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01x04 - Gangs of Chicago

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Jamali Maddix: Follow the Leader". Aired: September 17, 2024.*
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The comedian and documentary maker spends time with leaders and key figures in growing communities on the fringes of the mainstream to find out just why they inspire such devotion among followers.

01x04 - Gangs of Chicago

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You see them guys that

you saw in the block?Yeah.

Are they your boys, or are you..?

Yeah. Those are all my shorties.

Yeah.But I don't trust nobody

as far as I can throw them.

You don't trust your own g*ng?

Hell, no.

They'll k*ll me first.

I got to look at my MUM sideways,

sometimes.

Your mum?Yeah.

LAUGHING: Why are you gonna

look at your mum sideways?

You never know.

THEY LAUGH

You never f*cking know.

What drives someone to join

extreme groups and subcultures?

THEY RAP

And what do their leaders promise?

I'm immersing myself in

fringe groups to understand

the real motivations

behind their beliefs.

Cobras, Maniacs, SDs

we all hang out.

It's on who WE want to rock with.

I'm in Chicago to explore

a dramatic new era

for its infamous g*ng underworld.

We sh**ting this gangland sh*t.

The g*ng leaders of old

have been put in prison

Hands behind your back!

..and it's thrown the streets

into chaos of warring cliques.

Stop, stop! Do not move!

COMMOTION

With violence and incarceration

at all time highs

Hs the lack of leadership

made the streets more violent?

Of course.

Now they k*ll you and your kid.

..in a city without g*ng leaders,

where g*ng law is no longer

offered protection

It ain't like that, how the old

gangs used to be back in the day.

Everybody just run

just run around, chaos.

..can new role models

offer a different path?

I'm not gonna lie,

cos I need structure.

I've chosen to give up the lot,

to walk in my truth.

Or are Chicago's disenfranchised

men destined for death on the streets

or a life behind bars?

Do you feel like there

is an alternative?

Honestly, I have no idea.

Jamali.Sergeant Cutts.

Sergeant Cutts.

Pleasure to meet you.It says here,

"Has the prisoner been searched?"

What have you found?

Oh, I've found drugs,

um, heroin in their mouths.

I found, one time, one person had

a marijuana packet in his shoe.

Wow.Officer never caught it.

He was trying to enjoy his evening.

Not on your watch.

So it happens.Yeah.

Now go ahead and step up there.

Looks pricey.Yep.

I'm entering DuPage County

Correctional Facility,

which houses inmates

awaiting trial and sentencing.

Be ready.Be ready for what?

For whatever you see.

Some of its 700-odd detainees

have been here

for as long as six years.

The majority of them

are g*ng members.

My guides are Sergeant Cutts

and the g*ng Classification Unit

..which identifies g*ng members

on arrival,

and prevents violence on the inside.

I gonna bring him in if it's OK,

if y'all are willing to talk.

This is Jamali.

Can I ask you about your tattoos?

Yeah I'm from the Surenos.

Is there a lot of that g*ng

in the jail?

No, I'm the only one.

Because you're a different

g*ng to him?Yeah, I'm different.

I'm a Latin Count.

See, I got it right here.

You're an AB?

Yeah, I'm from Florida, though

So is there a lot of Aryan

Brotherhoods here?

No.

No, not really.

It's more spiritual now.

We follow Norse mythology.

What do you guys think of people

leaving the gangs?

This is for life.

We mark for life.

Yeah.

So there's no way to

..to get away.

Everywhere you go,

they're gonna follow you.

The jail clearly has committed

g*ng members

who don't see any alternative.

SPEECH UNCLEAR

The g*ng Classification Unit

has to work around the clock.

So they need to investigate

the situation.

Investigate the situation?

Yes.What's happened?

Somebody got word that somebody

in the pod was trying to stab him.

Is it over g*ng stuff,

do you think, or..?

Well, that's what he's saying.

That's what's on his report.

Mr Sutton, how are you?

I'm all right.Good.

Sutton is a gangster disciple,

or a GD,

and he's allegedly under threat

from a member of his own g*ng.

The unit will now review the incident

for safety and security.

Um, you want to talk about

what happened yesterday?

Two individuals had moved

over there from

..the neighbourhood I'm from.

I don't know his real name,

but Meech,

word got back to me that he supposed

to be going to shank me.

So you're both GDs,

but you don't like each other?Yep.

Put it like that.

