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01x03 - Crossroads

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "By Whatever Means Necessary: The Times of Godfather of Harlem". Aired: November 8, 2020.*
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Documentary series examines the story of Harlem, its music during the 1960's and its connections to today.

01x03 - Crossroads

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[suspenseful music]

The failure to pass

a civil rights bill

isn't because of Black Power,

isn't because

of the Student Nonviolent

Coordinating Committee,

is not because of the rebellions

that are occurring

in the major cities.

It is incapability of whites

to deal with their own problems

inside their own communities.

That is the problem

of the failure

of the civil rights bill.

Blow up resistance

No, no

Go up in flames

I'm loaded up in armor

Rise up mighty dread

Fighting for my honor,

not on an empty threat ♪

You're gonna feel this,

my love ♪

Feel this danger

I am the realest, my love,

so follow me ♪



I do pray that God

will give us strength

to do that which is right

and that which is pleasing

in thy fight.

[soft dramatic music]

We are assembled here today

to reaffirm our determination

to gain the right to vote

in Selma and Dallas County

and all over the state

of Alabama.

This courthouse does not

belong to Sheriff Clark;

this courthouse belongs to

the people of Dallas County,

and these are the people

of Dallas County

and they have come to register.

You can turn your back on me,

but you cannot turn your back

upon the idea of justice.

[indistinct shouting]

The Student Nonviolent

Coordinating Committee

has a statement.

We're marching today to

dramatize to the nation,

dramatize to the world,

that hundreds and thousands

of n*gro citizens of Alabama,

but particularly here

in the Blytheville area,

denied the right to vote.

We will have no marches

in Selma.

This thing keeps growing

and growing out of proportion,

and it has got to stop.

This march will not

continue.

See that they turn around

and disperse.

[indistinct shouting]

[police whistle blows]

At that time,

it was very difficult

not to hate white people.

Blacks being beaten

by state troopers.

The feeling of having no control

was just the way that we lived.

[somber music]



King's answer:

another march.

Same town: Selma.

Same destination: Montgomery.

We have the right

to walk the highway.

We have the right to walk

to Montgomery

if our feet can get us there.

[applause]

And, says King,

he'll lead it himself.

[indistinct singing]

[solemn music]

It was all over TV.

When I saw the beatings that

happened on that bridge,

I was appalled, right?

But it also made me think about

the times that I was attacked.

It made me angry, and I wanted

to do something about it.

[fanfare]

The events in Selma have

been brought to a cl*max.

In New York's Harlem,

more than 15,000,

half of them white,

file somberly

through the streets

in quiet but agonized protest.

We had marches and rallies

and demonstrations

up here in Harlem on that.

No doubt about it.

This is not an isolated

experience.

This was something

that is common.

It's happening to all of us

no matter what community

we're coming from.

So we have to kind of unify

on this.

[bus engine turns over]

Young people went down

out of the New York area,

came out of Harlem.



My goodness.

[chuckles]

Here we are again, huh?

Again is the right word, Herb.

Yeah.

You are a distinguished,

well-decorated veteran

of the Korean w*r.

How does that hit you

in terms of some of the other

activities at that time?

Yes.

In the whole march

in Selma to Montgomery.

When I saw Bloody Sunday,

I said,

"I've never seen this type

of bravery in Korea."

Mm.

It was a image

that I would never forget.

And Percy Sutton said that

Andrew Young and John Lewis,

they wanted me to march

from Selma to Montgomery.

And I said, "Percy,

I love you like a brother.

"It really doesn't make

any sense for me

"at this stage of my life

"to get k*lled down there

by a bunch of crackers.

This don't make any sense."

And I asked this

to John Lewis once.

"If we got k*lled in Selma,

what could I say I died for?"

And he would say that

"You say you died for trying

to make life better."

I was trying to make

a difference.

It's a good feeling, Herb.

Yes.

And the truth of the story

was for 54 miles,

I cussed every damn step

of the way.

[chuckles]

We shall overcome

someday ♪

All right, come on.

Put it there.

It's a rebel flag.

Does that ruin it for you,

n*gg*r*s?

Are you gonna take part

in this march tomorrow?

Yes.

We would've taken part in it

sooner--or I would've.

But uh, that's why

I'm down here.

International media spun it

all over the world

and gave a world view

of what was going on

in Selma and Montgomery.

Dr. King had requested

that I organize

as many artists

as were available

to come down to perform tonight:

Sammy Davis Jr.,

Odetta, Ossie Davis,

Mr. Tony Perkins,

Miss Shelley Winters,

Mr. Leonard Bernstein

Yes?

