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01x01 - Mecca

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "By Whatever Means Necessary: The Times of Godfather of Harlem". Aired: November 8, 2020.*
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Documentary series examines the story of Harlem, its music during the 1960's and its connections to today.

01x01 - Mecca

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- We have to realize that

the problem begins right here.

We have to elevate

our thinking,

not just the thinking

of a handful.

That won't do it.

But the thinking of 22 million

Black people in this country

must be elevated.

They must be made

to see it as we see it.

They must be made

to think as we think,

and then they'll be ready

to act.

Just like we're ready

to act.

- Ain't 'bout religion

- No, no

- Just born and raised

- I'm loaded up in honor

Rise up mighty dread

Fighting for my honor

Not on an empty threat

You're gonna feel this,

my love ♪

Feel this danger

I am the realest,

my love ♪

So follow me

- Ahh-ahh-ahh, ahh-ahh

Ahh, ahh-ahh-ahh,

ahh-ahh-ahh ♪

Ahh-ahh-ahh, ahh-ahh, ahh

[faint music]



[car radio static]

- The picket demonstrations

in the South

continued to escalate,

and so did the development

of the Nation of Islam,

developing particularly

in Harlem.

[applause]

- And in 1840 when they were

lynching Negroes,

and in 1950 when

they were lynching Negroes,

and then a few weeks ago

in Mississippi

they lynched a n*gro.

[car radio static]

- The Klan is staging a mass

rally and cross burning.

[car radio static]

- n*gro demonstrations

resulted in arrest

led to intensified

demonstrations

and sporadic acts of violence

throughout the city.

- We had this migration

coming

from South Carolina,

Virginia,

North Carolina, and

Georgia into Harlem,

which occurs primarily

because people

had been oppressed

and suppressed

and couldn't even

express themself.

- The '60s were

a moment in time

where Black people

were trying to really solidify

and gain their freedom.

There was all the pain

from not being able to be

who they are,

so that's why Harlem

became such a hub,

because you could

really be yourself.

Harlem had, you know, elements

of real soulful living,

and that's why I really, really

adored Harlem at that time.

[funky music]

- I was in Harlem as much

as I could growing up,

just come down here,

either play basketball

or go to the community center

and hang out,

because the vibrancy,

the lifestyle, the music,

every place the--the energy,

Harlem was where it was at.



Harlem felt like

a continuous block party

in the sense

that there was music

coming from people's

small radios

or coming from

their record players,

which was soul music.

[upbeat music]



That music would be happening,

coming out of those windows

and out of the barber

shops the whole time.

So you had doo-wop guys

that was on the corner

that were k*lling it

with those harmonies.



And they knew not only

what corners to be at

so they could attract

the girls,

they knew what buildings

and what courtyards

to be in that gave them

the best acoustics

for when they were

doing their thing.

[light piano music]



- We had all kinds of music

in Harlem.

We had music

from Gregorian style,

Latin-type music.

- You can get rhythm

and blues, reggae, jazz.

You know,

you can get the gospel,

so all of it was there.

Just take your choice

where you want to hang.



- All of these music

in our community,

they were influenced

by a beautiful,

close-knit neighborhood

of people like Cubans,

West Indians,

or people from the South.

- Kids would be out

playing stickball,

Johnny on the pony.

The girls would be

playing skully, double Dutch.

The old folks would be sitting

on the stoop holding court,

going back and forth

to the stores.

These things became, like,

an ongoing soundtrack for me

as a young man for different

aspects of my life.

- This is Harlem.

This is 145th Street.

These four ladies are going

across the street in the snow,

and I was in the snow

with my Leica,

and I put my camera up,

and just as I was about

to click the shutter,

this one lady turned

and looked at me

and I said, "Boom."

[gentle piano music]

When I got out of the navy,

my wife and I moved to Harlem

from Columbus, Ohio.

We had three small rooms

in the back

of a nine-room apartment

at 150th Street

and Convent Avenue.



I never seen that many

Black people in one place.

Everybody was cool.

Everybody dressed sharp.

Especially on the holidays,

you know?

People in Harlem

were beautiful.

In those days,

if you walked down the street

and you're in the neighborhood

and you're new,

people would ask,

"How you doing?"

They would speak to you,

"Hello. How are you?"

It felt family.



