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01x04 - A Barrel of Burnt Bones

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "How (Not) to Get Rid of a Body". Aired: September 4, 2024.*
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It explores the lengths K*llers have taken to get away with m*rder.

01x04 - A Barrel of Burnt Bones

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[metal grating]

The case was a true

whodunit mystery.

[Jody]

We had remains

but no identification.

It was just very cold,

very calculated.

Whoever did this,

they had a plan.

They were methodical.

Who would go through these

lengths to get rid of a body?

Investigators had an impossible

case to solve.

This is the Super Bowl,

the crime of all crimes.

We have to identify this victim

in order to catch the k*ller.

I was wondering,

did we meet our match?

[suspenseful music playing]

[Jody]

On Friday, July 12,

2002, the Pennsylvania State

Police received a call about

a potential body

that was found in Jackson

Township, Monroe County.

[distant sirens wailing]

Our team responded to

process the scene.

It was a pull-off site along

a very rural road.

The body was located in two

55-gallon burn barrels.

Because of the level of

decomposition, and the burning,

the smell was

absolutely putrid.

So our team had to get

respirators from

a local fire company.

It was obvious that there was

no way this was an accident.

It was brutal homicide.

[Shawn]

I've worked hundreds of

homicides, but this is one of

the most gruesome cases

I ever experienced.

I knew that this was gonna be

a difficult case to solve.

[indistinct radio chatter]

investigators then spoke with

the discoverer of the body,

George Newhart.

George Newhart said he was

operating a septic business

and so when his truck was full

up, he would pull into

the location and pump it out

into this tanker.

When he got there, he got out of

the truck and now, this is a man

who deals in human waste,

and he was overwhelmed by

the -- the stench.

[Shawn]

And he found two barrels that

were somewhat smoldering and as

he started sifting through some

things a little bit, he realized

this was human remains.

[indistinct radio chatter]

[Will]

The first person that

investigators started looking

at was George.

They checked his whereabouts,

they checked his work logs,

it actually checked out.

So George was not

a person of interest.

So investigators got to put

the body together, they've got

to identify this person.

[Shawn]

It was very late when

investigators initially got

there, so the investigation

really got going on

the following day,

on July 13th.

[sustained mysterious tones]

[Jody]

In one barrel was

the victim's torso,

in the other barrel was

the victim's

head and extremities.

Also in the barrel, were

maggots, some of which were

burnt, which tells us that

the victim has been

dead for -- for some time.

[birds singing]

[Will]

So investigators know that at

this point from that call

and the time that George,

the person who found the body,

was at the properties there's

a 10-hour window from when this

body could have been dumped.

[heavy breathing through mask]

[Jody]

Our team processed

the scene to remove

the victim from

both barrels.

And they sort of had to figure

out, OK, what body parts do

we have?

What don't we have here?

And they put down a sheet on

the ground and started

putting this human back

together again.

At that point,

we couldn't determine if it was

a man or a woman.

Due to the fact that

they were dismembered,

decomposing, and burnt.

And given the condition

of the victim,

DNA testing was gonna

take a while.

It was definitely clear to me

that this person or persons

who k*lled this individual went

through great lengths to try

and dispose of the body

and make sure that

he or she were

never identified.

[birds singing]

[distant cow mooing]

[Jody]

When removing the victim from

the burn barrel,

we discovered a piece of blue

plastic or vinyl,

and we recovered duct tape.

We recovered a rope,

remnants of clothing,

cigarette butts, all these

things that we thought may

or may not be related

to our crime.

But how big is your scene?

Was the victim k*lled

and dismembered here

or somewhere else?

You don't know.

You're talking about a remote

area of the Poconos.

So it already set the case

into a difficult status because

they are looking at so much

ground to cover.

We had cadaver dogs go through

the woods looking for evidence.

But there's no indication

or evidence that this crime had

occurred here.

This person was k*lled

and dismembered somewhere else.

[Shawn]

Fortunately, the property did

have a cable going across it,

a 40-foot cable,

and it was low.

There was a lock on it,

and it would have taken two

people to get their vehicle

underneath that cable, one to

hold it up, one to drive

the vehicle up to the barrels.

So we believe there's

two offenders,

and we know that a vehicle had

to enter this property because

there was no evidence of

dragging from the road.

Then the speculation

part started, you know.

Who could have done

anything like this?

It's scary to think of the type

of person who would go to these

lengths to try and get away

with this m*rder.

[Shawn]

So we are trying to think

like the offender.

Was it someone that got off

the interstate and decided to

dispose of this individual in

these burn barrels?

