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01x03 - Japanese Horror

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Horror's Greatest". Aired: August 27, 2024.*
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01x03 - Japanese Horror

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[creepy music]

[horror music]

TANANARIVE DUE: Real horror fans

love foreign language horror.

Real horror fans love exploring

the boundaries of the genre,

because just by the

very definition,

you cannot be scared by

watching the same thing

over and over and over again.

[exciting music]

KATE SIEGEL: I think there is

something particularly beautiful

about Japanese horror.

It treats its audience with

such respect in the sense

that they allow for slow

character development,

and they allow for the

slow, creeping horror

as opposed to the jump scare.

[shouts]

KATE SIEGEL: They allow

for flawed characters.

They allow for their

murderers to be people.

They allow for their

murderers to have the most

insane, inventive minds.

They really tap into

the individual's psyche.

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN:

One of my favorites

what are the most chilling

Japanese horror movies?

[japanese speech]

[screaming]

[japanese speech]

ALEX WINTER: The great Japanese

horror movies from the past

came out of Japanese

ghost stories.

Ugetsuis probably my

favorite film of all time.

That is a film that takes

a couple of very famous

Japanese stories

and combines them

and kind of reworks

them into a story.

The samurai era and w*r and

sort of a grand phantom princess

who lures our hero

into a ghost world

that he does not realize

he's in until it's too late.

[japanese speech]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: The classic

story of a farmer who has a side

business, making pottery.

[japanese speech]

And it's in some ways

a cautionary tale about

unbridled ambition and desire.

[japanese speech]

And he loses sight

of his family.

But then part of that

isn't just consumeristic,

but it's sexual in nature.

One of the people that is

interested in his wares

is this what seems like a

noble woman, Lady Wakasa.

[japanese speech]

ALEX WINTER: When the

princess first meets our hero,

we don't know she's dead for

another hour, almost, right?

It's not even implying

she's a ghost, because it's

supposed to be a big reveal.

And our hero looks

up at this woman,

and she lifts the

veil off her face.

And it's f*cking

terrifying, [laughs]

and it's not even

supposed to be.

You're supposed to just

fall in love with her,

and it's just the way she's lit,

her performance, her makeup

it's perfect.

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

In Japanese cinema,

you often have these ghosts

that both are and are not there.

Sometimes they can

walk through walls,

but sometimes they're

very physical.

And in fact, so many of

the Japanese ghost stories

involve people having

sex with ghosts.

[japanese speech]

He just then gets

enchanted by this woman

and then finds himself in this

sexual relationship to the point

where he just like

forgets completely

about his wife and his child.

Meanwhile, his

wife is struggling

to keep everything together.

[screaming]

Ultimately, she's k*lled

by marauding soldiers.

Eventually, he wakes

up and returns home,

eager to reunite with his wife.

And there is this

incredible scene where

he comes home to a

fully darkened house,

and he walks around the house.

And the camera follows him.

And as he's walking

around the house,

you can see the lights of

the house slowly come on.

[intriguing music]

[japanese speech]

They're reunited for one night.

But he wakes up, and she's

gone and realizes that he spent

this night with the

ghost of his wife

who stayed around just

long enough so they

could have this reunion.

ALEX WINTER: It's like what

cinema can do at its best

when you just think that's just

operating a whole other level

that no one else can do.

That's just superhuman

artistic skill.

There's a lot of stuff

you'll see in Japanese films

like The Ringand The

Grudgethat hearken

back to early Mizoguchi.

Charles Laughton with

Night of the Hunter

just robs wholesale from

this, and it's very effective.

The Sixth Sense, I

think, takes a lot

from that this notion of, what

is the divide between the living

and the dead?

[suspenseful tones]

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: Japanese

cinema has obviously

had a huge impact

on Hollywood cinema,

but there's these really

obscure two Americans

and strange horror films that

are patient and unnerving

and unhinged in a way

that you've never seen

before in a film like Onibaba.

[shouting]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

I love Onibaba, one

of my all-time favorite films.

This is from 1964

by Kaneto Shindo.

Onibabais one of

those ones that,

again, uses the specter

of ghosts or demons

to talk about sexuality.

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: You've got

these two women who are having

to try to survive in this

really dark time in history

by picking off the

armor, money, whatever

they can off of soldiers

or victims of the w*r.

