03x55 - Sentimental Silicon Bust and Sancho Showdown

[bunniefuu]

You had this disagreement?

Her son was playing with the dog.

He kind of sit next to me,
and he was playing with some slime.

And I'm like, "What is that?"
He said, "Daisy busted the ball."

I said, "Give me the ball,"
and it was my breast implant.

You kept your old breast implants?

Absolutely.

Why?

Why not? I mean...

[narrator] This is Judy Justice.

[opening credits music]

Niomi Jackson is suing
her former roommate, Gianna Rodriguez,

for property damage caused
by Gianna's five-year-old son.

[Kevin] Court come to order. All rise.

Have a seat, please.

Hello, Judge.

Case 3083, Jackson vs Rodriguez.

Thank you.

-Ms. Jackson, you have your own home?
-I do.

You own the home or rent it?

I own it.

-Do you have a mortgage?
-No.

You and the Defendant met,
you became friends,

and you invited her
and her five-year-old child,

who she shares custody with the father,

to live with you and share expenses.

-Yeah.
-When did you do that?

She was a tenant of mine.
That's how we met.

That was two years ago.
Back in '22.

And it was her boyfriend that I rented to.

Let's not get far afield.

She wanted to move out of where she was
living 'cause school was gonna start.

And I said, "Well, why don't
you come live with me?

I have a six bedroom house.
I live by myself."

So I said,
"Why don't you come live with me?"

-So, spur-of-the-moment...
-When did she come to live with you?



-No. It was...
-Shh.

In 2022... the beginning of 2022?

'23, sorry.

-'23?
-Yes.

'22 was when she was a tenant.

-'23, she came to live with you.
-With me. Correct.

And where are you living now?

I now live with my cousin
somewhere else.

Since when?

Since June.

Is that when you had this disagreement?

Yeah. When we got into the argument,
and I...

Okay. And this is what you got
into an argument about.

Now, Ms. Jackson, it is your claim
that the Defendant's five year-old,

who she was not supervising adequately,
got into your bedroom.

And in your closet,
you kept your old breast implants.

Ones that you had had removed
because you got different ones.

-Correct.
-And you kept them

for no particular reason.
You weren't using them again.

And it was a sentimental reason
that you kept...

Mm-hmm.

...the breast implants.

And it is your claim
that her son got into the room...

-He wasn't...
-Shh!

Got into the box where you kept them,
took it, and was playing with it.

-With the dog.
-Catch with the dog.

-And they were destroyed.
-Correct.

Okay. And you want her to pay
for the breast implants.

Absolutely.

Why?

Well, 'cause why not? I mean...

They were my breast implants.

[scoffs]

Those were my property.

Yeah. How much did you pay for them?

The time when I did that surgery,
I paid $3,500.

But when I paid for surgery
to take them out, I paid $4,000.

-No, but you... I just...
-To get the new ones put in.

I don't care about taking them out.
That's not...

That has no relevance to this whatsoever.

So you paid $3,500 for them.

When? What year?

I did them back in... the silicone...
I did back in 2012.

Okay. So now they're teenagers.

Who's teenagers? Oh.

The breast implants.

-[audience laughing]
-Yes.

No. I had them in for seven years.

So you replaced them after seven years.
So you replaced them in 2019.

Yes. The current ones I have now.
I got those taken out...

-Just a second.
-...in 2019.

-So you replaced them in 2019.
-Yes.

And you want the original cost of them.

Sure.

Okay. Well, you don't get that.

Now, you want to tell me...
This incident happened in June.

Let's just be quick about it, please,
because I have other things to do today.

-You heard some noise.
-It's not like the value went...

Stop. Stop. You heard...

It's not like the value of them went down.

If anything, it's higher to get them
replaced, the silicone implants.

You sound ridiculous.

It was in June of this year
that this incident occurred?

-It happened in May.
-'23.

Okay. And you heard some noise.
And when you looked outside...

when you looked in the house,
you found her son playing with your dog?