- New York City

is a racial layer cake,

and the bottom layer

is Harlem in Manhattan,

where most of the occupants

live behind the double bars

of poverty and a black skin.

Here the American dream

becomes a nightmare.



- In the press they would talk

about the negative aspects

of Black people.

It was never anything refined,

you know?

It wasn't about

the creative part

or about the beautiful part.

It was always very negative

and very r*cist.

[gloomy music]

And I just got sick and tired

of that--that kind of image.



I wanted to photograph

our people as I knew them.



Only we could show

the beauty of us.

[camera shutter clicks]

[applause]

- Thank you and good evening,

ladies and gentlemen,

and welcome

to the Apollo Theater.

We would like to get right

into the swing of things

by introducing to you

three very talented

young ladies of song

who'd like to come out

and give you their version

of a little thing entitled

"Come and Get These Memories,"

Martha and the Vandellas!

[together] Lover,

you've gone from me ♪

And left behind

so many memories ♪

- Hey, baby.

Here's your friendship ring

I can't wear it no more

Here's your old

love letters ♪

I can't read them anymore

- The best of acts dreamed

of playing at the Apollo.

We had a tour, a Motown Revue,

the very first ever.

Going to New York had been

a big thrill for us anyway,

but to know that we were

gonna play the Apollo?

We'd been told,

"If you can't perform well,

"they'll throw things at you,

"vegetables and beer bottles

and wine bottles,

and everything at you

if you're not good."

- Come and get

your memories lover ♪

- We started out with

"Come and Get These Memories,"

and the audience was with us.

They got up and started dancing

and having a good time,

and it made you just feel good

that you were in Harlem.

- We were in Atlanta.

We had been singing

around town.

They wanted us to come

and perform at the Apollo.

"Say what?

In New York?"

They said, "Yeah."

[funky guitar music]

We were scared to death.

We didn't know

what the Apollo was,

what it looked like,

where we went,

how were we gonna do it.

I had my little

khaki skirt on. [laughs]

It was green.

It was an ugly green too.

[laughs]

We always said a prayer

before we went on the stage.

We were so nervous

that they would not like us.

The song that we were to sing

was "Every Beat of My Heart,"

which was our first recording,

and they really applauded.

We were--we were looking

at each other like,

"They really liked us."

And they liked us so much

that they held us over,

and we ended up doing

almost a month,

and that's how we got started

in New York

at the Apollo Theater.

- I love the Apollo Theater.

My mother took me there

when I was probably about 12.

I think about so many different

forms of artistry

that could be seen

at the Apollo,

not only music

but comedians and dancers,

and so for me it was like

being able to fly

to a different planet.

[upbeat funky music]

It's very difficult

to relax in life.

You know,

they have a thing called PTSD.

I'd grown up with PTSD.

I remember at 15 this white

cop was beating up my brother.

It's that fear

and that kind of

hypervigilant feeling.

That PTSD,

it never goes away.

So at the Apollo I felt cool.

I felt like I could sit

with other Black folks

and listen to music

and hear music

and enjoy it and really laugh

and really be disarmed

and not feel like

I was uptight or worried.

- We brought love.

New York made us feel like

we were theirs.

We felt like we belonged

to Harlem and everybody.

It collects everybody

from all over the world.

That's the stopping point.

That's our port city.

- When we look at that

southern migration

coming north to Harlem,

the primary motivation

for that migration

was segregation,

Ku Klux Klan,

t*rror1st [inaudible],

r*pe, m*rder,

no access to voting,

but when you live under

that kind of suppression

for so long,

whe--you explode

when you get to a freedom.

And that's what

Harlem represented.

- You have people becoming

free artistically

to be able

to express themselves.

They can express

their culture,

and when they do

express that culture,

it's a very rich culture

in the Black community.

You see it with music.

- The 1960s was probably

the closest

to a Harlem renaissance

revival.

- Harlem became

like this Mecca.

- It was just exciting,

especially on the weekends when

the community had gotten paid

and came out to have fun.

- Downtown jazz clubs

closed up, like, at 11:30,

and then you would see all

these famous jazz musicians

from the clubs line up

with their fancy cars,

race up 7th Avenue.

They would hang out

till 3:00 in the morning

and play the music

that was much more creative

than what they had

been doing downtown.



- There was this

extraordinary artist,

came out of Texas,

King Curtis,

who was very popular

in Harlem.