I could be a GD,

but I could be an insane GD,

or MGD

It ain't like that, how the old

gangs used to be back in the day.

Like, we can be cool, but that don't

mean you won't do something

behind my back to have somebody else

try to do something to me.

Yeah. That sounds like

it'd be quite

..it's quite paranoid-inducing.Yeah.

You can't really trust

no-one in here.

Can't trust nobody in the world,

neither.

Soyou can't trust nobody,

nowhere you go.

We're gonna move you

in a little bit.

Sergeant Weiner

will find you a new home.

It must be hard to police.

Yeah.You know what I'm saying?

Because I guess, before,

it used to be just,

"The Latin Kings have beef with

these guys. All right. Cool."

But now, it's just like you got to

Yeah.You got GDs fighting GDs.

It's hard to

And it could change, you know,

at the drop of a hat.

Yeah.

Is it normal that all the knives

are attached to metal here?

Locked to the table.

Does it feel weird being an adult

but not being trusted with a knife?

Yeah.

The g*ng Classification Unit

now needs to meet the man

who's accused of threatening Sutton.

Mr Grant.

But I'm surprised to find out

that Grant is just 20 years old

I'm Jamali, brother.

How you doing, buddy?

Are you good, yeah?Good to meet you.

..and has been in jail for a month.

All right, Mr Grant.

So what happened,

uh, was it Friday,

that you, uh, you're on this report?

What?Mm-hm.

You don't know nothing about it?

Nah.Come on, man.

I don't know nothing.

You got put on report, man.

Some people were causing

issues over there,

or what's the deal?

Nah, nothing be going on.

Everybody just be chilling.

Everybody be having fun

with each other.

Nobody messing with individuals?

No, nothing be going on.

You know, when you came in, we

spoke about your tattoos and stuff.

Yeah, um

What tattoos do you have?

I got BDK on one side

What does BDK mean?

Uh, stands for

Black Disciple k*ller.

Grant has enemies

both within his own g*ng

and with long-established rival

gangs, like the Black Disciples.

Do Black Disciples

not see your tattoo

and have a problem with it in here?

They see it and nobody said

nothing so far about it.

Is this your first time in jail?

Yeah, this is my first time.

What's the charge?I got g*n charges.

OK.I've been through a lot of stuff.

I've been shot at before.

I've been stabbed right here.

Oh, right in the centre of the chest?

Yeah, they stabbed me with a knife.

How long do you think

you could be here for?

Probably a year or three.

Three years?Yeah.

That's a long time.

Yeah. That's what comes with it,

with being a g*ng member

and trying to make sure

that you're protected at all times.

But you're already on separation

from somebody, I can tell.

And you ain't been here that long.

Well, I ain't even know

So something happened.

I ain't even know who

I'm on separation from.

Ooh

They ain't even telling me who.

I'm still trying to find out

who I'm on separation from.

Well, you already know, man.

I already told you.

Don't get in no problems no more,

man.

It's only been a month

you've been in jail.

I ain't even know what I got

the yellow wristband for.

You got a yellow wristband.

Is that what you thought

would happen?

Yeah. He wasn't gonna say much.

He knows what it is.

Yeah, he knows who you talking about?

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

He has to know.

Grant doesn't feel

like a k*ller to me,

but he's definitely an active GD in

a pod filled with other gangsters.

I like that everyone

Everyone did g*ng signs,

and then one guy

just went like this

One guy just went, "You all right?"

HE LAUGHS

As a young first timer, I wonder

whether he has to make wild threats

as a defence mechanism,

especially in the presence

of people from his set.

If their peoples are in here

and it's like,

follow the Follow the leader.

This guy's been here longer

than I have,

so I'm just gonnago and do

exactly what he's doing,

because that's my boy,

so I got to do what he does.

Historically, inmates sought

the protection of gangs

and their leaders in jail.

With the collapse of

traditional g*ng structures,

some detainees in DuPage have

opted for a new protection strategy.

This is not a zoo.

This is a facility where we

learn and create opportunities.

Enter the JUST programme

and renounce your g*ng ties.

Sheriff Mendrick has fought for this

progressive programme to exist

in the grey of the American

jail system.

It's gonna teach you a life skill

that you're going to be able to

take out of here

and be very successful.

This is a class that I myself

would like to take.

Hey, what's going on?

I'm Jamali.Nicholas.Nice to

meet you. How are you doing, bro?

