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01x03 - Episode Three

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Allen v. Farrow". Aired: February 21 – March 14, 2021.*
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The series examines the sexual as*ault allegation made against Woody Allen by his adopted daughter Dylan Farrow, who was seven when the abuse allegedly occurred.

01x03 - Episode Three

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I want to be friends.

You will not let me get in.

You have to,

it's way beyond that now.

What you've done to Soon-Yi.

What you've done to Dylan.

What you've done to Dylan,

Dylan's a baby.

How could you do that to her?

I don't know anything of the kind.

I know what Dylan tells me.

You've told me nothing but lies.

Dylan tells the truth and consistently.

- But you know that I didn't

- I don't know that, Woody.

I've always been worried

about you and Dylan.

And I didn't know the doctor

had to report this to the authorities.

I didn't know that.

I went to be sure she was all right.

And she's not all right, Woody.

She walks around the house

holding her vag*na.

She sleeps with me.

She's scared of you.

And you hurt her.

Now I feel pretty guilty myself

that I wasn't there to protect her.

She said,

"Mommy, you didn't help me."

She said,

"Daddy shouldn't have done that.

He shouldn't have hurt me

like that.

If you heard her

you would weep inside,

and you would

just want to be dead.

Because I don't know

how you can live with what you did.

This is a story of two

of the biggest stars in the world.

The father is Woody Allen,

writer, director, actor.

The mother is Mia Farrow,

his frequent co-star,

and the mother of his three children,

two of them adopted.

Woody and Mia

have been together for 12 years

but never married

and kept separate residences.

She reportedly has a video

of their adopted daughter Dylan

explaining how Allen molested her.

Allen denies child abuse,

but freely admits

he's in love with another of Farrow's

daughters, 21-year-old Soon-Yi.

Allen said the newest allegations

are the bizarre concoctions

of a woman scorned.

Miss Farrow's only concern

have been exclusively

the protection of her children.

ALLEN V. FARROW

Episode 3

The private lives of Woody Allen

and the Farrow family

would become very public

in August of 1992.

A series of investigations

and lawsuits followed,

which generated tens of thousands

of court and police documents,

most of which were never made public

or obtained by the press.

One cache of more

than 60 boxes of documentation

was hidden away

in an attorney storage room,

untouched since the '90s.

Over the course

of our three-year investigation

we gained access to those boxes,

along with police files of the case,

additional evidence, affidavits,

sworn testimony,

and private audio and video recordings.

After the incident in the attic,

the next day

I took Dylan to the doctor.

She didn't really know the pediatrician

up here in Connecticut that well

and she sure

didn't want to talk about it.

He didn't want to pressure her,

and he said:

"No problem. Why don't you

come back tomorrow?"

When we got in the car

and I said:

"Did you want to tell him

what you told me? Do you feel?"

And she said, "I don't like

to talk about my privates."

And I'm, like, "I get that.

But it would be helpful

if you could tell him,

because then we would have somebody

who could make sure you are okay."

So then the next day

we went back

and she did tell the doctor

what happened.

And then we went home.

And we were all outside

and I got a call from the doctor.

And he said, "I just wanted to tell

you that I've told the police."

I remember when I took the phone call

I made the kids get out of the water.

So they were making sand castles

and covering their feet with sand.

And I saw a little robin

was hopping on the grass.

And I'm holding the phone

thinking it all looked so normal,

but nothing will ever

be normal ever again.

Dylan's pediatrician had submitted

a report of suspected sexual abuse,

and a series of legal actions

were initiated in two states.

In New York,

the Farrows' legal residence,

the City Child Welfare Administration

opened an investigation.

While in Connecticut,

where the crime had occurred,

the state police

also opened a criminal investigation,

which was overseen

by state prosecutor, Frank Maco.

I received a call

from my office with a complaint,

alleged sexual abuse

on one Woody Allen.

I met with the members

of the Connecticut State Police.

I said, I want to make sure

that we're not talking

about some type of a Hollywood

relationship that had gone bad.

Next thing you know, crime squad trucks

rolling down our driveway.

They went to do

whatever they do in the attic,

collecting hair

and stuff like that.

What I remember

is that after the attic

things really started changing

very rapidly.

I said this thing,

and it started this nightmare

of lawyers and the phone ringing,

and everything changed.

Woody's not about

to change his ways.

He's where he is every Monday night,

Michael's Pub here in Manhattan.

Steve Powers is there right now.

Steve?

It was as if Woody Allen was trying

to play it cool by playing his clarinet,

as he does every Monday night

over here at Michael's Pub.

He went up on the bandstand

and joined the band

in some playing with a full house.

But earlier there was an indication

everything wasn't just fine,

when Woody left his apartment

at 74th Street and 5th venue.

He had no comment.

Woody, could you give us

a comment, Woody?

Anything about

the Bridgewater charges, Woody?

My office

and the Connecticut State Police,

we wanted to do

our investigation

quietly and as effectively as possible,

professionally as possible.