- At first I didn't really

chose a career in music.

I was gonna be an architect,

but it was a hobby,

and I found that I liked it

better than the drawing boards

and what have you.

[jazzy saxophone music]



- In the '60s he made

a revision of an earlier piece

called "Harlem Nocturne."



- The original version

of the song "Harlem Nocturne"

coming from the 1930s

was a little bit

more straightforward,

coming out of the big band,

swing era.

It's a little bit more

up and down

in its rhythmic structure.

The King Curtis version is

a little bit

more passionate,

a little bit more fluid

in its orchestration.

You hear a lot more

kind of delicious vibrato

coming from his instrument.

- It's a romantic song.

It puts you in a certain mood,

and it makes you want to dance

or to make love or whatever,

you know,

just a very seductive

piece of music.

- Fits this moment when people

are gathering in large scale,

are responding to the world

in really dramatic ways,

because the circumstances

necessitated it.

The world was filled with drama

in this moment.

And so to hear

King Curtis' phrasing,

his uses of instrument,

the way

the orchestration fills out

while also taking advantage

of some of the newer

electronic impulses,

like amplification,

in this moment with the guitar,

it's a really telling

innovation

in thinking about

the long genealogies

of Harlem's music.



- I lived on the south side

of Chicago

for the first part of my life.

My family was all musicians.

We're all talking about

coming to New York,

because segregation is still

rather stiff in Chicago.

I left Chicago in 1957

to move to Harlem.

My ambition was to broaden

my musical possibilities

by coming to New York.

[upbeat jazzy music]

Every Tuesday

was a night in Harlem

that you would go out

to a jam session.

There were two or three

very famous clubs in Harlem,

like Wells Chicken

and Waffles.

Well, they gave us

a chance to play,

because they had bands

that would allow strangers

to come and sit in.

- We would learn

the songs,

you know,

from all these bands,

and we would go

to the clubs

and listen to them

and dream that, say,

the alto player

didn't show up,

you know, and they'd say,

"Well, we need an alto

player."

I already knew the book,

so, "I'm here.

I can help you out," you know?

So we all had those dreams,

you know?

- You could see

all the sick cats, man.

They had great jazz bars

and great--it was just--

it was hopping.

- Growing up surrounded

by jazz musicians,

I don't really know

any who were not responding

to the politics.

- You'd have to wait sometimes

for them

to call you up,

you know?

Sometimes you might not

even play.

We want to play something

that nobody--

that will keep other people

off of the bandstand.

We want to play something so

hard that they won't know that,

you know, it was, like,

a cutthroat kind of thing.

- We would hear some

of the older musicians

come by and comment

and give their advice

and encouragement

and so forth,

and people would hear you,

and somebody would say,

"Oh, I need a drummer,"

so you made your contacts and

gradually evolved to the point

where you didn't have time

to go to the sessions anymore.

We listened to the radio.

They had good jazz

radio stations.

[light funky jazz music]

And when you heard a record

that you liked,

that you could go

to Bobby's place

and find those records.

- We would go to Bobby's

Record Shop to buy our 45s.

You could hear music.

If you couldn't afford

the music,

you could just go there,

and he was always blasting

music out of the store.

- Bobby was also

a record producer

with very close relationships

with the Apollo,

made you feel like you

were somebody if you could be

in the shop

and a James Brown came

or a Jackie Wilson came.

- Bobby's Happy House

was a place to see people,

to get great music.

Bobby was just--

loved the community.

So, you know, if you liked

a particular singer,

they'd be like, "Hey,

if you like The Supremes,

you need to check out

Mary Wells,"

and even if you didn't

buy the record,

they'd play that record

for you,

so you get, like,

a music education.

You felt like you were welcome.

- We saw many of the artists

back in the day,

jazz artists,

rhythm and blues artists

that was identifying

their lyrics and their poetry

with the political reality

that was around them.

- There were other musicians

hanging out.

All of this enabled me

to meet other people

and talk to them and get entree

into more valuable places,

where I could play

and learn more.

- Hanging out

in the record store

or hanging out

in front of the record store,

there was one brother,

he was, like,

an original street dancer.

From morning till night

he would be next to

that speaker that was outside

of Bobby Record's House

dancing his butt off,

and it wasn't even

that he was a great dancer,

but when you see somebody else

having such a good time,

you can't help

but to enjoy yourself too,

just watching that person.

