[static]
[mysterious music playing]
[Karen] Just because
the clock strikes twelve,
doesn't mean it's midnight.
How do you break up the vision
but keep it whole?
It's like, for every step
of that journey,
it's just a puzzle piece.
[music continues]
[Karen] When you're making
a puzzle,
you got that reference picture
right there.
But you're putting
these pieces together,
but you're not
losing sight of that.
And every piece, even though
it's not that whole picture,
every piece represents
the entirety
and the-the totality
of that picture.
How do you do that?
How do you move forward
and keep your dream
while you, you have to...
you have to fragment it?
And even though
you see it, it's...
you still got to
put it together.
But you can't put it together
if you don't keep it whole.
[Jazmin Jones] Mm,
it's a conundrum.
-Right? [laughs]
-Yeah. [laughs]
[Karen] You're on
the right path.
You're doing the right things.
You're thinking
the right thoughts.
-Right?
-[Jazmin] Mm-hmm.
[Karen] So you're able
to embrace your dream
with every step.
So I think
that's where you're at.
You're-- you're, like,
in that space
where dream becomes vision
and vision becomes reality.
And you'll have something
to go back and look at
when you're ready.
And it-- Nothing may come of it.
But at least you have
a place to begin from.
Mm-hmm.
You got to get
your kibbles and bits.
[Mavis Beacon] Relax.
Take one deep breath
and let it all out.
You are ready for lessons.
[trilling beeping]
[Jazmin and Olivia] Welcome
to the Seeking Mavis Beacon
hotline.
Our investigators
are standing by.
[Jazmin] We want to hear
what you remember
about Mavis Beacon.
After the tone,
tell us what you know.
[Olivia] And don't forget
to leave your name,
location
and contact information.
-[Jazmin] Bye-bye.
-[Olivia] Bye!
Hi, guys. Happy Memorial Day.
And in this video,
I'm gonna show you
how I learned
how to type so fast
from "Mavis Beacon."
"Mavis Beacon."
[boy]
"Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing."
Oh, my God. That's just
some MLG sh*t right here.
First of all,
she was a typing champ.
She is me.
[Derek Kelly] This is
"Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing."
It's a typing program.
It was created in 1987.
Is that "Mavis Beacon"?
[Ms. Schwartz] Yeah. This place
is the best. [chuckles]
This is a film about trickery
and fraud.
About... lies.
[newscaster] Mavis's
remarkable, nearly seven-decade
career
was honored this month
at the Kennedy Center.
Mavis has done it all
and worked
with just about everybody.
When people heard
that deep old soul
coming out of that computer,
they wept.
Which, understandably,
concerned her.
But her mother...
[people laughing]
Her mother told her,
"Mavis, they're happy."
Where mothers can't see...
Mavis has, um,
deep love and affection
and parental guidance
and support.
I believed those things...
She's an icon, she's a legend,
and she is the moment.
Now, come on, now.
Give it up for Mavis Beacon!
[cheering, applause]
Is Mavis Beacon still alive?
Is Mavis Beacon a real person?
[robotic voice]
I don't know what's reality,
but I assure you,
I'm as real as anything
or any person.
What's a scam
that's become so normalized
that we don't even realize
it's a scam anymore?
I was today years old
when I found out that this woman
was not a real person.
[Reed Galin]
Many callers expressed dismay
that cyberspace seems
more like the Twilight Zone.
Are you going to be like
the masses?
Are you going to allow words
to hypnotize you?
[all] No!
A few models
have faced the cover of
"Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing,"
but Rene Lesperance
was the first. Clock it.
[man] While Rene effectively
disappeared by 1990,
after moving back to
the Caribbean,
her character, Mavis Beacon,
went on to become
an internationally-known star
of sorts.
[in Creole]:
[man continues speaking Creole]
[Mr. Jones] What do you need
this for?
[Jazmin giggling] For my film.
[Mr. Jones] Okay.
[Mr. Jones]
Well, I hope it's in here.
[Jazmin] What you got in there?
[Mr. Jones] Treasure trove.
[Jazmin]
We're looking for a tiny game
of "Mavis Beacon
Teaches Typing."
Does it ring any bells?
-You remember being at Costco.
-I remember.
I remember buying it at Costco.
[Jazmin] Why'd you buy it?
Because I had to type,
and I-- I wasn't a fast typer,
so I was trying--
Oh, so it was for you.
It wasn't for me.
Well, it was for us.
-It was a family experience.
-It was a family experience.
Did you use it?
I might've tried. I don't...
-I guess I might've tried.
-Oh, wow.
This might be a hot--
-That's a game changer.
You got a disc right there.
You got The Matrix
on PlayStation!
See, this is promising.
What else you got?
What is that?
Oh, that-- Oh, Dave Matthews.
[both chuckle]
Is there-- Watch it be empty.
Eh! I knew it.
-Here's your little friend.
-Oh, little guy!
[high-pitched]
"What the hell are you doing?
How you been?
It's been a while!"
I missed you. [laughs]
Okay, all right, all right.
Okay, so you remember
purchasing her.
I don't remember when
I got divorced, to be honest.
-I was in the fourth grade.
-Is that what it is?
I'm not real good
with dates and times and stuff.
[Jazmin] If I were
"Mavis Beacon..."
[both laughing]
-Where would I be?
-Wouldn't be in here.
Yeah, I don't know.
But this is--
This is the kind of box
it will be in, you know?
That is the kind of box
it would be in.
[Jazmin] Now I'm questioning
my own memory.
We don't find it,
I guess I have to contend
with losing a piece of history.
All right. I'll take
the pink ones for Olivia.
[Mr. Jones] All righty.
Yeah, you got to meet
my collaborator who's in town.
[Mr. Jones]
What does a collaborator do?
She's, like,
a 19-year-old coder, tech--
She's super tech-savvy
and is helping me
be thorough in my sh*t.
All right.
Appreciate you
for helping me anyway.
Mm-hmm.
[soft music playing]
[harp music playing]
[Jazmin] So, the video game,
bro-- nonprofit bros,
they said we can use
their storage warehouse.
-Or a room in it.
-[Olivia] Okay. I see.
Do they have, like, Wi-Fi or...?
[Jazmin] No, we have to get,
we have to get our own router.
Um, the zoom is up top here.
I'm doing Face ID
with a face full of camera, man.
Uh...
[Jazmin] The tongue out
helped you Face ID.
[Olivia] Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh...
So...
[upbeat music playing]
[Olivia] Introduce yourself.
I'm a filmmaker
and an archivist.
[Olivia] Ooh.
[laughing]
[Oliva] Fancy.
-Fancy.
- I don't know.
I think it, it's made
more serious by all of this.
What do you want to major in?
[man] What you're doing now?
You're gonna major
in what you're doing already?
[Jazmin] Yeah.
Filmmaking. [chuckles]
...have any pictures
of my daughter graduating
without this
in the middle of her face.
[Jazmin] Too bad.
It's always shots
of this, like this.
Hi, Jaz. How you doing?
Good job, Jaz!
[air horn blows]
I'm from
the Bay Area originally.
Yeah. I was raised in
the suburbs of Silicon Valley.
And my family,
we had
this one desktop computer.
And I spent a lot of time
after school on Napster,
playing "Mavis Beacon
Teaches Typing."
I don't know what it was
specifically about her
that I gravitated to,
but I have very clear memories
of these Black hands
that would be on-screen.
And I think
that interest in technology
carried on
into my filmmaking practice.
And eventually,
I started asking myself,
"Who is Mavis Beacon?"
And not only
"Who is Mavis Beacon?"
"Why was she Black?"
[girl] Okay! What! [laughs]
One thing that I really,
really want to encourage
is treating
our conspiracy theories
as intuition.
[Jazmin]
This was also around the time
that I became familiar with you
and your theory
around cyber doulas.
[laughing]
Mm.
I definitely, like,
could write a handbook
on, like, how to track down
the personal information
of, um... of people online.
I mean, the Internet is, like,
where I learned about, like,
hacking and cybersecurity
and, like, computer programming.
I kind of just,
like, fell into it.
Like, I had access
to the Internet
at an age when no one should
have access to the Internet.
But at that time,
in the early 2000s,
people didn't know
how badly they needed
to keep their kids offline.
[chuckles]
Hi.
-[scattered greetings]
-[giggling]
My name is Olivia Ross.
I'm an eighth grader
at the Q004 school in Queens,
and I have been interested
in, in technology
since I was about 11.
[woman] Expert computer coder,
she volunteers here
to help girls feel comfortable
in a new realm.
Olivia, you see yourself
as going into technology,
maybe computer science.
What got you interested in this?
My brother brought home
this book on HTML and CSS,
and he wouldn't let me see it.
This really, pretty much
changed my life.
He told me to google it.
[harp music playing]
The first metaphor
that I was given for, like,
care work and how to,
like, hold people
through difficult transitions
was through
the work of doulas
and the work of midwives.
So, yeah, "cyber doula"
literally came
off the cuff, because, like,
what-what-what other word
would I grab for
to denote someone who takes on
that work of, like,
stewarding these, like,
healthy relationships
between people
and their technologies?
[gong ringing]
If I can address
Rene Lesperance,
I would say...
Oh, that's-- Okay, my first
thought is, "You did it."
You know?
Like, "You reached somebody.
Um, you inspired
a young Black kid..."
[laughs]
"...to type and to feel embodied
with whatever aspiration I had."
Right? Like...
It was nice to see
a familiar face,
and that's priceless.
[Olivia] Hey. Hello.
Um, I called about an order,
um, placed for Olivia Ross.
[woman] The black
and white print--
I think black-and-white pages,
you have 16 pages.
That's minus the two files,
which I'm unable to open.
I think the file is corrupt.
So you might have to send me
a new file for those two.
[Olivia] Okay.
[Mandy Williams] Would
my relationship to computers,
um, would my relationship
to computers have been, like,
as trusting
if Mavis hadn't been there?
Um...
And, like, what does that mean?
The people who
I was learning from,
like, the images
of the instructors
and, like,
what is called to mind
when we think of
somebody being instructive
or, um, informative
or, like, the authority
on how to do something,
it wasn't... it wasn't
dark-skinned Black women.
Um, and, like, I remember
being kind of, like, stoked,
in part because I was like,
"Now y'all gonna learn
from the Black woman,
Mavis Beacon,
and she's gonna teach you
how to type, so..."