Next thing I know

at the Plaza Hotel

Mr. Allen calls a news conference

and announces he's subject

of a Connecticut State Police

investigation into abuse.

Thank you for coming.

Over the years you know that I've been

reluctant to speak with the press

and have assiduously

avoided publicity.

But because of all the rumors,

and innuendos,

and cruel untruths circulating

over the past week

I feel that I have

to make a statement.

This is an unconscionable

and gruesomely damaging manipulation

of innocent children for vindictive

and self-serving purposes.

In the end the one thing

I have been guilty of

is falling in love

with Ms. Farrow's adult daughter

Woody gave a press conference

where he talked about being

wildly in love with Soon-Yi,

and our jaws all dropped.

He said to Mia, "I don't love Soon-Yi",

I heard him say this:

"This was just a silly little fling.

I'm not in love with her."

There's a calculated reason

why love enters the picture.

He's trying to distract.

This is a woman scorned.

This is an unhinged woman.

That's Woody's narrative.

He turned it all back,

turned it upside down and around,

and focused

on his relationship with Soon-Yi.

And the media

ran with that story.

One day after Woody Allen

acknowledge a love affair

with de 21 year-old adopted daughter

of his one time companion

and leading lady Mia Farrow,

the usually very private filmmaker

went public.

Allen says he feels

no great moral dilemma

over his admitted relationship

with Soon-Yi Previn Farrow.

In a written statement Allen says,

"Regarding my love for Soon-Yi,

it's real and happily all true.

He added that Mia Farrow

was so irate

when Allen fell in love with Farrow's

adopted college-age daughter, Soon-Yi,

that Farrow

concocted the abuse charges.

I would love to see Dylan and Satchel,

and you know that.

So you're not willing

to try to go back

and try to undo some of this,

and see if we can't

- What could be undone?

- Take it out of the public arena.

- Yes.

- Let's get it private.

I'd love to take it out

of the public arena.

But when you say

"take it out of the public arena"

But let's stop insulting

each other through other people.

I mean, you know, in fact we

It's not out of the public arena

when you're doing an interview

with Newsweek.

I was told you were doing

an interview with Newsweek.

I'm not doing

an interview with Newsweek, no.

In Time and Newsweek

Allen struck the latest blow

in this w*r waged with sound bites

and spicy quotes.

Over the past week

Allen's trial-by-tabloid

has captivated

the national psyche.

I was a general assignment reporter

back in the '90s

when we heard that Mia Farrow's

adopted daughter

might be having an affair

with Woody Allen.

And the way he spun it

was just perfect.

Don't forget,

Woody Allen at that time

had some really high-powered people

in his court.

Elkan Abramowitz, his attorney,

big, big attorney,

and he had a very powerful

PR machine behind him.

They were doing a great job

painting Mia Farrow

as a scorned woman

who would say anything.

But we had to follow the leads,

and sometimes it took us to a place

that Woody Allen was not happy.

Here at the Episcopal School

on Manhattan's East Side

sources tell us that Woody Allen

was so obsessed with Dylan,

who was then three years-old,

that parents and teachers

began talking about how Allen

would sit in the doorway

positioned to watch little Dylan

in the classroom.

We were one of a few journalists

who gave the other side.

Woody immediately

got onto the cover of Time,

the cover of Newsweek,

the cover of People,

and Mia wasn't really speaking.

I thought to myself, there has

to be another side to the story.

She was not giving interviews

so I had to find people close to her.

I spoke to Andre Previn,

her previous husband.

I spoke to the tutors.

I spoke to the babysitters.

One of the things

that was interesting to me

was that Mia didn't want

these allegations to be true

because this was completely

unraveling her entire life.

I was told by several different

people that she said,

"You know, Dylan,

we all make up stories.

If this didn't happen you really

need to tell me it didn't happen,

or maybe you think

it happened and"

And she says,

"No, it happened.

And if he says

it didn't happen he's lying."

So this little girl would never

back down from the story.

I also found out that Woody

refused to submit

to the state police's

lie detector test.

The Connecticut State Police

indicated that Woody Allen

had taken a polygraph

by a private polygrapher.

I said, "I'm not interested. I want

a state police polygrapher to take it,"

and he refused.

So I did not get

what I had requested,

which was a polygraph

by the Connecticut State Police.

If I have a shred of belief left

in you, then help me now.

Tell me where you were

for those 20 minutes.

- That will all be

- But why can't you just tell me now?

It will all be all the details

when the time comes.

No, now. Why can't you

just tell me, help me now?

when the time comes,

and the truth will come out.

Woody, tell me where you were!

People scoured the house.

Every single room was searched.

You could help me a lot.

all about that eventually

- Why don't you just tell me?

- all about it.

Be logical about this.

I'm 57.

Isn't it illogical that I'm going

to pick this moment in my life

to become a child molester?

It's just incredible.

if I wanted to be a child molester

I had many opportunities in the past.

