01x04 - Echoes of a Crime

[bunniefuu]

[tense music builds]

LAST DAY OF TRIAL

[reporter 1] Elize Matsunaga's trial

is almost over

[reporter 2] After seven days of trial,

it's considered one of the longest

in the history of São Paulo.

[Elize Matsunaga]

I knew there would be reporters there,

but I didn't think

there would be that many.

This line at Barra Funda Criminal Court

is made up of people who want to follow

I even asked myself, "Why?"

"Why are they so interested?"

[reporter 3] What sentence

does she deserve for k*lling her husband

[reporter 4]

Elize k*lled her husband for money.

[reporter 5]

She used to be a luxury escort

[reporter 6] One of the most

famous murderers in the country.

[Paula] This one reporter said,

"Wow, this is the last famous crime

going to trial."

She said, "Well, we need to make

another crime a big hit now."

I felt like

that is the power of the press.

It's a notorious crime.

In a way,

we're the ones who made it famous.

[dramatic music playing]

[Thaís] After all,

who is Elize Matsunaga?

To answer that question,

we went to her hometown.

Chopinzinho is located

in southwestern Paraná,

250 miles from the capital.

I went to Chopinzinho

just before the trial.

The arrival of a TV crew

with all that equipment,

cameras, microphone,

drew attention.

At first, my strategy

was talking to people

who were connected to Elize,

but not part of her family.

CHOPINZINHO

COUNTRYSIDE OF PARANÁ

[woman] I knew her mom,

but I didn't know she was her mother.

She'd never mentioned it.

But the driver told me. He said,

"She is the mother of that woman

who k*lled her husband in São Paulo."

And she showed up.

And when I saw her, I thought,

"Wow, her mom is really dark-skinned."

And she was a person that

She looked so pretty, her eyes

[woman 2] I used to work with her sister

over in the hospital.

All I remember is seeing the footage

of her taking the bags to the

What is it called? The

I forgot what it's called.

Oh, yeah, to the elevator.

Yeah, that's when we saw she k*lled him

and dismembered him.

That was it.

[interviewer]

Did people talk about it here?

Yes. Yes, they did.

Because she was born here.

- People talked a lot. A lot.

- [dog whines]

What if he threatened her

or did something to her?

She'd have to defend herself.

There's that, too.

When they heard about Chopinzinho,

people thought

of the Elize Matsunaga case,

the woman who chopped up the Yoki guy.

[Elize] It's a really small town.

It's inevitable that people talk

and point fingers.

Seeing my family in that situation,

running away from reporters

I remember my sister had to leave work

through the back door.

[Thaís] Visiting the house

where Elize grew up

was the last thing I did.

And I think reporters develop

some kind of instinct.

We came here

looking for Elize Matsunaga's relatives.

They used to live here, right?

[man] They did, but not anymore.

[Thaís] Not even her sister, uncle

No?

This man says he doesn't know her

but he's actually her stepfather.

He dodges the questions and seems to be

uncomfortable with the subject.

Do you happen to know

where her family is living now?

No, ma'am. I don't know

where they're living now.

[Thaís] I don't know

if it was the way he looked at me,

or the way he behaved,

but something was weird.

I called Elize's lawyer and asked him,

"Luciano, is there something

about the relationship

between Elize and her stepfather

that might be important to this case?"

And then he told me about it

under the condition that I didn't publish

anything about it at that moment,

because he intended

to reveal that in court.

[camera shutters clicking]

[suspenseful music playing]

[Luciano] My strategy in court

was to show the jury who Elize was.

I wanted it to be as long as possible

to drive the jury away

from the image they'd seen on TV.

[D'Urso] When there is a repercussion

on a lawsuit

that is widely publicized in advance,

the jury already had information

they'd gotten way before.

[gavel banging]

That is to say,

I need to humanize Elize for the jury.

[judge] Tell me this,

what is your hometown?

- Chopinzinho.

- State?

Paraná.