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: So you get

to see this idea of survival

in the midst of w*r, and this

will resonate for decades

with Japanese audiences

who are very intimately up

and close, saw the

brutality of w*r

and what it can do

to a population.

[suspenseful music]

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: They are

hungry, and they're poor.

And they are

sexually unsatisfied.

And they are very close and

bonded as the story begins.

It kind of reminds me of

Gray Gardensin a weird way.

And this guy comes between them.

And the younger of

the two women starts

a relationship with this man.

[japanese speech]

ERNEST DICKERSON:

It's a very sexy film.

It's amazingly

sensuous film with

beautiful black and white reeds,

you know, the waving grass.

What an amazing image that is.

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: The way

that the camera kind of comes

through these landscapes

and the points of view

of the different characters

and the sense of paranoia

and the sense of covetousness

that you get from both

the performances and the

way that the world is

shot and exists in,

creates the sense of dread

as the older woman is

really losing her sh*t.

[panting]

[music intensifies]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

She encounters a lost

samurai with this

creepy demon mask,

and she's able to get that mask.

And she says, I'm going to use

this to scare my daughter-in-law

to stop having sex with

the man that I may or may

not want to have sex with.

[screams]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: But

then at that point,

the mother-in-law is like,

this mask, I can't take it off.

[japanese speech]

It doesn't have to be

supernatural, but it could be.

It's kind of like,

do you believe

there's a force in

this mask that is

possessing the mother-in-law?

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: And then

trying to remove that mask,

it takes like a

mallet and a hammer.

It's like stuck to her face.

[screams]

[ominous music]

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: It's all

symbolic and a great metaphor

for what's been going on

inside, and as these two

women are ripping themselves

and one another apart.

Her d*sfigured face

perhaps evokes the effect

of the atomic b*mb on

people during World

w*r II in terms of what it

did to those who survived it.

Shindo was born in Hiroshima,

one of the two cities

that had the atomic

b*mb dropped on it.

And he was also drafted

into World w*r II,

so he firsthand saw

the horrors of w*r.

DAVID DASTMALCHIAN:

It's a great movie.

It's super weird.

The performances

are so fantastic.

To see actors just be

given free rein to just go

as far as they need to go to

capture that sense of madness,

it's awesome.

[japanese speech]

[suspenseful music]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

Masaki Kobayashi's, it's

spelled Kwaidan, but

the pronunciation

is perhaps closer to Kaidan.

Kwaidanis another in the

classic anthology form

that we see

oftentimes in horror.

ERNEST DICKERSON:

The four films

The Black Hair, Woman in the

Snow, Hoichi the Earless,

and In a Cup of Tea

there is a beautiful

surreality about all the films,

about each one of the episodes.

It's quite amazing.

Kobayashi actually commandeered

a decommissioned airplane hangar

and built these country

sides in the hangar.

I mean, it's all

interior with these

beautifully-painted backdrops

that he himself painted.

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

One of the stories

called woman of the Snow, the

backdrops are either a snowy day

or different types of

weather, but there's always

this eye or these multiple

eyes, these humongous eyes just

in the background as if

it's just part of the sky.

And it adds to that sense that

the surroundings are alive,

that there's something at work

beyond just what you think

is sort of provable by science.

[ominous music]

ALEX WINTER: You as an

audience are aware of the fact

that this is not reality.

This is a staged production of

these traditional folk tales,

and yet there is an

emotional resonance

and a truth that comes through

that is pretty profound.

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

One story that I

think is worth commenting on,

though, is Hoichi the Earless.

NICHOLAS RUCKA: This man

who's blind, he's a musician.

[japanese speech]

And he's basically

tricked into performing

for the spirits of the dead, not

realizing the risk that he's in.

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: He thinks

he's going to this really fancy

place to sing for

nobles, but actually he's

just going to this graveyard.

[music intensifies]

At one point when a religious

authority realizes, oh, my god,

you're in the

presence of ghosts

[japanese speech]

And so what they have to do is

write scripture on his body.

[chanting]

Because of this script,

he basically is invisible,

supposedly, to the ghosts.

But the key is for this to

work in this particular story,

it needed to have been on

every single inch of his body.

But there's one oversight

that you can probably guess,

based on the name of the

story, Hoichi the Earless.