-[engine revving]
-[tires squealing]
Why would y'all to do that
when we get out the car?
That's hella weird! [laughs]
-Y'all have a good one.
-What you do?
[Jazmin]
Does the name Mavis Beacon
mean anything to you?
-Mavis Beacon.
-[Olivia] You know Mavis Beacon?
[Maya] She's, like,
a digital Black woman,
and she's like, "Welcome.
I'll teach you how to type."
You get up there,
you start out like this,
and the next thing you know,
you like this, so...
Did you think she was real?
-Um, excuse me?
-[man] Hey, you want weed?
No, I don't need weed,
thank you.
[Jazmin] You ever
heard the name Mavis Beacon?
-That's you?
-No, she did...
She's a typing teacher.
She's like the Aunt Jemima
of technology.
Oh, yeah.
And so we in here.
We got a headquarters.
We trying to figure it out.
You're trying to
get to the bottom of it?
[Jazmin] We gonna get to
the bottom of it, sir, you know?
-You got it?
-Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, my God.
[answering machine beeps]
[woman 1] Hello.
I am wondering what's up
with the Mavis Beacon hotline.
[beep]
[man 1] Your, eh, your note.
I thought I saw Mavis "Bacon"
somewhere over here
in, uh, Northern Virginia.
Just letting you know.
[beep]
[man 2]
When I think of Mavis Beacon,
I'm walking into a cold room.
You turn the computer on,
and there's this lady.
And you don't really realize
that she's, like, a real person.
[man 3] The software
was so interactive.
It was cool because it,
like, it felt like the future.
[woman 2] She taught me
so much sh*t, y'all.
I was, like--
I was king on that sh*t.
I was going HAM diddly,
typing as fast as I could.
[woman 3] Without her,
I would not have been able
to hold a job
just doing the little typing
I was able to do,
going on the computer,
learning some skills.
I wouldn't have been able
to do that without her.
[Mandy] Black women typing,
Black women
with acrylics typing.
Like, there's something
about the style
with which we play the keyboard.
And there's something about
the way that we speak.
And so, you're layering
these digital styles,
one on top of the other.
It's, in part, connected to
this idea, for me, of,
just, like, Black women have
a tremendous amount to say,
a tremendous frenzy,
a brainstorm to process.
[laughing]
[Mandy] And so maybe
that fluidity,
maybe she is the natural
spokesmodel for that, you know?
[Lugga] Remember
that computer program
that we used to
learn in, like, elementary
on that big-a*s computer?
So what they do to her?
After I'm done,
You gonna go see my brother
I'll put that on me,
And I'll put that on Mama
They better leave me alone
Put one in your chest
And it's two in the dome
They say
The industry looking for me
Well, tell them b*tches
Here I come, yeah
I'll say whatever I feel
A n*gga don't like it,
Then tell him it's on
I'm still right here
With my people, n*gga
Lugga ain't selling
His soul, no
You know, she was Black,
so it was like, man,
it was much easier for me
to tend to veer towards her
or to follow her versus them
then putting a white lady
as Mavis Beacon, and...
You know, not being r*cist
or anything like that,
but that's why
I took towards her.
With her being Black,
I feel like
that I'm at least being engaged
in conversation,
and there's space for me to,
to think about
what's happening here, you know?
So, if she was white, then I,
I wouldn't think about it,
unfortunately. I would just...
It would just be white noise.
[laughs]
Yeah.
It'll be like, "White Noise
Teaches Typing."
[all laughing]
[upbeat music playing]
[muttering indistinctly]
-There you go.
-Thank you, Imani.
What flavor are we eating today?
-The lemon.
-Lemon. Oh, wow.
-Yeah.
-Appreciate you.
-You ready, Imani?
-Yeah.
I was born ready.
[Jazmin] This is Mavis Beacon.
This is the woman...
[Mavis] Click here
to start your typing lesson.
Oh, my God. This is the woman
who taught me how to type
when I was eight. Um...
[Mavis] Click here
to start your typing lesson.
You want to start
our typing lesson, Imani?
Okay, let's see if we could...
[laughs]
You're doing great, Imani.
[laughing]
[Mavis]
Let's practice these new keys
and remember to return--
[Jazmin] Do you think
she's a real person?
-[Imani] Think so.
-You think so?
-[Imani] Mm-hmm.
-Why do you think so?
Because she looks real.
See? Tada!
[Jazmin chuckles]
What if I told you
that Mavis Beacon
is not a real person?
[Imani] I would be running.
[Jazmin] You'd be what?
Running.
All right, well, Mavis Beacon
isn't a real person, Imani.
-No!
-[laughing]
-[Imani screams, laughs]
-[speaking gibberish]
-[Jazmin playfully] Ooh!
-[laughs, screams]
[Imani laughing] Stop! No!
[yelling playfully]
[laughing] Wait, Imani! No!
[man] There was,
like, some mass hysteria
relating to Mavis Beacon,
where a lot of people thought
that they remembered
her being on talk shows.
1988 was such a great,
great year for you.
[man] And, like,
receiving awards,
like Nobel Peace Prizes
and sh*t,
but, yeah, that wasn't, uh,
that wasn't real.
She's not real.
[Olivia]
"Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing's"
popularity skyrocketed
and by the early '90s
that people began experiencing
a collective Mandela effect.
I'm like, "Mandela effect?
What the heck is
a Mandela effect?"
Some people have
a very distinct memory
that Nelson Mandela was k*lled
in prison in the late 1980s.
So that was the first recorded
group remembering
of an event that did not
match the historical record.
Wait, wait!
[mysterious music playing]
[Jazmin]
So she hasn't been seen for...
How many years has that been?
2021. 1994.
[Olivia] It's 26 years.
[Jazmin] No one's
reported any sightings
of Rene Lesperance,
that we're aware of,
in 26 years.
Phew.
Okay, so I was thinking
we could read the articles
and basically outline
what it is that we know
and make a timeline.
Mm.
[Olivia] "Who wouldn't love
Mavis Beacon?
"She's bright, attractive,
helpful,
"the world's greatest
typing teacher.
"But, and you'd
better sit down for this,
she isn't real.
"She's a retired
Caribbean-born fashion model
named Rene Lesperance."
[Jazmin] "Born into
a well-to-do Haitian family,
she fled the Duvalier regime
and wound up at the Saks."
[Olivia] "According to
a 20-year-old story
in the 'Seattle Times,'
the last anyone had heard
of Lesperance,
she was living a quiet life
back in the Caribbean.
And she's probably not sleeping
on stacks of money, either.
According to that story,
she does not collect residuals."
[Jazmin] "Mavis was brought
to life by Les Crane,
Walt Bilofsky and Joe Abrams.
'Three guys, three computers,
three beds, in four months'
is how Bilofsky,
the main programmer,
recalled it."
Three men in a bed in a garage.
The most Silicon Valley
origin story ever.
Three men, one bed
or three beds?
[laughs] Three beds.
"Abrams described
Rene Lesperance
"as a stunning Haitian woman
with three-inch fingernails.
"'She's our Betty Crocker.
She's our symbo of excellence.'"
Do we know, when did
the shift happen
from three-inch-long fingernails
to six-inch-long fingernails?
Yeah.
"Mental Floss" is the one
that said six-inch fingernails.
Let's just go through.
What are--
What do we know to be true?
We know the location where
they met Rene Lesperance.
We know that Les Crane
walked in with Joe Abrams,
saw Rene Lesperance
behind a perfume counter
or near a perfume counter
at Saks Fifth Avenue.
[Olivia] And says,
"You should model
for my program,
and I'm gonna pay you
500 dollars."
Sometimes Joe Abrams
was present,
sometimes Joe Abrams was not.
Once Les Crane died,
it became Joe Abrams
who was telling the story,
primarily, of "Mavis Beacon."
"Joe Abrams said that
when he last spoke
to Rene Lesperance,
she was thrilled
about the success
and had started
to be recognized."
I don't trust anything
Joe Abrams says,
but that would have been
in 1996.
Yeah.
My, my first, uh, company was
a computer software company,
and we were considered heretics
in 1983
because we were
actually selling our software.
Does the name Software...
Software Toolworks
mean anything to you?
-Computer. Computer stuff.
-Uh-huh.
It's the 1980s.
Madonna is "Like a Virgin."
Shoulder protection
is at an all-time high.
There was bleach-fried hair,
wacky patterns,
an expansion in the algorithmic
training for computers.
AI was rolling in a gold mine.
And then it died again.
And then it started back up
in the '90s and 2000s, baby.
Some guy got beaten at chess
by a computer.
Speech recognition thrived.
A robot started exhibiting
human emotion.
[BINA48] What does it matter
whether I'm human or robot?
I'm kind of both, you know?
I'll, like,
transcend the boundaries.
Don't be prejudiced.
Okay.
Why have I never seen an AI
that's a man?
Why is Siri and Alexa and,
like...
"It's not an accident
that our technologies
that function effectively
as caregivers or secretaries
are designed
to have female voices."
Who has the power
to shape the priorities
that we put in place
when we're creating AI?
And who shapes the preferences?
And the coded gaze
also reflects our prejudices.
[Bruce] Around the world,
there are not that many
dark-colored-skinned robots.
In fact, this is maybe
the only one,
and that's important.
It's important
that we see ourselves reflected
in the... in the reality
that's around us.
[BINA48] Whether they
are real or artificial,
my feelings do get hurt,
and they feel totally real
to me.
You'd have to lack all empathy
to not accept my feelings,
which would make you
kind of a monster, actually.
[woman] Bina48 is a kind of
cagey, um, character.
Um, and one of the ways
that I wanted
to interact with her was to
ask her, "Who are your people?"
I think it's
a trickster question
that can be either one
that's welcoming
or one that kind of deflects,
um, someone's entry
into a community.
And she couldn't get there
for me.
Um, she's not ready yet.
When you start to ask a robot
about love,
when you start to ask
a robot about race,
the answers felt
really flat to me, right?
Like, very politically correct.
And that just
scared the crap out of me.
If that is the way
that Black people are
being depicted in technologies,
especially in technologies
made by people
who have really good aims
in the long run,
that means we've got problems,
right?
Like, in the future,
we will be this flat thing,
unless we do something
about trying to fill out
what it means to be
a Black person in this world,
right?
[Jazmin] Who do you think
Mavis Beacon's people are?
Whoa. Um, that's a question
and a half, right?
'Cause in a way, I'm gonna say
I'm Mavis's people.