And your life there

modest, rich? Financially speaking.

My life was modest.

[Luciano] Elize went through

ups and downs.

And I wanted to show them her life

has never been a straight line. Never.

[judge] Did you live with your parents?

When my dad left my mom,

I moved in with my grandparents.

[Luciano] What did I need

to show the jury?

That her father abandoned her

when she was three.

Her mom had to leave town

to find a job as a housekeeper

in the capital.

When her mom comes back,

she's with her stepfather.

Her stepfather moves in.

She is no longer under the care

of her grandparents or her aunt.

THE '90s

[Elize] What I went through

with my stepfather,

I don't wish that on any woman.

I don't wish that on any person.

And I also have a sister.

She is his daughter.

I think she went through

some really tough situations.

This story coming to the surface,

emerging like that

[crying] It's still too hard for me

to talk about it.

[interviewer] Was it inside your house?

Yes.

[somber music playing]

[barking]

These things

they don't happen out of the blue.

Some situations come up

and we don't even notice them.

I remember one day it caught my attention

that he changed the bathroom lock.

He did it in such a way that

we couldn't lock the door from the inside.

So, I'd go to the bathroom

and I couldn't lock the door.

I had to keep the door unlocked.

Often, when I had

just gotten into the bathroom,

he'd open the door and say,

"Oh, I'm sorry.

I didn't know you were in there."

One day, I was showering

I was 15.

There was a tilting window

a small window in the bathroom.

There was a tree outside,

and I saw him looking at me.

I looked out the window and said,

"Who's there?"

At the time

I didn't even notice it was him

and I left running,

wrapped the towel around me, and

Then he came

and he grabbed me.

[somber music intensifies]

[judge] Did Elize suffer

any sexual violence?

I've always been suspicious.

She only confirmed it years later.

Who was it?

Her stepfather.

[Thaís] Elize's case

is not an isolated fact.

Every hour,

three children or teenagers

are sexually abused in Brazil.

In 75% of the cases, the offender

is a member of the child's family.

[water running]

[Elize] I wanted to rub my skin

until it bled.

And I thought I was the one to blame.

I'd look at myself

and feel ashamed of being a woman.

I was angry at God.

[Elize's lawyer] She didn't have anyone

to vent about what she was going through.

So, she kept holding that feeling

inside of her

and experiencing all that

that pain, that anguish.

[Elize] On that day,

I can't remember exactly what I did then.

I was desperate.

But I managed to get away from him.

And I ran.

I ran and I ran and I didn't

even know where I was going.

I just grabbed the towel and ran away.

After that day, I decided to leave.

I decided to run away from home.

I put some things in my backpack,

grabbed a knife,

as if I'd be able to defend myself

from the world.

I went to my godmother

and borrowed 50 bucks from her.

My intention was to go out into the world.

I remember

while I was walking along the road

[sniffles] with no destination,

not knowing where I'd go

a car was following me.

I was so

oblivious as to what

was going on around me,

I didn't even notice it.

And then the guy started talking to me,

"Hey, lady. Where are you going?"

And that woke me up.

As if I had woken up from a dream.

So I started running.

I started running and running.

I didn't know where to go.

It's so agonizing to keep running

while not knowing where to go.

I just knew I had to run.

I got into the bushes.

I

That seemed like

a good hiding place to me.

Like an animal escaping from something,

searching for a den.

I was there behind the bushes.

I don't know for how long

or for how many hours.

I remember I slept.

The next day,

I didn't know what to do.

I was lost and even afraid of leaving.

I smelled food.

Then I saw a man on a horse.

He told me his house was just ahead.

He showed me

he pointed to me where his house was.

It was a beautiful house

in the middle of the woods,

in the middle of a huge forest.

His house was beautiful.

So, I went there. I ate,

I slept.

The next day,

he called Child Protective Services.

I couldn't say anything. I didn't

[buzzing]

I was scared to go back home.

I was scared no one would believe me.

[keyboard clacking]

I kept silent.

