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01x01 - To Listen to A k*ller

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Mastermind: To Think Like a k*ller". Aired: July 11, 2024.*
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Series explores the career of Ann Burgess, looking into her widely known and lesser-known cases.

01x01 - To Listen to A k*ller

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My earliest memory is

my mother working

on that typewriter.

And its keys were,

like, super loud.

It was just a blur of

machine g*n sound, like

Typing, typing,

typing, typing, typing.

- It was

- Just like

- No

- No.

You'd never know in the house

growing up what she did for work.

Good morning, Mrs. Burgess.

Nice to have you with us.

Dr. Ann Burgess.

Dr. Burgess, it was

my experience

Well, I guess I knew that my mother

did things that were different.

You know, we would have FBI

agents come over to the house.

I remember some magazines,

certainly the TV shows.

A professor of

psychiatric nursing.

The minute any type

of violence occurs.

For the offender, it

gives him a record.

Her books are in the house.

Book on sexual as*ault, child

molestation, a nursing book,

crime classification manual,

book on homicide.

Like, I knew all that.

But it really wasn't

until late high school

that I learned she was

working with serial murderers.

Severing the human

head, two of 'em

It's in a tourniquet,

so it cut off the air.

Stabbed her i-i-in the back.

This is the person

you grew up with

who brings dinner to the table,

and when you're crying

she wipes your tears.

I was, like, shocked to

know that she was involved

in trying to solve these crimes.

Oh, yes.

Police believe they may have a

serial k*ller on their hands.

No one knows what is

driving them to k*ll.

Murders of 13 girls

- k*lled as many as 21

- Thirty-six women

We are a violent people

in a violent country.

Getting inside the mind of evil

to help them solve

serial killings.

The state's top law

enforcement officer

called a press conference tonight

in the ski mask r*pe case.

Fits the pattern of some 20 r*pe

cases in the past two years.

The r*pist would sneak into a

house through an open window

or door to surprise his victim.

Police are advising women

to be very, very careful.

Well, I'm very, very scared.

I have all the windows locked.

The nine states where ski

mask r*pes have occurred

may just be the

tip of the iceberg.

The FBI needs to

change their tactics

if agents want to catch

the Ski Mask r*pist.

There are approximately

four million girls

who will be going out

within the next few years

to make careers for themselves

in a busy and toughly

competitive world.

When I graduated

from high school,

there were three

options for women.

To be a teacher,

to be a secretary,

or to be a nurse.

I said, "Well, I can be a nurse 'cause

I can ask everybody how they feel.

That's what I'll learn."

I'm always interested

in how people feel.

But in academe, in

terms of nursing,

nobody else cared

about how they felt.

They said, "You should research

physical illness only."

That was the mindset

at that time.

"You're not gonna get

anywhere with this."

But if I wanted to do

something, I was going to do it.

I began to talk to the patients

with traumatic experiences.

It is very hard for

people to listen

to what has happened

to another human being.

It makes them feel helpless,

and they don't realize that listening

is a very powerful strategy to help.

In '78, I was a professor of

nursing at Boston College.

I also had four young children.

One day my, uh, research assistant is

looking very sheepish in the doorway

saying, "You've got a phone call."

I'm saying, "Take it, Anna."

And she says, "I think you'd

better. It's the, um, FBI."

You know, somethin' with

my taxes or something?

Why are they calling me?

You know, what did I do?

And he says he'd like

to invite me down

to talk about the

book that I wrote.

50% of the time,

women ask for it.

If I'm on top and you say,

"Alright, yeah, yeah."

Then a couple minutes later they say,

"Oh, stop, stop." I ain't gonna stop.

If a woman wants to get even with

her husband after an argument,

just yell r*pe.

They would blame the victim.

"Why weren't you taking

care of your kids?

What are you doing

out at night?"

I-I remember I was

being pushed on the bed,

and then he put a

sheet over my face.

At that time, I felt that my whole

frame of reference for the world

had sort of fallen apart.

When Lynda Holmstrom and I started

studying the problem of r*pe,

I was told, "Pick another topic.

r*pe is not a problem."

And it was, but nobody was

paying attention to it.

I believe that every

woman has a story.

I certainly had some.

We lived in the nurse's dorm,

and I wanted to go to

my sorority meeting.

The college was

up this big hill.

I got up there and then they said, "Oh,

just stand over there by that road,

and lots of people go down,

you can just hitch a ride."

