02x07 - Ben & Matt

[bunniefuu]

No.

[Travis] You've met
the love of your life.

I looked in her eyes
and I just saw my other half.

[Rahne] But they're hiding
a massive secret, you.

Have you ever met anyone
in his family?

No.

He blocked me
from his social media.

I need to meet someone
in your life.

[Rahne] I'm Rahne Jones.

[Travis] And I'm Travis Mills.

[Rahne] We help desperate people

who are being kept secret
find out why.

Why are you hiding me?

I need answers or this is it.

[Travis] Will relationships
survive...

How could you do this to me?

I had to call these people
to help me.

[Travis] When faced
with the truth?

-Oh, hell, no.
-[inaudible].

[Rahne] Just one second.
Hey, hey, hey.

Get the [bleep] out of my house.

[Travis] This is MTV's Help!
I'm in a Secret Relationship!

Tonight we're in New York
with Ben and Matt,

best friends and roommates
for over five years.

But in the blink of an eye,

Ben is now blocked
on Matt's social media

and completely hidden
from his life.

You live together in real life,
but you're blocked online.

Right? I could literally go
knock on your bedroom door

and you're gonna block me?

That's really weird.

[Travis] Matt thinks
he's on a show

about life after fashion schoo,

but we're here
to get to the bottom

of his broken friendship.

I think Matt is plagiarizing
Ben's photography.

This isn't the Matt that I was
friends with for five years.

Is this his new best friend?

[Ben] I'm just so
[bleep] confused.

Why wouldn't you just come
tell me?

Because that's not everything.

♪ Tick tock,
around the clock ♪

♪ I woke up spicy
and never stop ♪

♪ Tick tock,
adrenaline ♪

♪ Got way too much here,
I'm down to win ♪

♪ Hey ♪

-Rahne. You're home!
-Travis.

I'm so excited
for you to be here.

[Travis] Oh, my God.
I love New York.

It honestly feels surreal

because 6 years ago,
when I moved here,

you couldn't tell me
that I'd be here now.

It's intense, it's face paced,

but it's just a beautiful city,
so exciting,

and well populated, I will say.

It's a place
where nine million people live,

and it's easy to hide someone
and keep secrets,

which is why
we're here to help Ben,

who feels like he's being
hidden from his best friend Matt

for the last six months.

This is interesting, right,

because they're
platonic friends,

but they're also roommates.

Oh, my God. It's so nice out.

Right? Finally, it's about time.

Growing up, there weren't a lot

of young q*eer people for me
to be friends with.

Yes.

So to move to New York

and find something that felt
so much like a brotherhood

that I was lacking for so long,

it definitely made us
even better friends, for sure.

I like the little mitten
that you have

for your one camera hand.

My one camera hand.

So me and Matt met literally
our first day of fashion school.

I was in the business school
and Matt's an illustrator,

he's a painter.

Use the branches to compose.

It's definitely been nice
to have Matt

to grow into my adult self with.

-Just do a little lead.
-Good.

[Ben] Being two young g*y men
in New York City

and knowing each other
so well has been really special.

Wait, look at this guy's bio.

Give me that.
This guy has your look.

My look?

Yeah, the cut jaw.

I need somebody
with some ambition,

-some good goals.
-Okay, yeah.

This platonic relationship
has been important to me

as I do navigate dating
and meeting other people.

We've fostered this friendship

that is unlike any friendship
I've ever had.

[Matt] You're gonna help me
get this on, right?

[Ben] Yeah, no,
of course, of course.

You don't get a best friend
like that every day.

That's definitely something
that I wanna hold on to.

You look amazing.

Oh, my God,
your skin is glowing.

[Ben] Cheers.

There's always been this
communication and this honesty.

But about six months ago,
things shifted.

I was blocked
on Matt's social media.

That definitely left me
feeling very confused.

What do you think,
look good together?

No, yeah, yeah,
it looks, it looks good.

A lot of this honesty
and loyalty and communication

that I valued in our friendship

is no longer there.

Matt, I'm asking your opinion.
What are you doing right now?

[Matt] I have a work thing
that just came up.

-Work?
-Yeah, they're... Yeah.

Are you gonna come with me

or you just gonna bail again?

It's a work... I don't know...

You don't have an answer.
You don't have an answer.

If Matt does not come clean,

it will definitely be difficult
for me

to proceed with our friendship.

So they came to New York
to conquer their dreams.