-I was sitting down watching TV.
-And...?

Behind me, her son was
playing with the dog.

He kind of sit next to me,
and he was playing with some slime.

And I'm like, "What is that?"
I didn't want it on the couch.

So I said, "What is that?"
He said, "Daisy busted the ball."

I said, "Give me that ball."

'Cause like I said, I didn't want it
all over the place... all over the couch.

And it was my breast implant.

Okay. And where had they been?

They were in my closet
in a medical sealed bag.

Okay. Now, did Ms. Jackson tell you about
what happened that day?

No. She never once mentioned
that she had silicones in a bag.

Not to mention that they were in a closet

reachable for
a five-year-old child to get to.

-My closet. My closet.
-Plus... no...

And plus, my dog is there too.

Not to mention, if they busted,
something could've happened to him.

Just... that's a shoulda-woulda-coulda.

There isn't a question, Ms. Rodriguez,
in your mind

that due to your five-year-old's actions,

she lost a piece of her property.

-Yes.
-Correct?

-Correct.
-Okay.

So now we have to put a value
on that piece of property,

which is not $3,500.

So you kept these breast implants...
which you cannot use again,

'cause they can't be used again...

you kept them for sentimental reasons.

Yes. Absolutely.

Okay. And they can't be replaced
for sentimental reasons.

Once they're gone, they're gone.
Correct?

Once they're gone, they're gone.
I mean for sentimental reasons.

You can't reuse them.
You can't resell them.

-They are of no...
-I could probably resell them.

I mean, I could probably reuse them
if I wanted to.

Oh. I don't think you can.

[narrator] And later today...

Mr. Drake says that you were friends.

You describe him as a "sancho."

-A sancho.
-What is that?

I guess people call it
"friends with benefits" nowadays.

So are you suggesting
that he had benefits?

Oh yeah.

[all laughing]

♪ ♪

[narrator] Niomi Jackson is accusing
her former roommate, Gianna Rodriguez,

of refusing to pay
for her old breast implants

after Gianna's five-year-old son
destroyed them.

Now, you can't reuse them
You can't resell them.

You can't return them
back to the manufacturer.

But I paid for them.

I understand that you paid for them.

Let's say you had a car
and the car was unusable,

but, you know, you had gotten it
from a parent, from an old boyfriend,

from somebody,
so you kept it in the garage.

It couldn't be sold.
It couldn't be driven.

You kept it because
you liked to look at it.

And let's say her son...
instead of your breast implants...

got into the car
and got bubblegum on the seat.

Is he gonna pay for the car?

It's unusable. It's undrivable.

It's incapable of being traded,
negotiated for anything.

It may have sentimental reason for you,

but it has no extrinsic value
to anybody else.

So what do you think you're entitled to
for losing...

It may not have value to anybody else,
but it has value to me.

And it cost me money to get it.

-So I don't agree with just...
-Very good. Very good.

Your son should not have
destroyed her property.

-Do you understand?
-Correct.

Whether it was negligence on your part
for not watching the five-year-old,

I don't know. You don't keep your eye
on a five-year-old all the time.

Judgment for the Plaintiff
in the amount of one dollar.

-Oh, wow.
-Thank you very much. We're done.

-[audience laughs]
-[Kevin] This court is adjourned.

A dollar?

I paid $4,000 for my breast implants.
A dollar?

I am happy today.

I'm thankful that it was
in my favor for the dollar.

So I can go bust people's implants
and not have to pay for it?

I'm pretty sure it was silicone,
and that's toxic. It's poisonous.

So I'm just thankful my dog
and my child wasn't harmed.

I'm very upset.

Well, she was pretty upset.

A dollar for my breast implants?
I paid $4,000.

I'm very angry.

If you left them in the closet, it's...

it's like shoes in a closet.

They're just sitting there
waiting to be played with.

Ridiculous!

All right.

Case number 3075,
Drake vs Waynes-Koerner.

All parties, please step forward.