I didn't say my name.

I even lied about my name, actually.

Forty-five days passed

before I went back home.

[Elize's aunt] Everyone was desperate

around here.

Us here at home, my sister

Everyone was desperately looking for her

calling Child Protective Services,

the police.

Then they eventually found her,

so my sister and I went to get her.

Then I went back home.

It was hard

because I didn't want to go back,

but I had nowhere else to go.

That changed me so much.

Maybe if that hadn't happened,

I wouldn't have been so desperate

to leave that place.

That's when she moves to her aunt's.

Rosie's.

She's the one person who's always been

by Elize's side the whole time.

[interviewer] Did she tell you why

she wanted to stay with you

and not her mother or her sister?

No.

She just said she

she didn't want to stay there.

So, I asked my sister

if she could stay with me.

I told her to leave her with me.

[Elize] I grew up without my father.

And that absence,

that bad feeling,

I didn't want my daughter

to feel that.

That had a lot of influence

on me trying to maintain my marriage.

Even when it wasn't so good.

Especially after I found out

about his first affair,

and after I found out about my pregnancy

when I'd already decided to get a divorce.

But it really influenced me.

I wanted my daughter to have a father,

unlike myself.

[judge] If you didn't want your daughter

to go through the same as you did,

not having a father,

then why did you k*ll him?

And what will you tell her

when you have the opportunity

to tell her you k*lled

and chopped up her father?

What was the reason?

I'll ask her for forgiveness.

I'll ask for forgiveness

and I'll tell her what happened

when the time is right.

She's just a child now.

- [prosecutor] Can I dismiss the witness?

- [judge] Yes, you can.

Any further questions,

members of the jury? No?

Okay.

I'm positive

Elize suffered emotional abuse.

She suffered psychological violence.

It was obvious

she suffered emotional abuse.

There was no dialogue between them.

There was, in fact,

an attempt on his part to subdue her.

The offender tries to instill false ideas

in the victim's mind.

Just like in parental alienation,

in which the spouse or the parent

also tries to instill false,

derogatory ideas

inside the child's mind.

That she was the one to blame

for that bad situation.

Based on what I know

about toxic relationships

by talking to victims,

and by my own experience,

when it comes to a*usive relationships,

in 85% of cases,

the offenders are male.

It's not necessarily

about physical violence.

It's also about psychological violence,

verbal abuse.

[D'Urso] I think that

if this happens to someone,

no matter how bad it is,

separation is the solution.

As a matter of fact,

separation is what the law provides.

No one can be forced

to stay in a relationship.

I remember I started by saying,

"Marcos made a mistake, a huge mistake."

All right? But that doesn't justify

what happened to him in the end.

[D'Urso] Nothing justifies homicide.

Nothing.

And, unfortunately,

that was the path Elize chose.

LAST DAY OF TRIAL

[reporter 1] Elize might leave the court

through the front door

and even be acquitted.

How likely is that to happen?

Well, that can only be decided by the jury

based on their analyses.

Four women and three men

[reporter 2]will decide

Elize Matsunaga's sentence.

[reporter 3] Jurors have been gathered

for over two and a half hours.

The judge asked them to meet at 11:00 p.m.

Expectations are high.

[Juliana] I don't know if you've ever seen

how the voting works.

Each member gets a card

that says "yes" or "no."

Like a deck of cards.

The criteria are written beforehand.

The judge asks the questions,

and the jury members

cast their "yes" or "no" votes.

[Luciano] It's different from the U.S.

here in Brazil.

In the U.S., they have

a lot of information on the jurors.

We had very little information about them.

We knew their names and their jobs.

That's next to nothing.

They're not familiar

with the Criminal Code,

so, they're there to be convinced.

[Juliana] The judge then opens the bag,

counts the votes,

and, finally, writes down the results.

All of those answers

will define if that individual

who is being judged

is guilty or innocent.

If they are innocent,

then the matter is settled.

