01x08 - Montezuma's Treasure

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Narrator:
Tonight on Beyond Oak Island...

Marty: I was contacted
by a guy in utah.

He believes a group of aztecs

took their treasures and fled.

The treasure could
actually be on my property.

Dan dillman: These tablets lead

to the lost treasure
of the aztecs.

You're not gonna believe this.

- What have we got? - (laughs)

these guys are
telling us the truth.

Nelson: It was a truly
an advanced civilization

with ostentatious displays

of gold and jewels.

Brent: At the
bottom of this ledge,

you think there's a void.

That's the best target
we've seen so far.

Corby: Now that we have proof,
we ought to go dig that up.

If you find this right
out of the sh**t like that,

would you come on out to
oak island and give us a hand?

All the while we
were growing up,

my brother and I were fascinated

with finding treasure.

Rick: Pirate treasure,

cursed treasure.

Civil w*r gold.

- (laughter) -Since then,
our work on oak island

has shown us there's
a world of mysteries...

- Whoa.
- ...Waiting to be explored.

Rick: So, we like to reach
out to other treasure hunters.

X marks the spot,
right there. Brilliant.

- Marty: We want to hear their stories...
- That's right.

- ...And share our insights.
- "ill-gotten gains."

- rick: And who knows...
- Gary: I got it.

...Maybe we can help
them with their search.

Marty: Not only in america.

Wow. That is gold.

Rick: But all over the world.

Marty: Beyond oak island.

Matty: Rick,
I know people approach you and say,

"I have a mystery,
and it's as big

as the oak island mystery."

are you ever tempted to
kind of dive into their situation?

- The little boy inside of me is always saying, "yes."
- right.

The adult in me says,
"wait a minute, whoa.

- "put the brakes on. You've got enough...
- "got our hands full."

- you've got your hands full right here."
- (chuckles)

well, you said it just right.
You have to restrain yourself.

You know, we have the luxury
because of what's happened here,

of people bringing
us these things.

And, um,
some are clearly discardable,

uh, instantly.

Uh, some not so much.

Some are very intriguing
and-and well-researched.

- Yeah.
- You know, people have their own stuff

they're passionate about,
which always rings his bell.

And mine, too.

For instance,
I was contacted very recently

by a guy named corby robertson.

Lives in texas,
but he has a ranch

he recently purchased in utah.

The reason he recently
purchased the ranch

is 'cause he believes there's
a huge aztec treasure there.

- Rick: Huh.
- Aztec treasure in utah?

- Marty: Yes, sir. - Huh.

You have to dive into the
whole spanish conquest

of the aztec empire,
which is an amazing story.

Narrator: In the early 1500s,

spanish sailors headed
to the caribbean in droves,

lured by tales of
boundless riches.

Within just two decades

of christopher
columbus's first voyage,

they had colonized the islands.

But they soon discovered
the rumors of treasures

beyond their wildest dreams were,
in fact,

too good to be true.

The spaniards were after gold,
uh,

but there was not a lot of gold.

And within 25 years,
whatever gold

was on the caribbean
islands was played out.

In the meantime,
there had been little forays

along the mainland of mexico.

And there's where the
reports started coming in.

A great empire and
treasures beyond belief.

Narrator: Stationed
on the island of cuba

was a 34-year-old
spanish captain

who was more than eager to find this great,
rumored treasure.

His name was hernán cortés.

In February 1519,
cortés set sail with 500 men

around the yucatán peninsula
where they made landfall

and then marched
towards tenochtitlan,

in what is now mexico city.

It was the capital of
the great aztec empire,

and when cortés and his soldiers

arrived at the stunning
island metropolis,

they discovered that
the tales of vast riches

that they'd heard about
were absolutely true.

When the spanish stand
on the hill and look out

at this gleaming white
city in the middle of a lake,

they're astonished.

Tenochtitlan was
larger than paris.

It was larger than rome.

And as they get closer and
as they come into the city,

they see that there have
been tremendous advances,

there's tremendous
knowledge in all areas.

In horticulture,
in astronomy, in medicine.

It is a truly
advanced civilization.

But it is also an
incredibly wealthy one,

with ostentatious
displays of gold and jewels

that immediately catch
the eye of the spanish.