Many, many people.

[cheers and applause]

I just want to say to you

how much we are indebted

to my friend, Harry Belafonte,

and to all of the other

distinguished

and famous artists

and entertainers

as we march on the state capitol

tomorrow morning.

Belafonte was in

the struggle a long time

supporting Dr. King

financially and in other ways,

but he was able to pull

one of the most

magnificent concerts together--

[snaps finger]

in that kind of notice.

And what media tend

to not want to show

is this natural alliance

between Black and whites

just on the basis

of ethical moral principles

of life.

They had been doing it

all along.

That was just the moment

we saw them all come together.

'Cause it was an emergency.

People had been beaten,

people were in the hospital,

people had been k*lled.

But that concert raised money

to get people out of jail,

it raised money for lawyers,

it raised money

for hospital bills,

it raised money to keep

going forward

with voter registration.

[lively jazz music]

It was a time that you had

both jazz

as an important statement

plus you had Black

folk performers,

Harry Belafonte

as part of that,

who were taking

political positions.

Nina kind of crosses over both.

Everybody knows

about Mississippi, goddam ♪

When Nina Simone wrote

"Mississippi Goddam,"

oh, she just couldn't take it

no more.

She couldn't take it.

'Cause nobody was writing songs

like that.

She knew it wasn't gonna get

a radio play.

She knew it might not be

a big hit.

She didn't care.

She had to express

the way she felt.

Alabama got me so upset ♪

Selma made me lose my rest

Everybody knows about

Mississippi goddam ♪

The first time I heard it,

I couldn't believe

she said it.

It was thrilling and everybody

in the audience

was like, [gasps].

In the '60s,

you just didn't say

those things out loud.

Well, that's just

the trouble ♪

"Do it slow"

Washing the windows

"Do it slow"

Picking the cotton

"Do it slow"

We're nothing but rotten

"Do it slow"

And she did that

in the South, you know?

And we were kind of, like,

nervous about it.

When you get close like that

and you can't escape,

then that's when

the trouble starts.

Just try to do

your very best ♪

Stand up, be counted

with all the rest ♪

Nina was always out in front

in racial protest and whatnot.

How can you be an artist

and not reflect the times?

That, to me, is the definition

of an artist.

[Nina Simone singing

"Mississippi Goddam"]

And at this crucial time

in our lives,

when everything is

so desperate,

when every day is a matter

of survival,

I don't think you can help

but be involved.

I will never forget

"Mississippi Goddam."

Oh, yeah.

And I got a chance

to see Nina Simone do it live.

Earth-shaking.

I saw Nina Simone perform

every time she came

to New York.

Every time.

Every time going

to her concerts,

hair would stand up on my arms.

Just the anticipation of what

I was getting ready to see.

She was phenomenal.

You don't have

to live next to me ♪

Just give me my equality

Everybody knows

about Mississippi ♪

Everybody knows

about Alabama ♪

Everybody knows about

Mississippi goddam! ♪

That's it!

[applause]

It's a surge of brightness

that we can see

throughout all the gloom

and despair

that our people have

encountered.

We look to the music

to do that for us.

And if it's connected with

a very vibrant community

that's open and accessible,

culture and the politics

come together.

[laid-back music]

That's what was happening

in Harlem in the 1960s,

is you move from one genre,

one location, one culture,

to the next.

[percussive Latin music]

[all singing in Spanish]

Of the almost 900,000 Puerto

Ricans in the United States,

more than 600,000 live in

New York City in El Barrio--

Spanish Harlem.

[soft dramatic music]



The Barrio, or Spanish

Harlem, had tenement buildings

that had seen successive waves

of immigrants

and were falling apart.

Gates on the windows,

the garbage was never picked up

so there was piles of just

disgusting garbage

in the alleyways

with putrid pools of water,

mosquitos, rats.

But you also had kids

playing scully and hopscotch

and double dutch.

I don't remember

everything negative.

It was an exciting place

to grow up.

We had the absence of TV.

We had no cell phones.

Our pleasures came

from the streets of New York.

We played kickball, checkers.

We opened up the pump in

the summer just to get cool.

We didn't have

air conditioning.

[car horn honks]

We went to the roof and sit

out there and bask in the sun.

Most roofs in East Harlem

at that time

were covered with tar,

so in the summer,

it would bake.

And you would actually get stuck

in it like peanut butter.