If they are guilty, the judge will then

need to establish the sentence.

When you go to the secret room

and the first item is voted,

which is authorship and concreteness,

no one, not a single soul,

will be able to contain the adrenaline

from going up.

The heart goes thud, thud, thud.

[tense music playing]

I remember that at a certain point

everyone had to leave the room.

And we spent a lot of time

in the reporters' room,

talking, sharing whatever food was left.

Because we were there for several hours.

It was too late to order a pizza.

It was almost 2:00 a.m.

[reporter] Right now, attention, please.

The courtroom doors have been opened,

and Elize Matsunaga's sentence

will be revealed

any time now.

Those minutes and seconds,

they were endless.

It seemed like it took longer

than the eight days I spent there.

I was very anxious.

A tremendous amount of anxiety.

In that single moment,

they'd decide my whole life.

Elize Araújo Kitano Matsunaga.

Please.

[unsettling music playing]

I was always sitting in the front row

with a panoramic view

of all the characters.

[D'Urso] Deep down, I was quite sure

that she would be convicted.

Let me tell you something.

I've never been afraid of the courtroom.

[Paula] Before the sentence,

he talked about the aggravators,

the votes of the jury

and what they understood.

[imperceptible]

And as the judge spoke,

it became clear

that two of the aggravators

weren't accepted by the jury.

"The sentence council recognizes

that of all aggravators,

there are enough consistent resources

to confirm

only the obstruction

of the victim's defense."

"It still recognized the materiality

and the authorship

of the crime

of mutilating and concealing a body."

[D'Urso] She had been accused

of committing third-degree m*rder

with foul motive and cruelty,

along with the impossibility

of the victim's defense.

The jury did not recognize all of that.

They only recognized the situation

that obstructed the victim's defense.

[reporter] The jury decided she did not

commit m*rder with foul motive,

and that her means were not cruel

since Marcos wasn't alive

when he was dismembered.

The defense was already celebrating,

almost jumping for joy for having

Well, it was definitely

a victory for them.

Her happiness

was a great moment of satisfaction for us.

- She was crying, right?

- She was crying.

[Luciano] Yeah, she was really crying.

[Paula] The defense was celebrating,

and the prosecution was outraged.

But when they heard the sentence,

everything immediately changed.

The final sentence

is established by the judge.

"have agreed on this,

on the sum of all sentences"

Our goal was to get her

a 30-year sentence,

which is the maximum penalty.

"with a total of 19 years, 11 months

and one day in prison."

[tense music playing]

Her sentence was basically 20 years.

The judge gave her

the longest sentence he could give her,

considering that two of the aggravators

weren't recognized.

[gavel banging]

[Thaís] No one was pleased.

One side wanted her

to leave through the front door,

and the other,

wanted her to get the maximum penalty.

The sentence applied by the judge

did not reflect the jury's decision.

He increased the sentence way too much.

There was no need for that at all.

That was not what the jury intended.

If you look at it as a game,

the defense definitely won.

It's undeniable.

It's undeniable

that the defense won the case.

If getting

Was it 19, almost 20 years, right?

If that is really a victory,

imagine what defeat would look like.

I don't think I won the case

because I wanted the aggravators.

What happened

was a brutal mistake of the jury.

I don't think the jury

is about winning or losing.

Otherwise, it'd be something personal.

The one being judged

is neither the defense,

nor the prosecution.

I asked the family

if they were interested in appealing

to increase the sentence.

And the family's position

was that justice had been served.

[judge] "Sentence signed in courtroom 10,

at 2:08 a.m., on December 5th, 2016,

by Adilson Paukoski Simoni,

presiding judge."

Have a good night.

Court is adjourned.

[interviewer] When the judge said,

"19 years," how did you feel?

Wow

I could just feel

and imagine and do the math of

how long it would take for me

to see my daughter.

How long and how many days

I would have to stay there

to finally see her again.

[somber music playing]

[Elize] Prison is hell.

There are things that

only a cell can do to you.