They forgot to write

it on his ears.

[japanese speech]

And so then the ghost

of the samurai says,

well, you know what?

I need to prove that I

at least looked for him.

[japanese speech]

So I'm just going

to take these ears.

Of course.

I mean, what else would you do?

[horror tones]

These are stories that are

meant to chill and maybe teach

you a lesson or maybe

just make you think

that the world, the universe,

is maybe a little bit

more mysterious and profound.

There's something beyond this

sort of temporal existence

that we all operate in.

There's this unspoken

plane of existence

that's there that sometimes

crosses over with our own.

And sometimes it's

in positive ways,

and sometimes it's in

pretty horrific ways.

[suspenseful music]

[creepy music]

[ominous music]

[chanting]

[japanese speech]

[laughs]

[japanese speech]

[screaming]

[thunder crashing]

MICHAEL GINGOLD: There

is kind of a dichotomy

in Japanese horror.

There's been a lot of great

Japanese horror films that

are very moody and

subtle, and then

on the other side of the

coin, you have movies that are

absolutely out of their minds.

[strange sounds]

Hausuis a great example.

That movie is one of the most

wonderfully berserk films

that I've ever seen.

PROFESSOR AKIRA MIZUTA LIPPIT:

It's a really strange film

and raises an

interesting question

about the relationship

between horror

and experimental filmmaking.

[japanese speech]

House ismeant to be sort

of Japan's response to Jaws,

of all things, which I think

is like very unexpected,

cause it doesn't resemble Jaws

in any way except that it does.

[laughs]

[suspenseful music]

[screaming]

The story was kind of shaped, at

least in part, by the director,

Nobuhiko Obayashi's whose

then teenage daughter whose

perspective really informed

the characters and just

the general femininity

of this film.

So it's this group

of teen girls.

Gorgeous is the leader, then

there's Fantasy, Mac, Kung Fu.

There's Sweet.

Their names all kind of

like refer to certain types

of personality traits.

And they are just so much

fun to watch together,

but it's also very much

so about like the nature

of disappointment from

a feminine perspective.

So Gorgeous is kind of

the center of the film.

Her father really spoils her.

She's kind of the

apple of his eye,

except he introduces

a stepmother.

And gorgeous is

not OK with this.

What gorgeous decides

to do is, you know what?

I'm going to spend time with

my aunt so she brings six

of her friends along with her

and we're going to

go to my aunt's house

and have a wonderful time.

They're supposed to be

joined by their school

counselor, Mister

Togo, but he doesn't

make it to the train in time.

[japanese speech]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: What she does

not realize is that her aunt has

been dead for years

[crash]

that, in fact,

there's some weird force

where she, her

house, this white cat

are one as a spiritual force.

And basically what ends up

happening in this film is that

gorgeous and her six friends

in classic slasher form

are knocked off one by one.

[japanese speech]

But what then

technically happens

is that they're

eaten by the house.

[screams]

LEA ANDERSON: So

mattresses and clocks

and all of this weird stuff

that you wouldn't think

to be consumptive becomes

a consumptive entity,

and that's where it's like

sort of paralleling Jaws.

Perhaps the most

iconic image of this film

is of the character Melody

who is very musical.

She plays piano.

She plays guitar.

Melody in this film

is eaten by a piano.

[horror music]

[screaming]

How do we make a piano

eating a girl convincing?

[japanese speech]

Well, I think he decided, we're

not going to make it convincing.

We're just going to

make it outrageous.

And then it then

becomes unsettling

at a different register.

NICHOLAS RUCKA: Very

interesting stop motion,

weird double exposures,

inventive use of green screen,

animation.

It was just like

sort of whatever

kept the frame interesting

and just kept you engaged.

[japanese speech]

I'm not sure Obayashi

necessarily knew what was scary,

but he certainly

knew what was freaky.

If you want to assign like

a sort of final girl figure

somewhere, Fantasy sort

of takes that role.

Because she's so

prone to daydreaming,

she also sees the unreality

of things a little bit more

clearly than the others do.

But the one thing

she never lets go of

is the fantasy that

Mister Togo is going

to arrive and save them all

[victorious music]

My lovely princess, Fantasy.

[japanese speech]

which he doesn't.

