01x02 - Dying is Not So Bad

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The question is, what happens when

Helge Fossmo is out of the picture?

Who's leading this congregation

while Helge is in custody?

Let's try to work this out.

We've got Kim Wincent.

He's been a principal since 1982.

Emma Gembäck was a pastor for a while.

She's married to Peter Gembäck.

He's very present in the media

for a while.

That's three pastors

and one more, Johan Grimborg.

And there's Urban Fält.

He takes on a greater role

now that Helge is gone.

- And there's Patrik.

- He's not a pastor.

But he's married to Åsa,

known as the Bride of Christ.

- Everyone says Patrik is important.

- That's right.

But Åsa Waldau, the Bride of Christ,

is the one in charge.

These are the people

who are important now.

Thanks.

Why did you agree to be

interviewed, Peter?

Because I believe

that we learn from history.

I think it's important

that we open this up

and try to understand what happened.

I'm doing this

because it might help someone.

To try to explain

what Knutby was like.

You have a choice,

either to walk away or take part.

An honest and open attempt to give

an explanation, so we can move on.

I was part of an environment

that had secrets.

Why did we choose to lie?

Did we think that we were lying?

To quote Jesus Himself,

"The truth will set you free."

- Emergency 112. How may I help you?

- I don't know.

I just came in here.

There's blood everywhere.

In Knutby.

Shock and despair spread

throughout the little town of Knutby.

The m*rder of a young woman

and attempted m*rder of her neighbor

is in stark contrast

to this quiet, peaceful community.

This is one of the most bizarre criminal

cases in Sweden in modern time.

A web of religion,

sex and cruel, callous m*rder

unprecedented

in the judicial history of Sweden.

Who was the driving force behind this?

It's an important piece of evidence

that has been manipulated.

It creates doubt for the public.

Is this actually what happened?

This is a difficult time,

but we believe in God.

We're not giving up.

PRAY OBEY k*ll

EPISODE 2

DYING IS NOT SO BAD

Helge and Alexandra were going

to start a Bible School in Hong Kong.

I was going to drive them

to Arlanda Airport.

I called to pick them up that morning.

I went inside and I met Alexandra.

And she

Well, it's hard to explain.

I noticed something was wrong.

And then Helge came in.

And he says, "Something happened.

We need to talk."

I was woken up in the night

by the telephone.

I realize something's wrong

because she never usually calls me

in the middle of the night.

She sounds terrified

and she says she's been attacked.

That Sara hit her with a hammer.

Alexandra went to bed.

And hours passed.

I lay on the couch

where I usually slept.

I had received a text message,

"There is a time for k*lling.

There is a time to heal."

After that it said,

"Everything has its time, even this.

Take this time that you've been given."

And I thought, "Does this have

to happen? It's the last thing I want.

But if it has to happen then it

should probably happen now."

And then I do it.

I convince myself that this is right.

This is what I must do.

If I do this, I have proved

that I want to belong to God.

And I hit her.

She says ow and then she wakes up.

And then

I hit her a few more times.

She leaps up and says,

"Sara, what are you doing?"

Helge doesn't say

Sara tries to m*rder her.

He says that Sara went off the rails

and attacked her with a hammer.

I can see

that Alexandra has been crying,

but I didn't notice that she had

any facial injuries at that stage.

As for what Sara did, it was concluded

that she went off the rails.

I don't know exactly

what was said, but

If I remember correctly,

I think that Sara was sent away.

So she was put on a bus.

Sara was sent to live with her dad

in Småland.

We told her that this was not okay.

Alexandra wanted to go to Hong Kong.

That's how we dealt with it.

We thought it was better

not to involve the police

because what would happen then?

Those of us who have read it

know the Bible is full of people

who have been persecuted

for their beliefs.

"Kim Wincent talks about

the incident in November

when Sara hit Alexandra

with a hammer.

This happens just hours

before Helge, Kim, Alexandra

and another congregation member

were leaving for Hong Kong.

Alexandra was fit to travel

even after the attack.

Kim Wincent says everyone agreed

not to report Sara to the police.

They wanted to protect her, somehow."

So what you're saying is, if they hadn't

taken the law into their own hands

and had reported this to the police,

Sara would've been charged with as*ault.

And arrested.

Mm and the Knutby saga

could have ended there.

Yes.

It was on January 10th this year

that the pastor's 23-year-old wife

was m*rder*d

and a 30-year-old man was shot

and injured in Knutby.