I've had to share a cell with one person,

with six other people,

with eight other people.

And I've had to share a cell

with 18 other people.

People there are living in survival mode.

[Thaís] We also need to know

who those inmates are.

Three out of ten of those inmates

didn't even go to trial.

We're talking about men and women

who are already in jail

without the law having decided

whether they're guilty or innocent.

For the most part, people in jail

are poor and Black

who are trafficking

small amounts of drugs.

So, Elize was an outlier there.

The dilemma of humanity

is how we should punish.

In the beginning,

there were death sentences.

At a certain point in history,

humanity found out

that by k*lling a convicted person,

their workforce would also die.

So when we look at the history

of the evolution

of the punishment sentences,

it's basically all about

the discovery of the fact

that instead of k*lling a convicted person

to punish them,

they could be punished

by keeping them alive and working.

That happened with the influence

of the Catholic Church,

which had in its monasteries,

places where individuals

who had violated the law

had to stay and pray.

And that area within the monastery

was called "penitentiary"

where there were cells

to pay the penances.

[sewing machine whirring]

[Elize] I learned how to sew there.

I learned how to manufacture pants,

for instance, shirts.

That allowed me to leave my cell

and go to a place where

where I was doing something.

I was working.

I was being helpful in some way.

[cell door opens]

[cell door closes]

[somber music playing]

[reverend] I went to visit her only once.

[reporter] Did Elize cry?

She did.

And she'd cry a lot

when she talked about her daughter.

[Elize] When she was born,

she was so fragile.

[sobs]

So tiny.

I wanted to put her in a bubble, you know?

By irony of fate,

I burst that bubble myself.

I have a spiritual bond with her.

I know I'll see her again.

I pray for that to happen.

It won't be easy

but that's my next goal.

FURLOUGH

I want to go back to having

a low-key life,

like I used to have.

Like I enjoyed having.

[rain pattering]

Without bothering people,

causing a fuss,

or annoying people.

Just living my life.

I'm so happy I'm going to see her.

I'm really happy.

I can hardly believe it.

[interviewer] How long has it been

since you've seen your grandmother?

Seven years.

It's been seven years, six months

and 20 days.

I haven't seen my grandmother

since I was arrested.

She's 86. It's hard for her.

It's really complicated to get around

and it's too far away from their place.

I made her a gift.

I sewed a tablecloth with daisies.

It's so her.

I hope she likes it.

[reporter] Elize Matsunaga left prison

for the first time

since her arrest for murdering

[reporter 2] Elize won't be able

to see her daughter.

[reporter 3] It's absurd

that these inmates get to leave.

Going to jail for serious crimes in Brazil

is like winning a prize.

They all look strong,

with their nails done.

Look, they're smiling.

It's the law, it's written.

But the people don't like it.

[reporter 4] Since inmates

aren't monitored in any way,

temporary releases spread thousands

of criminals through the streets.

Temporary releases are, in fact,

a temptation to escape,

an invitation for crime,

and an open door to chaos.

[Juliana] They're really about

resocialization.

Inmates who behave well

and meet certain requisites

demanded by the national prison law

have the right to temporarily leave

in certain

It's five times a year.

It lasts about five or six days on average

depending on the holiday.

In layman's terms, it may be frowned upon,

"Oh, the criminal

is out in the streets." But no.

The sentence is not eternal.

The person has been judged

and resocialization is part

of this instrument we call the "sentence,"

so the person can come back to society.

A person who has been sentenced to jail

has to gradually adapt to freedom

under the control of the State,

so they have better chances of leading,

from then on,

a life without risks

of committing more crimes.

It's a fact that Elize has rights.

That's a right the law has given her.

The law allows her that.

It's awful. I think it's awful.

If she committed a crime in 2012,

and then she's already out on the streets

in 2019,

she served time for around seven years

for k*lling someone.

I can't be the judge of that, you know?

The people can be the judge and decide

if that's really necessary.