[japanese speech]

So there's this critique

of the mythologies,

of patriarchy, and the stories

girls and women are socialized

into, and what we can

expect from when we take

these mythologies

as truth and facts,

which is really

just disappointment.

[crash]

[laughing]

[laughing]

One of the first, very

visceral, extreme horror films

is obviously Tetsuowhich

kind of came out of nowhere

and really startled people.

Shinya Tsukamoto kind of

kicked down some doors there

in presenting a new, very

in-your-face, extreme, visceral

approach to the horror

and with some really

creative special effects.

Tetsuo, ofcourse,

when it came out, I mean,

we were all shocked.

Shinya Tsukamoto-san is

still the one and only.

There's no other filmmaker

in the world like him,

and he came out from

a Japanese, kind

of underground, indie

filmmaking world.

And I was blown away by chaotic

editing and visual style

and the bombastic music.

[vibrant music]

ALEX WINTER: Tetsuo

was all done in camera.

It's kind of beyond

a horror movie.

It's almost its own thing.

It's like a conceptual

piece of art, basically.

You kind of can't pick

your favorite moment

because it's really the

whole thing is like one shot

right from beginning to end.

[screaming]

And it's just like you're on

the train, you're off the train,

and the whole thing is a blur.

When I first saw this

movie, it felt like nothing I

had ever seen before.

This guy has been shoving

metal into his own leg,

and he is accidentally k*lled

by a Japanese businessman.

And then this

businessman becomes

infected with this disease.

[squirt]

[groaning]

NICHOLAS RUCKA: He is literally

just sprouting metal

[shouting]

and turning into

this metal beast.

And then he comes

across his doppelganger

is the rust version of him.

And it's basically

their love story.

I mean, it's a

pretty heady stew.

RYUHEI KITAMURA: The world that

Tsukamoto creates for Tetsuo

The Iron Manis really

one of detritus.

This is scrap metal.

This is not the world of that

kind of shining neon technopolis

that Japan itself

celebrated and promoted

as this kind of advanced,

late modernist culture.

NICHOLAS RUCKA: These young men

who were making these films,

their parents were the

sort of miracle generation,

postwar, who got Japan

back up on its feet.

And the casualty from that was

that the parents weren't around.

The dads were not around.

They were married to the

companies, to the businesses,

and the kids were left

to basically run around

in this industrialized society.

Well, all I'm seeing outside

are factories belching out fire.

So if that's what

you're seeing, that

becomes food for the machine.

And you're going to reflect

that one way or another,

and it's going to end up being

inevitably probably a pretty

dark view of the future or

even a perversion, in the case

of Tetsuo, of the present.

[japanese speech]

[g*nsh*t]

[japanese speech]

[flapping]

REBEKAH MCKENDRY: 1999,

Auditioncomes out

from director Takashi Miike.

At this time, we had not seen

a lot of Japanese films coming

over to the States, not anything

like the wave we were about

to see in the early 2000s.

[intriguing music]

[japanese speech]

Nothing could have

prepared me for that movie.

NICHOLAS RUCKA: The movie

sets you up thinking

that he's not a bad guy.

You watch the guy's

wife die from cancer.

In Japan, they

would say gambaru.

He's just doing his best to

kind of get on with life.

[japanese speech]

[pleasant music]

And because his friend has a

suggestion of using an audition

as a way to find a

girlfriend and not

actually cast for something

[japanese speech]

he crossed the

unforgivable bridge.

In this respect, I

would say Audition

actually is maybe

something a little bit more

in common with Kwaidan.

He had transgressed in

a way he had no idea,

not even for bad intentions.

He was not a bad guy.

The problem was

the woman he fell

for, he fell for without really

knowing anything about her.

It was looks and manners

purely superficial.

[intriguing music]

KATE SIEGEL: That

man really thought

he knew where that was going.

He did not.

None of us did.

I will always love that

long shot with the sack

in the background

[music intensifies]

and then just

[phone ringing]

Brilliant, brilliant,

brilliant movie.

[japanese speech]

MICHAEL GINGOLD: But there's a

lot of really interesting stuff

going on in that film just

beyond the surface level

horror about relationships

and about the way

people relate to each other.

[japanese speech]

[suspenseful music]

KATE SIEGEL: Like

most horror movies,

it takes a grain

of truth, and it

kind of distorts

it into something

grotesque and unrecognizable.