A 26-year-old woman,

formerly the children's nanny,

was arrested and detained.

She admitted to the police

that she committed both crimes.

She lived in the victim's home

and is suspected of attacking her

with a hammer last year.

The 26-year old nanny confessed

and was taken into custody,

along with a pastor, who is

the m*rder*d woman's husband.

He's suspected of m*rder

and conspiracy to m*rder.

A woman from Småland

phones and asks

if we're interested in

some phone numbers that she has.

She said that in late September 2003

she had tried calling Sara

on that number,

but the person who answered

was a pastor in the congregation,

who said he had taken

the phone from Sara.

That's when the penny dropped.

Helge had that phone.

Should I start with my little?

I have decided that

I can no longer avoid

this issue with this prepaid phone

and I know that you know

that I've had it since Sara left.

And I would like to explain

why I didn't admit to this earlier.

What happened was,

after Sara had attacked Alexandra

with a hammer,

Patrick and Urban came by and it was

decided that Sara should leave Knutby.

And she did.

She understood

that she would not be shown mercy.

She was, frankly, going to hell.

I found this rather difficult.

I knew that they would not like me

keeping in contact with her.

I told her, "I don't know

if I can have contact with you

when I come home,

because they probably won't allow it."

Then she told me

that her prepaid mobile phone

was still in the house.

We could use it to stay in touch.

I told Patrik and Urban

that I would do as they asked.

I agreed not to contact Sara,

but I found that very hard.

She had lived with us

for over two years.

And we loved her. We didn't want

I didn't want her to fall apart

and that's why we stayed in contact.

Then this m*rder

and attempted m*rder happened

and I was in contact with Sara

even that very morning.

That is to say, when she was carrying

out her crimes, from what I know.

And this terrified me, naturally.

Because I realized then that I might

be implicated in some way

Excuse me.

I realized then that I would

be implicated in this m*rder.

I was terrified that I would end up

in the situation that I'm in now.

So I decided that I would say

that I had no contact with Sara.

If I told anyone

I would be in trouble.

And also

this may sound a little odd,

but any contact with Sara would

lead to a worse reaction in Knutby

than my affair with Anette.

Because Sara was looked upon

as someone

who was doing the devil's work.

And in that case I was

Well, I had joined with evil forces.

We talked to him about taking

over your old SIM card.

Did you and Helge have any plans

to stay in contact, despite all of this?

Did you discuss this before you left?

No, we hadn't decided anything.

But Helge knew more

about the situation.

Even though he was surprised

he could see

that I didn't have

any obvious personal motives.

He was very perplexed by all of this

and he felt bad for Alexandra.

At the same time he could see

how distressed I was.

During this time did you continue

to receive anonymous text messages?

Yes, I did. I received a text message

from Helge that said,

"You got an anonymous

text message.

I'll forward it to you."

That's how I received

the text messages.

The first text message that I received

a few days after this happened said,

"It could have been over in 12 hours.

But it's still not too late for you.

You can still do what you have to do."

Was this a text message

that Helge forwarded to you?

- Yes, it was.

- While he was in Hong Kong?

- Yes.

- Mm.

- But this was one perpetrator's version.

- How do you mean?

Her statements regarding

the text messages

it's possible that they existed,

but we didn't have them.

Sara says that you received

anonymous text messages

that you forwarded

to Sara's phone.

Yes, I've sent text messages

to Sara's phone,

but I neither received nor sent

anonymous text messages.

- And you're sticking to that?

- Yes, I am.

So the messages that she received

on her phone from your phone

- are messages that you sent to her.

- Yes.

"The interrogator asks Sara why

she deletes all of these messages.

Sara says she was worried

when police came to her home."

Exactly, and in a later interrogation

she says that Helge told her

to delete the text messages.

So she changed her story.

We mustn't forget that at this time

it wasn't possible to recover

deleted text messages.

If we are to believe Sara, then Helge

knows these messages don't exist.

He saw her delete them.

Yet when he's interrogated,

he hears the exact words.

The police tell him,

"This is what Sara said."

Helge must have thought

that they found his mobile phone.

I have another question.

Where is this prepaid phone now?

- Don't you have it?

- No.

- Really?

- I'm asking you where it is.

But the police don't have

this prepaid mobile phone.

- But they have the telephone traffic.

- Yes, a crazy amount of traffic.