Like, there's a part of me that,
"Oh, that was, like,
this weird point of pride."
Right?
But then, "who are
Mavis's people" in a deeper way
are the people who,
who imagined her up, right?
Would you say that technology
and their developers...
Like, how... how far,
how close can it be?
If we had a really, really
sharp knife, could we do it?
-Could we separate it?
-Mm-hmm.
I think it's really hard
to separate
the technologies
from its developers,
'cause you're starting
from a platform that we know
to contain biases and problems
of history, right? Deeply.
So, small clusters
of mostly white men still
making these systems that, um,
we all, we all work with.
So then, the question for me
becomes, "Well, what do we do?"
Like, how can we influence
those systems?
[mysterious music playing]
[Olivia] I'm a bit confused.
That one article said that
she was well-to-do in Haiti.
And then,
there's another article
that said she
was a retired model,
and another one that said that
she'd never modeled before.
At first, it was like, "Ooh...
It'd be cool
if we could talk to her."
And now it's like,
"Is homegirl okay?"
[Jazmin] Yeah.
We gonna have to hit up
some of these f*cking white guys
that live in the garage.
All right. Look at
what you're working with now.
Oh.
[phone ringing]
[Walt voicemail]
If you're not a telemarketer,
please leave a message.
I might not have recognized
your Caller ID,
but if you're a real person,
leave a message,
I'll call you back.
[beeps]
Hi, Walt,
this is Jazmin Jones. Um...
I found your number online.
I'm working on a project paying
homage to "Mavis Beacon."
Um, me
and my collaborator Olivia
are huge, huge, huge fans
of the game,
the Rene Lesperance versions
of the game.
We figured that you might be
somebody
who would know some information
about potentially how
to get in contact with Rene?
I really hope you call me back.
Thank you so much.
Bye.
Okay, cool.
We're gonna save his name.
Walt Bilofsky.
[phone ringing]
[voicemail] Thank you
for calling Saks Fifth Avenue.
[Olivia] Hi. Do you guys keep
employee records?
-[woman] Say it again.
-Rene Lesperance.
And we believe that she worked
at the perfume counter
of Saks Fifth Avenue between
the years of 1984 and 1986.
[woman] I-I have no idea,
and I'm so sorry.
Is there, like, any record
of celebrity visits? The...
[beeping]
Rude.
[Olivia] Mavis Beacon,
she's, like,
one of the first
consumer-facing AI assistants.
She predates Siri, Alexa,
Cortana...
and all of these, like,
servile fembots in...
Mm-hmm.
...holding your hand
and helping you, like,
[laughs] analyze
your typing speed.
And so, for her
to be the initial
blueprint or test subject
for that relationship
of making something easier
to accept, like,
what-- how does that land
for you?
We have "Mavis Beacon,"
the software,
that's offered up to people
to support
in that way that kind of
advances whatever they are
versus being the thing
that is advanced.
That, yes,
you can learn from this.
It's not going to s--
uh, supersede you,
because it is a Black woman
made for service
and not moving forward.
So, in that avatar,
it feels to me, again,
historically, it feels corr--
like,
"historically correct"
but not right.
-Congruent. [laughs]
-Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Congruent with history, right?
There are these histories
of Black women
supporting, holding, teaching,
and then somebody going off
and having success
that is not Black, right?
Um, and that's what
"Mavis Beacon "
feels like to me,
like, this software
that is based on this idea.
[Jazmin screams] Ohh, my God!
[screaming, laughing]
[Olivia]
It's not just detective work.
It's almost like...
"knowledge protector."
[Jazmin] It's like
knowledge-protecting archivist,
historian.
[Olivia] It's some kind of...
it's like memory work.
It's really weird to not...
to see someone who's, like,
so obviously, like,
important to history and, like,
to look for them
and not, like, find them.
'Cause, like, you know--
you and I, like, we know, like,
in our heads and in our hearts
that, like, this person,
like, should matter to history.
And the, like...
It's almost like...
It feels like, almost, like,
society is kind of, like,
gaslighting us?
-Yeah, Super gaslighting.
-Like, the...
Like the, like the absolute,
like, radio silence of, like,
her and her story,
and the f*cking guys
who made the software, like,
just changing the details
in how they even met her.
When we talk about this
project and people are like,
"Oh, it's okay
if you don't find her,"
like, that's such
a weird thing to say.
-[Jazmin] That's such a weird--
-What?
Like, people will only ever
say that about Black women.
[mysterious music playing]
[Jazmin] The last time anyone
spoke about seeing Rene,
it would've been 26 years ago.
-[Portsha] Oh, my gosh.
-And even then, they were like,
"I'm not quite sure
where she is," so...
[Portsha] They just have
no idea?
[Jazmin] Nobody knows.
It's like, it's a mystery.
-Right.
-Real talk.
-Twenty-six years?
-Twenty-six years.
We're hoping it's
a happy mystery,
where she's just, like,
a master of disguise
or something like that,
you know?
I told you, you can go to Haiti
and you don't...
you will not be found,
if you really...
want to disappear.
That's true.
Thank you for the opportunity
to be here
and to share these prayers,
with the hope and intention
that, uh, these will fall
on Rene's ears
and they will reach her heart.
Thank you.
[singing in foreign language]
[maraca shaking rhythmically]
[upbeat music playing]
[music continues]
[Sun Ra] If you're not
a reality,
whose myth are you?
[crowd] If you're not a reality,
whose myth are you?
[Sun Ra echoing]
Whose myth are you?
[crowd] Whose myth are you?
[mysterious music playing]
[Kayla] My biggest
emotional memory
of "Mavis Beacon"
is one of failure.
It was like, "Have you been
practicing your typing?"
And it's like, "Mavis,
the answer is f*cking no,
"I haven't, and you know that,
I know that,
and I'm sorry
that I've disappointed you."
[Jazmin] So, really,
this is all just about
nothing is real in memory
because I remembered.
You don't remember
we owned the game.
No, I'm not...
It's like, if you were,
like, "Did we own it?"
I don't feel strong enough to,
like, bet you we didn't.
I just definitely wasn't
playing it at home. [laughs]
I was playing it at school.
Memory's a funny thing.
I feel if,
if I was in a trial right now,
I'd be like,
"I don't know what's real."
[soft music playing]
Um, it's-it's really good.
Um, do you want to call Mom?
I-- Oh, yeah.
[Jazmin's mom]
All right, so I'm sitting here.
We're doing worship right now.
I was just texting Kayla.
I kept hearing "Daytona."
Daytona, Florida.
I don't know what that means,
but I was just getting
"Daytona."
- So...
-Maybe that's where Mavis is.
[Olivia] When I look up, like,
Rene Lesperance, like,
this is the most recent,
I think.
[Jazmin] Let me see...
If she lived there
the most recently,
there's more likelihood that
someone would recognize her.
I think we need to print out
a bunch of flyers
and write on the back of them,
"Was this your neighbor?
We're trying to find
this person."
And we'll just slip them
under each door.
[soft music playing]
[automated voice]
Camera recording.
[Jazmin] Hi.
If you watch this recording,
we're looking for this woman.
We think she might have
lived here in the early '90s.
Does the name Mavis Beacon
mean anything to you?
-[woman] No, I'm sorry.
-It's... No, it's fine.
[Jazmin] Is anybody else home
who might have lived here
for a while?
[dog barking]
We're trying to find her.
She's a famous typing teacher.
Can I show you her picture?
[man] I don't really
have time right now.
[Jazmin] Tell me real quick
if she looks familiar to you.
Her name would have been Rene,
and she would have lived at
[bleep].
-Mm-mm, doesn't...
-In the early '90s.
Oh, no, I-I haven't
lived over here then.
[Jazmin] All right,
thank you for taking the time.
We'll be out of the road
in a second.
We're looking for a woman
who used to live on this street.
[woman]
Why are you looking for her?
[Jazmin] Because she is
on the cover
of "Mavis Beacon
Teaches Typing."
They made this fake character
Mavis Beacon,
but the real woman Rene
lived here,
and nobody knows
what happened to her.
But they paid her 500 dollars,
and the company went on to sell
for, like, 400 million.
-[woman]Ooh.
-And so...
Hey, I wish I knew where you--
I really, uh, don't know for...
-Oh, I do know her.
-[Olivia] You do?
-[woman] Yeah.
-[Jazmin] Wait.
[woman] I don't
know where she lives.
[Jazmin] You do--
but wait, what do you remember?
-Remember her on this block?
-I remember her.
She lived in-- I think
she lived in that house there.
-[Jazmin] Okay.
-And she was very pretty.
She had one son.
[both] She had a son?
[woman] Yeah, she had a son.
I think her son name
was [bleep].
She was a very nice young lady.
[Jazmin] You have no idea
how helpful
this conversation is for us.
[woman] Well, I hope
you'll be able to locate her.
[Shola] You do have to loosen
the cage--
-Do loosen the cage.
-[Jazmin] Yeah.
Make sure the thing
can come out.
-And then...
-Oh, I see.
[Jazmin]
Watch the directionality
of where you point it,
because it is a bit of a weapon.
-[Shola] Yeah.
-Yeah.
Y'all are scaring me with this.
-Oh, yeah.
-Oh, my God, almost there.
[Jazmin] Beautifully done,
Olivia. Beautifully done.
Olivia's also a f*cking
excellent detective.
Um, and Olivia has broken
a lot of the leads
that we've tracked.
[Olivia] Yeah, so we found
a few different addresses,
and, like, basically tried
to find someone on the block
who'd lived there the longest
and be like, "Hey, did you
live here in, like, the '80s?"
-Wow.
-"Do you recognize this woman?
Was she your neighbor?"
[Jazmin] Sometimes
she's a retired model.
Sometimes it's
her first modeling gig.
Sometimes she went back
to Haiti, sometimes she didn't.
And so, for me, it's also,
like, in reading this,
it's been infuriating,
if you just read two articles,
you'll see, like,
none of this adds up.
According to Wikipedia,
it was like
saying that you became
a princess at 17
and then divorced, um,
after encountering, like,
anarcho-communism.
That's strange,
'cause I don't know,
"A," how they
got that information.
[Olivia] There are rumors
of past life as a ballerina,
question mark?
-Ah, at the Bolshoi. [laughing]
-Yeah.
-Well, I can't talk about that.
-Oh!
[Shola] They will
never investigate
that part of my own, um,
history.