NICHOLAS RUCKA: It's a high

water mark for horror, I think,

just bar none.

I don't even think you

should call it J-horror.

I just think it's a fantastic

piece of horror storytelling.

[ominous music]

[laughs]

PROFESSOR AKIRA MIZUTA

LIPPIT: I'm perpetually

surprised by what Miike does.

Of course, he's famous for

Auditionand that genre

of sort of extreme violence.

[japanese speech]

But he has an incredible

versatility and

a tremendous sense of humor.

He's done period pieces.

[thoughtful music]

He's done nostalgia films.

He does comedies.

[singing]

He does musicals.

RYUHEI KITAMURA: I was

just watching the TV,

and Miike-san came up and

talking about his work.

And he said, more the

script is bad, motivates me.

[laughs] I was like, oh,

my god, Miike-san You are

[laughs]

That is the power he has.

He doesn't in a good way,

he doesn't really care.

He can just make it happen.

Whatever he does, he

put his stamp on it.

And I really admire that.

[fighting sounds]

[japanese speech]

[creepy music]

[japanese speech]

[screaming]

[japanese speech]

[g*nsh*t]

[japanese speech]

[g*nsh*t]

[train horn]

[japanese speech]

Around like '99.

2000, 2001.

those days, Japanese

industry had very

this crazy passion.

[shouting]

[g*nshots]

Producers were giving

young, passionate

director a little bit of money

and just do whatever you want.

Go as crazy as you can.

That's why we were still able

to explore our pure passion

and creativity.

Horror films in the 1980s and

after were often nicknamed V

cinema, and V stood for video.

So they never got a

theatrical release.

They went straight to

video rental houses.

You have these very

low-budget but very innovative

horror films.

[scratching sounds]

RYUHEI KITAMURA: A lot

of hardcore horror fans

prefer the original,

straight-to-video Ju-On

than The Grudge.

The Grudge

[croaking sounds]

One of the things that

I love about The Grudge

and about Japanese horror

is it's coming from not only

different mythologies,

but also use of space

is very different in Japan.

[suspenseful music]

And the way people's

houses are laid up

and the size of the

rooms, so in The Grudge,

this creature is appearing

from camera angles that

are constantly surprising

us, because we're just

not expecting to see him there.

We're not oriented.

We're not oriented

in the mythology.

We're not oriented in the space.

[screaming]

It keeps us off-balance

visually through the whole film.

JEFFREY REDDICK: And it

was totally nonlinearly,

so I had to kind of keep

track of what was going on.

But I didn't mind it,

because I was kind of

so tired of films being told in

just an A to B to C kind of way.

[suspenseful music]

We've heard the concept that

if somebody dies horribly,

their spirit will linger,

like horrific acts in the past

will haunt the present.

But it was so interesting to

see how this house was infested

but how it also

affected generations

of people and then

kind of uncovering

the mystery at the same time.

[mysterious music]

Culturally speaking, there's a

huge difference between the way

the Japanese and

Americans treat ghosts.

Americans are very

distanced from death.

Death is something

we gloss over a lot,

and so ghosts aren't

something that are

part of a normal conversation.

If I tell you I think the ghost

of my father is in my house,

you're going to think

I'm a little weird.

I think in the Japanese

culture, there's

more of a sense of ancestry

and spirits and ghosts

being something that you

can encounter at any time.

One of the great things

about Ju-On isthe motif

of the haunted house, that

once you get inside that house,

you are victimized.

But the assumption

is that if you leave,

or if you can get

out, then you're safe.

The Grudge, you,

get followed home.

This idea that even when

you leave the haunted space,

you're stuck with it.

[knocking]

[gasps]

[croaking sounds]

[screams]

KATE SIEGEL: It's touching

into that Japanese horror

understanding that

violence and fear can

happen anywhere,

in the most basic

of things, like real estate

[suspenseful music]

and treating it

with the respect

without kind of winking

at it at the same time.

[creaking sounds]

[japanese speech]

Battle Royale isabout Japan is

under an authoritarian

government,

and they pick a class

of kids every year.

And they basically fight

to the death on this island

until there's a sole survivor.

[japanese speech]

This is kind of the film

that says, well, you know,

what if your teachers really

were trying to k*ll you?