So I don't know how you're
best friends with someone,

you guys are living together,
and then all of a sudden...

-It's a little suspect.
-A hundred percent.

-Shall we get it?
-Let's go meet Ben.

All right.

♪ I just touched down,
city full of bright lights ♪

♪ New York ♪

Jeez, this is what
it's like to film and not drive?

Yes, it is.

♪ Be careful with the cabs ♪

♪ 'Cause they're
driving real fast ♪

One of these days,
I'll take over the driving,

but maybe you don't
feel comfortable 'cause...

♪ New York, New York,
I feel it in my blood ♪

♪ New York, New York,
you know I got love ♪

This is it.

[rings bell]

-[Ben] Who is it?
-It's Travis and Rahne.

-[Ben] You can come on up.
-[Rahne] Awesome.

All right.

-[Ben] Welcome.
-[Rahne] It's nice to meet you.

[Ben] It's so nice to meet you.
How are you?

[Rahne] Oh, my goodness,
this is beautiful.

[Ben] Nice to meet you. I'm Ben.

Yeah, come take a seat.

[Travis] I can't help
but notice,

-is that a painting of you?
-It is.

-[Ben] Isn't that pretty sick?
-[Travis] That's amazing.

Giving wealthy?

-Giving regal.
-Giving regal.

All this art's my roommate's.
Yeah, he made all of it.

-Amazing. It's beautiful.
-Right? It's pretty sick, right?

[Travis] Well, we're really
happy that you reached out

and speaking of your roommate...

Yeah. Right.

Why don't you tell us a little
bit about what's going on?

So me and Matt have been friends
for five years.

I literally met Matt
in my first day of college.

We went to fashion school
together.

And we're pretty inseparable
since then.

-Do you two work together?
-We don't.

-Okay.
-[Ben] We don't work together.

He works at a gallery
as a studio manager.

I guess it's probably
a little boring job,

but it pays the bills,
from what I understand.

Okay.

We're very intertwined.
We're very much family.

I struggled growing up,

just being a young q*eer person
in suburbia.

And I was very fortunate to find
a best friend in Matt like that.

Yeah. Now, fate
brought you together.

You hit it off,

and you go from college to
getting an apartment together,

and really merging your lives.

It's obvious to me
this is not just a friend,

not just a best friend
but a brother.

Absolutely.

♪ All the props and respect,
yo, we came to collect ♪

♪ Mad symbols on my chest,
yo, we came to collect ♪

[Ben] The friendship
is pretty important to me.

And this is a partner
to go through life with.

But these past six months

have been really unsettling
for me.

But I'm struggling to pin down
what it could be.

What does it look like
when he's hiding you,

especially if you're roommates?

Right, I definitely feel
it looks like avoidance.

Conversations are much shorter
than they ever were.

My calls may not be answered,

or I may not get a text
when he's coming home from work.

I'm not really getting
put in the loop

like I may have in the past.

Sometimes he may be creeping out

and I don't know
where he's going.

He's not letting me know,

or maybe he's not
maybe coming home one night.

Now, just hearing you talk
about your friendship with Matt,

it seems like there is so much
of your lives intertwined.

Talk to me about
your love lives,

because I know
that, usually, when

a friend starts dating someone,

they can pull back
from the friend group,

and they get sucked into
relationship land.

Been there.

Has that ever happened
with you and Matt?

Yeah, I feel like, in the past,

we do have that open line
of communication

about relationships

and who we're meeting,
who we're hanging out with.

We come back home
and share all the tea,

wanna tell them how it went.

Previously, those were things
that we wanted to share

with each other in that sense,

but I don't know
what to say anymore.

Okay.

[Ben] Recently, I was
literally on my phone

and I was fully blocked.

-Hold on, so...
-Oh, hell, no.

[Ben] The person
that I live with.

So you live together
in real life,

-but you're blocked online.
-[Ben] Right?

I was so thrown off
when I discovered that.

I could literally go knock
on your bedroom door

and be like, "What's good?"

And you're gonna block me?

You don't wanna see me
on your phone?

-Red flags are way up.
-Big red flag. Big red flag.

Way up. It just doesn't
make any sense.

[Ben] And that's what
I was saying.

So, of course, me being direct,
I was like,

"Yo, why am I blocked?
What did you do that for?"

And immediately
when I asked him,

he told me
that he blocked the wrong Ben.