[Figueira] I even heard

she was about to be released.

In the process of being released.

I think that's what the grandparents

are concerned about.

That this could create some fuss

with the daughter.

[Elize] Being able to leave for some days

and getting to solve a few things

is really significant to me.

It's really important.

I need to take these steps.

[Juliana] She used her release

to organize her life,

to take steps towards her future,

to be able to see her daughter again.

Elize has this clarity and consciousness

about what she wants.

She wants to, and she will be able

to rebuild an affectionate bond

with her daughter again. Little by little.

So I'm working and I'm putting effort

into providing that opportunity for her.

And she deserves that.

Nowadays, Elize,

she has had her parental rights

over her daughter suspended.

That means that during this period,

she can't demand to visit her.

This was right after the crime,

right after she got arrested.

It was a different scenario back in 2012.

There hadn't been a trial yet.

We weren't sure about

what would be decided.

[indistinct chatter]

[Juliana] Now that she's almost done,

I'll ask them to revoke it,

so that she can legally,

and under supervision,

see her daughter for a few hours.

[chatter continues]

[interviewer] Do you think her daughter

knows about Elize?

She does.

Elize's father-in-law said

she has known about the crime

and about her mother

for a year and a half.

[interviewer] What if Elize says

her goal now

is to have the right to have

custody of her daughter

or at least see her?

I can't talk about that

because of the attorney-client privilege.

The only thing I can say

is that the family's priority

is to protect the daughter.

This child's lost her mom

when she was arrested,

and she's lost her dad

because he was m*rder*d,

and at such a tender age,

she has to deal with this tragedy

that has been imposed on her.

What the family is doing,

and has been doing since the beginning

YOKI CASE: EXECUTIVE IS BURIED

is preparing their granddaughter

for when she learns about it

in the future.

[Flávio] All of their interest,

all their emotional reactions

were directed at the grandchild

who became the focus of attention.

[somber music playing]

It's a stigma they'll carry for life.

It doesn't end with the pain of death.

It's something that has terrible

consequences that linger, you know.

What we feel as friends is just a fraction

of what his daughters will feel

having to grow up explaining that story.

They'll have to tell that story

when they go to school,

when they go to college,

when they get a boyfriend,

when they get married.

They'll have to explain it

to their children and grandchildren.

So they will never be done explaining it.

It'll keep echoing forever.

[somber music playing]

[Elize] I don't know

what the future holds for us.

I don't know if someday

I'll be able to meet her again.

I hope I will.

I pray to God for it.

I pray to Mary for it

because she's a mother too.

[church bells tolling]

I'd like to tell my daughter that

not even a day goes by

that I don't feel guilty about what I did.

And I pray that she

manages to overcome that.

If she can't forgive me,

that's fine. I will respect her.

[solemn music playing]

Something very curious happened to me.

I was in jail,

and I was fortunate enough

to dream about her

the whole night.

I didn't dream about her

as a baby.

I dreamed about her

as how she'd be right now.

With this long

black hair,

just like her father's.

[chuckles softly] Almond-shaped eyes.

She was laughing a lot.

She was

she was about this tall, give or take.

I've never felt more peaceful in my life

than in the moments

when I was holding her in my arms.

I'd look at her

The mental picture I have of her

is still like that.

I don't know what she looks like now.

[melancholy music playing]

My life right now

is like the stories

mothers tell their kids to scare them.

This girl that worked with me,

she was very young.

She was arrested when she was 18.

And she used to tell me,

"You know, Elize,

there was this man in my hometown

who was in jail for 10 years.

I would cross the street

whenever I saw him

because I was scared.

Will people do that to us as well?

Once we're back home,

will people do that when they see us?"

[interviewer] Are you afraid

of what might happen

when you go back to Chopinzinho?

I'm not going back there.

I chose to go to a nearby city.

I'm gonna see my grandma.

I don't even know what will happen

because

I talked to her on the phone yesterday,

and she told me she had back pains

and it was rough.