So it was "Tar Beach" to us.

[chuckles]

I know this is gonna

sound ridiculous

because sometimes we wax

nostalgic about the old days,

but I can honestly say

I loved East Harlem.

I loved growing up there.

First of all,

music was everywhere.

[indistinct distorted chatter]

[upbeat music]

At that age,

we were glued to the radio.

On Saturday morning when they

played the hit parade--

what were the top ten songs

of the week?

The only hitch to that--

that most of those artists

were Anglo, right?

So you had Doris Day,

you had Patti Page,

you had Perry Como.

Sammy Davis would come on

occasionally,

and that was a big thing

for us.

And then one day,

as you turned the dial

all the way down

to the end of the radio band,

there came on a Black station

and they were playing this music

that we had never heard before.

It's rhythm and blues.

And we said, "Wow."

We could identify with that.

And of course, then we started

getting groups together,

doing harmony, and that led

to one thing after another.

[improvised percussive music]

The guys used to get garbage

cans and pull them over

and, like, bang on the garbage

cans making a racket.

One of the guys that was

into music,

his name was Bataan.

I remember throwing sh*t out

the window at Bataan.

[chuckles]

Oh, yes. Everybody knew me

in the neighborhood--

my reputation stretched

from 125th to 86th Street.

Somebody said that Joe Bataan

is the Sugar Ray Leonard

of East Harlem

because I had a reputation

that you and I would fight

one-on-one, mano a mano.

And I did a lot of that.

[singing indistinctly]

In the streets,

almost anything can happen.

It's supposed to be

the toughest neighborhood

in New York.

There were always gangs

and each part of

the neighborhood

considered to be their turf.

The Chanters, the Demons,

the Viceroys.

[jazz music]

And then one day,

25 youngsters surrounded me.



One-on-one,

I could take care of myself.

But when there's 25 guys

with bats and chains,

you have to have

second thoughts,

and the first thought

you would have

is to get out of there.

That was time for me

to join a g*ng of my own,

and that's when I joined

the Dragons.

[speaking Spanish]

You know,

the g*ng with the Dragons

was predominantly

Puerto Rican,

so it was taken for granted

that I was Puerto Rican.

[chuckles]

At that time,

there weren't many Filipinos

living in the neighborhood,

you know?

We were in the minority.

In order to survive

you had to communicate,

and to communicate,

I had to learn the language.

I had to learn the customs.

You know? I mean,

I was Asian, I was Black,

but my heart was always Latin.

Though the neighborhood

might've been

predominantly Puerto Rican,

there was still a very large

African American presence

and then there was a sub-part

of that neighborhood

which was exclusively

Italian American.

And Mob-connected.

You know, it's like out of

"West Side Story" or some stuff.

You didn't mess with the folks

in that little Italian enclave.

As the Sicilians moved to

East Harlem for cheaper rents,

we moved with them because

we made money with them.

They were doing bathtub gin,

and we were the runners.

Puerto Ricans.

[police sirens wailing]

Me being in a g*ng,

I thought after a while

I could do anything

that I wanted to do

until I was caught

breaking the law,

and then I was sent away.

When you have a number and they

started calling you 12173,

then the reality starts

to click in.

[peaceful jazz music]



[scatting]

I was so excited about being

in New York.

I mean, New York was

the mecca for jazz.

I was the roommate

of Donald Byrd,

the leader of the band that

I was primarily playing with.

Donald was the person

that encouraged me

to make my own first album.

He said,

"People don't know you yet.

"Half the record can be,

of course, your tunes.

" But the other half have

to be the songs

that help sell the record."

That's either a cover tune

or a blues.

I'm from Chicago.

If I can't write a blues,

then I should hand in

my Chicago card.

[chuckling]

So.

[peaceful jazz music]

It's the Blackness,

it's the ethnicity

that somehow touches

people's hearts.

I've heard songs

about chain g*ng

and about, you know,

cotton fields

and things like that.

I'm from Chicago.

There's no cotton fields there.

Let me find something that's

truly ethnic in my background.

And the biggest figure

that I could think of

was the watermelon man.

He would go through the

cobblestone alleys of Chicago

in his horse-drawn wagon.

And they had a little song.

Water-mellow

Red, ripe watermelon

But then I started to think.

The women off of their

back porch go,

"Hey, watermelon man!"

So I decided to write,

Hey, watermelon man

[jazz music]



Some Black friends,

they said,

"You're not gonna call it that,

are you?"