And for hardened criminals like Nick,

it's also a way to

reduce your sentence.

How long have you been here?

Going on two years.

Nick is 32 and staring down

the barrel of a 35-year stint.

And what's the charge?

Armed Habitual Criminal.

Armed violence.

What g*ng you in?

I'm a Spanish Gangster Disciple.

They won't let me go upstairs

to the programme.

Oh, they won't let you

go to the programme?No,

because of my g*ng affiliation.

But isn't the programme for gangs?

Yeah, but a lot of them

guys up there

have been out of the gangs

for a while.

I was still participating in a lot

of this sh*t when I was out there.

Are you still in the g*ng now,

would you say?

Now? I mean, I am.

Mike Beary.

Your turn to go.

OFFICER CHUCKLES

How you been?

I'm doing good. How about yourself?

Pretty good.

All of the JUST candidates

must first be vetted by the director

of the programme, Mike.

Mike only has room for 30,

so new places are rare.

OK. All these stories about you.

Some people, they don't like you.

Mike, I haven't been in trouble

since I've been in here,

so I don't know

You ain't got no tickets?

I got once

Two tickets for wristband.

I've never been in no

I don't know where they

keep getting this from.

You were saying that a lot of people

don't want him on the course?

They don't. His reputation is

is a bit of a problem.

AndHow would you describe

what his reputation !sis like?

Well, I'm told that he's still

actively being into life.

Mm.

But he's going to classes

all the time.

The guys that are in there

with him, they vouch for him.

So do you not want to be a GD?

I don't.

Everything that I've been doing

has obviously been wrong.

So I have to try a different route.

Yeah.

You got to be sick and tired

of this.I am.

I feel like it's going to be prison

for the rest of my life,

and I can'tand I can't keep

..I can't do that.

I can't do that.

If I put you on there, uh,

a couple people are sticking

their necks out for you.

Yeah.So any g*ng activity

and, uh, I'll put you out.

100%.You got me?I got you.

100%.All right.

I'll, uh, I'll push for you

to get you in.

Unless somebody comes up with

something I don't know about.

I appreciate it, thank you.

I'll talk to you.All right.

I'll let Cutts know.All right.

And, um, we'll go from there.

Good?There you go. Yeah.

Happy with that?Yeah. Yes, sir.

Are you gonna let him

on the programme?

Sergeant Cutts has to do

a deep background,

make sure that everything

he's told me is true.

Do you think he'll benefit off it?

Hugely.

He's somebody that can be

moulded by his environment

that he goes into.

I manage the pod using

social control by the other men.

So you've kind of got to use

structure of the gangs.

Exactly. You got it.

If he doesn't change his life, what

do you think will happen to him?

He'll catch another charge

and then he'll get 30-plus years

and he'll die an old man.

Mike seems to be offering a genuine

way out of Chicago's violence.

Perfect. All right.See you

tomorrow.All right.Thank you.

See you later, guys. See you later.

See you later.

But while Nick has had enough,

the much younger Grant remains

in the grip of deadly g*ng politics.

I've come to the streets

of Chicago to see how it all got

so chaotic and dangerous.

MEN RAP IN UNISON

On the south side of Chicago,

DD, 30, and his crew of teenagers

are sh**ting the music video

for their next song.

RAPPING CONTINUES

How did that go?

That good?Yeah.Yeah.

How old are they?

How old are you?15.

Cheeto, how old are you?14.

The reality on the street now

is that 14-year-olds

have what appear to be

handguns with extended clips.

Let me get your number.

How have we got here?

DOG BARKS

That dog ain't having

none of it, bro. f*cking hell.

DD and 30 belong to a clique

they call 15 hundred.

They're young, innit? Why they

got so many straps in the video?

Yeah, you got to.You got to.

It ain't easy It ain't easy

to be on, like, no menace.

It's, like, to protect yourself?

Yeah.This is our everyday life.

Yeah.Everybody just run around,

chaos. You see what I'm saying?

Is it chaos right now?

Yeah. It's chaos.

Yeah.Yeah.

It ain't no real leadership.

There ain't nobody, no chief,

nonone of that.

Ain't no ambassadors.

There ain't no control.

What happened to the leader?

They said they locked him up.

Do you feel dangerous

as being outside?

This right out here, yeah. This

right here, right now, is dangerous.

Going to restaurants,

that's dangerous.

Going to laundrettes, dangerous.