Narrator: When the
spanish marched into view,

the aztec emperor
montezuma lavished them

with gifts of gold and
silver in the hopes

that they would be satisfied
and leave them in peace.

(men shouting)

suspecting that there was
even more loot to be found,

cortés had his men pick
apart everything they could find.

Tearing open the palace's walls,

the spaniards discovered
a hidden treasure room.

The wealth of the aztecs

was even greater than
they had ever imagined.

Berdan: Gold was made
into a tremendous variety

of adornments for the,
for the high nobility.

Armbands, leg bands,

nose ornaments, lip ornaments,
parts of headdresses.

We don't know the size
and scope of this treasure,

but it was probably
considerable.

It would have included
huge gold masks,

gold animals
and other artifacts.

So much gold was there
that the spanish were amazed.

Nelson: It's fair to say
that cortés got greedy.

Cortés takes, uh,
montezuma c*ptive.

Montezuma is still,
by all appearances,

in charge of the city,

but he is unable to leave,
is being told what to do

by his spanish captors.

Narrator: Some experts estimate

that the aztec treasure
was worth as much

as three billion
dollars in today's value.

And with a foreign enemy
not only posing a serious threat

to their wealth but
also their leader,

the populace soon
became desperate

to defend their empire.

On the night of June 30, 1520,

the conflict erupted
into a violent rebellion.

Berdan: The spaniards
are under siege in the middle

of a great city,

and the one thing they have,
though, is montezuma.

So they take him out
to the top of the palace,

try to convince him

to convince his
people to stop this.

Nelson: How it happened,
we don't really know.

But a-at some point,
in this conflict,

montezuma is k*lled.

Narrator: With the emperor
montezuma now dead,

the aztec people,
who greatly outnumbered the spanish,

forced cortés and his
army to flee the city.

Cortés was able to safely
make his way to tlaxcala,

some 75 miles to the east.

There,
he would spend nearly a year and half

raising a large force of
allies with the goal of returning

to tenochtitlan and finally
seizing the vast aztec riches.

However,
when he and his militant forces

arrived in 1521
to reclaim the city,

they found that many
of the aztec people

and much of their great
treasure were gone.

So, the theory is that

the aztecs got a
little breathing time.

Cortés was regrouping,
they knew he was coming back,

and so a powerful, wealthy,
connected group of aztecs

took their treasures
and their culture and fled.

And corby thinks
they fled to utah.

Rick: There are a
variety of sources

that indicate that it's very
possible... credible, even...

That the aztec treasure
was moved north.

So, the question then is,
where is it?

You remember when
john o'brien came out

and proposed that
montezuma's treasure

was actually here on oak island.

It's intriguing.

Nobody does all this
work to hide marbles.

Narrator: It was five
years ago that john o'brien,

a historian with more than
three decades of experience

in the mining industry,
shared his incredible theory

with rick,
marty and the oak island team.

We have to figure who
did the work on oak island.

I believe that this was the
work of the aztec empire.

I believe they discovered
palygorskite clay

in the sediment.

To the mesoamericans,
that was worth more than gold.

Narrator: According
to john's theory,

the natural blue clay
that the aztecs so valued

and used to decorate
their temples required them

to travel great distances
in order to obtain it.

In fact,
the actual source of this type of blue clay

has remained a mystery
to archaeologists,

anthropologists and historians

due to the fact that
large natural deposits

cannot be found
anywhere in mesoamerica,

where the aztec
people built their empire.

Hey, rick!

Is this blue clay?

Narrator: However,
one place where it has been found

in large abundance
is on oak island,

where, incredibly,
ancient man-made workings...

Including the
triangle-shaped swamp...

And the massive,
megalithic formation

known as nolan's cross
also represent symbols

that were important
to aztec culture.

The significance of
the south shore shaft

was that was the first shaft

put down to
establish a mine here.

Narrator: Based on
his extensive research,

john o'brien believes
that after fleeing mexico,

a large group of the
surviving aztec people

returned to oak island

with their vast reserves
of gold and jewels.

And in order to keep it from
ever being found by the spanish,

they repurposed their
abandoned mine shaft,

buried valuables and
then booby-trapped it

by engineering the money
pit's infamous flood tunnels.