Okay, well unblock
the wrong Ben.

That it was a mistake.
Right, right.

-You're still blocked?
-Still blocked.

-Wow.
-Right.

I know from experience of living
with some of my best friends,

-friends fight, right?
-Absolutely.

You're bound to get into
some arguments

and disagreements.

In the past, when you and Matt
have gotten into arguments

or might've disagreed
about something,

what does that look like?

[Ben] I like to confront things.

So in the past, I feel like
I may have given him

this direct response to things,

and maybe he didn't really
appreciate it as much

and it put him off.

Sounds like you've always
been this direct,

so has he gotten to a point
where he's just like,

"I'm over it."

That's definitely something
that I've tried

to avoid thinking about.

But he may not wanna be
my friend anymore.

To have that potentially end,

it is a lot,
and I can understand it.

It is a lot.
This is my best friend,

and I can't really imagine
him not being there.

-[Rahne] Okay.
-Okay.

Is there anything else
you can think of?

Yeah, so I did hear something
a little weird recently

from a friend of mine.

Matt had told her
that he's looking ahead

at what's next for him,

and that he was
strongly considering

moving to the West Coast

to maybe do some more work
out there.

So that made me think
immediately, I'm like,

"Is he trying to move out
and leave me?"

I mean...
how would you feel about that?

The idea of having him
walk away from me here

is definitely scary.

[Rahne] To sit here
and have to help you

with a friend
who you've had in your life

for five years
who is now hiding you

is truly unfortunate,

and I'm sorry
that you're going through this.

And we're here to give you
all the help that you need.

Thank you so much, guys.
I really appreciate it.

-Okay, first of all.
-Whoo.

Ben is my new favorite person
ever.

-Truly, right?
-He's so sweet.

How could you do that
to somebody like that?

-You know what I'm saying?
-I don't know.

Look, this is someone
who desperately cares

-about his best friend, right?
-Yes.

Wants the best for him.

And I feel like
this is heartbreaking

because Matt
has, essentially, been

a part of his entire adult life.

[Rahne] Yeah.
And let's talk about it.

What are Ben's theories, right?

Maybe he just doesn't want
to be my friend anymore.

Maybe he's trying to move
to the West Coast.

Yeah.

Part of me wonders if Ben is
in love with Matt, you know?

And maybe Matt is going away

because he doesn't feel
the same way.

Travis, it's not out
of the realm of possibility.

I wanna look
at his social media.

[Rahne] He sent us
all the context. Go, Ben.

Because if you are blocking Ben,

-what else are you hiding?
-Right.

So here's his profile.

[Rahne] Lovely.

[Travis] Okay. Wow.

[Rahne] Dancing videos, okay.

Let's go to, "My girl
got me sinnin' on a Sunday."

-"Cute. Love you."
-[Rahne] Okay.

Let's send her a message.

[Rahne] Okay.

[Travis] We would love
to ask you some questions

about your friend.

Mm-hmm. "Friend."

-Matt.
-Perfect.

-Oh, she saw it.
-[Rahne] Uh-oh.

Guys, this is weird. Why?

-So... Be honest.
-Should we be honest?

She's typing.

[Rahne] I love how she's honest.

"Umm, who is Ben?"

Ben is not just his friend.
He's also his roommate.

-Roommate.
-So it would make sense

to be like, "Hey, I live here

with my roommate, Ben."

It seems like it would come up
in natural conversation.

-"Meet my roommate."
-Yeah.

"Ben is Matt's best friend."

"And."

"And roommate."

-And she stopped typing.
-[Rahne] And that's it.

She said, "Who is Ben?"

That lady don't know who Ben is.

Is this his new best friend?

[Travis] Coming up...

Could you see Ben and Matt
just not being friends again?

I just feel like
that's something really hard

to forgive.

That's gonna be hard
for Ben to hear.

[Rahne] If all this is true,

I feel like that would be
the end of the friendship.

What could be so big

that you're trying
to buy time to tell me?

It's [bleep] weird.

♪ Take it to the next ♪

♪ What am I gonna do with,
gonna do with my regrets ♪

♪ I'mma interrupt ♪

♪ Give me some provision,
I won't settle for less ♪

[Rahne] We're in New York
to help Ben figure out why

his best friend, Matt,
is hiding him.

Ben asked us to reach out
to their friend, B,

who agreed to meet
on a break at work.