There were these images of,

like, a black face

with eyes that were big

and white,

ruby-red lips, picaninny hair.

And eating a watermelon.

[jazz music]

Black people were

trying to, like,

not associate with that image.

Black people didn't go

to white neighborhoods

to buy watermelons

even though they were

sold there.

'Cause you'd have to go

to the counter

with your Black face

and a watermelon

in your basket and it--

[stutters]

it was embarrassing.

Which it should not have been.

I was thinking about how we as

Black people look at ourselves

and look at our heritage,

look at our culture.

I'm very proud of standing

by my g*ns

and calling it

"Watermelon Man."

[jazz music]

I had gotten a call

from someone

in Mongo Santamaría's band.

Mongo was a extremely gifted,

powerful,

and legendary conguero.

Like, with conga drums.

And he was from Cuba.

He had been looking

for a bridge

between Latin

and African American music.

[jazz music]

Donald said, "Hey, Herbie.

Play 'Watermelon Man.'"

So I started playing it,

and Mongo got up

and he got on his conga drums

and it just fit perfectly.

And so Mongo asked,

he said, "Can I record this?"

I said, "Absolutely."

[applause]

[Herbie Hancock's

"Watermelon Man"]

Watermelon Man

You know, a few weeks ago,

Bob Mersey of Columbia Records

played me an advanced album

recorded by a new,

exciting jazz group.

[applause]

The Mongo Santamaría band.

[applause]



[applause]

Mongo recorded

"Watermelon Man,"

and it sold I don't know

how many thousands of--

you know, it was a hit.

It took off.

I was just coming out

of the joint, of course.

And that was another key spot

for me

because while I was attempting

to play Latin music,

I was seeing this national

exposure on American stations.

And that was like hope.

It was, I guess,

'63 going towards '64.

I walked into William Ettinger

Junior High School

on 106th Street.

I asked them,

"Could I use the piano?"

I wanted to practice

on the piano after work.

And I guess his thinking was,

"Well, if I keep this guy

in the auditorium,

"things will be safer

on the outside.

He wouldn't be running around

in the streets," you know?

So he let me use the place

every day.

And like clockwork, 7:00 I was

there till 10:00 at night.

And one day, I went there

and the place was occupied

by these young kids.

Couldn't have been no more

than 12, 13, 14 years, tops.

And they were playing, and

they had holes in their horns,

a beat-up drum.

And I got to brainstorming.

I said, "Wait a minute.

These guys don't have

a piano player."

So I took out my knife and I

stuck it into the grand piano

and I said,

"I'm the leader of this band."

Because my reputation,

nobody said no to me.

And I had to go and explain

to the parents.

"Look, I'm not that guy

anymore, you know?

"I'm playing music.

This is what I wanna do.

"And if you trust me,

"I will bring your boys

to a height

that they've never seen

before."

[energetic Latin music]



I heard a song one day,

and the guy was doing

Latin music

but he was singing in English.

And I said, "You know what?

I'm gonna learn this new sound."

The old people,

they were listening

to people like Tito Rodriguez

and they were listening

to love songs.

Tito Puente, Eddie Palmieri.

You would go to clubs

in Harlem

or downtown to places

like the Palladium

so that you could dance.

[energetic Latin music]

But people didn't want

to listen

to what their parents

were playing.

They wanted to spread

their wings;

they wanted to know

something different.

They wanted to have music

that was identifiable with them

and their time and their life,

and of course, the boogaloo was

made to order

for that generation,

and the rest was history.

[energetic Latin music]



The boogaloo is this

incredible blending

of Latin music and soul music.

Blending cultures,

blending rhythms,

out on the dance floor.

You cannot separate the music

from the dances that people

were doing to that music.

[energetic Latin music]

So when you talk about

Latin boogaloo,

we were doing the boogaloo.

That came out of Blacks

and Puerto Ricans

dancing together

to the same music.

The boogaloo was, like, the

hottest thing since the twist.

Everywhere you went,

the dance floors

were filled with kids doing

the boogaloo.

And you had groups that were

definitely crossover groups.

Joe Cuba, of course,

with "Bang! Bang!"

all: Bang! Bang!

Everybody now!

Sing it, everybody!

all: Bang! Bang!

Jimmy Sabater was

at a dance,

and there was

a Black audience.

They said, "Well,

let's start doing something.

"They're not dancing to this

Latin stuff that we playing.

I got an idea. Try this.

Bang! Bang!"

And then everybody

started repeating

what they were saying.

all:

Bang! Bang!