As intriguing as the idea is,

that the 225-year-old
oak island mystery

could be connected to
the treasure of montezuma

and the aztec empire...

Could it be that
these vast riches

are actually, as treasure
hunter corby robertson believes,

in southern utah?

I want to hear why he
thinks there's aztec treasure

on his property.

Okay, well, let's get him up.

Rick,
why don't you hit the number?

- Hello, corby. You got the w*r room here.
- Hey, guys.

Glad we could get
on the phone together.

Marty: Yeah,
I appreciate you reaching out to us.

So, corby,
the obvious question here is

what attracted
you to this story?

Well, I purchased this ranch,

oh, six, seven years ago now.

It's, uh,
just a magical piece of property.

And I've always
heard of the legend

of montezuma's
treasure being around

the kanab area,
and in particular

johnson canyon,
which is where my ranch is.

Corby: So we've kind
of chuckled about it.

But frankly,
why I'm talking to you is,

you know,
we've uncovered some things recently

that kinda points
that the treasure

could actually be
on my property.

Wow.

So, corby,
the obvious question here is,

is this your first real,
quote-unquote,

bona fide treasure hunt?

This is my first true,
bona fide treasure hunt.

Narrator: Corby robertson
is an entrepreneur

from houston, texas,
who operates multiple businesses

in the energy and
mining industries.

He also has a keen interest

in adventure and history.

I'm a businessman
that's grown up in a family

that has been in the natural
resource space for a long time.

We've had several
mining properties.

Today we have a
silver mine in mexico,

we have a gold property
down in australia.

We have a gold property in utah.

Narrator: In 2013, corby purchased
a sprawling 1,000-acre ranch

in johnson canyon, utah.

The property sits at the base
of a towering sandstone mesa

in the historic desert
community of kanab.

It has also been steeped
in one of the world's

most valuable treasure
mysteries for more than a century.

Corby: We're starting
with some real facts.

The aztecs did have treasure.

There's a lot of
speculation that it could be

outside of kanab,
it could be on our property.

We can find some answers
to some things about this area.

The aztecs and some of the history,
at the end of the day,

is something that
I'd like to find out.

Narrator: Much like
rick and marty lagina,

corby has always been
intrigued by the prospect

of discovering buried treasure.

And, like the laginas,
he has not only the desire

to uncover the truth,
but the means to make it happen.

I don't think there's anybody

with any type of
mining background

that has found pockets of gold,
literally all over the world,

as-as we have.

So if we take some
of the techniques

and some of the
understanding of how to discover

precious metals,
if we take that angle

to our ranch,
maybe it's a new way

to go about finding treasure.

There's some real
intriguing things

that turned me from a
skeptic to actually wondering

if montezuma's treasure
is here on my property,

and some of the evidence
are possibly old aztec symbols

that's carved into our
rock cliffs and cliff walls.

As crazy as it might sound,
corby, one of the theorists

we've had here on
oak island thinks that

montezuma's treasure is here.

And that's why we're
at least familiar with,

you know,
that this gold vanished.

But why don't you tell us:

How'd you get to
where you are now?

I've been working with
a guy named brent judd.

The judd family used to
own this piece of property,

and they spent, you know,
a decade or more

looking for the treasure.

And after talking to brent,

I think there's compelling
enough evidence today

that warrants continuing
on with the judds'

family search for it.

Narrator: Brent judd grew
up with a deep appreciation

for the ranch in kanab, utah,

where his family lived
for several generations.

It's in a gorgeous place.

It's close to the grand canyon,

it's close to zion
and bryce canyon.

World-renowned places.

Kanab is a pioneer place

where our heritage grew up.

Our great-grandparents tried
to hone out of a wild wilderness

a life for themselves.

And they did.

Narrator: During the period

that the judd family
owned the ranch,

they spent a number of
years searching for the missing

treasure of montezuma
and the aztec empire.

I remember following
my father and an uncle,

and digging in a cave
looking for the treasure.

Narrator: But the search for
aztec gold came to an abrupt halt

in the 1980s when brent's
family fell upon hard times

and were forced
to sell the property.