Why would Allen's 7-year-old daughter

tell a Connecticut doctor otherwise?

Either she has been coached

methodically to

tell this story, because

- By Mia?

- By Mia, yeah.

Overnight almost there

he is on everything,

on the cover of every magazine,

on every kind of show,

saying that I had coached Dylan

and all these things.

She's been using her friends

on both coasts

to say terrible things about me

and to lie about

I didn't feel that it was seemly

to get into

a public fight with him.

In a statement

Farrow told NBC News

she wouldn't be interviewed

about Woody Allen for this story

and asked that her friends

not talk to us about Allen either.

I just had to keep my focus

on the kids

and try to keep them safe,

and try to keep whatever semblance

of normal that we could

under the circumstances.

There were helicopters

flying low to take pictures,

and the kids

couldn't go anywhere.

And it was terrifying.

If we left the house they would

follow us wherever we were going.

And it was scary.

At the Farrow home in Connecticut,

and elsewhere,

family members

were rallying to Mama Mia's side.

She's my mother

and she's the best mother there is.

Any statement saying that she is unfit

to be a mother is completely ridiculous.

She is a marvelous mother,

a fine woman,

and she's just got a moral foundation

that's just unbreakable

and we're all rocks

and we're all staying together

we're gonna fight this thing

till we win.

We didn't need help turning

against him. He did it to himself.

And his accusation that my mother

is an unfit mother is absurd.

Anybody who knows

my mother knows that.

Woody appeared to have

what were unlimited resources

and hired private investigators.

And people were following us around,

and going through garbage,

and looking for anything

that there's a weakness here

that I can exploit to say,

"Hold on a minute,

she's not the great parent she's

asserting herself to be. Look at this."

I definitely felt

like I was followed a few times,

when I was coming from Mia's

apartment back to my apartment,

or if I was taking the children out.

One night I was coming home

from some friends,

and I was being followed.

So I didn't even go home.

I took some twists and turns

and still this person was following me.

I went all the way into the neighboring

town and it became really scary.

Woody Allen's team hired

multiple private investigators

to uncover compromising information

about Mia's family,

as well as the

Connecticut State detectives

who had been assigned

to the case.

I met with the members

of the Connecticut State Police,

instructed them

to continue their investigation.

I said,

"I want this child evaluated."

I wanted some type of opinion

as to whether or not my bringing

her into the criminal justice system,

putting her on the stand,

in any way would traumatize her.

And want to know are there any

impediments to the child's ability

to take the stand

and testify in court.

So I suggested the Yale Child Sexual

Abuse Clinic to do the examination.

They were going to assist me

insofar as determining

whether or not there

were any impediments

as to the child's ability

to perceive, recall, and relate.

The Yale New Haven team

was led by Dr. John Leventhal,

who at that time was the director

of the Yale New Haven Hospital

Child Sexual Abuse Clinic.

The team also included

two social workers,

Julia Hamilton

and Jennifer Sawyer.

Records show that Sawyer and Hamilton

interviewed Dylan nine times

over a three-month period.

I would meet with some adults

who would show me

an anatomically-correct doll

and ask me

where daddy touched me.

And I would repeat the story over,

and over, and over again.

It was grueling and it was intense,

and I hated it.

Their examination

went on for seven months.

And then I received a call

that the Yale Child Sexual Abuse Clinic

made a decision, and I am given

the bottom-line conclusion

that the child is unreliable,

untrustworthy,

and/or that Mia Farrow

was a fabricator of this incident.

The report stated there were

"inconsistencies" in Dylan's statements,

and that she had "difficulty

distinguishing fantasy from reality."

The report also stated

that Dylan's accusations were

"likely reinforced and encouraged by her

mother who was enraged with Mr. Allen."

Without notifying Frank Maco,

who had commissioned the report,

Yale New Haven met

with Mia Farrow and Woody Allen

and informed them

of the results of the report.

Next thing I know

the Yale New Haven team

presented the findings to Allen,

the suspect of the investigation,

and allowed him to announce the results

publicly on the steps of the hospital.

They've come to a decision

that I can say is an accurate one.

Certainly I never, ever

abused my daughter.

There was no sexual abuse

that ever took place,

and that the it was either

an imagined thing

or a concocted thing.

Why do you call the accused

and have a press conference

on the steps of the hospital

to "clear him"

when you don't give it

to the state attorney to do that?

He was the one who commissioned it.

It wasn't their purview to do that.

Today's report,

if it is as Allen describes it,

seems to remove any possibility

he'd face criminal charges.

The report also says that the child

may have made this story up.

But the experts also allow

for the possibility in their report

that Farrow may have coached

the child to tell this story.

In the report the experts recommend

that Farrow receive therapy now

for what it characterized

as her "extremely disturbed"

relationship with 7-year-old Dylan.

I had to come forward

and say, "Wait a minute.

I find nothing

indicating that Mia Farrow

is in any way fabricating, controlling,

or manipulating this child.