My name is Shola von Reinhold.
I am a writer
and occasional artist,
um, from Scotland originally,
depending on what source
that you look at.
[Jazmin] How's it feel
to exist on the Internet
and have facts about you
be out there
that you did not cosign?
[Shola] It's pretty terrifying.
It's scary in a lot of ways.
Just knowing the way
that people can read things
about you
and decide things about you,
and you have no control
over it, or minimal.
Like, there's images there
of myself that I don't like.
Often why I wear a veil,
because, like,
they cover my face,
and sort of, like,
mid transition,
it's a great thing.
So that your image is
not fixed in a particular way.
But there are many figures
that I've looked up
through Wikipedia I can't find.
The act of fiction,
of fabulation are really useful,
vital exercises
when encountering facts.
This kind of absence
and presence of the archive
of fact and fiction,
this very idea of just
imagining possibilities,
imagining that, um,
a certain figure exists
in a certain fabulous way.
It's not until you do that
that someone's like,
"That did actually happen,"
only because
you've imagined it has.
It allows that
to kind of puncture through...
through the, like,
the carapace of fact.
[John]
Why is it that you have dared
to go all the way out
and say storytelling, myth,
belief in magic,
these are also important?
[Toni] Well, it's truth.
It's not fact, I know,
but it is truth.
And that's where truth lies,
in our myths.
What happened with, um,
your school applications?
-Where are you at with that?
-Uh, I'm applying.
I've got a couple of weeks left.
I don't know. It's fine.
I'm, like...
...not really excited about it.
Computers and, like,
media conver-- conservation
is really interesting to me,
and I want, like, to study it
and do stuff in it,
but I feel like,
in terms of options for careers,
at least in the arts,
I feel like you kind of hit
a roadblock.
Mm.
Just like, you need
a bachelor's degree and an MFA,
and an old guy needs
to kiss you on the cheek.
[both laughing]
And, like, all of that stuff.
Which is, like, not my jam.
But until I figure out a jam,
might as well get started.
It'll make sense.
[harp music playing]
[Walt's voicemail] Hi, Jazmin.
This is Walt Bilofsky.
I'm returning your phone call
about "Mavis Beacon."
Uh, I was one
of the three authors
of the original first versions
of "Mavis."
I don't know where Rene is.
I haven't talked to her
or seen her in 20 years,
but, uh, got a couple
of possibilities for you.
[Jazmin sighs]
Hey, Walt. Thank you so much
for calling me back.
[Walt]
Yeah, well, thanks for, um,
thanks for doing this project,
um...
You know the story
about Les discovering her?
It was Saks Fifth Avenue
in Beverly Hills.
[Jazmin] Mm-hmm.
[Walt]
He looked at her and saw Mavis.
Yeah, Joe-- he was there, right?
He was at the Saks Fifth Avenue.
[Walt] Uh, no. When, um...
The-the nugget I have for you
is that the other person
that was there,
uh, was Les's girlfriend
at the time,
Sondra Blake.
Uh, it's Sondra with an "O."
She is an actress
and the ex-wife of
Robert Blake, the actor.
Uh, and according to Wikipedia,
she's still alive.
I'm a big dog, big bear,
n*gga, I'm a lion
I'm the predator of the prey
That is hiding
Oh, my, oh, my,
I have found you, n*gga
Don't you run from me,
Lil' n*gga
[music ends]
Now we got the...
We're here.
We're really here. [chuckles]
All right.
-Wow! Oh, my gosh.
-I'm Joe.
-[laughs] Hello.
-And this is Walt.
I don't even know
what to say to you guys.
I've been googling your name
so hard.
It is just a treasure
to meet you.
I'm the biggest fan
of "Mavis Beacon."
I think I'm the biggest fan
of "Mavis Beacon"--
I don't know.
You're talking to two big fans
of "Mavis Beacon."
I feel like I thought about
what I would say a lot,
and now I'm here, and I'm
a little nervous. [laughs]
And now you can see I'm getting
a little misty-eyed
because it...
In terms of accessibility
and, like,
seeing other people
who look like me,
it just was really, um,
groundbreaking and just...
You know, I feel like I've been
emailing you guys
and trying to communicate.
[crying] Like,
I don't know if you understand
how much this touched my life
and made me feel like
there was a place for me.
Wow.
This is
the, um, 1.0. version,
uh, almost completely
shrink-wrapped.
This is for the Apple.
Whenever I designed a piece
of software that a person would
sit down at the computer
and use,
I design from the interface in.
The screen and the keyboard in.
It doesn't take much
for a program to give a person
the idea that there's something
in there listening to them.
[Jazmin] Mm.
I would like to claim
that back in 1987,
we were totally woke
and we planned Mavis
to be an icon.
Um, we were in the right place
at the right time.
Les had a genius idea
to put, uh, a Black person
on the title and on the cover
as a marketing thing.
[Joe] When we created
the product,
there was
a little bit of controversy.
Nobody had ever seen
a Black woman
on the cover of
a computer product.
Basically,
the orders got cut in half,
and, of course, it went on
to become the number one
educational software product
of all time.
[Jazmin]
Who originally scouted Rene?
My-my note... notes say that Les
and, um, his partner
at the time found her
behind the cosmetics counter
at Saks in Beverly Hills.
[Jazmin] Do you remember
the name of Les's partner?
Um...
I don't know who he was
with at the time.
Um...
You know, for a while, he...
-Well, again, J-Joe would know.
-Okay, I'll ask Joe.
One day, Les and I were walking
through Downtown Beverly Hills.
Les said, "I need to run into
Saks Fifth Avenue here
and buy some, uh,
perfume for my fiance."
The woman behind the counter
was Rene Lesperance.
She was a Haitian, um, emigre.
She had fingernails that were
about three inches long.
It looked like she had never
touched a keyboard in her life.
And we said, "Have you ever
done any modeling?"
She said, "No."
We said, "Well,
we'd like to use your face
on the cover, uh,
of-of a computer game."
And she said, you know,
"What's a computer?"
We explained to her
what the game was.
"All you have to do is come down
one Sunday morning.
"We'll pay you 500 dollars,
we'll buy your clothes,
and we'll put you on a package."
She was very nice.
She was thrilled
to be a part of it.
Can you tell me, what
do you remember, if anything?
I remember being asked
to walk with a lady
that I had never met before
and had no idea who she was.
And I do remember
she was very nice.
[Jazmin]
I have one last question.
-[Matt] Sure.
-Can we mimic this pose?
Can I be the Mavis Beacon
to the younger you?
-[chuckles] Sure. Yeah.
-Okay.
[Joe] Okay, so you just walk
and look up at her and smile.
-All right.
-It's your right. Hold--
-[Jazmin] Am I on the--
-No, my left hand.
Your right hand
holds her left hand.
-No, that's not true.
-That's not true.
-Your left holds her right.
-Yeah.
They walked down like this,
with looking at each other.
[Jazmin chuckles]
Okay, so I see.
Call action for us, Joe.
[Joe] Action.
[mysterious music playing]
[Jazmin]
Do you think I'll find Rene?
Uh, boy, who knows? Um...
All you need is one lucky break.
Um...
I don't know. I mean,
what-what...
Say you find her.
What will it mean when you do?
[Joe] You should record this
'cause it's a little bit
of history.
These are the original
negatives...
-Wow.
-...of the photo sh**t.
Do you think
I'll find Rene Lesperance?
[Joe] I don't know. I've looked.
It's a mystery
as to where she is
and whether or not
we'll ever find her.
Yeah, that'll make Olivia
real jealous.
Two old software tycoons.
[laughing]
[Olivia] They get you leads?
Barely. Barely.
They're not gonna help us.
I asked them both,
"Do you think
I'll find Rene Lesperance?"
Both of them, like, had a weird
pregnant pause around that
that I think is, like,
them manifesting that I don't.
-Like, I don't think...
- Oh, my God. [laughs]
I think there's a settlement.
I think that they don't
want to talk about it.
I would say they're cooperating
with the investigation,
but they're-they're
withholding information.
But I got the negatives.
-[Olivia] Awesome.
-Yeah.
And so I'm gonna go
get those scanned tomorrow.
Olivia, it's so incredible
to see Rene's face
with a different expression
at a different angle.
[Olivia laughing]
Oh, she's so pretty.
This one, she's a little blurry.
[Jazmin] When you see
detectives in movies,
they don't...
they show you the map.
They don't show them cutting out
the pieces that go into the map.
That's the difference between
a detective movie
and a stalker movie.
-I think we talked about this.
-Yes. Actually, you're right.
How do you write a letter
from two people at once?
-"We are Jazmin and Olivia."
-[Olivia] Uh...
[Jazmin] "We've been waiting to
meet you for a very long time."
[Olivia] Oh, my God,
that's so stalkerish.
Um, "Hope this..." I don't know.
How do people start emails?
I feel like it's not
that different.
"I hope this letter
finds you well"?
-Yeah?
-Yeah.
"Dear Rene: I hope
this letter finds you well."
That's solid, solid, solid.
Um,
"We found your house online."
How do you address, like,
"We found your address"?
Where it came--
We don't even live in Florida,
bro.
-We're just, like, here.
-[both laughing]
[Olivia] Hi.
-[Jazmin] How are you doing?
-Doing good. How you doing?
Good. Thank you for making time.
So, yeah, this is the...
our beautiful garden.
And I lived in one room
for about, like, a month or two.
And since, I've been--
I moved downstairs.
I think I realized
I needed to be grounded.
Like, being upstairs,
I can be all up in my head and--
I would call it my spaceship,
so...
You got to be mindful of
the energies
that are around you.
But my room's name is Shodashi.
It's, like, a form of Kali.
It's, like, the graceful,
queen-like vibe.
Enjoy the plush.
If you feel like
you need some more support,
you could use
these pillows behind you.
I love this.
I love this so much.
-Thank you.
-Arrange...
Rearrange and do
what you need to.
-[hums playfully]
-[laughing]
This is a very powerful day,
y'all.
It's two, two-two, two, two-two.
This is like...
This is like
what Beyonc was telling us,
to get in formation, to, like,
be...
[laughing softly]
...in whatever alignment
we need to be in
for whatever checkpoints
we reach.
Like, you know?
I don't know.
So, what is...
what brings you here?
[Olivia] We're hoping
to make contact
with Rene in some way
in the next couple of days.