Or that someone had more of

an intimate knowledge of this

property, being that they knew

that the burned barrels

would be there?

[birds singing]

[low, suspenseful music playing]

When the investigation started,

there's a lot of people working

on it, multiple agencies.

You have this

two-pronged approach.

On one hand, you've got

the investigators looking on

the ground, looking for

witnesses, looking for anyone

with any information about

this crime.

Then on the other hand,

you've got the forensic team

in the lab trying to work on

identifying the body.

[Jody]

As we begin this process,

we know

DNA is gonna take a while.

But right out of the gate at

the autopsy,

we're looking at the victim's

head and extremities.

And there's one thing we know --

the victim is male.

[Shawn]

He was stabbed multiple times.

His right orbital was crushed.

His nose was fractured.

His tibia was broken.

Not only was this person

dismembered, they went through

a lot of trauma.

[Jody]

Seeing what happened to this

individual makes me sick.

He's cut up into pieces,

torched, and thrown out

like garbage.

And we consider that

a challenge to find the truth

and bring those responsible

to justice.

[Shawn]

We know that the body was

wrapped in a blue plastic.

And our forensic units

looked at a logo

and did some research.

[Jody]

We discovered the logo on it,

and it's a popular brand.

They make air mattresses.

We don't know where or when

the mattress was purchased.

We don't know how

it's related to this crime,

or where it fits in.

It's just another piece

to the puzzle.

We know that there's a k*ller

out there.

So it's very crucial to

identify that victim.

[Jody]

The quickest way of identifying

the victim would be

through fingerprints.

But the hands were

severely dehydrated.

They were leathery, very hard.

They're shriveled up.

Being exposed to the extreme

heat, they're very small,

almost like that of a child's.

That makes dealing with that

piece of human

fingertip difficult.

The left thumb was the best

fingerprint that we had

to work with, but it was small,

so it was a slow process.

[Will]

The K*llers had a plan to cover

all their tracks.

You don't put pieces of a body

into two separate barrels

and set them on fire unless

you don't want to be found.

[fire crackling]

[Shawn]

It was so disgusting --

you don't get

that smell out of your head.

Who would go through these

lengths to get rid of a body?

We knew that we were dealing

with something

very evil at this point.

[crickets chirping]

[fire crackling]

[Shawn]

We have an unidentified

individual that was

m*rder*d horribly,

dismembered and burned in

a couple burn barrels.

We want to identify this person

at all costs, because ultimately

we want a family to know

what happened to

their loved one,

number one.

Number two, we have to identify

that person in order to

catch the k*ller.

[Shawn]

So weeks, they turn

into months,

and we were thinking outside

the box and doing everything

we could to

identify the victim.

It's very frustrating with

an unidentified person when

you can't make that connection

to who they are.

It feels like

the investigation stalls.

So my partner reached out to

a forensic artist,

and he recreates with clay

and his artistry and gives us

a face of this victim.

We were hoping to get some type

of face out there.

We're working with the media to

get this information out there

because we have to identify

this victim.

We were doing

everything we could.

However, the victim's identity

still wasn't known.

There's a family connected to

this person.

The investigators were

frustrated.

Can you imagine trying to

solve a crime

where the evidence is

basically burned in pieces?

[Shawn]

So at this point, we're doing

everything we can.

We're looking at new avenues,

anything we can do to think

outside the box and move

forward with this investigation.

You have the human emotion

and the professional emotion,

but we were never gonna

give up.

We weren't going to stop

fighting for that victim.

And so we continued

and continued and continued

to investigate.

We believe there's two

offenders based on the cable.

Whoever did this,

they had a plan.

They were methodical.

So you have to think,

did the person or people

responsible for this really get

away with m*rder?

Then we get about a year

outside of the investigation,

and there was a very well-known

case back in the summer of 2003

that came to light with

an individual named

Hugo Selenski.

[news broadcast]

Hugo Selenski is accused of

k*lling two people,

burning and then burying

their remains at

a Kingston Township home

where he lived.

Three other sets of remains

were found here.

He's a suspect in those

deaths too.

These murders were committed in

May of 2002, just two months

before they found the body in

Jackson Township.

Could Hugo Selenski be

connected to this m*rder?

[Jody]

There were a lot of

similarities between

Hugo Selenski's crimes

and this crime.

He used duct tape to

bind his victims.

He brutally bludgeoned

his victims.

He burned his victims to

ash, literally.

[Shawn]

This happened only miles from

where our scene was

of the burn barrels

and the dismembered body.

So it really piqued

our interest, and we wanted to

find out, is there a nexus

between the two cases?

Does our victim have any

connection to Hugo Selenski?