This car picked me up

and got me about halfway

down and he pulled off.

I knew I was in trouble.

I was really, really scared.

I hit the horn and I said, "I'll get

out, I'll walk the rest of the way."

Luckily, he took off.

When they would say,

"r*pe is not a problem,"

I didn't believe that.

I thought, "We've got to get

people aware of this problem."

When the FBI called,

r*pe cases weren't

being looked at.

They were just being

put in the shelf.

The cases are going cold.

She was somebody who had

this set of knowledge

that nobody else had.

She had spoken to those victims,

and she could go and

teach the men of the FBI

everything that she had learned about

r*pe and trauma and sexual as*ault.

When you're looking for

who can you influence

to change a broken system,

the FBI was the top of the list.

So I felt I could

make a difference.

Being down at Quantico was

very much a culture shock.

The firing range opened at 6:00.

They loved their g*ns.

FBI agents were kinda like

these mythical cowboy figures,

sort of classic Americana.

And that was the image

Hoover wanted to cultivate,

was the FBI as superheroes.

The special agent must

be a good marksman

and have the courage

to sh**t it out

with the most venomous

of public enemies.

If law enforcement in

general was this boys club,

the FBI was kind of the

cool kids of the boys club.

Ann thought, "Great, there's

these saviors of America"

"ready to learn from me

and to help do something

about this immense issue."

I'm Ann Burgess,

and I'd just like to again

personally welcome all of you.

You all have been selected for

your expertise in a wide area.

She looked out at this

audience of 40 FBI agents

who were all men,

and she started

talking about r*pe,

and there were some

snickers in the audience.

Her sort of whole view of these lofty,

high-minded G-men suddenly crashed.

And of course, the one question they

would always say to me, "Were you r*ped?"

Wow, what a question to

come from the audience.

You know, here's all these men.

There are few other female

agents teaching at that time.

There clearly was

discrimination.

No current connection

They would be very confrontational

in their questions.

Not about, "Well, how

did the victim feel?"

I mean, you would hope

that they would ask more,

"Tell me more about being a

victim in from your lecture."

All of my research is

in the area of victims

and the impact of

victimization on

They thought r*pe was just sex.

"Women secretly wanted it

or they were out there

and asked for it."

I hope that many of you will be

able to listen to what has

The problem with the

other side of the story

is they don't want to hear it.

You've gotta be very

kind of resourceful in

how you bring it in.

She used that first session

to really show sexual as*ault

as it actually occurs.

Once she was able to get the agents to

understand the severity of the issue,

they did start paying

a lot of attention,

and they did start

asking her questions

and they did see the value of being

able to intervene and to help victims.

Throughout those early days,

Roy Hazelwood, who had been the

one to initially invite her down,

he would introduce

her to other agents.

Sometimes they took an interest,

a lot of times they didn't 'cause she

wasn't there in any official capacity.

She wasn't even, you know,

fully consulting yet.

So, when Ann came

as this outsider,

the one group that would accept

her were the other outsiders.

The Behavioral Science Unit

was a small part of the

academic branch of the FBI.

The agents were all working on these

sort of not-by-the-book projects,

some of which were approved,

some of which were

not so approved.

It kinda didn't matter 'cause they

were in the basement of Quantico

where no one was really

paying them attention anyway.

I remember the first time going,

and you get on that elevator

that doesn't have any numbers,

and then you get down two

floors and there are no windows.

It's a b*mb shelter, literally.

She started to learn more

about two agents in particular,

John Douglas and Rob Ressler.

Ressler was a steady

hand at the BSU.

He was calm, which was sort

of a juxtaposition to Douglas.

Douglas was the most polarizing

figure within the BSU.

Strong opinions and

a lot of confidence,

and there were certain people that

that definitely rubbed the wrong way.

I remember being at Quantico in

John Douglas' office and he's got

- a dress hanging in the corner.

- Yes.

Did he call it J. Edgar

Hoover's dress? Yeah, okay.

And then the power goes out.

He's like, "I got a

flashlight here somewhere."

- When he turns it on, it's under his chin.

- Of course.

Douglas, uh, you had to

get on his good side,

especially if you're

gonna work with Ressler.

And I wanted to

work with Ressler

'cause Ressler was interested in a

population that wasn't studied at all.

I was talking to victims,

and he was talking with the

other half, if you will.

I wanted to put the

two halves together.

The m*rder of people in series,

or serial murders,

has police departments

across this country worried.