[narrator] Derrick Drake is suing
his former girlfriend,

Roswitha Waynes-Koerner,
for an unpaid car loan.

-Mr. Drake.
-Yes, ma'am.

Is your claim that
the Defendant owes you $1,000

for the down payment you gave her
for a car?

-Yes, Your Honor.
-The Defendant says

she owes you nothing.
It was your idea

because you wanted better access to her.

Ms. Koerner says you owe her
the same thousand dollars

because you destroyed
or threw away some dresses

that she had purchased for your sisters
and gave you the dresses to hold

until you saw your sisters.
And you disposed of them.

She wants the value
of what she paid for them.

Mr. Drake, I found
some of the papers interesting.

How do you know Ms. Koerner?

Well, we used to live
in the same apartment complex.

About six months ago, she moved into...
she moved out of the complex.

When she lived in the complex,
did you have a relationship with her?

No. We were just friends.

Okay. Who did you live with, sir?

I lived by myself.

And who did Ms. Koerner live with?

She lived by herself.

-And then she moved away.
-Yes.

And you continued to see her?

Yes.

Tell me about that.

Well, we became good friends.
And when she moved away,

we just carried on our friendship.

She would come by and see me.
I would go by and see her.

-It wasn't a romantic relationship?
-No.

-Not romantic?
-No.

-Not intimate? Just friends?
-No. Just friends.

Okay. Tell me about the car loan.

Well, she came by my apartment one day

and she was...
she had an electric bike.

And the bike, she said,
it was no good anymore.

I said, "Well, would you like
some more transportation?"

And she said, "Yes."
I said, "I can loan you $1,000

to buy you a vehicle
if you pay me back.

And she says, "Okay.
I can take that loan."

And I said, "Can you pay me back
within six months?"

Because I was going
to drunk driving school.

I said, "I'm going to graduate
from drunk driving school in six months,

so I need the money
because I need to buy me a car."

You said, "I can loan you $1,000."

Did you go with Ms. Koerner to find a car?

-Yes, Your Honor.
-How did you get there?

One of her friends drove us.
It was at a tow yard.

It wasn't in the city of San Jose.
It was right outside the city.

And did you have check or cash?

I had cash.

And you acknowledge that he put down
$1,000 for the car.

-"Put down?" Well...
-I didn't say "loan," Ms. Koerner.

I said you acknowledge that he put down
$1,000 for the car.

Yes. He was there, yes.

No. Not "he was there."

He put down $1,000 for the car.

-He... yeah.
-Okay.

And you paid a total of $1,700
for the car?

It probably totaled that after paying
for the registration and stuff.

-How much?
-Because it was $1,250.

And then he said, you know,
that he was going to pay for the car

and stuff.
You know, for the gas...

Because I didn't want a car.
I was content with my bike.

But he insists.
So that's where the seven comes in.

'Cause he wants me to pay him back
for the registration, the car.

How much did you pay?

Nothing.

So he paid the whole thing?

Yeah. He wanted it, yeah.

He only says he loaned you $1,000.

No, no. Well, if that's what he's saying,
that's what he's saying, okay?

But it came up to $1,250.
And the seventeen...

It totals out, I guess, to seventeen.
I don't know how.

But it totals out for the registration.

So that's probably
where it comes to $1,700.

How much did you put down on the car?

$1,000.

Well, where'd she get
the other money from?

Uh, I don't know.

Well, you say in your complaint
that you purchased the car...

she found a car for $1,700.

So I'm asking you, if you gave her $1,000,
did she come up with $700?

I guess so.

Oh my God.
I'm getting very, very confused.

All right, now, Ms. Koerner,
Mr. Drake says that you were friends.

-Mm-hmm.
-You describe him in your answer

-as a "sancho."
-A sancho.

-What is that?
-That's your, um...

I guess people call it
"friends with benefits" nowadays.

-[audience chuckles]
-"Friends with benefits?"

So are you suggesting
that he had benefits?

-Oh yeah.
-[audience laughs]

And is that why you used to
bike ride to his house?