Seeing as she knows
both Ben and Matt,

we know she's gonna have
some good insight.

Okay, I'm gonna sh**t her
a text,

let her know we're here.

♪ My god, my god, my god ♪

♪ Like that, like that,
like that, like that ♪

This her?

-[Travis] You B?
- Yeah, I am.

-Hey, Travis.
-Hi, nice to meet y'all.

-[Travis] Nice to meet you.
-[Rahne] I'm Rahne.

Nice to meet you.
So we know that this is odd.

So your friend Ben
reached out to us

and told us that you would be
a good person to talk to.

Yeah. No, I love Ben and Matt.

They're two of my best friends.

Is it a shock
or a surprise to you

the fact that Matt
has pulled back?

No, I feel like, lately,
Matt has been a little distant.

Whenever I go over there,

I don't really see Matt as much.

He's always "working"
or something.

Ben, he ran through
some of the scenarios

-or thinking about.
-Right.

One of the things he mentioned
was that

maybe Matt doesn't want
to be his friend anymore

and doesn't have the guts
to communicate that to him,

which would, obviously,
be heartbreaking

because they've been friends
for this long

and what would've happened
to make him wanna do that?

I think it would be because of
how Ben's been acting

after a recent breakup.

-[Travis] Hold on.
-[Rahne] Okay.

-So Ben was in a relationship.
-Yeah.

And that ended. And how has Ben
been acting since then?

Ben just can be really forward
with his emotions.

So I'm sure that he
has been talking to Matt

and airing out his grievances.

He's been in a bad mood.

And Matt's usually
such a good roommate,

like a shoulder to cry on.

But maybe Matt's over it

and doesn't wanna deal
with it anymore.

He just can get so
down in the dumps about it

and hard on himself, and that's
not really fun to be around.

I don't know. I'm trying
to put myself in Ben's shoes.

I would hope that I had a friend

who rolled with me
throughout feeling like that.

Yeah. I just want Matt
to be honest with Ben

because I love them so much.

I want them to stay
best friends.

[Rahne] Absolutely.

[Travis] It's really nice
to meet you.

[Rahne] Nice to meet you.

Hope y'all figure this one out.

-[Rahne] We will.
-[Travis] Appreciate it.

[Travis]
Have a good night.

[Rahne] Bye.

Well, Ben might have
a little broken heart.

I know, and he was
venting to his friend.

I know that I definitely relied
on my friends

when I'm going through
a tough time

and vice versa.

You're there
to lift each other up.

But there has to be
more to the story.

[Rahne] I'm starting
to wonder if Matt

even wants to be friends
with Ben.

Yeah, well, it's sure
starting to look like that.

[music]

♪ Ah, spring ♪

♪ Hey, I just do what I do ♪

[Rahne] Whoo, day two.

Back in the city.

After speaking with B yesterday,
it sure sounds like

Matt could straight-up be over
his friendship with Ben.

We reached out
to their friend, Chase,

who asked us to meet
at her studio.

She says
she has something to share.

You know what I've been
thinking about?

When we were talking with Ben,
there was a lot of "we."

-"We went to college together."
-Yeah.

"We were roommates."

Almost as if they are this unit
or this duo.

-Yeah.
-[Rahne] And it makes me think

maybe Matt just got
to a place where he's like,

"I don't wanna be this duo.
I wanna find my own path."

[Travis] Yeah,
and you know what?

Ben's intentions might be good,

at times it could come across
maybe overbearing.

Absolutely.

I did find it odd
when Ben was saying,

"He won't text me
when he's coming home..."

-Yeah.
-And I'm like...

It almost sounds like
you're dating

just without the romantic side
of your relationship.

Sure. Yeah. The more we talk
to their circle,

we can get a clearer picture
of what's going on here.

♪ It's your girl in the front,
just so you know ♪

♪ This ain't
problem you want ♪

♪ Uh, yeah ♪

♪ Boy, don't even front ♪

♪ You can tell them boys you
roll with whatever you want ♪

♪ But you know and I know this
ain't the problem you want ♪

-[Chase] Hi. How are you?
-Hi.

-How you doing? I'm Rahne.
-Good. How are you?

-[Rahne] Nice to meet you.
-Chase. Nice to meet you guys.

How are you? Good.

-[Travis] Is it okay if we...
-Yeah, come on in.

[Travis] What are you
working on?

[Chase] I'm just working
on a sh**t

and we're organizing
some things.