Beep, beep! Ahh, beep, beep!

Ahh--

Beep, beep.

Ahh, she freaks ♪

Ah, bang, bang.

You know.

We were used to this

call-and-response stuff.

Everybody now!

Sing it, everybody!

all:

Bang! Bang!

[vocalizing]

all:

Bang! Bang!

[vocalizing]

That was the secret

with a lot of songs back then.

If you had a hook that you could

get the public to pulsate with,

then you arrive

and had something.

Next thing,

it was a national hit

played all over the country.

Corn bread, hog maw

and chitling ♪

Corn bread

Oh, cuchí, cuchí,

cuchí, cuchí! ♪

Corn bread,

hog maws and chitlings ♪

Corn bread

Lechón!

Lechón! ♪

[chuckling]

Lechón, lechón. Yeah.

But you gotta understand,

those guys--

and I'm still in that vein--

were Harlemites that were

Latinos but with Black blood.

So he's mashing up all

of that soul food,

that Black soul food and that

Puerto Rican soul food.

It's the musical

representations

of how those cultures bridged,

you know?

It just represented

what we understood

our life experience was

in New York,

especially in Harlem between

El Barrio and West Harlem.

So we said,

"We gotta do that, too."

So we came up with a boogaloo

beat, but we had no lyrics.

[Joe Bataan's "Gypsy Woman"]

The singer,

he had a heavy accent

that just didn't fit with

the boogaloo at that time.

I had a Curtis Mayfield

songbook in front of me

and I said, "Look, why don't

you do it like this, George?"

Some come from nowhere

through a caravan ♪

Gypsy woman

They come from sunlight

to moonlight ♪

To see my gypsy in motion

Gypsy woman

With lips so red

you could bite ♪

He said, "You know so much,

why don't you do it yourself?"

So I wrote different words

to it.

It's completely different

in "Gypsy Woman."

She was my gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

When we went

into the studio,

I was so nervous

at that recording,

I forgot the lyrics.

The lyrics that came to my head

was "Gypsy Woman,"

Curtis Mayfield's words.

Gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

She smoke, ha-ha-ha!

She smoke, ha-ha-ha! ♪

A lot of boogaloo songs

were using hooks, you know?

So we said, "She smokes."

Actually, we said,

"She smokes pot."

Right? Well, they said,

"You can't do that."

You know, of course, when we

did it live, we said it.

We were a young generation,

and we had no fear.

And I sit next to Bataan

one day and he said,

"I'm gonna be famous, Nisie.

I'm gonna write my autograph

on your jeans."

And I had a pair of jeans

that were signed

by Joe Bataan for years.

I think we gave everybody

dimes around the neighborhood

to call in and request

the song,

and one of the DJs remarked

on the radio at that time,

he said, "Look, tell Joe Bataan

"to tell his friends

to stop calling.

"The song is a hit.

"He doesn't need

to call anymore.

Everybody's calling for him."

Gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

Gypsy woman

"Gypsy Woman" became

an anthem, you know,

for East Harlem.

To see and realize

our dream coming true

with our neighborhood finally

knowing that we did something

was, like, unheard of.

We were like the Jackson 5

of New York at that time.

Fire!

[percussive musical flourish]

Boogaloo became the marriage

of Blacks and Puerto Ricans.

While they were not political,

they were important in the

formation of a new culture--

a Nuyorican culture.

It's the beginning of what

people may define as Nuyorican.

You know, as being

fundamentally Puerto Rican

with the experience of being

born or raised in New York.

And boogaloo was

the expression

of the Nuyorican identity.

Culture is the spear tip

of revolution.

[reflective music]

Nobody comes to this country

because they just want

to leave their country.

Nobody comes to this country

just to--

you know, "We want to party."

The only reason immigrants come

is to make a better lives for

themselves and their family.

Puerto Ricans came in because

there was such poverty.

Corruption was rampant,

food was scarce.

My grandmother says she

remembers not eating for days.

She couldn't take it anymore

in Puerto Rico,

and they ended up

in the cities of New York.

New York was the shining city

on the hill.

When you look at Harlem

and people moving there,

they're trying to find a space

for themselves

where they can be treated well

and treated with respect.

I can never really

separate out

Black and Puerto Rican-ness

in Harlem.

It was no different.

We went through the same racism

and turmoil.

Police are there

in our community

not to promote our welfare

or for our security

or our safety,

but they're there

to contain us,

to brutalize us,

to m*rder us.

