

"Two meters from the headboard maybe.

Or 1.5, I'm not sure.

That's when I fire the second shot.

"Towards?" They ask.

"Towards the head," she says.

How far was the barrel

from her head at that point?

One to one and a half meters maybe.

You know

that the interrogating officer knows

that the forensics report

says something else.

He says, "You say you feel unsure

of yourself with this g*n and aim."

"Yes", says Sara. "Did you plan

on going up close and firing?"

A leading question.

She says, "I would find it hard

to press it against her head."

And she goes on,

but the point is, this is a person

that goes out of her way

to please people,

but on this single important point

she is not people-pleasing.

And we know that she is extremely good

at remembering things.

The prosecutor says

that she may have suppressed this.

It's interesting that when she doesn't

remember, she must have suppressed it.

In the single most important moment

of this act,

when those fatal shots are fired,

she doesn't succeed in giving

a correct account of events.

And I think

putting a g*n here, or very close,

at close contact range, can you

really suppress something like that?

Let's agree with the prosecutor,

this is just "a detail",

but it still doesn't explain

the first shot.

Because if we are

to believe what Sara says,

she shoots Alexandra in the hip.

That shot is not fatal

and it doesn't even wake her.

Yes, it seems like

she doesn't even move

from the time the first shot is fired.

She lies completely still

and then she's shot in the head.

Precisely.

Let's say you were run over by a car.

You don't feel

a lot of pain immediately,

because the adrenalin kicks in,

but she was shot with a revolver

that according

to the forensics report,

produced a sound level

of 102.9 dB, at the lowest.

It's like switching on a power saw,

drilling a hole in a wall,

or starting a disco.

It should wake her.

One month earlier she woke up when

she was hit on the head with a hammer.

So why doesn't Alexandra wake up

a month later

when she's shot in the hip?

There is no mention of this in court.

We can sit here discussing it,

but these questions

should have been asked in court.

Here's a person that has been shot

in the hip and doesn't wake up.

But it's like

Sara confesses so

"This is what happened."

I didn't want to do it.

I really didn't want to do

what I did.

I had no personal motive. Who did?

Who was the driving force

behind all of this?

Well