[Travis] Nice, well, thank you
so much for having us.

Yeah, of course.

Why don't you tell Rahne and I

a little bit about
how you know Ben and Matt.

Yeah, so we all
went to school together.

We actually all
tour guide together...

-Tour guide?
-Cool.

[Chase] Yeah, we toured
the school

and it's been so long now,

but it feels like
just yesterday.

We sat with Ben yesterday

and we were going over
everything in his head

as to why
this could be going on.

-Yeah.
-[Travis] Why do you think

Matt is hiding Ben?

[Chase] Oh, man,
last time I was there,

I saw some of Ben's photos
on his wall in his room.

Then I saw Matt had posted
on his art page

a couple of Ben's photos.

Wait, so Ben was taking photos?

-Yeah. Yes.
-[Travis] And Matt posted them?

Was he trying to pass them
as his own?

[Chase] So I read the comments,

and some of the people
were like,

"Oh, where can I get this?
Whose art is this?"

And there was no credit given.

Yeah, I think Matt is
plagiarizing Ben's photography.

-Now, does Ben know?
-Oh, no.

I'm not sure.

That would make sense
why he's blocked.

Oh, my God.

So you saying that there is
a possibility of plagiarism

leads us to believe
he's blocking him because...

-[Travis] Makes sense.
-It does make sense.

He doesn't want Ben
to find out that he's stealing.

Yes. Exactly.

♪ I'm at the top of the game ♪

♪ I'm the king and
I came here to reign ♪

[Rahne] We just spoke to Chase

who says Matt might be
plagiarizing Ben's photography.

She also suggested we speak
to their friend, Earl,

who was at an event
with Ben and Matt recently

where something went down.

I don't know
what Earl looks like.

[Travis] I don't know either.

This might be him.

Are you Earl?

-Yeah. Hi.
-Hey, Travis.

-[Rahne] Hey, how you doing?
-Hi.

-I'm Rahne.
-Earl, nice to meet you.

[Travis] If you're okay
with all of this

and talking to us,

we'd love to hear
your thoughts on everything.

How long have you
and Ben been friends?

Me and Ben have been friends
for about three years.

And I've only ran into Matt

through little events

where I hang out with Ben
and maybe he brings Matt or...

-Matt kind of tags along.
-[Earl] Mm-hmm.

Why do you think Matt
is hiding Ben?

Honestly, recently
we all went out

to a fashion networking event,

and Ben was...
his goal was to network

and make his way,
find a new job.

Me and Matt tagged along.

Ben was talking to people,
holding conversations,

and I noticed Matt
was just sitting in the corner

and just looking very upset.

And Ben went to the bathroom,

and at that moment, Matt got up

and went to go talk
to one of the executives.

I don't know exactly
what he said.

Just seemed really shady to me.

The worst part about it

was Ben contacting me
two weeks later

and told me that the job he was
talking to the executive about

he didn't get.

[Travis] So it's like Matt
walked up to the executives

and sabotaged
Ben's conversation.

That's what I got from it.

What I think is that Matt
may be jealous of Ben

based off of Matt's artwork
not really going anywhere

and Ben making leaps and bounds,

working for
a major fashion brand.

The success is right there
in his face.

[Earl] Yeah.

[Travis] If this
turned out to be true,

could you see Ben and Matt
just not being friends again?

I just feel like that's
something really hard

to forgive.

[Travis] Yeah, that's
truly stabbing him in the back.

-[Rahne] A little much. Truly.
-Yeah.

Well, thank you so much.

This was very helpful,

and obviously we have a lot
to share with Ben.

-Yeah.
-We really appreciate it.

All right, man.
You have a great day.

-[Rahne] Thank you.
-[Travis] Yeah.

-[Rahne] Oh, my God.
-[Travis] Oh.

[Rahne] It's a great city,

but it is a beast of a city.

And while it might be a place
where dreams do come true,

for a lot of people,
that's not the case.

And if all this is true,

I feel like that would be
the end of the friendship.

This is definitely
a conversation

that we have to have
face to face

because that's gonna be
hard for Ben to hear.

♪ Uh, bright lights
in the big city ♪

♪ Everywhere I go,
the hustle sticks with me ♪

[Travis] We're in the city
that never sleeps,

trying to find out why Ben

is being hidden
by his best friend.

Ben's ready to confront Matt,

so he asked us to meet him near
the gallery where Matt works.