In less than two months they exchanged

over 2,200 text messages and calls,

an average of 44 per day.

They even had contact

on the night of the m*rder.

We know that Alexandra was shot

in her bed by three g*nshots.

We also know that Helge

is not woken up by this.

- You didn't wake up?

- No.

Because he's sleeping

in the next room.

But we know that Helge is woken up

by a text message from Sara

because he replies to it.

The ringtone volume can be set

to gradually increase.

It gets louder and louder

and then vibrates.

That's indisputable.

Furthermore, we know

that Sara and Helge spoke to each other

minutes before Daniel was shot.

She asks, "Can I call you?"

And I answer yes.

- You're in agreement.

- Fantastic!

In total agreement.

But this doesn't prove

he m*rder*d his wife,

or was involved in

the m*rder of his wife.

It's problematic for Helge that

he was in contact with the person

who shot these two people,

in between the acts.

She calls me up and seems quite

excited or upset.

Or very confused, in any case.

She rambles on about doing

what she was supposed to do.

She believed she had appeased God.

She asked me,

"Didn't Jesus say

These things you should do

without neglecting the others"?

And I said, "Yes, that's right."

And so on.

And she rambled on

about the widow

and the Book of Judges,

"Ask and you shall receive.

Seek and you shall find.

Knock and it will be opened to you."

And so on.

Regarding this phone call,

Sara says that she asked you

if she should knock on the door

or the window.

And you advise her

to knock on the door.

Yes, she's talking about a door,

but it's not Well

I don't agree with you there.

And then the police become

interested in another fact.

Helge has in fact lost a wife before.

His first wife, Heléne,

died in unclear circumstances.

In the same house.

Four years prior to the Knutby case,

Heléne Fossmo died in the same house.

This information came out

in new interrogations.

How could one wife die and then

the second, both in the same house?

If someone is convinced he was

behind the m*rder of his second wife,

then he could be implicated

in the m*rder of his first wife too.

And vice versa.

What could the motive be?

Well, for both cases,

to get rid of a wife.

For a pastor in this congregation,

divorce is not an option.

I'd like to talk about the events

in 1999 regarding Heléne.

At what point did you realize

that Heléne was dead?

I realized it as soon as I picked her up

out of the bathtub.

It's difficult to explain,

but I got no reaction.

She was gone. There was no

There was no life in her body.

This happened in 1999,

a few days before Christmas.

Helge says that he and Heléne

have stomach flu

and that's why

they stay in their bedroom all day.

Helge says that Heléne told him

she was going to take a shower.

- And he went back to sleep.

- That's right.

So Heléne goes to the bathroom here.

A congregation member,

Samuel Frankner, comes by.

- That's right.

- He heard they were sick and visits.

He goes straight into the bedroom.

- Helge wakes up.

- That's right.

They hear running water

and then the chaos begins.

4 YEARS BEFORE ALEXANDRA'S m*rder

Could you tell us in your own words

what happens when Samuel comes in?

Samuel comes I wake up.

He's in the room and talks to me.

He sat up quickly, got out of bed

and went towards the bathroom.

I can see that he's concerned

and I don't understand why,

but he started calling out

her name and

He rattles the door handle.

I think I took the initiative

and ran downstairs where I knew

that I would find some tools.

On my way back up,

I heard him screaming.

When you're knocking on the door

and you can hear water

running in there

what are your thoughts

on what has happened?

I'm afraid that she has drowned

in the bath or something like that.

That she's hurt or It doesn't appear

that she's She doesn't answer

So maybe she's not

conscious.

So I became scared.

Love divine, so great and wonderful.

Deep and mighty, pure, sublime.

Coming from the heart of Jesus.

Just the same through tests of time.

Welcome to

the Kristinehamn Pentecostal Church.

I'd like to tell you about

our congregation here.

We've been here for over 75 years

and that's a long while.

We've continued growing

during this time,

because people like you and me

have come to believe in Jesus

He was an energetic, funny

and happy guy

who liked to joke around

and have fun.

He liked to play pranks on people

and stuff like that.

A young man they remember

as funny and charming.

He also had a strong need

to assert himself

and could have

severe mood swings.

And we saw God's angels there.

They said you mustn't be afraid.

This is the place where Jesus lay

Helge has always been dominant.

We've talked to close friends

who've experienced similar things

with that personality

They say you can't always influence

your children

no matter how much you want to.