Moving around is so hard for her,

you know?

But I'm happy I'm going there.

No, no. I'm I'm here.

I'm already here.

Yeah, 301.

Just bring what's important.

Stuff you couldn't leave in the car.

I really admire my grandmother.

She was the one who took care

of me and my sister,

and she's faced a lot of hardships

in her life.

I want to hug her again.

That's as important to me

as being able to hug my daughter.

[Elize crying]

Oh, my God. Don't cry, honey.

These are tears of joy, Granny.

I know. I cannot cry

because I took so many prescribed meds

that I can't cry anymore,

even if my heart bursts.

- I know they're tears of joy.

- They're tears of joy, Granny,

not sadness.

Oh, I'm so glad God allowed us to meet.

God is wonderful.

You look so beautiful, Granny.

Thank you. Do you think so?

Yes, you look amazing.

You're so, so beautiful, Granny.

- You look beautiful too.

- Are you okay?

- Yes, thank God.

- What about your back?

And your legs? Come on, let's take a seat.

Oh, goodness. You look so pretty.

Oh, come on.

[gentle music playing]

[crying] And I'll always love you.

Always. Always.

I was so scared

I wouldn't be able to see you again.

But God allowed us to meet.

[Elize] All these years I prayed that

I could meet her once more.

[sobs] That I could tell her

from the bottom of my heart,

"Your granddaughter

is right here, Granny."

I made you something. I hope you like it.

[laughs softly]

It's a tablecloth.

I embroidered it.

You did this yourself?

[Maria Sebastiana]

She made a mistake, a big mistake.

She's paying a high price for her mistake.

But what I think hurts her the most

is her daughter.

That's the highest price she's paying.

I hope one day her daughter understands it

and forgives her.

That she'll listen to her version,

read the letters she wrote her,

the things she made for her.

I'd like to be able to show her

all that someday.

- Let me give you a hug.

- How are you?

- Oh, my God.

- I wish you all the best.

May God and your guardian angels

be with you always.

I always want to see you happy and pretty

like you are now.

Very pretty, okay?

Don't cry. God is with you.

- God and the guardian angels, always.

- Amen. Amen. Amen.

[crying] And they'll be with you too.

Thank you, Granny.

[Cosenzo] She's already lost

her parental rights.

What she can get back

is her daughter's love.

Love doesn't need bonds, documents,

determinations of codes

or anything like that.

It'll depend on her.

[D'Urso] I believe

that justice was served.

As for her sentence,

she will take it up with the State

and will do her time.

And what she'll do with her life later on,

that only concerns her and God.

[Elize] There's no way

I could just pretend that

the past doesn't exist.

What I can do now,

is try to live with the past

in the best way that I can.

I didn't think things would have escalated

to the extent that they have.

And I still can't understand

why people are so curious about it.

Just imagine if Elize were

were a cleaning lady

If Marcos Matsunaga were Black and poor.

would it have gotten

all the attention it did?

Of course not.

And why?

[Thaís] The crime Elize has committed

against Marcos,

we usually see that on TV

with the characters reversed.

A man who kills his wife

because he couldn't accept

the end of their relationship.

[soft music playing]

[interviewer sighs]

[interviewer] Is there anything else

you'd like to say

before we finish the interview?

Uh

The types of crimes

I learned about in prison

There are

crimes that are way more barbaric

than mine,

way more shocking than mine,

but nobody mentions them.

Nobody talks about them,

because the victim wasn't wealthy.

The victim was an ordinary person.

Someone poor.

If it had been the opposite, for example,

if I had lost my life in this situation,

not Marcos,

would he be here talking about it?

Would there be spotlights on him

and people eager to know,

"What about the victim, Elize?"

Who would I be?

[somber music playing]

TREMEMBÉ I WOMAN'S PENITENTIARY

ST. MARIA EUFRÁSIA PELLETIER

[dark version of Beethoven's

"Bagatelle No. 25 (Für Elise)" playing]