Breaks my heart
to even have to think

about what he's been through,
right?

Sharing that apartment,
walking on egg shells,

not knowing what's going on,

so much to the fact that he
had to call us over here.

Hopefully, we can really get
to the bottom of it.

Yeah, he sent us a pin

and it looks like he's on


Sixty-eight between whatever.

I don't know.
This is Rahne's world.

[Rahne] To figure out
the avenues.

Don't see him yet.

Oh, there's our guy.

-[Travis] What's up, Ben?
-Hey, guys.

-How are you?
-[Travis] How you doing?

-[Travis] Good to see you.
-Good to see you guys.

-[Rahne] How are you?
-A little anxious.

Obviously, when we left you,

we hit the ground running.

And the first person
that we talked to was B.

Okay.

She has noticed a difference in
you and Matt's relationships.

Of course.

So her theory seems to be
that Matt is hiding you

because you went through
a breakup.

It was heartbreaking for you,

and you dumped
a little too much onto Matt.

[bleep]. Damn.

[Travis] Could you see that
being a possibility?

It's weird to hear. It was
definitely hard for me.

I didn't really take it
that well,

but I thought
he was there for me.

I don't know.
It's a little weird to hear.

Again, we don't know
these things for sure,

but after we talked to B,

we met up
with your friend Chase.

She saw Matt posting
your photographs

on his social media
without any credit to you.

So Chase seems to believe
that Matt could be hiding you

because he's plagiarizing
your work.

[Ben] What?

I had no clue. I'm literally
blocked on his socials.

[Rahne] Which is exactly...

I haven't seen any of that.

Is he trying
to make money off of it?

He can make his own money
on his art.

-Yeah.
-Yeah.

Go pursue your own [bleep],
you know?

This isn't the Matt that I was
friends with for five years.

-[Rahne] There is more.
-There's more?

-Unfortunately.
-[Ben] Okay.

So the last person
we met up with was Earl.

And he witnessed you talking
to someone

who might potentially be able
to give you a job.

-[Ben] Right.
-And Matt saw this.

[Rahne] Decided to intervene
after the fact.

And Earl seems to believe

that Matt is trying
to sabotage your career.

He talked to those people
that I was talking to?

-[Rahne] Yes.
-[Travis] And Earl let us know

that you actually didn't end up
getting the job.

Yeah, I was so lost after that.

I was wondering
what had happened.

I thought that I had that
in the bag.

It does make sense, though,

and that's what's scary.

Ultimately, what this
is gonna come down to

is us sitting down

and having a conversation
with you and Matt,

so you can finally get
some answers.

[Ben] Yeah. He's at work.

Can we go pull up on him?

[Travis] Should we
call him first

to make sure
that he's even there?

One sec.

-[Matt] Hello.
-Hey, Matt.

[Matt] Hey, what's up?
I'm in the middle of work.

-You're at work?
-[Matt] Yeah.

Okay, great. Thank you.

I really think we need
to go right to him.

I need to find answers from him
for sure.

-We will follow you.
-We will follow you.

-Let's do it.
-[Ben] Yeah, let's do it.

-[Ben] Should be right up here.
-[Rahne] Okay.

-[Rahne] Right here?
-[Ben] Yep.

[Ben] Yo, Matt. Matt?

-Matt. We need to talk.
-[Matt] Ben.

[Travis] We're in Manhattan

where Ben wants to confront Matt
right now.

So we're rolling up
with our camera crew

to surprise him at the gallery
where he works.

-[Ben] Yo, Matt.
-[Matt] Ben.

-[Matt] Hey.
-[Ben] We need to talk.

-[Ben] It's pretty urgent.
-Okay.

Matt, just to give you
some context, I'm Travis.

-Hi, Travis.
-How you doing? I'm Rahne.

Hi, Rahne. Nice to meet you.

Rahne and I do a show where we
travel around and we help people

who feel like
they're being hidden,

and Ben contacted us,

asking us for our help

because, quite frankly, he feels
like, over the last six months,

you've been hiding him.

So this isn't about...

This isn't the show
that we were doing?

Yeah, so if you're open to it,

we would love
to sit down and talk to you.

I need answers, Matt.

[Travis] I think, for Ben,
he's at a point

where he felt the need
to involve us.

And any time that happens,
I feel like

it's make or break.

Okay, okay. I, I agree.

[Travis] Okay.