- Prior to the 1960s,

this was Jim Crow America,

meaning separate

but equal according to the law,

meaning there

were Black venues,

and there were white venues,

and that carried over

onto the radio airwaves.

There was a concerted effort

to actually keep

white music white

and Black music Black.

- The Black community

generally

originated every dance,

and then it started

being imitated

by the white

community.

- The popularization

of Black dance forms

and their ability to cross

over into white audiences

was a huge thing for the music

industry in particular

in thinking about

how they might begin

to market Black musicians.

- And by '60,

the Black community

was beginning to penetrate

into the music

of the white community.

[upbeat music]



- Come on, baby,

let's do the twist ♪

- Hank Ballard

was the first guy

that did the Twist

before Chubby Checker.

As a matter of fact,

Chubby Checker studied Hank,

took the song,

refined the song

to the white world,

if you will.

- The Twist was the craze

that came

and took over the nation.

Everybody was twi--

my mother twisted, you know?

Everybody did the Twist.

- Black music for Black folks

was a celebration.

It was inspiration,

but also it was a weapon

of insurgency.

It was a way that Black

culture got into

white communities,

especially through white kids,

in a way that was unstoppable,

almost viral.

Eldridge Cleaver, who was

minister of information

in the Black Panther Party,

said that the Twist

was like a guided m*ssile

that launched out of

the Black community

and landed into the hearts

and dare I say the hips

of white kids.

- Did you ever twist?

- Yeah, come on.

Get serious.

Did I ever twist?

I'ma smack you.

[laughter]

- Twist succeeded in the way

that politics,

religion, and law

could never do.

[upbeat jazzy music]



- My father was a musician,

played with George Shearing

for 12 years,

Miles Davis,

Duke Ellington, Count Basie,

a lot of the musicians

of his time.

He grew up in Little Rock,

Arkansas.

They were sharecroppers,

and there was no outlet

in Little Rock, Arkansas

for this little Black boy

who was a virtuoso,

so my grandmother

moved to New York.

[light piano music]

- Black music was making

inroads with white

and international audiences.

Black people were struggling

for basic rights

and decent living conditions.

- The basic problems

of Harlem, of course,

are economic and the fact

that the n*gro people

cannot get jobs

as easily as people who

are white all over New York.

Much of the housing is owned

by absentee landlords

or by banks

or mortgage associations,

and they just simply

take the rent,

let the house run down,

very little of the money

coming back to Harlem.

- And no matter how much money

a n*gro earns,

he cannot purchase a house

unless he has the money to pay

for the entire house.

If he needs a mortgage

to buy the house with,

he must borrow it from a bank,

and banks

will not lend--lend money

for a n*gro to purchase.

- We were pretty much confined

to Harlem.

Very few of us could afford

to move out,

so what made Harlem

so beautiful

is that you had the

Black upper-class,

the Black middle-class,

and the Black lower-class

all in one space,

and I think that's the thing

that made the place

so extraordinary.

- You had doctors and lawyers

and funeral directors,

so you had

a professional class,

but when you looked

at business,

we almost had

no other examples

of wealth accumulation,

except for the numbers runners

and the people

who were dealing drugs.

- My grandpa, he often talked

about the colorful figures

in Harlem,

including the Black gangsters.

So there was a person

called Madame Sinclair

who was a numbers runner

and the queen of numbers,

well-dressed, sharp,

serious crew, no joke,

and Bumpy Johnson worked

as an enforcer

at an early age.

- Bumpy grew up

in South Carolina.

Going into Harlem, at first

Bumpy wants

to be a lawyer,

but these avenues

are not open to him,

so what he starts

to understand

is that the numbers runners,

the drug dealers

in this community,

they're actually being able

to achieve

and touch the American dream.



- Numbers are the system

of lottery.

A lot of people in our family

are successful runners.

That was one of the means

of income.

- The numbers running was such

a big part of the economy.

They were the major

employer of people.

The numbers runners

were able to give out loans

that allowed them

to be able build a business,

to get a home.

- Bumpy Johnson said,

"I wanna have a piece of this,"

and did gain a foothold

in solidifying his power

and his network in Harlem

at that time.

- You can't ignore that Bumpy

Johnson is a drug dealer

and that that caused detriment

into the community.

- The overdose became a plague

in Harlem.