Now, some 40 years later,

with corby robertson's
purchase of the ranch,

brent is thrilled that the
hunt for aztec treasure

is about to resume.

I got brent judd on the line.

- Let's bring him in.
- That sounds good. Hello, brent. -Hi, brent.

- Matty: Hey, brent.
- How are you, guys?

Brent,
we understand you know all about

how this all evolved
and happened,

and we're all eager to hear it.

Well,
I'd love to tell you the story.

One day in the late '70s,

my mother was
sitting in her home

there on corby's property,

and this old green
van pulled up.

And this old guy by the
name of raymond dillman

was in the passenger seat.

And so the dillmans asked
do we have a bull's-eye

anywhere on our property?

And we says, "yeah,
there's one just down the canyon."

he says,
"I believe that montezuma's treasure

- is located on your property.
- Wow.

He's legally blind.

He can see out
the side of his eyes,

and he had a bunch
of papers in his hands.

And these papers
were big poster drawings

that he'd been working
on and studied for...

I don't know, years.

And supposedly these drawings

were off of the peralta stones.

Narrator: First discovered
in the arizona desert in 1949,

the peralta stones
have long been a source

of mystery and fascination
for treasure hunters.

Comprised of five stone tablets,

each engraved
with cryptic symbols,

they are believed to actually
represent a coded map

pointing to the location
of a secret buried treasure.

After conducting extensive
research for nearly two decades,

raymond dillman believed
that he had decoded the map.

Dan dillman: My grandfather's
research into these tablets

had him convinced
and us convinced

that these lead to the
lost treasure of the aztecs,

which happened to be on a
property in johnson canyon

in kanab, utah,
owned by the judd family.

So he marked out a
place on the map in utah,

and he had... my uncles
and him drove for 16 hours

from oakland, california,
straight to kanab, utah.

Brent: Raymond dillman had
interpreted those peralta stones different

than what everybody else did.

And it led him right
to our doorstep.

Narrator: After allowing raymond
dillman to explore their property,

the judds were astonished
that he was able to locate

numerous landmarks
and carved symbols,

including triangles,
that he believed were connected

to the buried aztec treasure.

Paul dillman: My father says,
"well, a quarter mile down

your property is a spiral."

he says,
"on the top of this plateau

"should be a sacrificial altar.

And over here is the horse
carving with three circles."

and judd goes, "you know more
about my property than I do."

my father says, "well,
let's see what else we can find."

so, brent,
of all the evidence you've compiled,

what is the most significant
that would lead you to believe

that montezuma's
treasure is on the ranch?

We found this
wall of petroglyphs

that is just crazy.

It's not the petroglyphs
that you see normally

in southern utah.

So we moved some more dirt,
and we came down the ledge,

and all of a sudden we
found some stick figures

in blue writing.

Well, raymond dillman said

we were gonna find stick figures

in blue writing.

I'm sure you know as
part of your research,

you know that the color blue was very,
very important

to the aztec civilization.

They sought out how
to make that color.

It was that important
to their culture.

Where have I heard
that before? Blue clay?

- Rick: Here on the island, right here.
- Right.

Narrator: Raymond dillman
then revealed another critical piece

of information to the judds
that he claimed to have decoded

from the peralta stones.

Three steps, or levels,
buried in the ground

below these carved
symbols that would lead

to the actual treasure chamber.

He says each step is going to
have an entrance into the cave.

You don't want to
go in the top step.

You don't want to
go in the second step.

You want to go in the third step,
because

the first two are going
to be booby trapped.

Marty: Holy smokes.

Brent: Based upon what
the dillmans showed us,

we decided we were
gonna take these guys up

and we went down
there and started digging.

We took the big
equipment down there,

the backhoes and the
loaders and the cats.

And guess what we found
underneath that bull's-eye?

Step one, step two.

- Wow.
- And then as we were digging,

something round came
running down towards us.

And we thought, "holy crap,

it's a skull."

but it wasn't, it was a pot.

And it had clay in the top.

And when we pulled out the clay,
there was a little item

that was about the
size of a golf ball.

It has a divot on each side.

It's really heavy,
it's really hard,

you can't scratch
it with a file.