There's nothing to show us that.

I just want to say that I will always

stand by my children.

Did you make it up?

Did you make up that story?

I was contacted

by Ms. Farrow's attorney

shortly after the Yale report

came out.

Ms. Farrow's lawyer

was concerned about the report,

and she asked me if I could read it

and tell her what I thought.

I read the report

and I was horrified.

And I testified in court

about the report.

They interviewed this child

nine times.

Even in the early '90s nobody

interviewed a child of any age

amidst an allegation

of sexual abuse nine times.

You don't interview a child

about the same allegation

over and over and over again.

You interview the child the least

amount of times as possible,

so as not to re-traumatize the child.

The more I was asked the same

question over and over,

the more I started to wonder

what do they want from me,

and feeling like the more

I said the same thing, that

it was the wrong answer,

that I was being treated like I was

lying.

If I'd change a word here

they say I'm being inconsistent.

If I use exactly the same words that

I used every other time I was coached.

There were absolute consistencies

in which this child said

the same thing to the same interviewers

over the 9 times she was interviewed.

She's very consistent

about who touched her,

where in the house,

what part of her body,

what he touched her with.

So she's very consistent with the core

elements of her disclosure.

She hasn't really moved away

from that in this report,

in all of these interviews.

Every little idiosyncrasy that I

could've had as a seven-year-old girl

was used against me.

The fact that I used

childish descriptions

I described a couple of mannequin

heads as "dead heads."

The "dead heads"

were later identified

as Mia Farrow's mannequins

for her wigs,

probably in her profession.

I did not find that to be

an unreasonable description

by a seven-year-old who's trying

to identify what was in mom's attic.

Part of their conclusion

of why Dylan fantasized

was because she referred

to the "magic hour."

Anybody who's grown up

around filmmakers

knows that certain hours of the day

do have the magic light.

I was the kid of two people

in the film industry.

And I was on set a lot.

So how I was I supposed to know that

that constitutes magical thinking?

That's a pretty big thing

to say a 7-year-old child

is delusional,

isn't thinking right,

doesn't know the difference

between fantasy and reality.

This report failed to reflect

anything even close

to the child having

a psychotic disorder, not even close.

Jennifer Sawyer

and Dr. Julia Hamilton,

the two social workers

on Leventhal's team,

interviewed Dylan.

But according

to Dr. Leventhal's deposition,

Yale New Haven's practice

was to destroy all notes

after the completion

of an evaluation.

So ultimately

no contemporaneous record exists

of what they thought or observed

when they first interviewed Dylan.

All of the notes were destroyed.

- Are notes typically destroyed?

- No. Notes are never destroyed.

Notes are never destroyed

during a forensic evaluation,

never, ever, ever destroyed.

Notes are evidence,

and we would turn over any drawings,

any notes we took in an interview,

anything that was written down

in an interview

would be handed over

to law enforcement.

If I elected

to go to trial on this case

my first question

to each of those evaluators,

"Let me see your contemporaneous

notes in your interview of this child."

Destroyed, all of them.

Bottom line, this was basically

a runaway evaluation.

Yale New Haven did not have the

authority to reach their conclusion.

They're talking

about whether a crime occurred.

And the people who decide whether

a child is a victim of a crime

is a judge or a jury.

I make the decision, not Yale.

I haven't relinquished

my constitutional responsibility

to decide whether

or not we're going to prosecute.

It is up to a trained prosecutor

to determine whether or not

that child has been

sexually abused, period.

No one should hold up that report

and say Woody Allen was exonerated.

While the investigation continued

in Connecticut,

the investigation in New York

by the Child Welfare Administration

was also underway.

The supervisor assigned

to the case was Sheryl Harden.

In my sex abuse unit

I was a senior supervisor,

and we investigated child abuse

throughout the City of New York.

So after I read the allegations

I said I'll assign this to Paul.

Paul Williams was one

of the top investigators that I had.

He was very thorough;

he was objective.

Paul Williams had roughly handled

about 800 cases at the time,

and just the year before in 1991

the City of New York awarded him

"Caseworker of the Year".

It was the first time

that they had ever awarded

such an award to a caseworker.

Paul interviewed Dylan and found her

to be quite credible.

At her age she should not know anything

about inserting a finger into the vag*na.

She should not know anything

about inserting a finger into the an*s.

Those are not things that should be

that easy for her to discuss

unless there's something occurring.

Among the records we obtained

were a complete set of Paul Williams'

contemporaneous investigation notes.

Within the first two weeks

of being assigned the case

Williams reported that there

was sufficient information

to open a criminal investigation of

Woody Allen in the State of New York.

He was later told

by superiors that,

"In high-profile cases it is customary

for the 'big wigs' to take over

and 'we'do nothing."

This was no ordinary case.

Filings were misfiled.

Misinformation

was put into the computer.

There was clearly a strong political

climate to shut this thing down.

But Paul Williams, his agenda

was the best interest of the child.