Going to funerals, dangerous.

We move like the military.

We move

We don't do no loose sh*t.

We really move like the military,

type sh*t.

You don't ever worry about jail?

Nah, we ain't worried about no jail.

I'd rather be in the field

than dead.

Arresting all the g*ng leaders

may have backfired

INDISTINC

..creating a power vacuum

that has only bred more violence.

Thank you, man. Appreciate it.

These kids see jail as an inevitable,

and perhaps even safer

than on the outside.

He's a big homie.

If anything go down, he's a leader.

But if the streets are so deadly,

with no leaders to inspire,

what keeps the youth

in the g*ng life?

Across town,

I'm meeting older g*ng members

further along in their journey.

RAP MUSIC

C-Money Is a 25-year-old rapper

from the west Side of Chicago.

C-Money.C-Money?

How you doing?Good.

How about yourself?

I'm all right, bro.

Thanks for asking, man.

# That's what I call myself

# Young n*gga

Go out, jump in the crowd #

He's already been shot twice,

with the second incident causing

partial paralysis

from the waist down.

Oh, yeah, that's hard.That's hard?

He's now going through physio

to try and walk properly again.

Oh, that m*therf*cker right there,

boy

I'm interested to see what still

draws C-Money to the streets

despite his brush with death.

So he's agreed to take us on a tour

of his clique's neighbourhood.

Where we're headed right now

is one of my guys neighbourhoods.

Yeah, yeah.

It's reckless, though.

They real Hispanics.

Do you work now?

Do I work?Yeah.

How do you sustain

How do you pay for your life?

Like, how do you

look after yourself?

Would you rather not say?

I mean, I make money the same way

any other street m*therf*cker

out here make money.

All right.So, like

JAMALI LAUGHS

Crypto investment!There's so many

so many ways to make money,

you knowWeb-designing.

You do the math.

This specific street right here

This m*therf*cker right here

is so hot.

We getting out right here?

Welcome to Chicago.

Is this is your neighbourhood?

This is my neighbourhood.

Welcome to gangland, b*tch.

The Spanish Cobras neighbourhood.

C's friend is from an opposing

g*ng, but has joined C's clique

Money g*ng Mafia.

How's it going, bro?

In many ways, they are the embodiment

of the new g*ng reality

on the streets,

hanging in a crew made up

of g*ng members

who are supposed to be enemies.

He a King, Cobras, maniacs,

SDs and we all hang out.

It's on who we want to rock with.

Even when the police pull us over,

they're like, what the f*ck?

Why are y'all together?

Y'all in all different type

of gangs?

What the f*ck? Don't make no sense.

That's just how we roll.

I don't know if

Have you been in jail?

Yeah, I just got out.

I'm on house arrest right now.

Oh, they got you on the tag.

I'm on the house arrest band

right now.

Oh, sh*t.Yeah.

Yeah.Has the lack of leadership

made the streets more violent?

Of course, because if

there was structure,

the kids wouldn't be k*lling kids.

You know what I mean?

What was the rules

when there was leaders?

You can't f*ck with nobody's kids.

If the dude's with his family,

leave him alone.

Now, m*therf*ckers will k*ll

you and your kid.

Apparently, even ten minutes

outside in this area was dangerous,

so we move on.

You see them guys that

you saw on the block?

Yeah.Are they your boys?Yeah.

Those are Those are my shorties.

Yeah.But I don't trust nobody

as far as I can throw them.

You don't trust your own g*ng?

Hell, no.

They'll k*ll me first.

I got to look at my mum sideways,

sometimes.Your mum?

Yeah.Why are you gonna

look at your mum sideways?

You never know.

THEY LAUGH

You never f*cking know.

Yeah, man.She can wake up

No, she can

So it's like, you gotta be careful.

Now you gonna make me paranoid

about my mum.

I'm like, Mum, what are you plotting?

You know, what are you

What are you plotting on, Mum?

This is Humboldt Park right here.

This is where I grew up,

right here. This little area.

This is near where you got shot?

Yeah.Whereabouts..?

I got shot on the other side,

a couple blocks that way.

Couple blocks this way?Yeah.

Man, it f*cked me up.

I thought he was going to die.

I ain't gonna lie to you.

sh*t, I thought I was gonna die.

If he didn't get shot, that b*llet

would have hit me

in the back of the head.

How does that make you feel?

That's why I love him.