You go into the alleyway,

and in the midst of the trash

and the broken bottles

would be a dead body.

- You walk on the street,

you'd see Bumpy Johnson

was solving people's problems.

He was someone

who you could go to.

- Bumpy loved

the Harlem community.

Bumpy gave back,

helped people with their rent,

scholarships,

medical bills.

- If you needed some protection

from something

you had done wrong,

you'd go to Bumpy Johnson.

It was simple.

You'd never go to the police

or the government.

You went to your own people.

- What you want?

- Give me 500, will you?

- You want 500?

- 309.

- 309.

- 788.

- 788.

- 591.

- 591.

- Bumpy Johnson

and a lot of those guys

that were notorious

in our neighborhoods were,

like, heroes to us.

If we had to make a hustle

and the guy was driving

a brand-new car,

we found out that he had

a means to do that,

we wanted to follow suit.

[upbeat piano music]



- The best things

in life are free ♪

But you can give them

to the birds and bees ♪

I need money

[together]

That's what I want

- Money is about opportunity,

the possibility

for Black folks

to actually sustain themselves

economically in this moment

where segregation

is still very real.

- The lyrics, you know,

"The best things in life

are free,"

but when you're poor

and you see that money

makes the world go round,

and you're living in

the African American community,

what does the American dream

really mean?



- And it was not just about

reaching a middle-class ideal

but was really also about

a certain type of hustle

that Black folks had to

participate in for themselves

and their families,

so it was a song

that resonated.

- Motown came in and just

exploded the music industry.

- That music was infectious

and brilliant,

and it talked

about Black culture

that was more aspirational.

It didn't talk about

the hardships so much

that we were experiencing.

It talked about the way that

they wanted to see the world,

and that had

a huge influence on me.

- Motown had the ability

to connect

with where our heads were at.

- We started a revolution

doing the Motown sound.

- Diana and The Supremes,

they had some

really nice songs,

but they were definitely

not R&B "per se,"

rhythm and blues, got no good,

got no, you know?

[laughs]

The producers started

giving them a little more edge

on what they were singing.

Everything wasn't sweetie,

sweetie, sweetie, you know?

You gotta get

a little funk going.

- When I heard that music

from Motown,

I thought

that wasn't classical.

That wasn't jazz.

That wasn't anything

that I was used to,

and it certainly

wasn't the music

that I was hearing

on the radio.

This was

African American music.

- All I needed

was about $1,000

to start

your own record label.

I turned to our family

savings fund

owned by my parents,

brothers, and sisters, and me.

A loan of $800

was voted for unanimously

but not before they made me

sign an additional note

pledging my future royalties

as security.

- In Detroit we had so many

talented artists

who did not have a platform.

There was no recording

company for them,

so Berry recognized

there was a deficiency there.

[funky guitar music]

He had worked

at Ford Motor Company

on the assembly line.

He took the whole

assembly line production

and superimposed that over

this whole music idea,

this dream that he had.

- I thought Mr. Gordy

was a genius.

He knew about entertainment,

He could tell you a song

that was gonna work.

- When we weren't

in the studio,

we were being trained

to dance,

to sing, music theory.

Every song had

some steps to it, a routine.

We had a Motown look and a

Motown dance and a Motown way.

- They were glamorous.

I loved them,

Diana Ross,

Martha Reeves

and The Vandellas,

The Shirelles.

These were all huge influences

that showed us

that you could

possibly be that.

You could have that.

- The level of fortune

that Berry Gordy made,

for most people in Harlem,

that's almost impossible

to realize.

- I was going

to elementary school,

and I would go

into this Black bookstore.

I saw the picture on the cover

of this paperback book

of this--

what looked to me

like a white man what--

who was a preacher.

He had a minister's collar

in the picture.

And I was a boy preacher

in the Pentecostal Church,

I was interested,

and I picked it up

and found out

it was a Black guy.

I bought the book.

It was 99 cents.

I read about

Adam Clayton Powell,

and I was immediately

enamored by him.

- One leader who has been

in the middle

for the past 19 years

is Harlem's controversial

Democratic congressman

Adam Clayton Powell Jr.

- I read about the work

he'd done in the community

in Harlem as a congressman

and as a pastor of Abyssinian.

He wasn't just preaching about

some otherworldly rewards.