We knew we had to keep pressing

on, and it really all came back

to identifying the victim.

I had this fingerprint from

our victim's left thumb,

but it was dehydrated,

shriveled up.

So I started thinking,

what can we do?

We're looking at this print,

looks like

a child's fingerprint.

what if we enlarge it

incrementally and run it

through the system as many

times as it takes,

little by little, enlarge,

submit, enlarge, submit.

And, you know, fortunately,

it paid off.

[Shawn]

Lo and behold, in November of

2003, we get a hit on

a fingerprint, and our victim

is now given a name

of Robert Roudebush.

[Jody]

It was such a great victory

and great relief.

So as excited as I am,

as we all are,

like our work's just beginning.

Who is Robert Roudebush?

Who would want to k*ll him?

So we reached out

to the family.

We want to learn as much about

Bob as possible.

And once we talked to them,

we started getting a better

picture of who Bob is.

Bob was my stepbrother.

His mother and my father were

married in 1981.

When I first met Bob

and got to know him,

he was very fun-loving,

he was kind,

and seemed like someone who

just loved life and loved

people, and was just trying to

find his own way.

I had moved to Reno and was

starting work at the new hotel.

His mother was also starting to

work in the same area.

Bob was a security guard at

one of the casinos.

So many times we would meet up

with him at the casino.

The three of us would just have

a really good time together.

Bob was just part

of the family.

We all became

a family together.

Bob was trying to find his way.

He decided

to go into the Marine Corps.

After the Marines, Bob had

relocated to the East Coast.

Bob's mother told me, you know,

like, that he had moved

to Pennsylvania,

that he had a girlfriend.

She expressed concern,

because he had not contacted her

on her birthday.

No matter what, he would never

miss her birthday.

And then in the winter,

she called me and told me that

the Corning police had come to

the home to tell her that

his remains had been identified

as a m*rder victim

in Pennsylvania.

I was horrified.

I just couldn't imagine someone

doing that to another human

being, and then just dumping

like a piece of garbage.

How could they be so cold?

They didn't care about anything

except covering up

their own heinous act.

[Shawn]

Before we knew Bob's identity,

we conducted hundreds

and hundreds of interviews.

Now that we have his identity,

we're going to conduct hundreds

and hundreds more.

We are going to get to

the bottom of this.

We have to do everything

possible to catch the k*ller.

It was definitely one of those

cases where I thought,

maybe we've met our match.

[calm music playing]

So we were working on this

investigation for a year

and a half, and finally

we have an identification

of the victim,

Bob Roudebush.

[Jody]

It's like a shot of adrenaline.

But we still didn't have

a crime scene as to where

the victim was k*lled at.

These individuals were smart

enough to transport that body

and did a pretty good job of

destroying it almost to

the point of not

identifying the victim.

Fortunately, that

didn't happen.

Through interviews,

we identify Bob's girlfriend.

We go to talk to her.

She had not seen him for

quite some time.

She never filed a missing

person report because

their relationship was

sort of over.

It was strained.

She kind of moved on

with her life at this point.

We asked, "Is there anyone that

would want to hurt Bob?

"Was there any connection to

an individual named Hugo

Selenski, who k*lled

multiple people?"

[Jody]

When you have Hugo Selenski

burning bodies on his property,

it's only logical to think that

there may be --

there may be

a connection between the two.

[Shawn]

She told us she wasn't aware

of anybody that

wanted to hurt Bob.

And she had no connection to

Hugo Selenski.

Periodically, I'd find myself

going out and searching just to

see if there had been anything

new about what had happened

and any suspects.

There was sadness, there was

an emptiness that was there,

and it was just so hard.

[Jody]

At this point,

you can't give up.

You gotta keep on going.

But at the end of the day,

it got very frustrating because

every lead, every idea,

everything we tried

went nowhere.

Around the time we released

the identity to the press,

we received a call from James

Britton, an inmate who says

he has information regarding

this investigation.

James Britton had recently been

extradited from California on

a theft charge, and was sitting

in that Columbia County prison.

He said he knew the victim,

so this, of course,

gave investigators that hope

that this could be

the break in the case.

We went down to

the Columbia County Prison,

and I conducted an interview.

He tells us, in 2002,

he was living in the city of

Wilkes-Barre

with his wife, Stacy.

[Will] James Britton tells

investigators that he was

friends with the victim

because they were ex-Marines,

but he thinks that the person

who may have did this

was his neighbor,

Larry Tooley.

Larry Tooley was also a Marine,

so the three of them kind of

all got along.

James said that Larry

was dating a girl

that Bob was starting to have

sort of an affair with.