Motiveless, random killings,

sometimes thousands

of miles apart.

Their victims are strangers.

Their motives unknown.

For Ressler, that was

always the big question.

"How many serial

K*llers are out there?"

A lot, that we knew of.

The unsolved Zodiac murders.

- The Hillside Strangler.

- Son of Sam.

In the '70s, we saw

this really steep rise

in the number of

serial K*llers active.

The scientists say

there is no way

to spot a mass

k*ller in advance.

Even when they're caught, serial

K*llers are seldom well understood.

Arresting and convicting

serial K*llers

is still, for the most

part, a matter of luck.

The mind of the serial predator

was not something that

was at all understood.

Seven killings in two weeks.

Well up into the 15, 16 victims.

Thirty-three victims that

we know of, and maybe more.

We don't understand it.

A conventional

investigation is lacking.

We're, we're missing

something here.

Why would somebody

choose to k*ll strangers

over and over and over again?

What makes him so different

from the rest of us?

Robert Ressler realizes

that he has to do something

to begin to better understand the men

who are committing serial k*lling.

Ressler said we need

to go in and speak

with criminals like the ones of

these cases we're trying to solve.

They operate by a

different sense of logic.

So there's really no

way to understand them

unless you talk to them.

If we don't start

looking at serial K*llers

and learning

something about them,

10, 15, 20 years from now,

we're gonna be right

back where we are today.

This guy is a person

to understand,

and to understand

is to stop this guy.

Ressler was the dr he

was the driving force,

and he wanted to

do the interviews.

Of course, that could be a problem

because they were serial K*llers.

And at that time, Ressler

was doing single interviews,

and he liked this Ed Kemper.

He was finished

the interview.

It was around three o'clock,

and he was getting really kind

of nervous looking at his watch

and Kemper turns

to him and said,

"You know, they the, uh,

guard isn't coming back.

They're on change of shift. He's

not gonna be here for 30 minutes."

He says, "In that

time, you know,

I could snap your head and

leave it on the table."

He said, "I'd own

the prison then.

I k*lled an FBI agent."

Luckily, the guard came

and as they're leaving,

Kemper turns to him and says,

"You know I was just

kidding, didn't you?"

So that changed policy quick.

He never went alone again.

And Douglas was the one that

was willing to go with Ressler.

It's important to understand

that when Ressler and Douglas

and-and others were going in and

interviewing these offenders,

they were doing so in a

kind of unstructured way,

conversing with them,

asking them general details,

taking whatever information

they were willing to share.

They would interview serial

K*llers face-to-face,

and then they would

just have a conversation

about, "What does this

mean? What does that mean?"

They had no idea what they had.

They didn't have the tools to

make some sense out of them.

The agents were really

interested in Dr. Burgess' work

because this r*pe

study that she had done

involved this unwieldy

data coming in

from just these people

telling their story.

She was able to quantify

that information,

do something

productive with that.

So, the agents were interested

in learning what her process was

and seeing if they could

apply it to their research

and so they just

shared it with Ann.

Something snapped in me.

- I picked up a rock.

- Mm-hmm.

And, um

big size, softball size,

- and I hit her

- Mm-hmm.

With the rock

upside of her head.

- It, it knocked her unconscious

- Mm-hmm.

And I left.

Once you k*ll

another human being,

you'll never be the

same person again.

The tapes that

they brought back,

the cases were so horrific.

We had Charles Manson.

Since I was 10 years old,

I used to lay down and have to get

my a*s whipped till I couldn't walk.

Tell me about some pain.

Pain's not bad, it's good.

It teaches you things.

We had a number of Kemper

tapes that came in.

I lived as an ordinary

person most of my life.

Even though I was living a parallel

and increasingly sick life.

He was so articulate.

Ted Bundy was

equally articulate.

I-I can see how certain

feelings and ideas

developed in me to the point

where I began to act out on them.

Certain very violent and

very destructive feelings.

Montie Rissell, really

quite forthcoming.

He talked and he

talked and he talked.

It was like I was just spinning out

of control during the day, right?

But at night when

I could dominate,

it was just

exhilarating, I guess.

I listened closely until

each cassette stopped.

I took notes and listened again.

I laid her on the hood of

the car, and I r*ped her.

I said, "You do

exactly what I say!"

So if you're gonna

k*ll somebody,

y-you just put it on their neck

and twist it three times

What I heard was

like eavesdropping

on the rawest

fringes of humanity.