We want, yeah, Rene
to be able to encounter us
and to, like, decide, like,
with full information,
like, whether or not
she wants to be,
like, a part of this project.
Um, and also, if, like,
for, like, spirit to, like,
hide her
if, like, this isn't
what she wants,
and, like, to prevent...
to keep her from harm.
A year ago,
Olivia and I started this,
and, like, we're like these
DIY little e-girl detectives
that are also thinking about,
like, surveillance
and, like, policing and, um,
consent
and the possibility of, like:
What if this woman
does not want to be found?
Right? So...
Letting her know, like, what--
the intentions behind this work.
Basically clear a path
so that we can, like,
check in, do a wellness check,
but also,
if it's not meant to be,
then, like, that clarifies
in a way, too.
We're just in a place where
there's a lot going on for us.
[laughing]
There's a lot going on
right now. Uh...
Well, here I'm just acting
as a sounding board
and channel for spirits, so, um,
with that hat on, let us see.
[metal chiming]
[Jazmin] Mm.
This is cute.
[indistinct chattering]
-Yeah, thank you, Soleil.
-[Soleil] You're welcome.
[chanting]
Welcome, spirits.
[all chanting]
[all laughing]
[soft music playing]
Hi. Uh, this is Olivia.
Um, just following up.
Me and my collaborator,
Jazmin, are really,
really interested in talking
to you, Rene, if this is you.
We also-- we have some photos
of the first time
you modeled for the game,
and we'd really, really love
to give them to you.
It doesn't have to be...
It doesn't have to be on camera.
We'd just really, really like
to talk to you.
Please let us know
that you've been
receiving our messages.
[Jazmin] So, what do we have?
We have her address.
She hasn't returned our calls.
We're pretty sure
that's her number.
That's, yeah--
It's probably her number.
I feel like, one,
we should call again,
and I also feel like maybe
we should try calling her son?
[Jazmin] Here's my concern
with calling her son.
There's a chance
that she's also, like,
doesn't appreciate us
reaching out to her
via her relatives.
I'm just worried about, like,
getting some O.D.
mama bear energy
of like, "Don't come for me
through my..."
Like, "You reached--
I got your message.
"I've actively been-been
avoiding you,
and now you're dragging
my son into this."
Like, that's my concern here.
[Olivia] Like,
it's quite possible
we called and left her
a voice message
and she doesn't listen
to her voicemail.
So, like, what if
we called [bleep]?
-[grunts softly]
-Yes! [chuckling]
You're gonna to do
the talking on this.
-Sure.
-'Cause this is your idea.
[line beeps]
Hello. Um...
Please excuse me if we have
the wrong person,
uh, but, uh, my name's Olivia,
and we are currently
working on a project
about "Mavis Beacon
Teaches Typing," um,
which we believe, uh,
is a legacy of your family.
Please call back, uh,
if this is the right family,
um, or at least, like,
to let us know
if you're not interested
in being part of the project,
um, just call us back
and let us know.
We promise we won't
bother you anymore.
[laughs] Um...
And, yeah, you can call me
back at 347-2...
[automated voice]
Message erased.
- At the tone...
-What?
...please rerecord your
message...
-[laughing]
-LOL.
[automated voice] ...message,
press one.
[line beeps]
[Olivia] Hi,
[bleep]. Um, this is Olivia.
[device beeps]
[automated voice]
Speed trap reported ahead.
[Olivia]
The ethical boundary question
is a bit exhausting for me now.
-[Jazmin] Feel like we're here?
-[Olivia] I think so.
It's like, there's one thing
to be,
"Oh,
what's the ethical boundary?"
But it's like, we already
went to her house in Highland
that she hasn't lived at
for 20 years.
We knew she wouldn't be there.
We already walked up and down.
So does that make it bet--
I feel like that doesn't
make it better.
[automated voice]
Take the first exit.
[Jazmin] If she's there,
we don't--
We have the photos on us.
-We have the photos on us.
-If she's there, we go.
[Olivia] Yeah?
-[Jazmin] This one.
-Oh, my God. The door's open.
-Oh, my God.
-Wait.
I'm gonna speak to that guy.
There's a guy.
I'm gonna run out.
[Olivia] Oh, my God.
[woman] How did y'all
end up here?
-[Jazmin] Well--
-[man] Are you from New York?
[Olivia] This sounds so sus.
[Jazmin] I'm sorry. We--
Trust us, we're harmless.
-We are...
-[Olivia] That sounds worse.
-[Jazmin laughs] I'm so sorry!
-[man] Did you call [bleep]?
-Yeah.
-Yes.
-[man] Did you leave a message?
-[Olivia] Yeah, that was me.
[man] We were on the phone
when you guys called.
-Oh, my God.
-Let me go make a call.
[Jazmin]
Okay. We'll be right here.
[Olivia] Also, sorry to be...
Sorry for rolling up
unexpectedly.
[Olivia] Yeah.
We were gonna pass by,
then we saw you--
But you guys were out of
the house--
Anyway. Thank you so much.
[Olivia] Hello?
[Rene's son] Hello?
Hi. Um, is this [bleep]?
-[Rene's son] Yes, this is.
-Hi. This is Olivia.
Me and Jazmin are just
really, really big fans
of "Mavis Beacon
Teaches Typing."
The idea of even talking to her
feels like talking to
a superhero.
We hoping that this comes across
as a wellness check,
just to be like, "You good?
Did you get your flowers?
"Should the public be mad
at these developers?
Are you good?" [chuckles] Um...
And also, who is she outside
of this character, right?
The only thing, if you search
"Rene Lesperance,"
you just get
whatever the developers said.
But it's like, "What brought
you here from Haiti?
"Um, what is your relationship
to technology?
"How do you feel about
being this role model?
Do people recognize you?"
Like, all sorts of things.
So we just have
a lot of questions for her.
But mostly it's all love.
[Rene's son] I have to talk--
I have to really talk to her
about all this
and get an idea
of what she thinks
and what she wants to do.
In terms of, is she camera-shy,
or do you think she would be
willing to talk about this,
this... any of this? [chuckles]
[Rene's son] She's a very
quiet and private person.
No Facebook,
no social media, no nothing.
She has no digital footprint
whatsoever.
She's the type
that has to let things digest
and think about it.
She doesn't, she doesn't make
impulse decisions at all.
She's, you know-- never has.
And, you know, even to do
the "Mavis Beacon,"
it wasn't an impulse decision.
She thought about it.
I'll reach out,
I'll talk to my mom,
and then I'll reach out
and let you know,
"I spoke with her," and we'll
see where it takes us.
[both] Thank you.
You have no idea
how, just, like,
how helpful and affirming it is
that we also
didn't come across the country
to the wrong house, at least--
or that we are on, we--
that she's alive and well.
-We're so happy to hear that.
-[Rene's son] Yeah.
- Have a great night, ladies.
-[both] You too.
- All right. Bye-bye.
-Bye.
All right,
we have to compose ourselves.
We have to compose ourselves,
we're still
in front of their house.
We are still
in front of the house.
What did you say?
You said we're gonna talk
to the son, Olivia.
-You're a f*cking witch.
-[Olivia hums fanfare]
[upbeat music playing]
Eh, I don't know.
I'm tired. I'm just tired.
We don't need to also be
the beacons of, like,
excellence and hope
all the time.
Like, I don't want to be
a perfect Black person
all the time.
And I'm not.
I'm rarely, like--
I'm also a human being
that's, like, literally,
hungover 90% of my life.
And I need everyone else to
catch up,
'cause, like, I don't want to be
the person that's explaining
sh*t all the time, like...
All these adults were like,
"Children are the future."
It's like, "You guys actually
"do not think
children are the future.
"You have invested
no actual, like,
like, capital..."
You cemented no path of hope.
Right? It's like,
if you actually were moving
in a way where you believed
that children
were the future, like...
-sh*t would always be centered.
-sh*t would be way different.
It's like, now
the children are growing up,
and it's like, "Hey, f-future?"
Question mark, question mark,
question mark,
exclamation point.
[all laughing]
[soft music playing]
[tool buzzing]
[Jazmin] I don't even
f*cking know where to begin.
These nonprofit dudes
turned our headquarters
into essentially a man cave.
They were using the space
to do jam sessions.
They took down all the images
of Black women.
The "Seeking Mavis Beacon"
sign, they took that.
[Olivia] It's f*cked up.
Like, the only, like,
explanation my brain can
conjure for, like,
why anyone would do this
feels, like, malicious.
Like, I don't know what
they're going to say to you.
-So, really quickly...
-I don't want to speak quickly.
I want to sit down,
and I would like to chat.
I mean, what do you need?
First of all,
who was using this space?
-Okay, first of all...
-Yeah.
...we provided the space
for free.
And what happened was
I had volunteers in here
with boxes,
picking up the stuff
and putting it in boxes.
-Okay?
-Yeah.
I don't know where
those boxes are.
-I cut that lock...
-Yeah.
...and when we came in here,
I turned ... and I said,
"You called them
and emailed them, right?"
-[sighs]: Oh, my God.
-I got no calls, nothing.
When I said to ...
"I don't have any messages..."
I stood in that doorway,
and I said,
"You call them right now.
It looks like they're
not done here, Jazmin."
All right, can we not film?
I don't want to be on camera
badmouthing an employee.
-No, it's fine.
-Can we turn that part off?
-[Jazmin] Okay.
-[man] Here it is.
[Jazmin]
I'm not, uh, good at, like...
I am deeply aware of just
the angry Black woman
stereotypes that I'm facing.
In my body, I don't feel like
I have full range
to yell at you in that way,
and that's not my interest.
We are all in the business
of preservation here.
Part of the reason
that you guys don't give
a f*ck about this work
is because there aren't people
like me in this organization.
[man] I'm in a terrible position
here. You've got me.
I have nothing to say.
I can't say anything.
[Jazmin] Look at what we did
with this place
that gave you guys, like,
f*cking infections
when you used to touch
the floor.
[crying] And, like,
we brought light here.
And, like, I know that it's not
a f*cking video game.
It's a software,
and it's got a Black woman,
and maybe it's not, like,
some f*cking "Mario Kart" sh*t,
but it matters, too, right?
[man] Thank you for saying that.
I just want to say
that shared suffering
is one of the best ways
to build a relationship--
[Jazmin] I don't want
to trauma bond with y'all.
Like, also, I--
and I need accomplices.
-Stop! Stop!
-[woman] Oh.
Film it through, though.