The City of New York

had another agenda,

they needed to suffocate

and silence Paul Williams.

And when he wouldn't shut up

they fired him.

Under what pretext?

That he was insubordinate.

He wasn't following instructions.

I have no comment to say, okay?

Paul Williams may not want

to answer our questions,

but his attorney assures us he is not

running away from an investigation

into whether someone may have

intervened in New York City's handling

of the child abuse allegations

against Woody Allen.

I did my job

and I believe the kid, okay?

- You believe the kid?

- Yes.

I have seen no evidence

to led me to believe otherwise.

Confidential notes obtained from

the Human Resources Administration

indicate that the investigator

attributed the decision

not to pursue the case to the Mayor's

office, a charge they deny.

This wasn't about one supervisor

or one department in this agency.

This was a massive cover-up attempt,

and Paul was caught in the middle.

Williams is suing the city,

charging that the Mayor's office hid

and suppressed information in the case.

Williams contends that higher-ups

muzzled him, refusing to allow him

to report his findings

either to New York family court

or to authorities in Connecticut,

where a parallel investigation

is still going on.

Every procedure, every rule,

every regulation,

every statute, every ordinance

with respect to the investigation

of a child sexual abuse in this matter

was violated.

Women's rights activist

Gloria Steinem

came to lend her support

to Paul Williams.

Someone who knew the case

got in touch with me,

just as a reporter,

as a journalist.

So I talked to Paul.

He seemed to me

a very admirable, smart,

empathetic person

with no possible motive

to do anything but do his best

to find out the truth.

The determination that the judge made

was that he shouldn't have been fired,

and he was awarded his job back, and

back pay for what was taken from him.

Paul Williams felt vindicated

in the individual sense

of what happened

in terms of getting his job back.

But he was never able to complete

the very job he was given.

Paul Williams still works

for the New York City Administration

for Children's Service,

and a spokesperson for the agency

declined our request for an interview.

But in looking

through his old case file

we were surprised

to see a familiar name.

Williams had corresponded

directly with Jennifer Sawyer,

one of the social workers

who interviewed Dylan

for the Yale New Haven

investigation in Connecticut.

According to Williams' notes,

Sawyer had told him that she had

not only considered Dylan credible,

but believed

that she had more to disclose.

Sawyer's notes were later destroyed.

In the end the result was

that people with power

were able to get the case removed.

It just seemed to me, from everything

I could glean as a reporter,

to be a case of great injustice.

I don't sleep at night.

What I do is lay awake thinking

about how horrendous this has been,

what they've done to her.

The elite can do whatever they need

to do, whatever they want to do,

and there's no consequences for it.

Not long after that, I think maybe

a year later, I left the city agency.

Why?

Because I could not continue

to do what I did

to those low-income families,

those black families,

and welfare families,

and have them treated differently

than if they would've been

a Woody Allen.

He's got an army of lawyers,

and he's very wealthy.

People bend over backwards

to do what he wants.

What I really thought

was that Woody was all-powerful,

and that what he had told me

was true,

and that he could control

the Yale people, the doctor there,

and he could control somehow

the New York people.

Because he made his movies

in New York,

that brought millions of dollars

to New York City.

And what he had said to me

was that,

"It doesn't matter what's true.

What matters is what's believed."

And that he said it in such a cold way

that I thought could he be right?

And then Woody sued me

for custody,

saying that I had to hand over

my children

because I was an unfit mother,

turning my children against him

with horrible lies,

that he was going to take Dylan,

Moses, and Satchel.

But I also faced losing

all of my children,

because if Woody were believed

that I was a horrible mother,

what would happen to all the other

adopted children in the family?

I mean, there was a lot to lose.

You brought charges against me

as an unfit mother.

And I'm going

to make them stick.

Woody, don't do this.

Don't try this. Don't do this.

I don't deserve it.

If you look back from an historical

point of view

there's clearly

a bias against women

who made allegations of r*pe

and sexual abuse against children.

And the very term "hysteria"

as applied to women

was easy to believe that women

who made allegations

were themselves mentally ill.

I personally read every law review

article on this subject

from the 1880s to the 1970s.

And the level of skepticism of women's

allegations of r*pe and sexual as*ault

was almost monolithic.

People don't want to believe

that this could be happening

in the context of a family.

It's so awful to think that a father

could be doing this to his child

that we would rather assume,

we'll look for any explanation,

other than that being the truth.

Dr. Richard Gardner, known for his

innovative work on children of divorce,

coined the term

"Parental Alienation Syndrome."

The idea is that one parent,

caught up in a custody battle,

programs children

against the other parent,

even fabricating

charges of sexual abuse.

It's not a rare phenomenon;

it's quite common.

He says it usually arises when

a mother, afraid of losing custody,

uses false accusations

as a weapon.

In about 90% of cases it's the mother

who is the programmer,

and the father who is the victim

of the campaign.

He said that when mothers report child

sexual abuse in custody litigation,

most of the time they are doing

so not because it's true,

but because they want to alienate

the children from their father.