[all chanting]

The Black Panthers

became very prominent then

because they understood

what time it was.

Racists down here

said that SNCC

has been run out

of the Black community.

We're here, baby,

and this is where we gon' stay.

You better get yourselves

some g*ns, brother.

Being aware of Stokely

Carmichael and H. Rap Brown

and what was going on

in the Black community,

that was a part

of our political consciousness,

trying to understand

this country

and how it moves

against people.

[tense music]

One the home front, it was

a long, hot, riotous summer.

The streets belong to us!

Civil rights protests

blossomed

into full-fledged riots

that bordered on anarchy.

In 1967, there were over 100

riots that summer.

Get your hands up

and don't move!

We had the riot of Newark,

which was incredible,

in which Black people

shot back.

[g*nf*re]

We had the riots of Chicago.

We had the riots of Detroit,

which was horrible.

In the Motor City,

it took federal troops

to bring the disorder

to an end.

It was the largest uprising

ever, and I witnessed it

from the ninth floor

of the Leland House.

There were armed guards in

front of our particular hotel

and automobiles burning.

It was just mayhem.

It felt like the end

of the world.

And I started to understand

that this was the moment

that things would turn--

that acknowledgement

had to happen.

There is no violent solution

to the problem that the n*gro

confronts in this country,

but I do understand

the sociological,

the psychological,

and the economic reasons

why Negroes,

out of desperation, engage in

this kind of suicidal action.

That was probably

the most riots ever

across America

up to that point.

But one that was significant

was one that happened

in East Harlem

in the Puerto Rican community

where a young man was k*lled

by the police.

[overlapping chatter]

Mr. Mayor, would you agree

with the statement?

Wait a minute.

One at a time. The lady first.

Would you agree

with the statement

that this disturbance--

that it has nothing

to do with civil rights

but rather is a surfacing of

so-called criminal elements?

There is a virus.

The chief virus here

is deterioration and decay,

oppression sometimes,

discrimination,

and a feeling of hopelessness.

It was a community response

to police brutality.

For the first time,

East Harlem was

on the national news.

To see what was happening,

I mean the fires--

I could smell--it was acrid,

the smoke.

It was all over.

I don't think anybody

disagrees

that there must be

law and order,

but I think that what the

Black people are protesting

is that there is not

law and order.

It's only when a little

personal property

becomes involved.

Then we get concerned

about law and order.

But when it's human rights,

they aren't talking about

"let's have law and order"

then.

Political consciousness

is a process.

So our understanding of racism

really has to expand to

include all peoples of color.

[somber music]

Revolutionary culture says

at the cost of your life,

it's important to rebel.

At the cost of your life,

it's important to create

a future for your children.

This riot caused a shift

in the consciousness

of Puerto Ricans

and the community.

And I think the Puerto Rican

community began at that point

to organize--seriously organize.

Hanging out with Black

revolutionaries in those days,

you had to understand

the fervor.

There was a fervor.

You just were not afraid.

And I was ready to roll.

I was ready for armed struggle.

Rap Brown says to me,

"You have to organize

the Puerto Rican community."

Rap believed,

as the Panthers did,

rather than talk about unity,

go to the community

that you come from,

that you were born in,

and organize them.

You've gotta be there

with the people.

Because there was a lot

of internationalism

that was playing out

in Harlem at the time

from Puerto Rico,

from the Dominican Republic,

from various African

nations,

it was this incredible kind

of bubbling synergy

that was happening

around political ideas.

But then you also have people

coming through in the 1960s

like white popular musicians.

[rock and roll music]

3,000 screaming teenagers

are at New York's

Kennedy Airport

to greet--you guessed it--

the Beatles.

I remember when

the Beatles came.

America lost its mind.

First of all, everybody was

saying, "Go get a haircut!"

I didn't understand what all

of the big deal was.

I heard a copy

of American music.

That's what I heard.

When I first heard

the Beatles,

I thought they were Black.

[rock and roll music]

They were a heavy

imitation

of African American

rhythm and blues.

And they'll tell you they

took the music that they heard

from communities of color

in this country.

They were listening

to Jimmy Reed

and Muddy Waters

just like we were.

Everybody does that.

That's called music.

[chuckles]

I thought it was not only cool

and proper,

but the right thing

for young musicians in the UK

to be influenced

by Black music.

Even if you're

writing music

that is specifically geared

towards a group of people,

you still want others to hear it

so that they empathize.

That's the importance

of this type of poetry.