That's the way it is.

They came home and said

that they were getting married.

They had already booked

the church and everything.

We didn't know anything.

We felt we had to go along with it.

We had no contact with her

when she was living in Knutby.

When we visited her,

there were always people there.

We were never alone with Heléne

and the children.

There were always people around

as if they were watching us.

We were constantly under observation.

We weren't allowed to come

to their church services

We weren't even told about

the youngest child's baptism.

We weren't told about it.

Family occasions, for instance.

We were never told anything.

They just happened.

But back then, did you ever discuss

these worries with your daughter?

No, I never did,

because it was far too sensitive.

There was never an opportunity.

We were never left alone with her.

That's the way it was.

We talked to her on the phone,

but all the kids were always

running around at the same time.

So we never had the closeness

that we wished we had. Sadly.

It feels like

we lost Heléne twice

First to Knutby and then

when she lost her life there.

So

That's the way it is.

We got a phone call from Helge.

He was screaming down the receiver,

"Heléne is dead! Heléne is dead!"

I think it was the day

after that happened

Helge tells us all that he dreamt

several nights in a row

that Heléne would die.

We were at Åsa and Patrik's house.

Helge had told Åsa earlier.

And Åsa said, "You should

share this with the others."

I was there with a few others

at the time.

He was sitting on the floor

and he told us about this dream.

I think that we believed that this was

some kind of nightmare at first.

And then when this happened,

it was as if the dream confirmed

Well, that the dream

came from God, or

I don't know how we reasoned,

to be honest.

Perhaps God can speak

through dreams.

Was God preparing us for something?

Was he telling us this would happen?

- Like a kind of prophecy?

- Yes, a prophecy.

Like some kind of omen,

or whatever you might call it.

So it was quite frightening actually.

What's going on?

Why is God allowing this to happen?

What I remember of the conversations

at the time, was that he was seen

as a kind of martyr,

a kind of Divine human being.

God is testing him

with all these things.

He was so strong and he must go on.

No one should get in his way,

and he would

As far as I can remember, he was back

on his feet quite quickly again.

We had a Christmas concert

the day after this happened.

He was there,

sitting in the first row.

He and Åsa cleared out

Heléne's wardrobe almost immediately.

They sent

her clothes to a charity shop.

Their bedroom was redecorated

soon after her death.

Åsa had decided that.

Åsa said, "If Helge is to survive this

we need to make changes.

He can't sleep in the room

where his wife just died."

I helped with the wallpaper.

It was a case of moving on, quickly.

That's my memory of his

And I do remember that he cried too.

But that was just after her death.

Father, I love You.

I thank You for being You.

We come to you now

to remember Heléne.

You know all things.

You know everything.

You know the circumstances.

It was like a light went out in a way.

So much more than Heléne

died in that moment.

It was as if

"Hang on, we're in paradise.

What's happening?"

I remember the feeling that

death had moved in to Knutby.

Yes, we talk about longing to come

home and our homeland.

We believe in heaven.

That's part of our Christian faith.

When Heléne died

it was almost as if what

he had described had been fulfilled.

From what I remember, we talked about

heaven being a much better place.

From 1999 to 2004,

death seemed to permeate everything.

Are you so well prepared

that in your heart you can call out,

right here, right now

come and take me home?

And you would not fear it?

I'm not talking about the fear of God.

That fear is good.

I'm not talking about

saying something lightly.

Can you, in your heart, say,

"Come and take me home now?

I would sincerely like to meet Him."

It wasn't, as people have suggested,

that we had a death wish.

That was absolutely not the case.

But if someone died there was

something positive to it.

You left this earth and it was harder

for those left behind.

Dying is not so bad. You go to heaven.

So I think that death became

nothing to fear.

The big question is, Helge,

why all this contact with Sara?

1,200 text messages,

13 hours of phone calls,

in the month of December alone

and only about

Bible quotes and various issues

regarding the Bible?

Her well-being, her future,

what she's going to do

Where she will apply for jobs.

If she would live in Knutby again.

- If she would marry one day.

- But Sara is very specific.

So I have to ask you, Helge,

were you ever aware that

Sara was going to k*ll Alexandra?

No.

You're still receiving text messages

telling you it's not too late.

You're told to finish what

you didn't do the first time.

Do you still feel you must carry it out?

Yes.

And the strange thing is,

I never talked to anyone-

and yet I'm still getting text messages

that reflect exactly what I'm thinking.