Children are very suggestable,

and it's easier for them

to start off with suggested ideas

which develop into delusions.

I believe that we are witnessing

the third-greatest wave of hysteria

that we've ever seen

in this country.

The problem with his syndrome

is that it became a device

for not believing people,

and an easy way to brand

the woman as mentally unstable

and a deliberate fabricator.

So here comes a book

that professes to give us charts,

and diagrams, and numbers,

and easy explanations

for how to sort out

whether this is true or false.

It's all bogus, it's not real science,

but it looks like science.

There were a number of studies

in the U.S. and around the world.

They found that reports of child sexual

abuse are rarely intentionally false.

Studies found

that only 2 to 9 percent

of child sexual abuse reports

made to child welfare agencies

are considered

to be intentionally false.

Gardner himself admits

that his theories

aren't based on any scientific

or clinical research,

just his experience.

His work on parental alienation

isn't reviewed by peers;

he publishes it all himself.

He was clearly very troubled.

He said crazy things,

and he put some of them in print.

" pedophilia has been considered

the norm

by the vast majority of individuals

in the history of the world "

"It is because our society

overreacts to it (pedophilia)

that children suffer".

He said that the earlier children

become sexualized

the better it is for the race,

because they'll have more sex

and more offspring.

So this is all-natural

and good for the species.

After some of that

became exposed

people started disparaging

Richard Gardner

and the Parental

Alienation Syndrome,

but then they just started

to keep on using it,

even using his same criteria.

So often fathers who are accused of

abuse respond by suing for custody.

Very often the ab*ser files for custody

to tamp down any kind of criminal

investigation that's going on.

The timing of when Woody Allen filed

for custody matches this strategy.

Within a week of learning that he was

being investigated for child abuse,

Woody Allen filed a lawsuit

against Mia Farrow

for sole custody of Dylan,

Satchel, and Moses.

The suit claimed Mia

was emotionally disturbed,

unable to manage

the rearing of her nine children,

and was brainwashing the children

with respect to the false allegations

of sexual misconduct by Allen.

Why would you want

to take them away?

You promised me

you would never do it.

You know in your heart

I'm not heavily medicated,

that I'm not a*usive, that I always

spend enough time with them.

If I have faults about that it's that I

always spend all my time with them.

I don't think in the 13 years,

of the 13 movies we've done

You'll have a chance to prove that.

But you know that in your heart,

that I've never showed up

for work without the children,

that the children

have always come first.

You'll have a chance

to make that case at some point.

And when all the facts

are in we'll see.

Okay.

- Is your phone taped?

- No, my phone's not taped.

I'm the last person that knows

how to work that stuff.

You don't even have to talk about it.

We can hang up now if you want.

I was just hearing you out

because I think,

that a terrible thing

is being done to the kids

- Are you hanging up?

- Hold on one second.

- Hello?

- Yeah, Woody?

Yes, can I call you back?

I'm on the phone with Mia and

I have been for the last 10 minutes.

I'm not saying anything,

but I'm just listening and taping.

God bless you. Bye.

Hello!

- Hello.

- Okay.

Do what you have to do. I don't think

it's in your best interest,

or in the children's

best interest.

You mean your best interest, right?

That's what this is about.

Certainly not

in my best interest either.

It's not in mine or yours,

or the children's.

A judge has barred television cameras

from the courtroom

during tomorrow's custody hearing

between Woody Allen and Mia Farrow.

Allen is suing for custody

of the couple's three children.

Try and get the kids.

He said he should have custody

of the three youngest children

he shared with Farrow,

because she was seeking vengeance

on him through the children

using them as pawns.

We are confident that after the

all the evidence is in we will prevail

at the custody hearing.

It was a circus in that courtroom.

Everybody was jockeying for seats.

I mean, every tabloid,

every big TV personality was there.

Everybody wanted to know how this

was going to end for Woody Allen.

Woody Allen to New York

was a home-grown hero

to a whole generation of artists,

intellectuals, journalists.

I grew up with Woody Allen

as a hero.

The New York Times was Woody Allen's

hometown paper in so many ways.

Vincent Canby, the film critic

for the New York Times,

had long been a champion

of Woody's work.

The readership of the New York Times

and the viewership of Woody's films

were almost two parallel audiences.

He was the ultimate New Yorker.

Next to the Statue of Liberty

who was the most famous New Yorker?

Who expressed the city best? Who

epitomized it to the ultimate degree?

It was Woody Allen. And so the

atmosphere was one of rapt attention.

The Allen v. Farrow trial was presided

over by Judge Elliott Wilk,

who would determine custody

and visitation rights

for Dylan, Satchel, and Moses.

Woody Allen

was the first witness sworn in,

and his attorney, Elkan Abramowitz,

led the questioning.

Were you ever alone

with Dylan on August 4th?

No. I was not allowed

to be alone with her.