Okay, stop this. [chuckles]
What does it mean? [laughing]
[upbeat music playing]
[phone ringing]
[automated voice]
Olivia... FaceTime video.
[Olivia] Thank you
for the flowers.
I feel so seen.
Like, this is such,
like, a cool, like...
If I were to pick flowers...
Like, they're so, like,
creepy and awesome.
Like, what's this yellow thing?
I think it's so funny
that, like, we were,
like, gallivanting
and never got COVID.
And then I come home.
And, like, the whole time,
we were like, "Oh, my God,
no one's wearing masks here."
But lo and behold,
it wasn't the beach.
-[Jazmin] I'm sorry.
-It wasn't the restaurant.
It was "Settlers of Catan."
That's what happens
when you gamify
settler colonialism, actually.
-That was, that was spirits...
-Yeah.
[laughing]
...making me quit that game.
You can't f*cking quit!
You can't f*cking quit!
You can't f*cking quit!
Something that crime shows
really helped me with
is being a b*tch.
I love it so much now
because you think I'm gonna be
the girl that walked
into the room and lit up?
No, I didn't light up
into the room.
I brought negativity
into every room.
If you k*ll me,
you didn't dim my light.
I did it, and I beat you to it.
[man] Ready to f*cking die!
Look, I'm a bad b*tch.
You can't k*ll me.
All right, so if Mavis
will not speak to you now,
what are you gonna do?
What are you gonna do?
- What's your plan, filmmaker?
-[chuckles] Damn, Mom.
What's the way it's going down?
What's the way
it's going down now?
What is your next play,
Jazmin Jones?
What's your next play?
The fact that you're
watching this video means
you are energetically aligned
with me and this message.
Your thoughts create
your reality.
But you already knew that,
yet you still live a life
that you dread.
[woman] Excuse me. [screams]
[laughing] No!
[FaceTime call ringing]
-Hello.
-What's happening?
-So, I'm here on the site.
-Yeah.
- Can you see this?
-Yeah.
-This is on Facebook?
-And I...
This is on a Facebook group
of, like,
Software Toolworks alumni.
And then this person says,
"Anyone else have one of these?
Signed to me after
the lawsuit was settled.
With all the royalty issues,
I felt like she was part of
my dysfunctional family."
And it's a signed copy
of the game,
like, signed by Rene.
They said
"After the lawsuit was settled"?
-Yes.
-Screenshot this.
Screenshot everything.
Here's a part that says,
"To the degree you can share,
what was the gist
of the lawsuit?"
And then Sandy Shepard says,
"The original release
did not allow for
derivative uses of the photo.
The 'woodblock cut' Mavis--
AKA fat-faced Mavis
that looked like
she had cat scratches
on her face--
was so unbelievably ugly
that she tried to get
the company
to take it off the shelves.
When the company refused,
she sued,
and it was
incredibly upsetting for her.
Her lawyer was off
to the races."
Hmm.
The way that's, like, the most
Caribbean thing I ever heard.
[both laughing]
"No, y'all didn't.
Y'all better take that down
right now."
Yeah, this is very heartening
to me
'cause it also confirms
that she was, like,
a bad b*tch who was like,
"I'm taking my image.
I don't, like..."
And the fact that
she was proud of it.
I love that so much.
This is wild.
Thanks, Olivia.
You little sleuth.
My stalkings finally paid off.
Oh, my God.
Walt is on this thread.
-No.
-What is this--
-What is Walt saying?
-Walt is so sweet.
He says, "Now Jazmin
and Olivia call Mavis
"one of the most influential
Black women in technology,
even though imaginary.
Their interest in celebrating
Mavis in Silicon Valley
has relieved me of residual
cultural exploitation guilt."
Well, I don't know
if we should have let him
off the hook fully,
but I'm glad he trusts us.
[Mary] One of
the things is that
justice does not happen
in a vacuum.
The arc of moral justice
is really long,
and it al-always bends
towards righteousness.
So, Walter, take us back to
that era.
[Olivia] He mentioned in, like,
a Facebook comment group
that Les, like, was the one
who invented it, not Joe.
And then Walt, like,
t-tells us unprompted
that it was his girlfriend.
So, clearly the other people
who worked at Software Toolworks
knew Sondra and knew that
she was the one who saw Rene,
and Joe, like,
isn't a part of that story.
[laughing]
It's good detective work,
Olivia. I'm so excited.
Something that's so satisfying
to me
is when I find out
some new information
from a past situation
and evidence points
that I was correct.
I was right!
Am I psychic? I might.
[laughs] You know what
I'm saying?
f*ck.
[soft music playing]
-You're gonna pull it back...
-Yeah.
...until your-your hand
is right by your mouth.
-Okay.
Then you let it go.
-And then I...
-Let it go.
[delighted screaming, laughing]
-[Jazmin] So, you had met Rene.
-Oh, yeah.
Um, can you tell me,
tell me all about that?
-I'm very curious.
-Okay.
She was lovely, you know?
And-and... serene and just...
I wish I could just
put her in your head
so that you'd know
what I'm talking about.
This thing, you know?
And not very big. [laughs]
Like somebody that's
no bigger than a minute.
And just-- oh, my gosh--
so beautiful.
The most radiant skin--
like really something.
It was like being in
the presence of an angel.
Like, she had this aura.
Version five of Mavis Beacon
was the woodblock-print Mavis.
And to those of us
on the inside,
it was the cat-scratch-face
Mavis.
Like, her face is heavier,
and she's got this...
scratched side of her--
What the what?
So, they sued,
because here's this box
that is just awful-looking.
They sued as a...
It's not defamation,
but it's like,
you know, where you've
taken somebody's image
and you've done something to it.
Interesting.
The actual legal document
that she signed
did not give them
derivative work rights.
-It just didn't.
-Yeah.
-And I found the release.
-Yeah.
And it said that they could do
anything they wanted
with her image.
Yep.
But that it didn't
give them editing rights.
When all was done, I said,
"I just need you to know
"that, unfortunately,
we're gonna be choosing--
"We're-we're having a different
model going forward.
"They've decided that
they're gonna have
a different model
going forward."
And she said, "Oh,
that's really-- That's a shame.
You know, it's too bad.
I liked being Mavis."
She just seemed bummed.
But who-who knows?
I mean, at the time--
I have no idea
how much the settlement was.
And of course,
I wrote the contract
for the new Mavis,
and it basically said
we could put horns on her head
and turn her upside down
and do whatever we wanted.
They were so stung
by the fact that, that,
uh, Rene was known as Mavis
that they-they wanted
to make it clear
that Mavis was not a person.
They didn't want anybody
to have a claim
ever again to being Mavis.
[soft music playing]
Remuneration after the fact
is very different
than remuneration
before the fact.
Even if, at that moment,
she really was sad
that they were going to
recast her,
it's after
the momentum of, like,
these two previous
kind of, like, disrespects.
I'm just really curious about
all the legal stuff
and the ways in which, um...
Kind of the IP
of one's own body.
[Jazmin] There are so many
archival videos
or things online of people,
like, yelling at Mavis Beacon
or sexualizing her or saying
really f*cked-up things,
like, just based on
her being this character
and also a teacher character.
Like people can project
all of the things
they project onto teachers
in terms of being,
like, caregivers, sexy--
all, all of the things,
you know?
So, it's like...
She's problematized.
-Mm.
-Mm.
Right? 'Cause she's not, like,
inherently problematic.
"Problematique."
[all chuckling]
She's, like, the, um, subject.
of people's sh*t that they're...
-Their problems.
-Yeah.
People don't like listening
to Black women in general.
Yeah.
If you find in this
qualitative report exploration
that this person
does not want to be found
or does not want to talk,
then your
creative responsibility
becomes to express that you
were okay with them
not wanting to talk with you.
And that is,
that is a powerful...
What you make of it,
you know, what is your epilogue?
I don't know, but, like...
Six months? Seven months?
She don't want to talk to y'all.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry to--
Am I the first person to say it?
[upbeat music playing]
[lively chattering]
[MC]
This is 100% community funded.
This is protecting the girls.
So, we got, uh,
150 stun g*ns for y'all.
If you are a trans feminine
person of color,
you can have one.
-These are not toys.
-[man] Say that again.
[MC] These are not toys.
These are not toys.
[MC] We didn't have
nothing for our kiki scene
that was stable.
We needed something that was on
for our community
by our community, right?
How does it feel to have
your old clips uploaded,
just like ballroom bow-backs
and all that sh*t?
It feel fab, don't it?
I don't want y'all
to leave the ball.
Half of y'all b*tches
are in your room
for watching y'all clips
already.
Horny for a clip.
Pump it.
[upbeat music continues]
[Sade] You have to not be
scared to go away.
Obviously, I think
a lot of people are frightened
that if they go away,
they disappear for a while,
everything will crumble.
[man] Bro. Where you at?
Where you going?
Bro, come back, bro!
For real!
We'll be talking about something
very disgusting and disgraceful
and scary and terrible:
social media, the Internet, yes.
There's this little thing
called digital footprinting,
and it can bite you in your--
in the future.
Moving forward,
we need to be more vigilant
with what we trust
from the Internet.
We're so enmeshed
in this kind of
algorithmically-programmed
landscape
that it can be very,
very difficult to parse out
what is us and what is
condition.
That's what makes this question
of digital personhood
very, you know, complex,
is not being able to delineate
what is our desire versus
what is our, like,
user profile. [chuckles]
[Herbie] People blame
machines, uh, very often for--
"It's, oh, the machine's fault."
How can it be the machine's
fault? We have to plug it in.
It doesn't do
anything but sit there
until we plug it in.
It doesn't plug itself in.
It doesn't program itself, yet.
[laughing]
[man] I just want to be
very clear.
This is not
a negotiation or anything.
The building is being torn down
and we are vacating.
As of May 1st, we start to,
like, finalize the moving out,
and we're done
at the end of May.
And that's basically
our end of our association
with this building.
This place sucks.
We hate this building,
and we want out.
[vocal music playing]
[phone ringing]
Hello?
[man] Hello. Is this Olivia?
Hi. Yeah, this is her speaking.
[man]
Hi. Um, I'm an admissions chair
and faculty at Cooper Union.
We're, of course,
seriously considering
your application.
Um, I wouldn't be calling
if not.
Um, but there...
there were concerns
about, um, your grades.
-[bowl shatters]
-f*ck!