[japanese speech]

[suspenseful tones]

There is this

national competition

going on assembled

by Takeshi Kitano

who's like one of the biggest

[laughs] names in Japan.

He's a very familiar

actor and director,

but he set up like the

teen version of The Most

Dangerous Game,

where the kids are

outfitted with these collars.

[japanese speech]

[g*nshots]

They're all given

different weapons.

They're let loose

on this island.

[japanese speech]

And last man standing

is the winner.

It sounds like

Hunger Games, yeah,

it pretty much is, although

this is considerably bloodier.

[music intensifies]

[g*nshots]

[laughs] And I think the social satire is

a lot more scathing in this one.

[screaming]

Despite 40 kids or whatever

k*lling each other in the most

brutal of ways, it really is

kind of just standard, as we

know it, high school teenage

drama with the gossip

and the drama and

the relationships.

[japanese speech]

It's like it has

all those tropes,

but they f*cking k*ll each other

instead of just not talking.

[g*nshots]

It is really anarchic

filmmaking that has

this remarkable energy to it.

[screams]

Kinji Fukasaku

was 75 or something,

and he's able to

direct this film.

Battle Royaleis,

in many respects,

almost like an epilogue,

an aging filmmaker thinking

back about, this is what happens

when the fascists are in power.

They don't value

the price of youth.

They're willing to let you

die over something as simple

as, just looks

like fun and games.

[ominous music]

[screams]

In Japan, this was seen

as something that was

sort of like manga territory.

It was very fantastical in a

way that it was very symbolic,

whereas you show it in

Americans in the early 2000s,

you saw it, and it was a little

too close to home at the time.

Since then, it's become

like one of the biggest

cult hits in Japanese history.

It's considered an

absolute classic by now.

[japanese speech]

[chatter]

[horror tones]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

Ringuor The Ring

is probably the film that people

associate with Japanese horror.

Ringuis this story about

this cursed videotape.

[japanese speech]

If you watch it, seven

days later, you will die.

I think part of what made this

resonate with audiences, first

of all, this fear of technology.

Japan has often been at

the forefront of consumer

electronics, and so to have

these J-horror films that

tap into that fear, I think,

is something that is enduring,

the fact that this is

something that's in your home,

if it's a cell phone

in your pocket.

And some way it's going to

be a harbinger of your death?

That's something that I think

that people can relate to.

Ring, tome, really

personifies a style of kind

of '90s Japanese

horror that is really

stylized but also mundane.

There's an aesthetic

to that film

that feels very

grounded in reality

but also highly

composed and creepy.

And I think no one has

done that except that era

of Japanese horror.

[gasps]

My husband, Steven Barnes,

is also a huge horror fan.

And years ago, he was

doing some research

and heard about this film.

It had not reached

the United States yet.

So he ordered it, and we

ended up with a videotape.

We watched this entire

movie in Japanese,

not understanding a

single word of it.

And it still scared

the crap out of us.

It's just like that old film

school lesson, they say.

You should be able to

turn the volume down

and still follow the story.

We were following the story.

When I saw Ringu Iwas terrified

for such a long time of every

girl with long black hair

forever.

[laughs]

[japanese speech]

Ringuis definitely one of the

most iconic villains out there.

It just has this

texture of somebody

that is just slimy and

real and almost like

decomposing right

in front of you.

There's absolutely continuity,

I think, with the ghosts

that you see in something

like Ugetsu, like Kwaidan.

We see that absolutely come

through with a character

like Sadako.

Sadako also very much

part of this idea

of being a vengeful

spirit, and this

is somebody who's had

a profound trauma.

She did seem to have

sort of psychic abilities

that led her to be othered

[japanese speech]

and then ultimately to

be m*rder*d by her father.

MICHAEL GINGOLD: It's

really gripping and chilling

all the way through,

and it gets to the point

where it seems like the

plot has been resolved.

And then you get

to that TV scene.

[suspenseful music]

[music intensifies]

You could just feel

everyone just be

[gasps]

Essentially it was

inspired by Videodrome.

Instead of like going into

the TV set, it's coming out.

It's a very simple gag, but

one of the things that's

so interesting about it is

that after Sadako comes out,

and she comes out, and

their hair is down,

they cut to the

close-up of the eye.

Fun fact that's not

the actress's eye.