He was talking about

what we need

to be doing on the ground here,

and it excited me.

- What I loved about Adam

is 863 bills in Congress.

That's a lawyer.

That's not only someone

who's preaching,

telling you to find God

and how to turn the other

cheek, as Martin would say.

He was committed

to being a person

who really shouted out loud

and made his presence known

in Washington for change.

- I, Adam Powell, may belong

to a group of people

that some others

may think are inferior,

but I belong to a group

of people that God,

omniscient, omnipresent God,

God of all power says,

"You are my children,

and you're the same

as anyone else,"

and with that kind of faith

in me and courage in me,

I know I'm as good

if not better

than anybody that walks

the halls of Congress.

[cheers and applause]

- His contributions to

civil rights is just bar none.

No one has

made more

contributions

to civil rights,

besides Dr. King,

than Adam Clayton

Powell Jr.

[gentle piano music]



- My friend Ilfenesh Hadera,

how you doing, sis?

- How are you? I'm good.

- Everything okay?

- Yeah, I'm good. How are you?

- Good, doing great.

- I grew up

on Hamilton Terrace.

- Oh, okay.

- People would say,

"Where are you from?"

"Oh, I'm from Harlem."

I always noticed,

even as a kid,

it would be

that kind of wide-eyed

- Yes.

- "Is it safe there?

What's it like?"

It's really different

from anywhere else

in the city

or in the boroughs.

- Yeah, yeah,

absolutely, absolutely,

and, you know,

people recognize that now,

so we get visitors

from all over the world

that are coming to Harlem.

They're learning the culture.

- If I hadn't been cast in

"Godfather of Harlem,"

I thought to myself it would

be time to hang up my hat,

because who could play

Mayme Johnson, Bumpy's wife,

better than me, a woman who's

actually grown up in Harlem?

She was born

in North Carolina,

one of many children,

left poverty

to move up to New York

in search of a better,

bigger, brighter life,

like so many people do,

and she became really involved

in Har-You,

which was

a youth program here,

and started working closely

with Adam Clayton Powell Jr.

[gloomy music]

- There was a time they

wouldn't let Black people

work in the stores.

Adam Clayton Powell Jr,

he boycotted all the stores

on 125th.

He shut them down.

I mean, do you know how

powerful that was to do that?

- Which is mind-boggling to me,

totally--I didn't know

this part of the history of--

- Adam Clayton Powell

shut down the stores

so that Blacks

could work in there,

and that--right here

on 125th Street.



- I love the statue.

Larger than life.

- Oh, absolutely.

- I mean, it's a statue

to match his personality.

- Literally, yes, indeed.

- [laughs]

- Look at some of the things,

employment of the

physically handicapped,

and he created that.

- Increasing federal assistance

for public libraries.

- Public libraries.

- I mean, on and on and on.

- I mean, he did so much

that people

forget that--how powerful

Adam Clayton Powell was.

- I think a lot of people get

hung up

in the kind of controversial

just part

of his personal life,

but that just diminishes all

the incredible work he's done.

He's a man on a mission.

- Oh, yeah.

- You know?

- His famous slogan was,

"Keep the faith, baby."

- Our nation is going

to continue to slide downhill

unless we the people

do something to bring back

to its sensibilities

and its sense of right

and its sense of justice to

the United States of America.

[applause]



- A lot of people in Harlem,

they were out there

in the streets

talking about issues

in the Black communities.

- This is no commoner speaking.

This is an angry

Black man speaking.

[cheers and applause]

- Each corner on 125th Street

and I believe 7th Avenue,

people had stepladders,

maybe 6 feet tall,

and they would be

on those ladders

and shouting and talking

and giving a sense

of what the politics

of the times were.

- There are no such thing

as second-class citizens!

- No, definitely.

- You are a citizen,

or you are a sl*ve.

- That's right.

- That's right.

- That's right.

- Any brother could get up

there and start yelling

and screaming about whatever,

and a lot of people did.

Some of the neighborhood guys

would get up and say,

"I'm sick of

the so and so and so,"

and they said,

"That's right, brother."

You got something to say,

you get on a soapbox.

- You had the Garveyites,

who would be talking

about Africa.

You had Black nationalists,

who were talking about

our conditions

in this country.

- And all of this

was now being

broadcasted on 125th Street.

- The way we got our news

about us

was either through

those ladders or "Jet" magazine

and "Amsterdam News."