Did you talk to Helge about

these thoughts

when you were having

these long conversations?

Yes, I did.

But still, as I see it

You talk about what she says

as if that is the truth

while what I'm saying is lies

and you don't know that.

You just state things,

"It was an anonymous text message."

"According to her", is what I say.

You don't have to comment

Coffee time.

You were present during interviews

with Sara, weren't you?

I was there a lot in order

to certify what Helge said,

to see if I could learn more.

When I was present in the interrogations

with Sara

were very laid back.

They took place in

the psychiatric hospital in Huddinge.

Why was it impossible

for Sara to believe

that Helge was sending her

those text messages?

Because she adored Helge.

Helge was as close as Sara

had ever come to God.

She was in love with

God's right-hand man.

I prayed to God a lot

for our leader Åsa.

And so did Helge.

In the spring of 2001,

it became more intense.

I think that Helge became more

intense in his friendship with me.

He came round to mine

and Jonatan's house, to see me.

I thought it had to do with

our prayer duties.

Everyone in the congregation prayed

for Åsa and the other leaders.

And at that time,

I think that Helge and I

were specially chosen to pray.

But I also noticed that Helge

was interested in me.

He looked at me in a way

that he hadn't done before.

And when we talked

he was very loving towards me.

SARA & JONATAN MARRIED

IN 12 AUGUST 2000

It's been said that Sara and Jonatan

were seen

as the perfect couple for a while,

but why didn't it work out?

Sara and Jonatan were assigned to

each another. Åsa was involved in that.

I don't think they were happy.

Sara at least wasn't.

And then Helge came along

and took Sara for himself.

In the beginning,

it was some kind of

I'm quite sure

he had clear intentions.

This is church lingo,

but we had what we call prayer nights,

which meant that I was awake

until early morning.

Where did Sara sleep during this time?

When she slept,

she slept in the bedroom.

- Together with you?

- Mm.

Alexandra slept in another bed.

After a while maybe,

we decided to make a pact

that was required.

It would be an act of obedience

for God.

And we should have

sexual intercourse.

And I realized then

that I was in love with Helge.

I didn't think this

was fair to Jonatan.

I wondered what was going to happen.

And After a while

We realized

It was actually Helge that

He thought that we would

get married in the future.

Helge and Sara become inseparable

and almost untouchable.

They are on a spiritual level

that we barely understand.

They talk about

a quest for a higher love.

Did anyone suspect they were having

an intimate relationship?

No. That would be

out of the question.

We believed that they were close

in their spiritual quest

Helge said that he needed her there.

However, it appears

that they did discuss the possibility

of a romantic relationship earlier.

He talked to me when

he wanted approval

for his relationship with Sara.

We have some information here.

Patrik Waldau says that,

in the summer of 2002, you told him

that God had said that

Sara would be your wife.

Did you tell Patrik Waldau that God

said that you and Sara would marry?

No, I don't think I said

that God said.

I shared with him

I sometimes wondered

if it might happen.

It seemed to emerge

that Sara would be Helge's new woman.

And then it immediately stopped.

They told people about it,

including me.

It was completely stopped

in its tracks,

because there was no reason why

they should have a relationship.

He's a pastor

and it's unfaithful to say that

he was going to marry someone else.

When it came out,

especially when Åsa found out

it was met with a resounding no.

This won't work. It is totally wrong.

"Helge, go to Alexandra.

Sara, go back to your husband.

This is not okay.

We don't make any exceptions here."

What did Alexandra say about this?

Did she know about it?

No.

You talked to Åsa and Patrik and a few

more people, but never Alexandra?

No, I didn't.

How did you think

you were going to solve this one?

Did the feelings you had

disappear as quickly as they came?

No, not suddenly,

but they disappeared.

So Sara and Helge have

a night-time sexual relationship.

They call it a spiritual quest

for Åsa's sake.

Alexandra has to move downstairs,

out of the bedroom.

As I understand it,

the congregation knows

that she spends nights

in Helge's bedroom.

And they know

that Alexandra is not sleeping there.

She's sleeping downstairs.

- Yes, in this bedroom.

- That's actually Sara's bedroom,

here Helge's wife Alexandra

sleeps more regularly.

Until Anette comes into the picture.

Mistress Anette, yes.

Okay, so you were living

with Alexandra,

Sara and your three children.