That's the assistant

director's eye.

So they used this guy's

eye for the close-up.

Now, why would you do that?

Because it's horror.

It's meant to make

you feel unsettled.

It's supposed to be uncanny,

and I think it succeeds in that.

[shouts]

[thunder crashing]

[creepy music]

[suspenseful music]

[japanese speech]

[screams]

[japanese speech]

[child crying]

[screaming]

[japanese speech]

[shouts]

[thunder crashing]

[jaunty music]

[police siren]

Cure, Iwould say,

without equivocation

is one of the masterpieces

of Japanese cinema,

regardless of genre.

All of the elements of horror

in Japan, from ghost stories

to the supernatural to

the monsters, all of this

reaches a certain

apex in this film.

NICHOLAS RUCKA: The

detective has a wife who's

dealing with some sort

of mental illness,

and there's these murders

that are happening where

the people that

are committing them

go from being normal

to sort of enter

into these mesmeric states, and

they do these horrible crimes.

[japanese speech]

And the linchpin seems to be

this young man who is handsome,

but he's also of very few words.

He speaks in kind of riddles.

[japanese speech]

He's like the anti-Joker

to Koji Yakusho's Batman.

There's so much beautiful

setup in that movie.

It's almost like the

Japanese version of Seven

this serial k*ller

movie in a way

that just twists it all on its

head, and it just grabs you.

And there's so much long buildup

between moments of violence

which are fairly matter

of fact in that movie.

[suspenseful music]

[g*nsh*t]

This is a film that's

basically a world that's sort

of slowly going out of control.

It's going crazy.

I think it is sort of

a response to a society

that it's like, everyone's

acting really busy.

This is all really

important, what we're doing.

But, wait, what are we doing?

What is this all for?

[japanese speech]

PROFESSOR AKIRA MIZUTA LIPPIT:

Kurosawa makes films that reveal

the extraordinary

in the ordinary,

and I think that's

his unique talent.

So even a film like Cure,

which is so atmospheric and so

stylized, is filled with

so many domestic scenes,

so many ordinary

interactions between people,

between detectives and

professors and doctors in a way

that might indicate

melodrama rather than horror.

And yet somehow the strangeness

seeps into those moments.

[music intensifies]

I know a lot of

people don't like cure,

and they don't like the

fact that it makes you feel

kind of crummy, kind of grimy.

It's like there's no answers.

But as a horror movie, boy

RYUHEI KITAMURA:

Kiyoshi Kurosawa,

he has very specific

directing style,

visual style, even the way

he uses the sound and music.

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI:

It's working at a level

where sometimes you don't

know exactly what it is you're

supposed to be scared of.

[intriguing music]

PROFESSOR AKIRA MIZUTA

LIPPIT: Pulse, I think,

is a really tremendous film

in its ability to create

a terrifying narrative.

[suspenseful music]

RYUHEI KITAMURA: I

think that movie don't

fit into this Hollywood movie

making act one, act two, act

three character arc so

while you're watching it,

you don't really understand

the story or the theme

or the character arc.

But something grabbed

me, this atmosphere.

EARNEST DICKERSON: It's kind of

like a new modern ghost story,

and they're really,

really, really creepy.

There's this one image of this

woman ghost that's approaching,

and just how she moves

PROFESSOR AKIRA MIZUTA

LIPPIT: It's a ghost story

about the world of ghosts being

overpopulated as if there was

a kind of finite

number of ghosts

that the afterlife

could support.

[japanese speech]

And the ghost

starts seeping back

into the world of the living

through online connections.

So on first glance, it appears

to be a film about the horrors

of a new technology.

[phone ringing]

[shouting]

But that film is really

about loneliness.

It's about isolation.

It's about the horror

of being alone

[japanese speech]

which is, I think,

something that

is particularly pertinent

to Japanese life

and Japanese postwar life.

[japanese speech]

When the movie gets to

like 70 minutes, 80 minutes,

it's almost like the end

of the world, you know

very apocalyptic feeling.

It made me feel like I was

watching something more than

just a ghost movie, and

I think that's probably

one of the things that

makes J-horror stands out is

you can't really get it why.

It's not like you k*ll

somebody, you get cursed.

It's not that simple, right?

There's always

multiple layers to it,

and you don't really

understand why

why suddenly this is

the end of the world.