I love him 100%. That's my brother.

You know what I mean?

He took a b*llet for me.

You've seen the bad side.

This is the good side.

This is where you can

live life and chill

and don't have to worry

about the gangs.

When you come out here now,

you look at the sea,

what does it say to you?

What do you think about?

I love my city.Yeah?

It sounds like your city has caused

a lot of hassle for you, though.

Being the same age as you,

it sounds like stress

I wouldn't want to deal with

at my age.

Do you know what I'm saying, though?

I grew up too fast.

Yeah. I raised myself

since a shorty.

My mum was doing drugs.

My pops wasn't around.

That's why I turned to the streets,

because I ain't had that love

or that guidance that I wanted.

I thought the n*gg*s that I was

hanging out with, they loved me,

you know what I mean?

I grew up to realise

they backstabbed us too.

Who do you think the young

people look up to now?

m*therf*ckers just

getting the most money.

Oh, yeah, I feel like that's who

That's definitely who all

the younger guys follow.

They want the nice cars.

They want the girls.

They want all of it.

That's just how it is over here.

Everybody trying

to be in competition

when they really don't

have to be like that.

Money, instead of

leadership or protection,

now seems to be the main motivator

to join a g*ng.

Thank you for your time. Well done.

You look after yourself.

Appreciate that.

I hope you recover well, man.

Appreciate you, man.

Thank you.

This is an inevitable and

important grab for young men

growing up in the forgotten

projects of Chicago.

Hey, buddy. Bank road and drug

code. That's what we do.

Bank road and drug code.

Both of the gangs I met

on the outside

seem to agree on one thing

Are you ready, C?Yeah. Let's ride.

..that they never had an alternative.

When I first arrived at DuPage,

Grant seemed to be

just as resigned to his fate

as the young men on the street.

But given the opportunity,

would he ever consider

leaving the g*ng life behind?

How you been?I've been good.

How about you, man?

I'm all right.

Did you have any more issues?

No. My separation from somebody

cos he just wanted

to leave the pod.

He said he felt threatened by me.

Oh, you think he just wanted

to get out of the pod?

Yeah.

Would you say, right now,

you're an active g*ng member?

I still am.

Do you think you'll ever stop?

Probably not.

Because, you know they've

got, like, a programme here

called JUST programme, where

they get people out of gangs?

You wouldn't do that programme?

If it's more easier for me to get

out of class or get out of here,

I have to. I have to do what

I have to do to get out.

But you would still g*ng-bang when

you went on the streets, you think?

Probably.

It seems like Grant would

only enter the JUST programme

as a means to shorten his sentence.

See you later.

It makes me wonder if it's true,

if some inmates are playing dumb

about their g*ng ties

for a chance to enter the programme.

Can you hear me?Yeah.

Gangs in Chicago is what this film

is about.

No, gangs.

Gangs, gangs.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, he's f*cking with me.

I really thought I really thought

he couldn't hear me.

When I met Nick Turberville,

I thought he was sincere

about wanting to change.

But during Sergeant Cutts"

security investigation,

something's come up.

INDISTINCT AUDIO ON VIDEO

So this is Turberville, talking

to somebody else outside.

Now he's going to hand the phone

over to Jaime Carrillo.

INDISTINC

Go back just one step right there.

I got you.What did he say?

INDISTINC

He's gonna drop the C.

Yeah. He's dropping the Latin Count.

But hehe is a Latin Count,

though.

He is a Latin Count.

And he's throwing it down again.

What does "throw down" mean?

When you're in a gangYeah.

..whatever the g*ng signs are,

you throw them up.

Yeah.When you're dissing a g*ng,

you throw them down.

So he basically recruited him.

I mean, if you're trying to change,

you wouldn't be facilitating

moves for people

inside the jail, right?

I meanI would think.

Where is he at? 3T? 3U?

Hey, it's Colossa. How are you?

I need Turberville out of 3U pod.

How are you?I'm good.

How about yourself?Good, man.

All right, so

I'm gonna throw you a lifeline.

OK? So hear me clear.Yes, sir.

Everything that you're about to say

has to be truth and honesty,

because I can't play witness.

So I want to ask you

a few questions.

Tell me about something

you think I probably seen

that I probably wouldn't like.

For the past two weeks,

any phone calls?

Anybody that you connected

with on

For the past two weeks? No.

For the past two weeks?No.