I was always

in the presence of other people

I was never alone

for any substantial amount of time.

These claims of Mr. Allen

were contradicted in court

by three people who were supervising

the children on the day of his visit.

Kristi Groteke,

Dylan's babysitter,

testified that she searched the house

looking for Dylan,

but was unable to locate her

for about 20 minutes.

During that same period,

Sophie Berge, Dylan's tutor,

testified she was outside

with the other children,

where neither Dylan

nor Allen were to be found.

Earlier Alison Stickland,

another babysitter,

testified that she had walked in

on Dylan and Allen in the TV room.

Mr. Allen was on his knees in front

of Dylan with his head in hep lap

- where was he facing?

- Her, straight ahead.

- He was facing into her body?

- Yes.

"His head in her crotch",

that stuck with me.

I remember reporters all, like,

exchanging sidelong glances.

There seems no reasonable way

to look at that behavior

as anything but trouble.

The Woody who appeared

at the trial was a frightened,

defensive creature

who was out of his element.

There was no sense from him

that the motivation

for wanting sole custody

was his deep love for these children,

his concern for their welfare.

I think you did get a sense

of his anger with Mia Farrow.

It was really about portraying Mia

as vindictive

and seeking revenge

for the relationship with Soon-Yi.

They were attempting

to make the case

that Mia had concocted this story

as a way to punish Woody.

Do you believe that Miss Farrow

brainwashed Dylan

with respect to the accusations?

I do believe

that she brainwashed Dylan

Mia instantly took Dylan,

asked her in a leading way

about molestation

Dylan, tell me again

what happened, okay?

The videotape of Dylan

talking about abuse in the TV room,

and then in the attic, was entered

as evidence in the custody trial.

Mia testified that she taped Dylan

over two days,

whenever she had started

to speak about it.

As part of our research we asked

a team of independent experts

to evaluate the tape.

He put his head on my lap,

hugged me tight.

And then

And then he

And then he secretly took

one hand

from

from here,

and touched my privates.

And I do not like that one bit.

What a child forensic interviewer

is going to be looking for

is as the child is describing

what happened

does it seem like they are recounting

something that happened to them,

or is there a disconnect

between the words that they're using

and their body language, or their voice

inflection and that sort of thing.

- Where did he touch you?

- Here.

You can see the child

almost physically re-enacting

as though they're recalling

what happened to them

by you can see her reaching

towards her backside.

We went into your room

and we went into the attic.

He started telling me

weird things.

And secretly

he went into the attic,

and went behind me

and touched my privates.

- Which privates did he touch?

- This part.

- He touched your front part?

- Yeah!

Mia Farrow was actually

pretty careful in her questions.

All she did was say who,

what, when, where, and how.

There were no overt suggestions like,

"He molested you, didn't he?"

So there's none of that kind

of coaching going on,

where there are

implicit suggestions

such as one that I saw

was Mia Farrow

clearly believed that he must've taken

the child's pants off.

So she asked,

"Did he take your pants off?"

- Did he take your underpants off?

- No!

Dylan says no.

She keeps coming back.

You just already had them off?

- But he didn't take them off?

- No.

From my point of view what's

important is Dylan's response.

Does she go along

with the suggestion?

"Yes, he took my pants off."

But she doesn't.

It's not just

what the interviewer says;

it's whether the child

is suggestible or not that matters.

And Dylan

says no to things like that.

She's very consistent

in her story in this.

When I was in the attic he said,

"Do not move.

I have to do this."

But I wiggled my bottom

a little to see what he was doing.

He said:

"Don't move, I have to do this."

"So if you stay still"

"then we can go to Paris."

When a child

is disclosing a conversation

or something

that another person says,

that again increases

the credibility of the statement,

because she's restating

something that she heard.

So that's something that would be hard

to be coached on or fabricate about.

- Did he say why you shouldn't tell?

- He said

"Because this way you can be

in my movie, if I do this."

- I didn't want him to do it, Mama.

- I know, of course not!

The child is starting

to kind of shut down.

It wouldn't surprise me at all

watching this clip

if the child already is getting tired

of being asked these questions.

That is a very typical progression

for an abused child,

not so much

for a false accusation.

False accusations

tend to get stronger under pressure.

I didn't like it.

I just feel so bad for you.

I don't like it.

I also don't want to talk about it.

Okay. Let's turn this off.

What's in that tape

feels like that is who I am

when you strip away everything else.

When you look underneath

all my layers,

down to the very center

of who I am,

I am that little girl on the tape.

So

it's a very vulnerable

part of me,

and a very

very hurt part of me.

There's a lot of

That little girl

is in a lot of pain.

This kind of abuse

warps something inside of you.

Because it doesn't happen

by a stranger

that snatches you off the street

and throws you in a van.

It happens by someone you love

and someone you trust,

someone who buckles your seatbelt,

takes your hand

when you walk down the street,

reads you bedtime stories

It's incomprehensible to normal people

because it's not normal.