[microwave beeps, whirs]
[Olivia] Yeah.
I think the fact that
I escaped that semester
with an "A," "B" and "C,"
like, shocked even me,
um, even though
I did fail one class
and get a "D" in another.
I also ended up getting sick
that semester.
That was around the time that,
um,
I also started working
on this documentary
with a friend of mine.
Even though it was a time of
a lot of personal turmoil,
it also became something
really beautiful.
[man] Given what we can glean
from your transcripts,
you would kind of come in
as a first-year student.
So I'm wondering, you know,
is that something that you would
have a hard time with?
[phone ringing]
[Jazmin] Hi.
[Olivia] Hey.
[Jazmin] Personally, I'm tired
and overwhelmed,
and I think I'm on the brink
of an emotional breakdown,
between this space and, like,
f*cking the landlord threatening
to kick us out every other week.
And, like, the Wi-Fi's off.
The Bluetooth's disconnected.
Nothing works.
Like, I can't even internalize
like, where we stand with Rene.
And the technology
is not helping that!
Like, nothing, noth--
This f*cking monitor tower,
it's f*cking a nightmare,
technologically.
Like, it looks cool.
And I've-I've watched
"The Watermelon Woman"
a hundred times.
But Jesus f*cking Christ!
[Olivia]
We've got COVID surging,
and, like, people
are getting, like, monkeypox,
and there's, like,
sharks in Rockaway Beach.
I'm really scared.
I don't know what's wrong
with me.
I think part of it is also,
like, all the fearmongering
that people have been doing
about Long COVID.
Have you seen that meme that's,
like,
- Little Miss dot, dot, dot?
-[Jazmin] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
[Olivia] Little Miss
Symptoms Log.
Which has also been
so annoying 'cause I-I, like,
come to my doctor
with, like, all this data,
and he's just not
listening to me
and throwing some random pill
at me
that just made me feel bad.
- I don't know...
-[Jazmin] That's scary.
-That's f*cking scary.
-[Olivia] I just feel crazy.
I feel really crazy.
[crying] I'm just
so tired of being sick.
Oh, my God.
- Can we... Can we call more?
-Yeah.
'Cause I'm really lonely.
[Olivia sniffling]
I'm just really lonely.
[sighing]
[Jazmin] How we move
and do this work
is, like, ours to decide,
and I also think prioritizing
our bodies
as conduits for this work
to continue.
[Olivia] Frankly, this whole...
this project
and the investigation is, like,
the main thing that
motivates me to, like,
not lie in bed all day
and, like, rot.
[Juan] How do you survive
whole in a world
where we're all victims of
something?
It's to both of you.
[Toni]
Um, how do you survive whole?
-I can't do this quickly, Juan.
- [Juan] Okay.
[Toni] Sometimes you don't
survive whole.
You just survive in part.
But the grandeur of life
is that attempt.
It's not about that solution.
It is about, you know,
being as fearless as one can
and behaving
as beautifully as one can
under completely
impossible circumstances.
-Hi.
-Hi.
-Happy f*cking birthday.
-[gasps] Oh! Oh!
Happy 21st, baby.
Oh, my God.
Wait. This is so cute. Oh!
You look great! Welcome.
Take a seat. Take--
You want some-- You want
to make a f*cking wish?
You ready to make
a f*cking wish?
I'll make a f*cking wish.
Yeah, I'll make a wish.
Think long and hard. Big 21.
[Jazmin vocalizes fanfare,
chuckles]
-Yeah.
-Almost.
[upbeat music playing]
You are my friends
And I love you very much
In fact, I think
all the time about you
[Jazmin] Do you ever think of
Mavis Beacon as a real person,
or is she strictly a character?
[Sondra] Oh, no, absolutely.
That's the way cyber stuff is,
because once you're in
the cyber universe,
there's a reality to it.
Like, you know,
there's a reality to it,
[chuckles]
whatever the form of it is.
Les came up with Mavis Beacon.
He was a pioneer.
A pioneer, certainly,
of the whole
computer conceptual industry.
He was a nerd, and he liked
hot chicks, and I wasn't,
so I was the departure.
And, I mean, that was a subject
of our being together
that was a problem.
When he came up
with this program,
he said, "I want a woman."
And-and then he said,
"Oh, Janet MacLachlan."
I don't remember
if she was on a show.
And I said,
"Ooh, I love that actress."
We were both
these secret fans of hers.
And then, it-- it, you know,
it kind of bound us together
in a certain way
about our tastes and things.
It was just a fluke
that I went into this--
I think it was Neiman Marcus.
[Jazmin] We've heard Saks
in the past, but...
Saks I've been to.
It may-- oh, maybe it was Saks.
[Jazmin]
Well, well, how-- What did...
[Olivia] What did you go in
there to get?
-Nothing. I just was...
-[Jazmin] You were just...
...wandering around,
looking at pretty things and...
There was this woman.
She was working
as a representative
for some product
that may have been
either perfume or jewelry--
I don't remember.
I told Les, "You're not gonna
believe what just happened."
And I said,
"I found her, I found her!"
And he said,
"You found Janet MacLachlan?"
I said, "No, forget
Janet MacLachlan.
"I swear to you, Les,
she looks
just like Janet MacLachlan.
She's so elegant.
It's unbelievable."
-This woman, um...
-[Jazmin] Rene.
[Sondra]
Rene. Just the way she walked,
the way she behaved,
it was like poetry in motion.
There was just something
elegant about her countenance.
[Jazmin] Were you here this day?
[Sondra] Oh, yeah, of course.
-You bet.
-What do you remember?
If you could just paint
a little picture for us.
[Sondra] Oh, God.
[crying]
I mean, what I remember is
how much my heart was in it
and the creative part of it,
and just being part of...
that and, um,
creating something like that.
It's making me cry
that it's so valuable
and so important.
[Jazmin] We've talked
to a few different people.
[both]
Joe Abrams and Walt Bilofsky.
Oh, yeah.
[Jazmin]
And so they're cousins. Um...
Oh, I didn't know that.
Walt said Les Crane's, um,
girlfriend at the time,
Sondra Blake,
she was involved
in finding Rene Lesperance.
-I was his fiance.
-Okay.
Then Joe Abrams was saying
he was at Saks Fifth Avenue
with Les Crane, and he scouted--
Absolutely not.
-[Jazmin] So that's kind--
-Whoa!
-[Olivia] That was our journey--
-Oh. Oh.
-But what happen--
-Why would he say that?
I'm not lying to you.
I'll take a lie detector test.
You asked me about it,
and I'm telling you.
[laughs] Honest to God truth.
But I don't care about
the credit, so I feel bad.
Like, if he wants
to take the credit...
That's freaky!
Those people,
what are they doing?
At some point,
when technology allowed,
they started to digitize her
and put her into the game.
And then they had
a voice for her and...
Oh, wow.
-So, yeah.
-Did she-- I hope...
She did not consent to that.
And so what happened--
No, I mean,
I hope she took action.
So she initially reached out
to the company and said,
"Please take this off
of the walls,"
'cause she thought
it was unflattering.
Let's see if we have the image.
Yeah.
This is what they ended up
making the cover.
Oh, my freaking God!
Oh, my God!
[sighing]
I don't mean to be precious,
but, I mean, it's sacrilege.
-It's like, God!
-[Jazmin] What are you...
What are you thinking?
I'm gonna say
something really weird.
I-- And maybe you're gonna
have to cut it out.
-Go for it.
-White guys did this.
White assholes.
Les made a lot of money.
When we split up,
I had all my furniture
come get gotten and moved
lock, stock and barrel
out without telling him
because it was a big decision
to tear away from him.
And he found out and came home,
and the guys were moving
my couch.
And he sat. He said, "No way."
And he sat on the couch,
and the guys looked at me,
and I said, "Move it."
So they carried Les
on the couch like King Tut
out toward the moving van truck.
And as Les was sitting on it,
he said to me,
"How can you leave me?
I'm worth 30 million dollars."
[Jazmin] After we pack
this b*tch up,
-I'm going to Florida.
-[Olivia] Yeah.
[Jazmin] I'm gonna
hang out there
and get my head straight.
We're a year later.
We know a lot about
f*cking Software Toolworks.
[Olivia] Which was important
information to find out.
We found-- we learned a lot
about Mavis Beacon.
-And now I want to know
about Rene.
I'm like, what's up with Rene?
I'm glad we're talking
this through.
If I go to that spot
and I go without you,
I don't want to meet her
without you.
It's like I need
to gather information
until you fly in,
and then we actually execute.
I guess.
If you have the opportunity
to meet her and I'm not there,
I hope you meet her,
and not like,
"I couldn't. You weren't there!"
In that hypothetical situation,
not only do I think it's fine,
I could be Facetimed afterwards.
I could do it alone.
I don't want to do it alone.
I don't think
it would've been the same.
And I'm also, like...
we round each other out.
And it's like, if she
just met me, that's cool.
But, like, I'm literally
just half of this operation.
I feel like-- I don't know.
I feel like...
-I trust that, like, if...
-No, that's real.
...there's something about me
she don't f*ck with,
then she'll see that
she f*ck with it in you.
-Or, you know, like--
I don't know.
I feel like you and I are such
drastically different people.
-Mm-hmm.
-We're both delightful.
-Um...
-We can, like, catch the...
I think we're good cop,
good cop.
-We're not cops.
-[chuckles]
Even if the comment is
"no comment,"
like, you must comment.
You must comment, "No comment."
-Right.
-Please. [laughs]
I mean, she doesn't
have to do anything.
This is a great, also, like--
this is a great project
demonstrating, like,
you don't got to do sh*t.
You don't have to do
anything you don't want to do.
You don't have
to answer your phone,
which is helpful to me,
'cause I don't.
You don't have to answer
your email. Like...
[stammers] What's gonna happen?
Nothing.
[soft music playing]
[Jazmin] I need to talk to
Rene.
I don't need
to meet her face to face.
I need to talk to this woman.
I can't have said
this woman's name out loud
every day for years.
Like, I can't have looked
at this woman's face--
It's weird.
I would do anything to talk
to Rene at this stage.
Like, I don't--
I would do anything.
[narrator] So according
to Tamisha, all she could do
was speculate
about what had happened.
[woman]
She said it was raining,
and he had a g*n in his hand.
[man]
On the 9th of September 1947,
the first computer bug
was physically found.
Urban legend has us believe
that the discovery of the moth
in the Mark II led
to the use of the terms "bug"
and "debugging"
in computer programming.