OK.You've never tried to be a big

brother to anybody on your pod,

trying to maybeto recruit him,

you know?

No.Not at all?No.

This is your chance to talk

with the truth,

if there's anything

that you remember?

No video chat with nobody?

Not in the pastNothing?

No.Not in the past two weeks,

you said that.

But what about the past month?

Yeah.All right.

I had good intentions behind it.

It wasn't It wasn't just to

try to recruit him.

I felt bad for the kid.

He was 18 years old. First case

Got a daughter, he started crying.

He kept getting bullied.

So I said, "I got youI got you."

That's not your problem.

That's our problem.

Your job is to worry about yourself.

KidsIt doesn't matter.

You got to give it up.

The way you were doing it

isn't working.Nope.

That programme offers

the right environment.

As long as I get in the door,

I'm good.

That's all I need.

We'll still be making the decision

at some point in time.

We still have things that we have

to finish talking and figuring out.

It's weird because there's something

quite sad about it all, innit?

You know what I mean? Something

quite disappointing about it,

and I'm not saying it's right,

but it's that

He has a whole culture of stuff

where what he's doing

is right within that culture.

Like, the guy's getting bullied,

I'm gonna make him

throw down the g*ng sign.

In his culture it's right,

and in his culture,

he is doing a good thing.

All right.

welcome to Poems From The Pen.

Every day that I come here

to the DuPage County Jail,

every time I have snuck

a weapon past the guards.

Oh, it's true.

You guys didn't find it.

It was here with me

the WHOLE time

..and I snuck it in today, too.

Every time we hold

the Poems From The Pen session,

we break out of here.

We leave the DuPage County Jail

..and we do it with our minds.

It's all about healing,

growing, connecting,

and learning through

the power of the words.

I feel angry,

I feel sad,

I feel joyful,

I feel bad.

This is a pod that we converted.

It used to be a housing.

We converted it to

a hydroponics lab.

Mike's finally taking me

on a tour of the oasis upstairs,

the JUST programme.

This guy's just reading

a nice book and that.

Exactly, because I give them

a whole library.

This is the easiest place

in the jail to work by far,

because we don't have problems.

Ahlike a greenhouse.

Marquel Williams.

Can you re-enact that speech

you did for the graduation?

Um Lettuce.

Lettuce don't like a lot of sun,

or else it'll wilt.

Tomato plants like the sun.

And they grow tall, so they provide

a shadefor the lettuce.

The Creator, he has a way

of planting us

in environments where we're

planted around the right people,

right place, right time.

So what does this tattoo mean

that you're getting covered up?

What are you covering it with?

Why are you getting a lion's head?

How many kids you got?

I got eight total.

You got eight kids?

How do you spend so much

time in prison

but then have time

to have eight kids, bruv?

Every time Every time I get out

of prison, I have a new kid.

Yeah, bro.

Gilbert, you want to give him

a tour?

JAMALI LAUGHS

This is what I plan on having,

a nice car.

You know, that comes with

everything will fall in line.

In the vision boards, they need to

reprogramme themselves,

as far as, what does the life

look like that they want?

That's, part of, like, the rules of

the programme,

you have to do a vision board?

Yes.Yeah.

And this, what does

the whale represent?

The whale is just

You want to see a whale?

That would be nice Just,

like, freedom. Just, likeOK.

Travelling.Yeah.Going somewhere.

Have a jet ski.

We work with their deep,

subconscious beliefs

about who they are.

And I know once I leave here,

as well, I have Mike Beary.

I have the staff, that

they provide jobs.

They provide

It doesn't stop here.

They help you when you get out.

When are you expecting to get out?

By the grace of God,

the end of this month.

When I go to trial. Beat it.

Is there a chance that

none of that could work

and he could end up in the Feds,

max security?

Possible, yeah.

I mean, the systems will eat you up.

They're very inhuman,

and that is a horrible place to go,

if you're in maximum security.

Hope for the best,

pray for the worst.

Exactly. And prepare him for both.

Ready for your decision?

I feel like

SPEECH INDISTINC

So you think it's a no?

Well, you're going to talk

to Sergeant Cutts and Jamali.

Nice to see you, man.

What's up, man?

Listen, your situation

was a hard situation,

so I'm not going to tell

you no story.

I had to push this one up.

You want me to read it to you?

Yeah, go on.

All right.

The listed inmate has been

authorised to participate

in the JUST assistance programme.

OK?Cool.This is it.