We kind of think
it's hardened gold.

We don't know yet.

- Wow.
- And we've moved all this dirt.

These guys are
telling us the truth.

There has got to
be something here.

Narrator: Although brent
judd and members of his family

had uncovered what was
reported to be two of three steps,

or levels, on their property...

That, according to treasure
hunter raymond dillman,

would ultimately lead

to the lost treasure
of the aztec empire...

Before they had
a chance to locate

the third and final level,

the family fell into
financial hardship

and not only had to
cease their search activities

but also sell their property.

And we kind of felt this,
at the time,

that we didn't go deep enough
underneath that bull's-eye.

Anyway,
it was a bad time for us.

Narrator: Thankfully for them,

corby robertson,
the current owner,

shares their passion
for the mystery

and has the resources
to continue the search.

Rick: D-do you have any interest

- in doing geophysical work?
- Corby: Absolutely.

- Okay. - It'd be great

if we can bring out somebody

that had
ground-penetration radar.

- Rick: Great.
- That'd be well worth doing. It's not very expensive.

Absolutely.

Corby: You know,
we'd love to keep

in touch as we come
up with our plans.

Well, we appreciate that
because it's really fascinating.

Uh, you know, I mean,
it would be a two-way street.

We'd be honored to be part of it,
um, for sure.

We appreciate you've
listened to our story

and given us some input.

Hopefully,
we can provide some evidence

that montezuma's treasure
is buried on our ranch.

Marty: Great.

- Keep us in the loop.
- All right.

- Bye, guys.
- Rick: Take care. Thank you very much.

Narrator: One week
after his meeting

with matty blake
and the laginas,

brent judd returns to his
former ranch in kanab, utah

on behalf of corby robertson

to begin the first step
in a new investigation,

attempting to prove that the
lost treasure of montezuma

is really buried there.

Brent: This panel right
up here on the right,

that's the one I
want you to look at.

Narrator: Joining him are
brent's cousin john scribner

and ranch comanager megan hunt,

along with archaeologist
jerry spangler

who has been invited to
provide his expert analysis

of the mysterious symbols
that appear on the property.

Before he commits a
large financial investment

to the search,
corby is hoping that jerry can help prove

that the painted
and carved symbols

might be connected
to the aztec empire.

Have you ever seen this before?

I've never seen this before.
This-this is really impressive.

The rock art images are certainly,
uh, unusual

and not typical of this region.

They're more geometric in shape,

as opposed to realistic
or representational.

You would expect depictions
of bighorn sheep in a row.

Very, very I-interesting.

They don't fit into any
preconceived categories

that archaeologists and
rock art scholars have created.

They didn't look recent, um,

but they didn't have
all the telltale signs

that we would expect to
see in this part of the world.

- All right, let's go check out the bull's-eye.
- All right, let's do it.

Narrator: The bull's-eye

sits directly above the
site where raymond dillman

said the judds would discover
three man-made steps, or levels,

leading to a cavern filled
with montezuma's treasure.

When the judds
conducted excavations here

in the early 1980s,
they unearthed

what appeared to be
two of the three levels.

However, the third,
lower step... if it exists...

Remains hidden somewhere below.

Take a look at that bull's-eye.

Jerry: Yes,
that's quite the image.

We would call that,
in our profession,

a concentric circle.

And the fact that it's by itself

probably means that it
was meant to be seen

for a long period of time,
um, by the people going by.

We don't know what that means.

Uh,
we don't know what the symbol means

to this group that lived
here that made that symbol.

In reference to treasure,

this could potentially mark
something to be noticed.

Jerry: It's certainly
placed there

to draw the viewer's
attention to it.

It's put here for a reason.

It's put here to be seen,
it's put here to be understood.

Megan: I'm super excited
to show you this next one.

Narrator in kanab, utah,

treasure hunters brent judd,
john scribner and megan hunt

are investigating
mysterious symbols

with archaeologist
jerry spangler

on a ranch believed to contain

the vast missing treasure of
montezuma and the aztec empire.

Come on around here.

It's right up here on the wall.

Here's some blue
writing that was left,

I believe,
by montezuma's people.

I've seen different
colors of rock art,

but that blue,
this was interesting.