[Matt] I can take a break
for a little bit.

We'll go sit down.

You can grab these chairs.

-[Travis] Okay.
-[Rahne] Okay.

Matt, thank you again
for agreeing to do this.

Yeah.

I know that Ben has
a lot of questions,

so with that being said, Ben...

I've just been
definitely very confused.

We're best friends, Matt.

In my head,
this is a brotherhood.

I need answers from you, Matt.

I deserve it.

What's going on?

[Travis] Matt, just to give you
some context,

we sat with Ben, and he gave us
some people to talk to.

The first person
that we talked to was B.

She's seen a marked difference

in the way that you interact
with Ben.

And she believes that you are
hiding Ben and pulling away

because when Ben went through
a heartbreak,

he might've dumped a lot
of that onto you,

and you didn't know
how to respond

or it was a bit too much
for you.

Is that the case?

It was hard when you were
going through that.

If I'm being too much, though,

why wouldn't you tell me?

I just felt like I was
walking on egg shells

around you at some points.

And that was hard,

but it isn't the reason.

[Travis] Okay.

We talked to Ben's friend, Earl.

Earl told us about an event
that Ben was invited to,

and you and Earl
tagged along and went.

Earl did say he witnessed

Ben talking
with these executives,

really schmoozing, connecting,

and when Ben stepped away
to go to the restroom,

you swooped in,
had a conversation.

Fast forward maybe
a couple weeks,

Ben doesn't get
this job opportunity.

So Earl believes

you are jealous of his success

and you were trying
to sabotage his career.

How did that conversation go
with them?

What were you saying to them?

I was just saying
positive things to them

about how you are
a great candidate for the job.

So you didn't say anything bad
about me to them?

No, I don't know what he heard.

I've just been running through
all these theories

in my head of what could be
going down about my best friend.

We share so much together,
we're so connected,

so all of a sudden, to be
so disconnected from all that,

I'm really just, I need answers.

I really need answers
from you, Matt.

I know.

I, for a while, have known

that eventually I was
gonna have to tell you,

but I was looking for a way
to buy some time.

I'm just so [bleep] confused.

What could be so big

that you're trying
to buy time to tell me?

Talk to me, Matt.

Ben, you're my best friend,

and I have been really nervous
to come clean about this.

The reason that I'm hiding you
is...

[music]

[music]

[Ben] What could be so big

that you're trying
to buy time to tell me?

Talk to me, Matt.

[Matt] The reason
that I'm hiding you is...

because I'm seeing your ex,
Mazen.

Okay, so Ben went through
a heartbreak

and confided in you,

and you ended up dating
this person.

Yeah.

I started talking to Mazen

around, I wanna say,
five months ago,

when I had checked back
on my social media account,

my drawing account.

We had done that loyalty test

to see if he was
really in it with you.

When I had saw that Mazen
had responded

to the message that we sent,

I, naturally, just fell into
conversation with him.

You literally saw how hurt
I was after that.

[Matt] I know.

Can I explain?

[Travis] Back up for a second.

What the hell is a loyalty test?

And why were you two
messaging...

You were dating Mazen.

And you wanted him
to message him

from his account?

Was this to see
how Mazen would react

when being approached
by another man?

I don't know.
I guess I wanted insight

on where Mazen's head was at.

-Yeah, you wanted to test him.
-Right.

What did the message say?

It was just like,
"Hey, what are you up to?"

Just casual stuff.

And I eventually saw
that Mazen had responded.

He wasn't in your life anymore.

I don't know. We started
seeing each other.

We started dating casually,

and I have
been seeing him since.

[Ben] You're my best friend.

If you were really into this boy

and you clicked with this boy,

I'm your brother.

If you wanna see somebody,
regardless if I know them,

why wouldn't you just come
tell me?

Because that's not everything.

What else? What else?

[music]

[Matt] Mazen doesn't know
that you're my roommate.

He doesn't know
that we're friends

and that we live together?

No. Did Mazen know

that Matt was your roommate?

I don't think
they ever crossed paths, so...

So you never
brought him around Matt?

No, I guess I was kinda
keeping it to myself,

but Matt knew who he was.

[Travis] That's a lot
of things for you to hide.

You're obviously keeping
this secret from Ben.

You're having to sneak around
in order to date Mazen.

-But also...
-Mazen doesn't even...

Mazen doesn't know

where you live,
who you live with.