How you feel?I really don't

want to say too much because

..that's what people are expecting,

you know?

So you really got to just show 'em.

So we're going to go back

in your pod.

We're gonna pack your stuff.

OK? They're gonna film it.

Can I go and do the floor first?

UhWhat do you mean?

Like, we're all walking in there

together right now?

You're going to walk together,

yeah.Yeah.

All right. They just probably

want to mic you up,

so he can probably talk to you

while you're in there.

I got a lot of stuff.I know.

Like, everything?

You want to leave

some stuff in the cells?No,

I'm saying, like you're gonna

film me packing EVERYTHING?

I don't know ifOnce I get up to

his cell, then you could start.

I'm still curious

about Nick's motives.

TOILET FLUSHES

Do you mind if I step in, bro?

Uh, yeah.

You sure?

Yeah, my cell a little dirty.

That's all right, bro.

TOILET FLUSHES

PRODUCER:

He doesn't seem very happy.

No?

Nick, are you happy about this?

Yeah.You don't seem happy.

No.

No, yeahThis is like

It came as a surprise because

we just had a talk this morning.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

So I didn't

But normally, you know when people

are surprised, they're still happy.

No, I'm happy.

It was, like, a surprise for you

sort of is, like,

still, kind of, not happy.

HE EXHALES

INMATES CHEER

HECKLING

I know how you live.

Why Why does he not seem happy?

I'll be honest.

He almost made ME nervous.

He was very cautious

about his things.

It's like that sometimes.

I'm gonna be on his tail.

I'm not playing.

Yeah, I can tell.

Don't worry about that.

We all know that.

No, no No questioning

Yeahif Sergeant Cutts

is playing games.

I'm gonna go help him.

Now that he has the leadership

he craves,

I wonder whether he will

really change

..or if he'll be tempted back

to the only life he's ever known.

It's my final day at the DuPage

County Correctional Facility.

I want to meet Grant one last time

away from his pod

to see if he will speak more openly.

What's up, buddy? How are you doing?

Good. Yeah, I'm doing good.

What you been up to?

Just barely started waking up.

Do you wake up for breakfast?

I got to wake up for breakfast

cos I get meds at that time.

I got PTSD,

then I deal with anti-depress

I deal with a little bit

of depression.

Yeah?Yeah.

What's it like being in jail?

Yeah, I got used to it

within three weeks.

And does it bother you

being here, now?

No.No.

Do you think that is ever

gonna be a time

where it's gonna be too late, though?

Cos I've been doing this,

like, in the jail,

and like, all of the guys

who are, like, 30s,

like, 40s, like, they left it

and they like, you know,

they say it ruined their life.

Don't you ever worry that's

what's going to happen to you?

I don't really think about it

like that.

I don't really look

towards the future.

I just look towards the present

on what I got to do.

Are you happy with your life?

I wouldn't say I'm happy

with my life.

I could have done way more stuff

than just g*ng-bang sh*t.

I ain't even finished high school

and I ain't even have

a full high-school life.

Everybody said that

I missed out on prom,

I missed out on homecoming.

Everybody that I was g*ng-banging

with either flipped on me

or they don't even talk

to me no more.

It's just confusing to why

you still do it then,

or why you still go hard with it

if they don't care about you.

I guess I'll never understand.

I'll never understand, either.

I don'tI don't understand myself

why I still do it.

I'm just tired of doing this sh*t.

I just want to move to

the countryside in Kentucky.

I got family out there, so

When you imagine that house

in Kentucky, what do you do?

Probably just ride

a dirt bike around,

just havehave a whole lot of fun.

That's what I want to do,

is just have fun.

Sounds half like you want to be

..you want a g*ng bang,

and then half of it sounds like

you don't want to.

And they're two

very different things.

I don't think you can be the same.

Do you feel like there is

an alternative?

Honestly I have no idea.

Blue line.

Blue line, blue line.

Damn, you even have ME

on the blue line.

I was like

THEY LAUGHS

..let me jump off this blue line,

bro.

LAUGHTER CONTINUES

This particular morning is a huge

day for Gilbert, Marquel,

Andre and Alex. They've been

taken outside for gardening.

It's always a good feeling

to go outside.

Can you make it in? Squeeze it in.

Only JUST participants are

permitted to go outside in DuPage,

and even then, it's a rare event.

Man, that feels so good.

Whoo! Man

In London,

I believe they call it coriander.