And as time went on, bad blood

started between Bob and Larry.

James said that Bob was

supposed to come to a barbecue

at the Brittons' house on July

4th, but he didn't show up,

and James said he never talked

to him again.

Then James said that in July

that same month,

that Bob went missing,

James went on to tell us

a story how he was assaulted by

Larry Tooley.

[Will]

James says that Larry

p*stol-whipped him

and threatened to r*pe his wife

all over a stolen MP3 player.

But then James

drops a bombshell.

Larry tells him to keep your

mouth shut, or I will cave in

your skull like Bob.

James was completely putting it

out there that Larry Tooley

had to be the person that

k*lled Bob,

and that he didn't want to

end up like him.

This is a shocking development

for the investigators.

Now, Larry Tooley was

well-known to the investigators

because Larry Tooley, at that

point in time, was incarcerated

on m*rder charges.

In November of 2002,

Larry k*lled a 16-year-old

during a home invasion.

Now, Bob was discovered in

July of 2002.

This is only four months apart.

So there was a lot of interest

in Larry Tooley at this point.

James was very believable,

and he became

this investigation's new

best friend.

[Will]

So at this point,

investigators have some

information, but this case is

still a mystery.

So of course, police have to

start corroborating all of this

information from James.

They want to get ahold of

James's wife, Stacy.

She is currently in jail in

San Diego.

[Shawn]

I reached out to Stacy Britton.

She immediately goes into Larry

Tooley and talking about being

assaulted, her husband being

p*stol whipped by him.

Now this is Stacy's words,

which were very similar

to her husband's.

She said, I'm gonna cave your

skull in and have

a mother [bleep] barbecue.

So she added that in there

too, a barbecue,

burning, burn barrels,

Bob's remains were lit on fire.

At this point, I'm thinking

we are really onto something.

Stacy Britton kind of

corroborated that same

information, but she gave

a few extra tidbits.

[Shawn]

So Stacy explained

that herself,

Larry Tooley, Bob Roudebush,

and her husband, James,

would go back and forth between

Wilkes-Barre and Newark,

New Jersey for business.

I said, "Well, would you ever

stop anywhere?"

And she said, "Are you talking

about North Road?"

She said, "Well, my brother

lives near there,

real close to there."

And I'm thinking the whole time

I can't believe that she just

said "North Road" to me,

that was a big clue,

a light bulb went off.

I knew from that point on,

Stacy was gonna be

my second best friend in

the investigation.

But I had no idea what was

ahead on this case.

[ominous music playing]

[Shawn]

I knew that once the victim was

identified, we would make moves

in the right direction.

At this point,

we're thinking Larry Tooley,

and, or Hugo Selenski, have to

be tied into the m*rder of

Bob Roudebush.

So we're gonna explore every

possible aspect before we make

our next move.

[Michael]

Larry Tooley was

a known k*ller.

And he had access to where

Bob's remains were discovered.

So all of that -- all of that

was the focus initially.

Investigators know from James

and Stacy Britton that Bob

possibly was sleeping with

Tooley's girlfriend.

So this could be

a possible motive.

Investigators right away say,

"We need to get

more information."

[Shawn]

We knew Larry Tooley

was incarcerated.

So we went to the next

best person.

We went to

Larry Tooley's girlfriend.

She says, "Listen, I wasn't

having an affair with

Bob Roudebush."

She said, "They're liars,

don't believe anything

that they say."

She actually described them

as scumbags.

And she said some of

the Brittons' information was

kind of exaggerated.

In fact, the girlfriend said

she only saw Bob

and Larry Tooley together on

one occasion.

It was very different than what

the Brittons had told me.

So we thought maybe the Brittons

were using that

as a deflection,

you know, and trying to give,

like, a smokescreen.

They definitely knew more than

they were saying.

[Shawn]

The Brittons had been

very believable.

However, we were starting to

think, I wonder if this is

a story they created to push

blame off themselves.

We know that there were some

inconsistencies in

their stories

that were red flags.

Are they omitting things?

Are they lying to us?

[Jody]

Anyone could have done it.

We have a pool of people that

are possible suspects,

but we still need that one clue

or piece of evidence

to push us in

the right direction.

[Shawn]

So we give it some time.

We heard the Brittons were

getting out of prison,

and we tried to initiate

another interview with both of

them together.

It seemed to me like James

did wanna talk.

However, Stacy was having no

part of that,

and she shut down the interview.

[Jody]

We have all these leads.

We're looking at all these

puzzle pieces floating out

there, but we don't have

a focal point

because we don't have

a crime scene.

And it's frustrating.