But a lot of other

American artists

like Elvis would use

the Black music

but not acknowledge

the relationship

to the body of music.

The Beatles didn't do that;

the Rolling Stones

didn't do that.

They acknowledged that

there's a merger of our music

with the African American

ethnic music,

and they created a sound that

African Americans can dance to

and not have a problem

with it.

Otis was probably,

out of all those people,

the one that everyone

could relate to.

Great performer.

A lot of energy.

There's some other wonderful

people before him.

Bobby "Blue" Bland,

Garnet Mimms,

a lot of those people

at Motown.

Marvin Gaye.

It was a music that probably

did the most

in the history of music

in America

for crossover in terms of how

the listener

were perceiving

the ethnic music

than any Black artist was

able to do.

The Beatles, the Rolling

Stones, and all of them,

I had not too much to do

with them personally,

it was just--

I felt they were usurping

money and time and energy

that should have been given

to us because we started this.

But this country just

cannot give it to us.

They would rather give it to

some foreign group of musicians

than to give it to musicians

who live, maybe, in your city.

[g*nf*re]

The news tonight,

despite an official denial,

is of a significant escalation

of the w*r in Vietnam.

[dramatic music]

We have made a

national pledge

to help South Vietnam defend

its independence.

And I intend to keep

that promise.

In terms of what's happening

to our sisters and brothers

they're dying unnecessarily,

so with the protest songs,

we can't ignore that.

People were singing about

the w*r in Vietnam,

and protests began to increase.

We fight because

we must fight

if we're to live in a world

where every country

can shape its own destiny.

[students chanting]

Hey, hey, LBJ!

How many kids have

you k*lled today?

Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids

have you k*lled today?

How can white people,

who are the majority

and who are responsible

for making democracy work,

make it work?

They have miserably failed

to this point.

They have never made

democracy work,

be it inside the United States,

Vietnam, South Africa,

the Philippines,

South America, Puerto Rico.

Wherever America has been,

she has not been able

to make democracy work.

We see this country trying

to rule the world,

and someone must stand up

and start articulating

that this country is not God

and cannot rule the world.

[cheers and applause]

You're telling me that

the Vietnam w*r

is to protect freedom

and democracy?

We cannot even sit

in lunch counters.

We cannot even ride

in the front seat of buses.

We can't even vote.

Why are we gonna fight

this w*r?

This is a contradiction we were

not prepared to tolerate.

So the Student Nonviolent

Coordinating Committee

issued the statement.

"We ourselves have often been

the victims

"of violence and confinement

"ex*cuted by the United States

government officials.

"We know that

for the most part,

"elections in this country,

"in the North as well

as the South, are not free.

"We question, then,

the ability and the desire

"of the United States

government

"to guarantee

free elections abroad.

"We take note of the fact

"that 16% of the draftees

from this country are Negroes

"called on to stifle

the liberation of Vietnam

"to preserve a 'democracy'

"which does not exist

for them at home.

"We ask where is the draft

"for the freedom fight

in the United States?

"We believe that the work

in the Civil Rights movement

"is a valid alternative

to the draft.

"We urge all Americans

to seek this alternative,

"knowing full well that this

may cost them their lives--

a penalty as painful

as in Vietnam."

We'll only be able

to stop the w*r in Vietnam

when the young men who are made

to fight it begin to say,

"Hell no.

We ain't going."

[cheers and applause]

[protestors chanting]

Hell, no! We won't go!

Hell, no! We won't go!

Hell, no! We won't go!

Hell no! We won't go!

[engines humming]

Just like African Americans,

you know,

Puerto Ricans got their heads

turned around

once they got to Vietnam

and saw what was going on.

One of the stories

from the boogaloo era

that sort of resonated

and stayed with me for years--

one guy was a paratrooper

that went over to Vietnam.

And he said, "You know, Joe,

we jumped out of planes

with your music on."

A lot of these guys were GIs

from New York and around it,

and they brought their music

over there to Asia.

One guy remarked, he said,

"You ever heard of Tokyo Rose?"

I said, "Yeah." He said,

"Well, they had one in Vietnam."

How are you, GI Joe?

It seems to me that most

of you are poorly informed

about the going of the w*r.

And every time she got

on the microphone,

she said, "Hey, you

guys, man.

"Wouldn't you rather be home

in New York

"listening to Joe Bataan

instead of being over here

fighting against us?"

And they would play my songs.

[Joe Bataan's

"Gypsy Woman" playing]

The draft disproportionately

pulled Blacks and then Latinos

and poor whites in the system

because you didn't have

other alternatives.