[screams]

[vibrant music]

NICHOLAS RUCKA: Kiyoshi

Kurosawa said in an interview

that when it comes to

horror, there's only

three endings you can have.

One insanity.

[shouts]

NICHOLAS RUCKA: Two

you become the m*rder*r.

[g*nshots]

Or three the world ends.

[roaring flames]

And if you watch his

movies, that's basically it.

[expl*si*n]

[screams]

[japanese speech]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: Noroi

The Curse, I think,

is one of the greatest found

footage films ever made.

It's basically a

film that is about

this documentarian journalist

filmmaker who explores

supernatural phenomena.

But the beginning of

the film conveys to us

that this filmmaker

has disappeared

after making the

film that you're

about to watch called Noroi.

[japanese speech]

And so sort of this idea

of the film you're watching

is about the making of the

film that you're watching,

that sort of meta level.

I think adds to that creepiness.

The director, Koji Shiraishi,

works a lot within found

footage, and it really

seems like a genre

he's consistently

interested in exploring

and using the aesthetic of.

But this is the most densely

layered version of it.

[japanese speech]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: It's

just a complete mimicry

of all these different

media forms, including

Japanese variety,

television that

lends credence and

sort of authenticity

to this ghost story.

[japanese speech]

One of the reasons I think

that filmmaker loves working

within sort of found

footage or faux documentary

is there something that applies

to the video in The Ring.

You'll never see

clearly with some

of that old video, whether

it's VHS or whether it's DV.

There's always

going to be grain,

or there's something that,

at least in our eyes, feels obscured

[shrieking]

and thus feels

creepier, thus feels

like there's hidden layers,

thus feels like more

potential for the supernatural.

And I think that's really cool.

[creepy sounds]

[japanese speech]

TODD KUSHIGEMACHI: It's

kind of a detective story

as you kind of follow

the different lines,

but it's basically

about this ritual

to pacify this ancient

demon that stopped abruptly.

Part of it had to do with

one of the young women that

was involved in

this procedure seems

to have gotten possessed over

the course of this rituals.

[screams]

And I think it's really

important that the documentarian

is somebody who takes

this stuff at face value

because oftentimes

in horror films,

our point of identification

is the person

who doesn't believe this stuff.

This is a film where the people

that you are identifying with

are the people who

do believe this stuff

and are experts on this stuff.

One of the most sympathetic

characters that we really

align with is one

character who literally

has the iconic tinfoil hat.

His house is decked out.

Covered in aluminum.

He has a hat that's

covered in aluminum.

His clothes is

covered in aluminum.

But he's the one who sees all.

He's the one who

actually understands.

[japanese speech]

There are so many different

threads that collide.

And by the end, It

all comes together.

But it's also just out of

reach, which I think is also

part of the interesting thing.

It's all there, but

it's all not there.

[intriguing music]

[japanese speech]

[suspenseful music]

PROFESSOR AKIRA MIZUTA LIPPIT:

The Japanese cinema in its best

instances is often in

the hands of people

who are exploring

that medium to see

what is possible with

this set of tools.

[shouts]

PROFESSOR AKIRA

MIZUTA LIPPIT: And you

see the range of filmmakers that

would fall under that category,

whether we are talking

about the great masters

of Japanese classical cinema

to contemporary filmmakers

[growling]

to experimental filmmakers

to arthouse independent

and so forth.

And horror, I think certainly

contemporary but really

historically, is one

of the genres in which

that experimentation and that

discovery, that exploration

happens time and again.

[music intensifies]

[splat]

[creepy music]

[japanese speech]

[shouting]

[japanese speech]

[screams]

[suspenseful music]

[shouts]

[japanese speech]

[groaning]

[gasps]

[croaking]

[shouting]

[japanese speech]

[intriguing music]

[japanese speech]

[jaunty music]

[japanese speech]

[g*nsh*t]

[japanese speech]

Scientists talk about laughter

having come originally

from a fear response

as a way of mitigating

fear or shock,

a negative as opposed

to a joyful thing.

A really good horror filmmaker

knows that they kind of have

you riding the line of a laugh.

We're gonna have some laughs.

[Smooches, laughs]

I'll stop doing it

when you stop laughing.

[closing music]

[cats meowing]