Mmm, yeah.

-[audience laughs]
-Shh.

Clearly, it was forgettable.

-[laughing]
-For him.

Do you still have the car?

Oh. Yes, ma'am.

What do you use it for?

For like going to the grocery store.
I don't drive very much.

So, going to the grocery store,
going to see my kids,

or taking my dogs to the park.

You know, I don't work.

Now, you have a sister?
You have some sisters?

I have four sisters, Your Honor.

Did you invite Ms. Koerner
to travel at some point

to your sister's for a party.

Well, we went down to Atlanta on April 28

because my sister was retiring...
her retirement party.

And we were also going to go
to Flint, Michigan on July 21

for my sister's birthday.

Okay. Did there come a time

when Ms. Koerner delivered some dresses
to you for your sisters?

Yes. She delivered some dresses to me so
we can take to Flint, Michigan on July 31.

But I was upset with her because
she never even made me one payment,

so I put them in the hallway.
And I guess somebody took them.

I did not throw them away or destroy them.

Well, you got rid of them
if you put them in the hallway, sir.

I have this Fatal Attraction person
that called him,

told him I was driving
all these men around town,

and he copped an attitude
about me driving...

which I was not,
because I don't like to drive.

I'm 61 years-old. What am I gonna
drive some dudes around town for?

♪ ♪

[narrator] Derrick Drake claims
his former girlfriend,

Roswitha Waynes-Koerner,
owes for an unpaid car loan.

Roswitha is countersuing Derrick
for the cost of designer dresses.

Where did you get the dresses from?

I got them from... from my mom.

They were willed to me.
Willed to me because she had passed.

So they were used dresses?

No, they weren't used dresses.

But you didn't buy them.

No. But they weren't used.

My mom was a shopaholic, and so
she left me these wonderful dresses.

But they were for taller women.
His sisters were tall.

I'm not gonna send junky, trashy dresses

to, you know, impress
his family with, you know?

So they're all name-brand,
nice dresses. Really pretty.

Ask him. He's seen them all.

They look beautiful.

I'm not gonna send nothing tacky.

And so I asked him for the dresses back
when he copped his attitude,

and he told me
he put them out in the hall.

He copped an attitude about what?

About the car.

What about the car?

Okay, let me tell you what happened, okay?

I have this Fatal Attraction person
that's, like, all up in my grill.

I want nothing to do with him.

So he got ahold of his number,
called him,

told him I was driving
all these men around town.

And he copped an attitude
about me driving... which I was not,

'cause I don't like to drive.
I'm 61 years-old.

What am I gonna drive
some dudes around town for?

You know, they're gonna drive me
around town and take me to go eat.

So he copped an attitude,

and then I found out I'm getting a paper
in the mail about I'm being sued.

Okay, then I asked him four days later,

because I waited. I thought maybe he was
gonna call or something. He didn't.

And then I asked him about the dresses.

And that's when he told me
he put them out.

I said, "Why did you put those dresses
out? Why didn't you just call me?"

And he said, "I don't have to call you."
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You know, so I just turned around
and walked away.

Tell me about the car.
He told me his version about the car.

So, the car...
he kept on telling me, you know,

"Rose, let me buy you a car. Let me
get you a car. I'm gonna get you a car."

"No. I'm cool. I don't want the car.
I'm happy with my bike."

Okay. After you bought the car,
did you drive in the car

to go to any vacations with his family?

No, 'cause his family's not here.
But we did drive to the airport.

That's what the main thing was...
to go to the airport, get us there,

and then when we get back,
the car was there so we can drive home.

Where did you go from the airport?

When you went to the airport,
where did you travel to?

-To the airport.
-And then where did you go?

Oh. To Atlanta.

From where?

From San Jose.

Who purchased the tickets?

He did.

-Is that right?
-Yes, ma'am.

How come you bought tickets
to take her anywhere?

She was... just 'cause she was a friend?

Because she was a very good friend.

How much is "a very good friend?"