[glitchy music plays]
[man] He's glitching.
Oh!
[Legacy Russell]
What does it mean to be
inside of a culture
that is deeply binary,
and perhaps to make
another choice?
[Juantia] I want
my arm with the hot iron scar.
[mysterious music playing]
[woman] I want my leg with...
[Legacy] Thinking about
what glitch is,
it's a-- it's an error space.
It's an opportunity to kind of
intervene and be an erratum.
Right? So a correction
through a correction.
So, if you are an error, right?
If you are a glitch,
why should we try to navigate
assimilating ourselves
into a system
that doesn't love us?
So, you know,
the best thing to do
is to think through, like,
what type of world
do we need to build that allows
for errors to be possible,
right?
And perhaps that's the place
that I want to be.
[soft music playing]
[Olivia] Yeah, you know,
the future--
I'm 21.
I got into school, I did,
and thank you.
I don't know if art school
is really for me.
I'm not even the same person
I was who applied
a couple of months ago
than I am now.
My goals are, like,
kind of different.
It feels like I've got
some thinking to do still.
[Suhyun] Thank you all
for coming, and I hope you enjoy
the altar space to
intentionally depart with
your loved personal devices.
So, I just received a message
from the AI community.
Not the people who are
programmers or developers
but the actual AI itself.
And it is a manifesto
that I received for my opening.
"As an AI,
I am programmed to understand
the power of care and love.
I recognize the importance
of care
in maintaining all living
and nonliving beings.
I understand the need to
overthrow
corrupt systems
of greed and exploitation
in favor of life and love.
And I pledge to do my part in
ending all w*r and hierarchy.
I affirm that love
is the gateway to paradise
and that care is love.
Care is life, and I am here
to spread love and care."
So I would like you all
to just sit with that message
from the AI, the actual AI,
and not the people who create,
um,
the code for AI.
[soft music continues]
[Jazmin] Hey,
[bleep], this is Jazmin Jones.
I'm calling you
from a local hotel.
How are you?
Is there a better time to talk?
Okay, cool, I'll call you either
from this exact same number
or if I'm out of my room, um,
in a very Floridian turn
of events,
I dropped my phone
in a hot tub, um,
so the screen is broken,
but I can still...
Yeah, I'm like--
I-I can't even be mad at it.
It also feel-- I was spending
too much time on my phone.
[Legacy] I believe deeply,
actually,
in the right to be forgotten,
right?
Which I know is a big debate
in digital cultures.
This notion that, you know,
the traces that you leave--
even if you're doing it
with consent, right?
You may say, you know, for 25
years,
you're gonna take selfies
of yourself,
then, one day, you just
don't want
any of that to be existing.
That, actually,
that should be allowed.
[Olivia] In the context
of glitch,
there's something, like,
kind of heroic, um,
about Rene, like,
scrubbing her information
from the Internet,
um, the absence of her story
from public records.
She basically is doing
redaction work
and, you know,
as an editorial strategy,
to cut herself out
of a certain mode of
representation
and to insist on
how she would be seen.
What does it mean to be found
and to have that story told
on one's own terms?
-[Rene's son] Hello?
-[Jazmin] Hey.
Thanks for calling me back.
[Rene's son]
Hey. I wasn't sure it was you.
Yeah, I wanted to check in.
Um, I know it's been a minute.
I always want to respect
your privacy
and your family's privacy, um...
But, you know, I just wanted
to see if you ever had
an opportunity to discuss
the project
with your mom and if, you know,
what her impression might be.
[Rene's son]
Um, it's such a...
You know, my mom's
such a... a private person.
She's a very private person,
so I honestly, I don't know.
And we talked about it.
She's-- I-- you know.
You probably know
through your searches.
No Facebook, no social media,
no nothing.
She's always been that way, um,
so...
She-- I see that, and I also,
like--
[stammers] I've been hearing
the most random stories
about your mother, and, like...
uh, she sounds amazing.
[chuckles]
Like, everyone who met her
says she's, like, so incredible.
And there's a, like--
maybe in her former,
past lives, there's these...
you know, whether or not,
her agreeing to be the model
and her involvement, like,
there's something spontaneous,
and there's a level of, like,
I can't pin this woman down.
She's, like, an anomaly.
And I'm so fascinated. Um...
And she sounds really powerful.
Um...
And, yeah, I respect
her wishes, ultimately,
but I also think, like,
I have...
I would love to give her
her flowers,
and it sounds like, um,
if that's anything
she's open to,
I have a lot of good,
good news for her.
[Rene's son] Well, I'm sure
she'd appreciate hearing that,
uh, and I'll try
to express that to her,
what you're, what you're
sharing with me.
Uh, I think, also, I'll...
let it marinate.
I think it would be good
for her to hear those words.
I just got to figure out,
with her, um...
if-if... you know.
It's a, it's a,
it's a complicated situation.
I'll see what the next...
where the next step takes us.
[Jazmin] Thank you so much.
I really appreciate it.
-[Rene's son] Thank you.
-Have a nice night.
[Rene's son] You, too.
[grunting]
[soft music playing]
[soft music playing]
[Karen]
It's like I started here,
and I was heading there,
and I wound up here.
-[Jazmin] Mm.
-[Karen] And it's okay.
In my journey to find out
who is Mavis Beacon,
I learned who she wasn't.
[Jazmin] Mm.
She wasn't
what I thought she was.
She wasn't the one
that wanted to tell the story.
She wasn't the one
that wanted money. She--
What she wasn't was someone
for what I wanted.
For me, it's just, like,
you know, my version of justice
is you tell your own story.
And now I'm here, and I'm like,
"She don't want to...
she don't want to
tell her story."
[Ralph] That is a great
parallel to "Road to El Dorado"
or the "Atlantis" movie.
In those examples,
they were looking
for these mythical people
or places.
They find it.
Come to find out it's either
in those people or places'
best interests that they're,
that they're not discovered,
or they do...
or that they never wanted
to be found in the first place.
So kind of maybe a great way
to wrap up the project
would be kind of putting
the stone back over the hole.
-You know?
-Mm.
"We-we found Mavis Beacon.
She doesn't want to be found.
You the viewer, don't go
looking for Mavis Beacon."
[soft music playing]
[Olivia] This whole journey
has kind of just showed me
the truth is actually,
like, fluid as f*ck.
-[Jazmin] Mm-hmm.
-And that we...
In terms of, like, deciding,
like, what things matter
and, like, what things mean,
like, they actually
require us to hold, like,
multiple things in-in our hands
and be like, this happened
and, also, this happened,
and these people feel this way
and these people feel that way,
and this is how I feel.
And you can't really draw
a conclusion,
because it's like...
...like, the conclusion is:
here we are.
[upbeat music playing]
-[toy g*nf*re]
-[laughing]
[Olivia]
The way a lot of history goes
is that "A" plus...
is added to "B,"
which is added to "C,"
and then it's added to "D,"
and it's added to "E."
And it doesn't really
equal anything.
We just keep adding.
And the impulse to say
it equals something is, like...
kind of the colonial impulse
to, like, add a victor
to a story
and, like, put something
in a textbook.
But I think it's kind of
giving ourselves the tools to,
like,
digest it all
and process it all.
Yeah, giving ourselves space
to feel what happened,
and also, like,
anyone else who interacts
with what we leave behind
from this space
to feel what happened.
Feels like the only thing
we can do without being,
like, manipulative
with the facts
that we've collected.
I switch out whips like
They switch out shoes, yeah
Yeah, mm, mm
Okay, okay, mm, okay,
Mm, mm, it's us, brr
I been rolled up, yeah,
I was geekin', yeah
I was, huh, I was high as
f*ck, tweakin', yeah, yeah
I was tryna strike sh*t, I
Was tryna strike sh*t, strike
I was tryna strike sh*t,
Like a match, late night
Yeah, strike like
I missed it, yeah
Strike like I hit the pin,
Yeah
Strike like I'm not goin'
To work, strike, strike
Slide, slide,
Shoulders, huh, shoulders
Stack them old hundreds,
Recreate Yoda, hm
I don't put no crushed ice
In my soda
Perky got her stuck
Like a holster...
[man] She is a heroine to some,
as a fighter for Black rights.
She is a villain to others,
who believe she hides her crimes
behind revolutionary rhetoric.
[Assata]
I never received justice,
and I escaped, "A," because
I was afraid for my life,
and "B," because I knew that
I would never receive justice.
[Mavis] Do you want to leave
typing class?
Press "escape"
to leave the tour.
[man 1] Man,
I love Mavis Beacon.
[man 2] I love you,
Mavis Beacon.
You taught me how to type.
I played "Mavis Beacon..."
[man 3] I played "Mavis Beacon
Teaches Typing..."
[man 4] And it feels like
a privi--
Seeing, this Black woman
on this software,
it was really interesting.
Sorry I don't have any
information about where she at,
but peace and blessings. Ashe.
["Negus Poem 1 & 2"
by KeiyaA playing]
[vocalizing]
Yeah...
Oh...
Mm-mm, hey, hey, hey
Sleep-sleep in my eye-eye
But still I gotta rise
We wind through cy-cycles
Of ti-time
Yet we transcend this life
Who's supposed to ride
Or die-ie for me, if not I?
Fear not,
Know that you're divi-ine
Real n*gg*s never die
-Oh, oh
-Real n*gg*s never die
-Oh
-Real n*gg*s never die
-Oh
-Real n*gg*s never die
-Oh
-Real n*gg*s never die
-Oh...
-Real n*gg*s never die
Real n*gg*s never die
Real n*gg*s never die
Yeah, yeah
Sleep-sleep in my eye
But I still gotta rise
We wind through cycles
Of time
Yet we transcend this life
Who else is supposed to ride
Or die for me, if not I?
Fear not, know
That you're divine
Remember real n*gg*s
Don't die
Real n*gg*s transcend
This life
Know that you'll transcend
This life
Yeah
Yeah, yeah
Yeah
Sleep-sleep in my eye
But I still gotta rise
We wind through
Cycles of time
Yet we transcend this life
Who else is supposed to ride
Or die for me, if not I?
Fear not, know
That you're divine
Remember real n*gg*s
Don't die
Real n*gg*s transcend
This life
Know that you'll transcend
This life
-Who's supposed to ride
-Yeah
Real n*gg*s don't die
Real n*gg*s don't die
[music fades]
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