I cut off her head.

I had a utility knife,

and I cut her throat.

I think I stabbed her

four or five more times.

Be walking up the stairs

with a camera bag that

had her severed head.

I saw potential in the study, but I

also had to think about my family.

I hesitated 'cause it

might take up extra time,

nighttime, weekend time.

That was hard because I

had the young children.

I was feeling pressured to

make the right decision.

I mean, I didn't care

much about the offenders.

They were K*llers.

The biggest motivation

from my perspective

was helping victims.

I focused on that

as much as I could.

I think there is an empathy, a

compassion that she understands

because of-of the

lived experience.

My Uncle Frank was very

caring and very supportive.

My uncle's house in Maryland

had a grand piano in one

part of the living room

and a organ, real organ.

I think that I still probably

have his sheet music, yeah.

And he could play by ear, so

he could almost do anything.

Uncle Frank was

a country doctor,

and Frank really nurtured

her love of music.

They would play together.

She said many times

that she wanted to be a pianist,

but that's not

how it played out.

Uncle Frank had a driver,

and the driver, we didn't

know, was into drugs

and doctors have drugs.

They got into a fight,

and my uncle was k*lled.

It was quite a struggle

because I know that

even months later

they were finding blood

in the back of lamps.

And, of course, that changed the

whole landscape, if you will.

She had firsthand experience of what it's

like to lose somebody you love so dearly.

So for my mom, one outlet

for her is her work.

She's very devoted

to try to figure out

how to prevent this from

happening in the future.

Her work helps her deal with some of

the tragedy that she's experienced.

So, I decided this

was important.

I would help with the study.

It's not necessarily

a fully sanctioned,

approved, by-the-book's move

to be bringing

Dr. Burgess into the room.

She's not officially an agent.

She's a guest lecturer.

But Ressler says, "Forget about it.

We'll deal with the consequences later.

Just get in here, help

me figure this out."

The tapes that I listened

to were fascinating.

Now the problem was we had

to make sense out of it.

That data hadn't come in

in a standardized way,

and how do you

make sense of that?

How do you sort of

quantify that information?

How do you set up a, a project?

That is where the

academic comes in.

These were agents that

never had done research.

They needed help

with a methodology.

So we had to come up

with this questionnaire.

We can't just go in

willy-nilly and chitchat.

You have to ask

the same questions

in order to be able

to find common themes.

What are our research questions?

Through those first recordings,

she was able to say, "Here's

where I would follow up."

"Here's where I would

expand on this."

"How did you get

him to say this?"

"How was he able

to tell you that?"

Maybe we'd learn

a good question.

What should the order

of the questions be?

How far back do you have to go?

You'd say, "Did you see something

or did you hear something?"

When you'd learned

something, "Let's put it in."

We put together this 57-page

questionnaire, color-coded it,

which made it easier

for the agents,

and we started

collecting the data.

Finally, there

would be uniformity

of information that

they were asking,

and so the agents learned what

was really happening in the field

and they would take that information

and they would bring it back to Ann,

who would then make sense of it.

Well, that's where we were

starting to learn things.

How many siblings do you have?

How many older brothers?

Have you ever thought

about suicide?

Do you have a history of bedwetting?

Sleepwalking, nail-biting

I would listen. I

would hear something.

I would jot it down to see what

was coming up over and over.

So if we see this in another guy,

alright, that's really interesting.

If we see it in a third,

okay, this is a pattern.

What are the patterns?

- Categories.

- Data sets.

So the data began piling up.

And now we have

we have something

we can work with.

To meet the challenges of today

and prepare for the

challenges of tomorrow,

your FBI remains in the forefront

of both the training and technology

for criminal investigation.

We were pretty quiet

in the beginning.

We didn't want anyone

really knowing too much

because we didn't

know if we were right.

So they knew something was going on

'cause we were always huddling together.

They had to figure out

something we're talking about,

and we'd just say we're

talking about cases.

There were certain

types of projects

that were more highly

ranked than others.

Forensics made sense.

Stuff that had to

do with psychology

that was less grounded in a

crime scene, less tangible,

seemed a little more like "woo."

Mm-hmm, yeah.

They weren't ready for it.

That these agents wanted

to spend FBI resources

focusing on these

dredges of society,

the FBI did not want to have

anything to do with that.

We didn't have the

approval of the FBI,

but it was something that

we had to do in secret.

I felt the stakes were

really, really high.