But a problem arises,

a new woman comes into the picture.

This creates a problem, obviously.

Well?

Yes.

What was going on in your head

at that point?

How would you solve this situation?

These three women

had slightly different

I'll ignore that what I was doing

was immoral.

I'll be quite frank. These three women

meant different things to me.

Alexandra was more like

a good friend or sister

than a woman you share

your life and bed with.

With Sara, I knew somehow

that it was just a matter of time

before she would have to leave.

This was something

that everyone wanted to end

because they didn't want her there.

Sara was, for the most part,

a mistress

just for sexual pleasure.

Anette was much more than that.

And this meant that

Sara was no longer

as close in that way,

or as important anymore.

I asked Helge,

if Alexandra goes to heaven,

if her life on earth is over,

I asked him if would remarry.

I asked him if he knew

who he would marry.

And then he said

that he'd had a dream.

He had a dream about gravestones.

One particular dream

was about Alexandra's gravestone.

And he dreamt about

another headstone.

And

Then as Daniel would also go

to heaven, according to this dream,

Anette Linde would become

his next wife.

How did you feel when he started

talking about two gravestones?

- This was something new to you?

- Yes

It felt strange.

- Can we take a break?

- Yes.

- Good.

- We can take a break.

At 14:30.

ONE DAY BEFORE THE TRIAL BEGINS

On Friday we confiscated

Sara's telephone again.

We gave it in to a company that can,

with the help of technology,

restore text messages that have

been deleted from the phone,

but are saved on the SIM card.

- The news fell like a bombshell today.

- It's interesting.

I've never heard of deleted messages

being recreated before.

The SIM card analysis gave us

seven recovered text messages.

The fact she could describe

the messages was one thing,

but now we had proof.

The text messages correspond almost

exactly with the nanny's statements.

This could prove crucial

for the nanny's credibility.

And this proves

that Helge had access to that phone

when the text messages arrived.

However, it didn't prove

he had necessarily written them.

December 5. Time, 04:59.38,

"You need to make a decision

and stop wondering about it.

Find a secure solution.

You will prove your love

by freeing him. He needs that."

December 17, 2003. Time, 01:06.18.

"The first is a must.

Do the second out of love.

It has to happen somehow.

Your selflessness would be to

your advantage before Him. You can.

Time is passing

and you cannot put it off.

Don't think so much.

Make your decision

and find a secure solution.

Find your way to peace, like his.

You have to let him know.

Leave him out of it,

but he has reached his limit

and he needs to be seen.

Act before it's too late.

Romans 6:23:

'For the wages of sin is death

but the gift of God is eternal life

in Christ Jesus our Lord.'"

New Year's Eve at 15.21.

"This is not your fault.

There's still time.

For His sake, because He's pleading

for you. It won't be too late.

You must take this to completion now."

What should she take to completion?

Her faith, her conversion, her

She has done nothing but believe

since she was a child.

No, but she didn't believe

that she could receive forgiveness.

You're reading this in a way that

means you interpret it in one way.

- No, Helge.

- Yes, you can't deny that, can you?

- I'm reading it.

- You can't deny that!

I'm reading them the way

Sara did in her statements.

- Yes, of course.

- She recounted those messages

exactly as they were written.

- Yes.

- That's what I'm saying.

But I have not told her to go

and sh**t two people.

She must have interpreted the messages

in a way that she wasn't meant to.

Police in Uppsala

are asking themselves if it's possible

that there were more people

involved in the attacks,

or that others may have

been aware of the m*rder plans.

Summer arrived and it's normal

for most people to take holidays.

Both prosecutors

took their summer holidays

and we had in fact had a long period

of interrogations

that covered just about everything.

So there was nothing more to do.

What are the loose ends

as you see them?

Well, the connection with Åsa.

Did Åsa know anything?

- I love you all so much

- How do you mean?

I had to argue my case for quite some

time to get an interview with Åsa.

I wanted to conduct it simply because

I knew the whole story.

But I wasn't allowed

to conduct that interview.

It went to a then older colleague

who came out of his office

after hours with Åsa and he said,

"Oh, what a fantastic woman!"

And maybe she is. What do I know?

But that's not what

I was interested in.

- What did you want to find out?

- I wanted to know if she was involved.

Could this have happened

beyond her sight?

Without her knowledge?

Is it possible that two members

of the congregation get shot

without her knowing anything about it?

The person who knew everything

about the congregation.