Matt, why wouldn't you want
Mazen to know...

Right.

[Travis] That Ben
is your best friend?

I just thought that it might
weird him out.

[Ben] Friends don't do that
to each other, Matt.

I know, Ben.

I am trying to be honest now.

And I want to make it right.

And before you guys
did show up...

He's here.

Mazen?

[Matt] Yeah, Mazen's here.

In the gallery? He's here?

[Matt] I told him to go hide

because I didn't know
who was coming up,

if it was my boss,

if it was you, if it was...

I didn't know the situation.

Where? Go get him.

It's [bleep] weird.

[Rahne] Matt revealed
the real nature

of the show to Mazen,
who agreed to be filmed.

It's [bleep] weird.

[bleep].

-Hello.
-Pull up a chair.

[music]

I think you owe him something,
Matt.

I think you have some stuff
to tell him.

[Matt] I know.

Obviously, you see Ben's here.

I haven't been
completely honest.

I knew about you before we
started seeing each other.

Ben is my roommate
and he's my best friend.

[Mazen] Okay.

[Travis] Matt, do you
wanna tell him

why you initially reached out
with a message?

Yeah, I had reached out to you
on that account

to do a loyalty test for Ben.

- And... Yeah.
-Loyalty test?

While you and Ben were dating,

Ben wanted to see
where you two stood.

And so he wanted
to test your loyalty,

which is why he had Matt
send you a message.

So you both played me?

-It was a level of...
-Deceit.

Deceit, yeah, on both parts.

I feel really bad about it.

I feel shameful about it.

Mazen, what does
your relationship

with Matt look like
as of right now?

Honestly, if you lied
about this,

I'm not sure if you lied
about other stuff too.

-I was genuine.
-How many things?

I was genuine.

How are we supposed to
trust you, moving forward?

I would ask the same thing.

[Matt] I would wanna
talk it out.

To whom? Not to me because
you lied to me, so...

To Ben?

Oh, you lied to him too, so...

So are you done?

I thought we had something,

but it was based on lies, so...

Yes.

Sorry.

Matt, I can tell you have
an immense sense of guilt

and shame right now.

Yeah, it was just lying
to everybody

because I didn't know
what else to say.

If you were uncomfortable

or you were going through
something sticky,

I'd wanna help you
get through that.

I know that now, Ben,
I just... I forgot...

[Ben] We're friends.
I wanna be able

to tackle those things in life
together like we have been.

Nothing is really as bad
as it seems

until you talk it out.

Yeah. I know.

I just need more of that
moving forward, okay?

-I know, Ben.
-Like, please.

I'm fully ready
to give that to you.

I hurt you and I hurt you,

and I'm really, really sorry
about that.

And I wish I could take it back,
but moving forward,

I don't wanna do that
to anybody again.

It does feel good to hear that.

Ben, thank you for trusting us

to come into your world.

Yeah, and, Matt, I wanna say
thank you for sitting down...

-Being honest.
-And having a tough conversation

because I know
it's not easy to do.

All right, well,
we'll get out of your hair.

[Ben] I appreciate
everything, guys.

Nice to meet you.

Yeah, it was so nice
to meet you.

I'm sorry.

♪ Colllisions with the darkness,
wild roads I'm traveling ♪

I love you. I'm so sorry, Ben.

The situation, like...

♪ All the fear, I battled it ♪

Whoo.

I will say Ben took that
a lot better

-than I would have, right?
-A lot of people.

He's understanding
and pretty forgiving,

but I do think that they have

a long road ahead of them,
right,

to rebuild the friendship.

And he's gonna have to earn
Ben's trust again.

Yeah. I'm rooting for them.

But Matt has some atoning to do.

-Yeah.
-And I think that he knows

he messed up,
and there was a level of guilt

that I did see in his face.

How about we get you back to
the sunny skies of LA?

Couldn't have said it better
myself.

[Rahne] I'm gonna stay here,
though. I live here.

♪ Ooh, ooh ooh ooh,
ooh ooh ooh, ooh ooh ♪

♪ Ooh, ooh ooh ooh,
ooh ooh ooh ♪

[Travis] Next time...

I need to meet someone
in your life.

He was looking
for an open relationship.

Maybe you should check out
his boy page.

-What's that?
-Who is this woman?

I'm so pissed.

I broke a nail.
Now I'm really [bleep] pissed.

Why are you hiding me?