It's, you know, hard as hell,

but Robert has a family,

and we'd like to give them

answers and give them

some closure.

The police were working

diligently to try

and solve his m*rder.

It was just so hard.

We needed to know what happened

and why it happened.

[Will]

Whoever committed this crime

planned this in such a way

where they wouldn't get caught.

There's a lot of roads that

lead off in different

directions but it doesn't seem

like it's leading to the person

or people who committed

this m*rder.

[Jody]

Finally, in 2015, we get a call

from Stacy Britton.

Apparently, she wants to

talk to us.

I couldn't believe that she was

reaching out again

after all these years.

She said she and James weren't

husband and wife anymore,

but they were living together

and things weren't going well.

She says she's in fear of

James, and her life's coming

apart, and she needs to talk to

somebody about this,

and I could tell

she was upset,

but she wanted to tell us

a story.

I knew that that was

a tipping point,

and I was never prepared for

what she was about to tell.

On August 14, 2015,

we finally got that break.

During the phone call

from Stacy,

she told us that

her ex-husband, James Britton,

actually k*lled Bob Roudebush.

If James Britton k*lled Bob,

I knew that we had to act

on it quick.

The case was ice cold and then

it went red hot,

just like that.

And we felt we had enough to

charge James.

So we took James into custody

and we set up

a recorded interview.

And that's where James went into

his version of what

actually happened on

July 4, 2002.

At this point Stacy and James

are both trying to pin it on

each other and investigators

have to figure out

what really happened to Bob.

[Michael]

Now it started to become more

like a cat and mouse scenario

and with every increase in

detail, Stacy was becoming more

and more of

an active participant.

[Shawn]

We had more questions.

So my partner brought Stacy

back to one of our state police

stations, and that's where

they conducted

her videotaped interview.

She sort of excluded herself

from all the heavy duty,

the k*lling part.

However, she proceeded

to talk about

what had happened to Bob

and the dismemberment,

her own confession to what

she had done.

I was ecstatic.

[Michael]

Stacy went into all that awful

detail about how she disposed

of the body, and using garden

shears, and a sledgehammer,

and an axe, just awful stuff.

[Shawn]

She said after

the dismemberment, they had to

get the body out of there.

So they used an air mattress.

They carried Bob's remains.

And they proceeded to go to

North Road.

And someone had to

hold the cable.

[Shawn]

And Stacy

lit the remains on fire

and they fled there.

I think Stacy thought because

she had blamed her husband for

k*lling Bob, that she was

going to be OK,

and wouldn't be arrested.

[Michael]

It appeared Stacy was going to

beat James to the punch by

blaming it on him before

he could blame her.

I called it "the nuclear

option," because it wound up

bringing both of them down.

They each admitted enough about

their own involvement to

clearly make them culpable

in the m*rder.

[Shawn]

For years, we heard this story

from the Brittons about Larry

Tooley committing this crime,

and there was

the Hugo Selenski angle

as well.

Deep down inside myself and my

partner, we always thought,

there's just more to this.

It doesn't make sense.

[Jody]

They thought they committed

the perfect m*rder,

but they were wrong.

[Shawn]

They got rid of the body,

got rid of evidence.

Their stories were very

similar, however,

the devil's in the details.

And I think ultimately it was

their own words that --

that was the best evidence.

So investigators arrest both

James and Stacy.

In October of 2016, James took

the plea and was sentenced to

15 to 30 years in state prison

for m*rder in the third degree,

abuse of corpse, and perjury.

But Stacy insisted on

going to trial.

[news broadcast]

After 14 years of police trying

to find the person

who allegedly k*lled

46-year-old Robert Roudebush,

Stacy Britton is heading into

a Monroe County courtroom to

face charges.

[Will]

November of 2016,

Stacy Britton is convicted of

first-degree m*rder,

hindering,

apprehension, and conspiracy.

She's sentenced

to life in prison

without the possibility

of parole.

What she did to

get rid of Bob, it was worse

than a horror movie.

You can't do this to a human

being and get away with it.

[Jody]

This is the Super Bowl,

the crime of all crimes,

and I'm proud to be a part of

the team that brought justice

to the victim.

I think it's so interesting

that it was their own mouths

that ended up doing them in.

They had to tell on

one another.

They just had such a volatile

relationship

that it got the best of them.

And I am very, very thankful

that the police stayed on this

because nobody deserves what

was done to Bob, nobody.

♪♪

[metal dragging]

You have no choice

but to think the worst.

Christina had been missing

longer than she had been alive.

We had always hoped to bring

Christina home.

Whoever did this really

knew what they were doing

and did not want her found.