It was the 20th day of a trial

that has played out over nearly 7 weeks

in a New York courtroom,

a day for closing arguments

by lawyers for Woody Allen,

who was seeking custody

of three children

from this 12 years

unmarried partnership with Mia Farrow.

Farrow wiped tears from her eyes

as Abramowitz accused her

of seeking revenge

for Allen's affair with Soon-Yi.

The attorney argued,

"A mother who cannot subjugate her anger

at a father is unfit to be a parent."

I was so scared.

I didn't know

what would happen next.

And so we waited

for the decision.

We waited a week.

We waited two weeks.

We waited a month.

And then finally the judge

brought his opinion down.

Woody Allen's bitter child custody

battle with Mia Farrow is over.

And a New York judge today

cast Allen in a role

he's often played on screen: loser.

The judge said Allen

did not demonstrate parenting skills

that would qualify him

to care for Moses, Dylan or Satchel.

On June 7th, 1993 Judge Wilk

issued his decision,

and it was scathing.

He stated, "Mr. Allen's behavior toward

Dylan was grossly inappropriate

and that measures

must be taken to protect her.

It is unclear whether Mr. Allen will

ever develop the insight and judgment

necessary for him to relate

to Dylan appropriately.

The evidence at trial

established that Ms. Farrow

is a caring and loving mother.

I am not persuaded

that the videotape of Dylan

is the product of leading questions

or of the child's fantasy.

There is no credible evidence

to support Mr. Allen's contention

that Ms. Farrow coached Dylan."

He ruled Allen could not visit Dylan

for at least six months,

and questioned whether he could

ever be a fit parent to the girl.

Allen will be able to have

supervised visits with Satchel,

the couple's biological child,

but 15-year-old Moses

was left to decide

whether he wants

to see his adopted father.

Judge Wilk also addressed

the findings of the Yale New Haven

report in his decision, stating,

"The unavailability of the notes,

together with their unwillingness

to testify at this trial

resulted in a report which was

sanitized and therefore less credible."

He could've very easily said,

"I follow the guidelines

of the Yale study team.

They're a very prestigious

organization," but he didn't.

He said he didn't buy it.

I didn't buy it either.

As a reporter,

it's hard to admit this in a way.

I absolutely worshiped Woody Allen

before this trial.

And I still

The proof is I could never watch

a Woody Allen film again after this.

It still hurts

it still wrenches me to say that.

It's still not easy to say that.

My hope now is that I can go home,

back to my children,

and that we will finally

have some measure of peace

and be allowed to heal,

to begin that.

It was a very strange

feeling for me

being told that

I never had to see him again.

And it wasn't framed as, "You're

never going to see your father again."

It was framed as,

"Do you ever

want to see him again?" And

I didn't.

I feel it's unfortunate,

even tragic for the kids

that I didn't get custody of them.

And if I could have

just a second to thank

all the people in the streets,

and at the Knick games,

and who have come over to me

and given me their support

and said terrific things to me,

and, you know,

I'm still in there fighting

and doing my best, and thank you.

Allen appealed Judge Wilk's decision

to two higher courts.

The appellate court

upheld Wilk's decision.

New York's highest court,

The Court of Appeals,

declined to hear the case.

Allen was ordered

to pay more than one million dollars

in Mia Farrow's legal fees.

Although the custody case

had been settled,

the criminal investigation

in Connecticut was still continuing.

Are you concerned?

I don't know. I have no idea

what Connecticut is going to do.

I don't even know

all the information they have.

They have been very diligent.

I think they are also acting

as best they can to protect

the children in this family.

My instructions

to the Connecticut State Police was:

"Gather your evidence and submit

to me an arrest warrant application."

The decision as to whether or not

there was going to be a prosecution

was my decision.

Maco's team had compiled 1700 pages

of evidentiary material,

including witness statements,

logs of the physical evidence

collected by police,

forensic reports,

maps of the crime scene,

and reports of interviews

with all of the people involved.

Among the state's evidence

were records of a police interview

with Woody Allen,

where he was inconsistent

about whether he had ever been

in the attic crawlspace area,

and interviews with Dylan by three

clinically-trained child-abuse experts

from different government agencies,

all of whom found Dylan

to be consistent, honest,

and believed

she was telling the truth.

The conclusion

of these investigators

was there was probable cause to issue

an arrest warrant for Woody Allen

on the charges of first-and fourth

degree sexual as*ault of a minor.

I was confident

there was probable cause,

meaning reasonable grounds

to believe a crime was committed.

But I have to prove my case

beyond a reasonable doubt,

and I can't prove a case beyond

a reasonable doubt without a child.

In other words, could this child

be my first witness on the stand

to say what had occurred?

This case hinged on the testimony

of a seven-year-old girl.

Woody Allen denies

ever having been sexually inappropriate

or a*usive with Dylan

and was never criminally charged.

Dr. John Leventhal declined

to be interviewed for this project.

Jennifer Sawyer did not response

to request to be interviewed.