Well, blue,
blue pictographs are-are not common.

Jerry: The prehistoric peoples
did know how to make blue pigment,

they just didn't do a lot of it.

But this is
particularly striking

because the pigment
is a little different

than the typical blues we see
in the ancestral puebloan world.

I can't tell what that
image is trying to depict.

The people that
came to our place

and said that montezuma's
treasure was here

said that we would find it.

Jerry: I would definitely
say it's not a hoax,

because you've had,
uh, you know,

hundreds of years of erosion
that-that's covered that up.

Narrator: Is it possible
that these painted symbols

were left behind by members
of the ancient aztec empire

marking the site
of a buried treasure

worth billions in
gold and jewels?

While jerry spangler is
convinced that the petroglyphs

were created by people
not indigenous to the area,

he is unable to identify
with certainty just who it was.

It's definitely interesting.

Narrator: For brent judd,
the investigation

now turns in a new direction.

Rather than studying the
unique imagery that exists

above the ground,

he will shift his attention to
what can be detected below it.

Two days later,
having verified that the rock art

and carvings on the property
are of an unknown origin,

- and not native to this region...
- Brent: Just right up here.

...Brent returns to the site
of the so-called bull's-eye

where he and his
family conducted

a large-scale excavation
and discovered what could be

two of the three legendary terraces,
or steps,

that reportedly lead to
a missing aztec treasure.

Brent: I don't think we dug deep
enough underneath that bull's-eye.

I think we need
to dig down further.

So,
that's where I'd like to start.

Narrator: Joining him today
is ranch comanager shay hunt,

as well as geologist allen gontz

and ground-penetrating
radar expert zack zyla.

Who will be conducting
a scan of the area

in the hopes of
locating the third step.

So...

The thought is that there's
a third step under here,

- that there's... First step.
- Brent: The first step's up there.

Gontz: That's the second step,
that little exposed piece there.

Brent: And then the third
step is still buried. Yep.

Allen: Okay.

Perfect.

Okay,
so looks like it's probably time

to dig out the toys and,
uh, go to work.

Mm-hmm. Okay.

Zack: Ready when you are.

All right. Go ahead.

Ground-penetrating radar,
or gpr,

uses radar waves kind
of like they use to-to map

where airplanes are in the sky,

except we sh**t them
down into the earth.

Those radar waves bounce back
every time something changes.

We can stitch together
an image that looks like

you took a backhoe
and dug a trench

right across the landscape
without digging at all.

I'm seeing cross-beds,
I'm seeing the sandstone.

I don't see anything yet
that looks like void space.

Just take it nice and slow
and watch your footing.

Brent: This gpr stuff,

I'd heard a little bit about it,
but I didn't really know much.

And since the time
that I heard about it,

I did a lot of reading,
a little bit of background.

- Right here?
- All right, about-about there.

Brent: I am excited
to see what they find.

Gontz: Keep going,
keep going, keep going.

All right, stop.

- What have we got? - (laughs)

you're not gonna believe this.

So we have this whole
area where we see nothing

- but-but chaotic fill.
- Mm-hmm.

Allen: We've got this whole
series of reflectors that come out...

- Yeah, I see.
- ...That truncate.

Those stop, like,
right, you know...

- Like, right back here.
- Couple feet out.

- Zack: That could be the step.
- That, exactly,

could be the other step.

It's, oh, about five,
six feet down?

Goes out to about there

and then drops
down six to eight feet.

Yeah,
I think we've got another step.

This area right here.

Allen: This could
be the third step.

Narrator: On the ranch
property of corby robertson

in kanab, utah,

treasure hunters brent
judd and shay hunt

along with geologist allen
gontz and gpr expert zack zyla

have just detected an
anomalous underground feature

they hope could be the
third of three terraces

that reportedly lead
to a lost treasure vault

belonging to the
aztec king montezuma.

Allen: I think we should
move over a little bit

to see if we can figure out
what might be the width of this

and find something
that might be void space.

- Zack: Let's give it a shot.
- All right.

Narrator: While the
anomaly may indicate

the presence of the
so-called third step...

Allen: Come to
your right a little bit.