I wanted her to meet my sisters
down in Atlanta, Georgia.

-Why?
-'Cause she was retiring,

and I just wanted her to meet them.

-Why?
-Why?

Yeah. If she was just a friend,
that doesn't make sense to me.

Well, she was a close friend.

-How close?
-[audience chuckles]

Very close. And I just wanted her
to meet my family.

Okay. She was a very close friend.

Yes, ma'am. Yes, Your Honor.

Got it. Okay.

You see, he's more chivalrous
than you are.

Oh. Okay.

He's more chivalrous than you are.

Anything else either one of you
want to tell me?

Did you get angry, by the way?

You saw something
that was written somewhere

that she was driving with men in the car.
Who told you that?

I guess one of her friends called me
and told me all this.

Don't tell me "you guess."

I got upset because
she wasn't paying back the loan.

Nah. I don't think so.

How much were the tickets
from California to Atlanta?

They were $1,600.

That's very expensive.

Yes. Yes, it is.

-$1,600 for both?
-Yes.

And when you got there,
where did you stay?

We stayed at my sister's house in Atlanta.

The next trip you were supposed to take...

did you have to fly there
for the retirement party?

Yes. We were going to go
to Flint, Michigan on July 21

for my sister's birthday.

How were you gonna get there?

We were going to fly.

And you were going to buy the tickets?

Yes.

Sounds like a very good friend.

Very good, yes.
But we never took that trip.

I understand. Did you drive anywhere else
with Ms. Koerner in the car?

-No.
-Did she take you to work?

-No.
-Did she take you anywhere else?

-Did you got out for dinner?
-No.

She just drove back and forth
to your house?

Yes. Yes, Your Honor.

And when she drove back and forth
to your house, did she ever stay over?

No.

She came at what time? And what time did
she leave when she would come to visit?

She would come around one o'clock
in the morning. She would leave about two.

-Or three.
-[laughing]

-Got it.
-[all laughing]

Okay. Mr. Drake, I know
that you were probably annoyed

that you heard from her friend
that she was using this car

that you had purchased for her

and she was taking
other people around in the car.

So I know that was probably
an annoyance for you.

But that doesn't create a loan.
I don't believe it was a loan, Mr. Drake.

I think she's more accurate.

And I've never...
you learn something new every day.

"Sancho."
Sancho?

Sancho.

Okay. Which I believe is
probably accurate.

And you have no value on these dresses?

Well, I pulled them up online, okay?

And, um, what they look like, you know.

And you gave them away.
You gave them to him.

Well, yeah, you know,
to give to his sisters.

Not to throw away.

You're not getting any money from him.

-Okay?
-Okay. That's fine.

I'm good with this.

You got a car out of it, right?

Eh...

[both laughing]

Thank you. Have a good day.

-It's just the point, Judge, that's all.
-Have a good day.

-Thank you. You, too.
-[Kevin] Court is adjourned.

I know I didn't win and she didn't win,
but life goes on, you know.

Life is good. It's just another day.

Well, it's all good with me. I mean, hell,
I got a free car out of it.

How she was driving other guys around
in the car that I bought...

-that I paid for.
-Hell no.

But I found out later on that
they were just making that up.

Because he had said
when I went to go see him...

he said, you know, "Oh, you driving
all kinds of men in the car."

I asked her, and she said no.

And I found out that
she was telling the truth.

I'm all like, "Dude, why am I gonna be
driving dudes around in my car?"

I guess you could say that...
that I am her sancho.

No sancho for me.
No more. I'm good.

You know, when you asked him what time
his friend came to visit him

when she upgraded
from the electric bike to the car,

I had my pencil ready.
I was ready to write, you know,

'after work' or maybe 'before'
if she was gonna take him.

You know, the normal hours...
one to two in the morning.

-[both laughing]
-That was really...

You know, you learn
something new every day.

I certainly did.
I learned what a "sancho" was.

Okay. Yeah.

[narrator] Are you having
a family dispute?

[end credits music]