Yeah.Yeah, it's strong.

It's especially a good day

for Gilbert.

He's just received some news.

I got called to court on Thursday,

and certain evidence that they had

had fallen through.

They cannot use it, so that

enhanced my chances

of going home even more.

How does that feel?

It just feels amazing.

It feels amazing, man.

Mike was telling me that you was,

like, one of the big reasons

that Nick got on to the course.

That's correct.How come?

Why did you want Nick to get in?

He's one foot in, one foot out.

And so I could relate to him.

And I felt like I could be a good

mentor to him

and hopefully pull him out

and show him that,

you know, there's hope.

I'm using my leadership

in a good way now, man,

because I've misled a lot of people.

You've been putting people

in the g*ng and that?

Yeah, just

..acting like the stuff I was doing

was cool andit wasn't.

Do you think the young people

understand that?

No, I think they

It's something they need to

go through.

Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of,

um, confused young men.

You know what I mean?

I appreciate you, man.

Appreciate you, Jamali.

Thank you, man. God bless.

Good luck on the outside, man.

Thank you. Soon.

You start it right here,

and then as it goes down,

you open this

Gilbert may be getting out soon,

and if Mike's plan is successful,

he will serve as a new source

of inspiration in the community

to show another path to the young.

But even Gilbert himself has

a fatal belief that young people

can only learn through

their own tragic experiences.

Hey, bro.How you doing?

Nice to see you, bro.Yeah.

Since I met him

at the recording studio,

15-year-old DD has been

put under house arrest.

I see you got a little bit extra

jewellery on, now.Yeah.

Look. Some gear.Some extra gear?

Yeah.

Before I leave Chicago, I want

to see if he's really resigned

to a life of incarceration,

or whether he will learn

from the mistakes

of the generation above him.

Can I ask what happened?

Oh, something about driving.

I don't really want to

get into too much detail.

They say you stole a car.

Something like that.Yeah.

Yeah, something like that.

Being in jail for

the rest of your life -

which is possible -

is it worth it?

I just want to go through

these experiences

You want to?..for myself. Yeah.

You want to experience

what it's like in jail and

No, not even like that.

It just, it's like I'm still

stuck in my old ways.

What do you think

the future could be,

if you was to sort of, like,

carry on what you're doing?

Jail time.

Mm.

Grey yards.

But I don't want to just

be in the streets. Like a year ago.

I probably wouldn't know

about stuff like this

What, documentaries and that?

Yeah.

How do you think about

my interview skills?

Mm. It's pretty decent.

Pretty decent.I like it.

JAMALI LAUGHS

You like to make people

laugh and stuff, right?

Sometimes, yeah.Yeah.

I see that. That's That's funny.

Yeah?Yeah.You don't

You're not

You're not easy to make

laugh, you know that?

Yeah. It's a It's a laugh,

then get back to business.

But if it's something funny,

yeah

Cos you're quite You're quite

serious for a young person,

you know that?Yeah.

It was like my middle school days.

That's when it was like

my kid stages.

I started learning two months

for my age.

It was just like, I'm 21,

but I'm 15.

Do you think the life

that you've lived

and the stuff you've seen

and stuff you've experienced,

did it k*ll the kid inside you?

Yeah, mostmost definitely.

That's kind of sad, no?

Yeah.

During my time spent in Chicago

with these young men,

there's an overwhelming sense

of despair and sadness,

seeing men trapped in a cycle

of violence and poverty.

Heavy with the burden of

the blame of society's woes,

who can often at times

feel destined to fall prey

to the privatised prison system

already designed to exploit

their failings.

I think the system is really

looking at this all wrong.

They dump all the resources

into the kids

and a lot of these kids

are not ready.

We put money into

some of these older guys

that have the life experience,

helped them get on their feet,

get successful.

They, in turn, will go back

and get the kids out,

cos the kids will listen to them.

What I've seen Mike do

in the JUST programme

feels like a glimmer of hope

amongst the rubble.

He sees humanity in people

who are too often judged

as cardboard cut-out villains,

unworthy of forgiveness.

I'm all right. How are you doing?

Yeah. Good, man.

The new generation of leaders

I've met on the inside

are showing a different path

out of the system

for those who are willing to take it.

Everybody say, "Hope and purpose."

Ready? Three, two, one

Oh, what up, dude?!

Nice to see you, bro!

Welcome home, dude!