...Allen and zack
continue their survey,

hoping to verify a void,
or cavern.

Allen: All right, stop.

Zack, you're gonna like this.

So,
we're starting to see the cross-beds.

There's this one area where
the reflector gets really broad.

Zack: That's huge.

That's the best target
we've seen so far.

Hey, brent, shay!

Come on over here. We
got something to show you!

You're gonna love it.

Allen: So we just
ran a couple of lines

that's going back and forth
across the front of this face.

When we ran this line that
goes right from about this tree

through where we're
standing along the face

of that sandstone outcrop,
which is right in the area

next to the steps, which,
as you go up the steps,

which is right below
the bull's-eye petroglyph.

That's where we found something.

And-and what we found
is this area right here.

These black-and-white patterns.

This is what you
would expect to see

in cross-bedded sandstone.

And then right below it,
this, which is much wider,

is not what we'd expect to see.

The only way that you
generally get a reflection

that is that different
in terms of its thickness

is if you go from
sediment or rock

- to air. - Open space.

- Brent: There's a void.
- Which means there's the possibility of a void space.

- That's what we're looking for.
- You found the dang entrance.

Possibly. Now keep in mind,
gpr is nonconclusive,

so there are other things
that could cause this.

However, that's the most
common thing that we see on gpr

when we're looking for
caves and void space,

is this very broad reflector
pattern that we see here.

Shay: How big do you think
that air space is? That void?

- Can you tell by that?
- That's something, that's something

we're gonna have to look
at because that's gonna re...

That's gonna take
refining the data.

So, once we process this and
take a look at what we found,

we'll come back and talk
to you with our refined data

and-and show you
what we actually have.

You think corby would let us

come over here
and get this done?

I think he'd join us.

(laughter)

narrator: The following day...

Welcome. Thanks for coming in.

...After processing all
the collected gpr data,

allen gontz gathers with
brent judd and his team

for a final report.

We've got some
really fantastic data.

Some great stuff.

So, this is the line that we
collected that's at the area

that's been referred
to as three steps.

And when we look at the
ground-penetrating radar data,

what we're really looking
for is things that are different.

So that broad upper-right,
lower-left pattern,

broken up by these
strong horizontal patterns,

where you actually have
a sharp break in reflectors

that you can actually,
with your eye,

trace straight across.

That little red area
that we've highlighted,

I think you have a
possibility for something

that might look
like a void space.

This area,

at its highest spot,
is probably about five feet.

Megan: So in your
professional opinion,

off of other data that
you've collected in the past,

could you call this a cave?

I would say it's likely.

It's about ten feet wide from
our best guess right now.

Now,
there's some more refining we can do,

but this pattern,
the fact that we have broken up

the reflectors that
represent the cross-beds

with this thing that's very
different on the inside.

So if this were, say,
rockfall inside of it...

So if you had a
collapsed cave...

You wouldn't see these really nice,
strong

parallel reflections
within this.

You would see this big,
lumpy, bumpy mess.

Wow.

And that's about five feet

from the surface... Or
the bedrock surface?

Well, from the bedrock surface,
it's about five,

and it's about ten from
the ground surface.

- Brent: Oh.
- So you've got about five feet

of sand, gravel,
boulders to go through

before you get the top of rock.

And then below the rock
you've got about another five,

maybe six feet to go to
get to the top of the cave.

Shay: So right here,

you have found not
only the third step,

but you have found something
similar to a void space

which could be a
tunnel to the cliff face,

which would support the
montezuma legend right here.

That's a possibility.

The saga just keeps continuing.

Hope we can give
a conclusion to it

and finally find the treasure.

Does that mean that this is
where montezuma's treasure

is located? No.

Not necessarily.

Does it give us another
piece to build on and go on?

Absolutely.

The voids that they found,

the possible caves,
the possible tunnels,

which I, deep within my core,
knew was there.

The data gives me real hope.

And it's brought all
of that excitement

that I felt 40 years ago

right back to my soul.

- Marty: Hello, gentlemen.
- Brent: Good to talk to you.

Corby: Yeah,
good to see you again.

Marty: What did
you find? Tell us.

Uh,
we decided to bring out somebody

that had
ground-penetration radar.