- They were our newsmen

from the ghetto,

if you will.

[applause]

- In Harlem, people were

being politicized.

You had both physical

rebellion

and mental rebellion.

- I just moved into Harlem

on a Friday night.

So the next day,

instead of unpacking

and all thing,

a friend and I

decided

we were gonna walk

down Lennox Avenue

and just kind of

look around.

[funky music]

And we get down near

116th Street,

and we saw a crowd gathering.

There was probably

2,000 or 3,000 people,

and the stand

was set up there,

and we said,

"Wait, what's going on?"

and they said,

"Malcolm X is going to speak."

And at that time

I had heard of him,

you know, vaguely,

so we decided,

"Let's see

what he's got to say."

- Who taught you to hate

the texture of your hair?

Who taught you to hate

the color of your skin

to such extent that you bleach

to get like the white man?

- Brother Malcolm was talking

about attacks on the mind.

I was 24 years old.

This was something

I had never heard before.

- Who taught you to hate

the shape of your nose

and the shape of your lips?

Who taught you

to hate yourself

from the top of your head

to the soles of your feet?

Who taught you to hate

your own kind?

Who taught you to hate

the race that you belong to

so much so that you don't want

to be around each other?

- And I'm beginning to think

about growing up

in Tuskegee, Alabama,

going to these segregated

movie theaters.

[applause]

- Ahh-ahh-ahh!

Every Sunday we'd be

in that movie theater.

- As weird voodoo rituals

fan the fires

of barbaric violence.

- Go now.

Bring me the warm heart

of Tarzan.

- We cheered for Tarzan

over the Africans

and laughed at the Africans,

because we thought

they thought that meant

that they were just ignorant,

and we laughed at them.

Those were attacks on our mind.

- You should ask yourself

who taught you to hate

being what God gave you.

[cheers and applause]

- For three hours

I listened to him speak,

and Brother Malcolm,

when he spoke that afternoon,

made me understand

how harmful that had been

to us as a people.

[applause]

And by the time he finished,

I was a Malcolmite.

- The joy of Malcolm

was that he could have

in an audience

college professors,

doctors, musicians,

and sisters

who were housewives,

sisters who worked

for people in their houses,

brothers who were

out of prison,

brothers who were on drugs,

brothers who were workers.

I've never seen anyone appeal

to such a broad audience.

He understood

if you tell people the truth,

then it will appeal

to everyone.

- We need an organization

that's ready

and willing to take action

by any means necessary.

- At that time,

people in Harlem

began sharing this

new political consciousness.

[percussive music]



- There was a place in Harlem

called Michaux's African

Memorial Bookstore.

It was a place

where you could get lost

in knowledge, literally.

There were books

from floor to ceiling.

- That bookstore was

an absolute must,

because we had not been

exposed to any kind

of what they call

Black history

or African American studies.

None of this was available

or had been developed

at that time.

- Mr. Michaux was

representative of people

who loved the community.

That they were making money

was a secondary thing.

Mr. Michaux, he would

give you books to read.

If you had money for one title

and then he recommended

another author,

he might lend you

the other book.

He made the place available

for community meetings.

Poets would read.

It was that cultural

kind of gathering place,

and then if you had something

that you wanted to say,

be it to do a reading

or to do some music

or to have a charged discussion

on the difference

between civil rights movement

and Black nationalism,

that that's the place

that you should be.

- When the struggle

is beginning in the South,

you see this replicated

in Harlem,

because African American people

aren't identifying themselves

by neighborhoods.

They're identifying themselves

as African Americans.

- Folks said,

"No, we not taking a step back.

"We're not ignoring

what's going on.

We gotta speak out against it

and speak truth to power."

- So this whole discussion

of Black power,

what's going on

with the protest movement,

it was happening everywhere.

- The Black and White students

spent the whole summer

getting on buses

so that they could go

into bus stations and eat

at lunch counters

that were segregated

and that their bus

was set on fire.

They were paying a very,

very high price and heavy price

to make this point

to fight for freedom.

I understood

that they were warriors.

- I had already been active

in my local NAACP youth group

doing sit-ins.

There are times that pacifism

is an excellent tactic,

but there was no way in hell

you were gonna get me

to lay down on the floor,

put my hands over

the back of my neck

to protect myself from people

trying to k*ll me

with billy clubs and bats,

because I'd rather

sh**t somebody.