You couldn't go to college,

you had no lawyers to fight

for you

if you said you refused to go.

So a lot of people

in our community

were drafted and sent off

to the w*r.

I was drafted.

Some of my friends went off

to w*r and died.

Too many people were dying

that we knew

from our communities.

Black folks have always gone

to wars

to proves that we was worthy

of American citizenship.

But we had gotten to a point

where we could no longer

go dying

to prove how much we love

a nation

that refused to love us.

[somber music]

In that same period,

Dr. King is making a statement

on Vietnam.

A time comes when silence

is betrayal,

and that time has come for us

in relation to Vietnam.

Everybody talks about

the "I Have A Dream" speech,

which is one

of the greatest speeches ever.

But in 1967, and not far

from here at Riverside Church,

Dr. King gives a great speech

about poverty, militarism,

and racism.

And he connects those three.

And it became clear to me

that the w*r was doing far more

than devastating the hopes

of the poor at home.

It was sending their sons

and their brothers

and their husbands to fight

and to die

in extraordinarily

high proportions

relative to the rest

of the population

to guarantee liberties

in Southeast Asia

which they had not found

in Southwest Georgia

and East Harlem.

And I knew that I could

never again raise my voice

against the violence of

the oppressed in the ghettos

without having first

spoken clearly

to the greatest purveyor

of violence

in the world today,

my own government.

[fire crackling]

He does this shift.

He begins to talk about

the w*r in Vietnam

as a w*r of economic

exploitation,

as a w*r of capitalist

exploitation.

The w*r in Vietnam

is but a symptom

of a far deeper malady

within the American spirit.

People were outraged.

They said,

"Stay in your lane."

He says, "This is my lane

because the trucks are coming

from all directions."

Two articles that came out

in the editorial

of "The New York Times"

and "The Washington Post."

Both newspapers were scathing

in their denunciation

of Dr. King

but didn't take issue with him

just on the w*r.

It now sought to discredit him

in very profound ways

leaving nothing intact

that suggested the movement

was the correct thing

to be happening.

The world now demands

a maturity of America

that we may not be able

to achieve.

It demands that we admit

that we have been wrong

from the beginning

of our adventure in Vietnam.

But the true patriot,

the real American,

the one who was doing the

country the greatest service,

was the one who would in fact

state his case

that it was ill*gal,

immoral, unacceptable,

and not to the best interests

of the country.

Anti-w*r demonstrators

protest U.S. involvement

in the Vietnam w*r.

Martin Luther King leads

the procession

to the United Nations

where he urges UN pressure

to force the U.S. to stop

bombing North Vietnam.

That was like a turning point.

His voice had power.

Everyone listened to him.

Not only Black people,

but white people as well.

[dramatic music]

Central Park is

the starting point

for the parade

to the UN building.

The extremes are on display

here in Central Park.

Extremes in hair,

extremes in dress,

and extremes in

political viewpoints.

The march in '67

was extraordinary

because it was happening

in New York.

This was coming down

Central Park West,

this was going

across 42nd Street,

and I was actually on the stage

right behind Dr. King.

[indistinct chatter]

Dr. King was very solemn

that day.

He had a written speech.

One of his aides was toddling

with his speech.

Or whatever.

I don't know if they were

trying to keep Doc

from saying what he wanted

to say,

but when they brought it

back up to the stage,

he folded that paper up

and put it in his pocket

and never used it.

He spoke extemporaneously

without referring

to that document.

There are twice

as many Negroes

dying this day in action

in Vietnam

I didn't go down,

but I do remember I had some

friends that went down

and they came back and they

were so excited about it.

You know, it gave you hope

that there might be

some changes,

that things could change.

[warm music]

The beautiful thing was

the power that you felt

being in those numbers

marching down 5th Avenue

and marching down 42nd Street.

There was a power.

[warm music]



When you're young, one of

the things you experience

when you're fighting

against something

or fighting for a cause

you've gotta believe

you're gonna win,

and you've gotta believe

it's gonna happen soon.

It usually don't happen

as soon as you wish,

but that's the power

of the collective,

the power of the masses.

Young people, whites, Blacks,

Asians, Latinos,

moving men, women together

calling for this change.

You just believe someone

is listening to you.

When you combine the idea of

love and freedom with justice,

then you have a people,

a culture, a music,

a movement, a hope, a prayer,

a life,

that is unstoppable.

[peaceful ambient music]



[lion roars]