- Good.
- And I'll be darned, but, uh,

there seems to be a giant cavern

- underneath this bull's-eye.
- Wow.

Matty: Corby, what's next

for you and your team

in terms of trying
to find the treasure?

Now that we have some
proof that there's a cavern,

I think that we ought
to go dig that up,

'cause, I mean,
what if that treasure is there?

Look, if you find this right
out of the sh**t like that,

would you come on
out to oak island please

- and give us a hand? 'cause...
- (laughter)

- that would be appreciated.
- Matty: You guys seem to have

a series of compelling clues
leading you to a conclusion,

a lot like oak island,
but I got to ask you guys directly,

brent, corby,
on a scale of one to ten,

how certain are you that
treasure is on that property?

Eight.

Corby: That's pretty good,
brent.

I'd say eight and a half, so...

- (brent chuckles) - wow.

Corby: You got to be a believer

to, uh, to be a treasure hunter.

80% is a lot higher than
where marty lagina started

- on oak island, so you're off
to the races already, -rick: Yep.

Well, it sounds like you guys
are really onto something.

We're intrigued.

Thanks for your time and
good-good to see you guys.

Great to see you.

Matty: I'll tell you guys,

I mean,
you've got a generational story,

a family searching somewhere,

following a mystery
based on legend.

You've got underground chambers,
uh...

- Sound familiar, matty?
- Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

People showing up saying,
"hey, I got a map,"

is meaningless until
you start finding clues

based on that map and
you-you've got to pay attention.

You find blue clay
based on a theory,

you got to start
paying attention.

You find a medieval
cross... (chuckles)

...Based on rumors
that there was

medieval knights templar here,
you got to start

- paying attention.
- Go with the data.

I tell you another
thing that's gratifying

with those two is that,
uh, you-you think

the... uh, guy, brent,
could be bitter.

- Yes.
- It doesn't sound like that's a happy story.

- Not at all. - Matty: No.

It was a tough time for that family,
I think.

He saw the positive.

And he grabbed the
positive of it. I like that.

- Right.
- Rick: It's a cool story. I'm glad that they involved us.

- Isn't it cool?
- Rick: Yeah, this is fun.

It's got what every
treasure story needs.

- A big reward... - Mm-hmm.

...That gets your juices pumping,
and plausibility.

- That's all it takes.
- Well, a-and it's got historical figures

that rise above the
regular run-of-the-mill.

Montezuma? How... you hear

from when you're knee
high to a grasshopper

- about montezuma. - Yeah.

Hernán cortés?

I mean, a significant figure

in spanish, uh,
exploration history, right?

The will to achieve what
none... No others had done,

- commit his men to an endeavor...
- Yeah, those are the positives,

- but the negatives are... man, there...
- Oh...

Rick: No, look, am I saying...

- Bloodbath.
- Am I saying that it was,

- you know... - Noble? No.

- No. Absolutely not.
- But incredible? Yes.

A-and it's part of history.

And who doesn't want
to understand history?

- All the ingredients.
- Marty: This whole treasure thing

is an insight into human nature,
isn't it?

I mean, you know, why do people,
why did people hike,

you know,
to california in the gold rush?

Why on earth did
they hike to the yukon?

You know,
you read the jack london stories,

- which we also loved. - Mm-hmm.

You know, uh, these people,
you know, would just

drop everything in
search of treasure.

- Yeah.
- Rick: Not just drop everything.

To endure what they endured.

- Y-you...
- Marty: Yeah. Risk everything.

- Not turn back. - Rick: Why?

- In pursuit of fabled riches.
- Yeah.

Why would someone
crawl through a swamp?

- Why would they do that, matty?
- (laughter)

- I don't really...
- Rick: You'll have to ask him that one.

Yeah... no,
you don't have to ask me.

So, you know. Is it plausible?

Sure.

It's possible,
and the reward is gigantic.

Matty: You guys both interested

in keeping track of what
they're doing moving forward?

Oh, absolutely.
No questions about that.

But in terms of keeping track,

we're getting distracted
right now.

Let's-let's go find,
let's go find that aztec gold...

- Go find our own.
- ...Before they do.

- Rick: Exactly.
- Marty: How's that?