- Martin Luther King

at that time,

with all

due respect,

was not one of

Harlem's favorites.

Harlem, we were Malcolm's

children.

- I was a non-revolutionary,

but I don't think

Black people in Harlem

or in any other community

ever were in total agreement

on how to deal with the issue

of equality

and social justice.

You had different

ideological groups,

and they had

their own kind of strategy.

- This whole business

of integration,

I think we've

looked at it in one way.

- Whether the music is playing

off the politics

or politics

is playing off of music,

when it's a moment

that merges in such a way

that's almost indecipherable,

that you don't separate them.

You see them

as a--in a totality.

You see them

as a combustible whole.

- You perhaps came here

to hear us tell you

to turn the other cheek

to the brutality

of the white man.

I say you came

to the wrong place.

[cheers and applause]

- It wasn't till Malcolm X

that it began to have

national and

international ramifications,

and the more I listened

to him,

the more I found myself

in conflict,

because if you beat

the drums of w*r loudly enough

and you discover that you are

incapable of effectively

making the difference

you thought you could make

because the design of violence

would be quickly snuffed out.

It was very troublesome.

[gentle piano music]

- Harry Belafonte,

he had been a star

from the entertainment world

and an activist.

He was close friends

with Dr. Martin Luther King,

who was fighting

for civil rights peacefully.

- And our aim in this struggle

is not to defeat

or to humiliate the white man

but to win his friendship

and understanding,

and the end is reconciliation

and the creation

of the beloved community.

We are not seeking

to annihilate the opponent

but to convert him,

and this is what we

- Dr. King said,

"We'll ask as many ways

as we can peacefully for you

to do the right thing.

- You are gathered here

this afternoon to hear

the Honorable

Elijah Muhammad's message,

which you knew in advance

was titled

"Separation or Death."

[cheers and applause]

- Malcolm X said

this is not about please

and thank you.

Can't turn the other cheek.

Change would happen

if we forced change.

So there was

those competing narratives

in the same

civil rights movement.

- And, you know, some Black

people were against Malcolm.

"You're telling them

the white man is a dog.

You can't do that."

- And there's a great deal

of difference

between nonresistance to evil

and nonviolent resistance.

- Dr. King, is he our leader?

- Martin Luther King I can't

completely go along with.

You know, he will be

so nonviolent

that it would--

that the white men can sic

the dogs and the ammunition

and blow us all up,

and we'll all die

for--you know,

for this peace and brotherly

love and all of this.

- I have a great deal

of respect,

by the way, for Malcolm X.

I disagree with him

a great deal.

A great deal

of what he's saying is aimed

at the depressed

and the destitute,

and he appeals to them,

but you've got to have

something to offer them,

else they're lost

to us forever.

- Can you see anything

between a Malcolm X

and a Martin Luther King?

- No, because I think

that these two gentlemen

might very well

be the casualties

as a result of this struggle

for equality

because, you see, they took two

dichotomous positions.

This is unnatural.

- From a political point

of view,

the only thing

everyone agreed on

was that

it was time for real change.

- Music became its own

kind of language

by which people could

tell each other stories,

encourage one another, but also

best survive the present tumult

and think about how they could

best move forward.

["It's All Right"

by The Impressions"]



- Say it's all right

It's all right

Say it's all right

It's all right

It's all right

Have a good time

'cause it's all right ♪

Whoa, it's all right

- "It's All Right" makes

you feel like it's all right.

It gives you a feeling

that it's going to be okay.

If you have a higher value

and a higher integrity,

then it really is all right.

Curtis was an entertainer

and realized

that that wasn't enough

because of the oppression

of the people.

He was someone who I think

believed that his work

had to be instrumental in

moving people toward freedom.

He had a certain

kind of courage and poetry

that people

hadn't really heard before,

and that affected black people.

- Feeling sad

like so many of us do ♪

Hum a little soul

Make life your goal

And surely something's

gotta come to you ♪

And say it's all right

- He was trying to make

a comment

on where we were at

in our society right now

and also suggestive

about how to change it.

The music

became the movement,

and it became the guiding force

to be able to get people

starting to move forward.

- Give yourself a chance

You've got soul

And everybody knows

that it's all right ♪

Whoa, it's all right

[frenetic jazz music]