All I can think about is

what he did to her.

What were her thoughts?

How long did she suffer?

And those thoughts are

with me all the time.

I read about 'em in the paper.

They happen in New York City.

They don't happen in

Ellensburg, Washington.

The whole unit was

developing a tool

that might be

useful to the field.

That was our whole goal is,

"How can you prevent it?"

The agents of the BSU understood

they were developing a tool

that could shift the paradigm

of how law enforcement was

able to catch criminals.

Ann is a person who helped to develop

the tools that assisted profilers.

Ann was the brains

of the operation.

She saw the potential for using

interviews with serial K*llers

to be predictive of

who a k*ller might be.

Who identified characteristics

of the offender

based on previous people

who did similar things.

She thought if you can

recognize the patterns,

you can do something to stop

that pattern from continuing.

The state's top law

enforcement officer,

Colonel Bo Garrison of the

Louisiana State Police,

called a press conference tonight

in the ski mask r*pe case.

The case involving burglary

and crime against nature

fits the pattern of some 20 r*pe

cases throughout South Louisiana.

A state police spokesman says

most of the break-ins

involve sexual as*ault.

The r*pist would

sneak into a house

through an open window or

door to surprise his victim.

Then in many cases,

he would wait

until the woman's husband

or boyfriend returned.

After tying up the husband,

the attack would start.

Governor Dave Treen instructed

state police commander Bo Garrison

to make capture of the Ski

Mask r*pist top priority.

In the late '70s, I was a member

of the Louisiana State Police.

When he came into the house,

he was very domineering,

very commanding.

When there started

to be media reports

of a ski mask r*pist,

it created a sense of

fear and huge concern.

Police are advising women

to be very, very careful.

I really don't feel safe.

Just I'm just afraid,

that's all. Really afraid.

Some residents have decided

that locking doors and

windows isn't enough.

South Louisiana saw an

increase of g*n sales

by well over a thousand percent.

It was a community that was lost

for the violence that

was taking place.

I'm very, very scared.

I have all the windows locked

and, uh, the dogs loose at night,

and I think I'm gonna

put some bars in my window.

Well, local police departments

had never seen a case like this.

Law enforcement was so frantic

that the community was so scared

that they reached out to the BSU

and said, "We really need help."

Hazelwood, when he was looking

at these case files that came in,

he was noticing an escalation.

Early cases were what you

might call a traditional r*pe.

And the more recent r*pes, he

had not only tied up the victim,

but had also tied up

the victim's husband

to force the husband to watch

as he was raping the wife.

Hazelwood wasn't sure

what to make of it,

so he shared cases that had come

in with Ann to get her opinion.

We decided to see if we could

compare it to our other cases

to see what we could learn.

One of the profilers said,

"This case sounds just

like Montie Rissell."

Montie Rissell was very different

from some of the serial K*llers.

He had a whole series of r*pes

before he started k*lling.

We wanted to see if there

was some pattern there.

Internally, we're dealing

with a trusted group here,

certainly on a

case just like it.

In this particular case, we had

a young man by the age of 14,

had r*ped his first victim.

I talked to this guy for

probably 12, 14 hours.

He told us a lot.

Let's look at the first r*pe.

What really led

you up to doing it?

When I climbed up the balcony,

I don't think I even

had that intention.

It was more or less

maybe to just break in

and rob something

or steal something.

I walked into the bedroom

and she was in, in her bed.

- Just hearing the fear

- Mm-hmm.

In her voice and-and not

knowing what was going on,

it was like an-an

adrenaline rush.

Ann discovered these offenses

looked very much like the pattern

we see in people

with an addiction.

Less violent at first,

peeping through windows,

stealing underwear,

calling up somebody and using

foul language and hanging up.

And then there's a need to keep

increasing the stimulus, like a drug.

There was an adrenaline

rush, a power trip, control.

Just to be able to

take another person

and dominate 'em

and-and control 'em.

When it stops being exciting enough,

that's when you can get the m*rder.

I mean, th-that's

what's so scary.

She's the one that

first mentioned to me,

if I didn't hurt her,

she'd have sex with me,

thinking that she could

control the situation.

Once you k*ll

another human being,

you'll never be the

same person again.

It's like a junkie wanting

another shot of dope.

We learned that the

excitement piece,

the adrenaline rush was

an underlying theme.

It was like drugs, a

little isn't enough.

At first, it is,

and as you adjust to that

psychologically and physically,

you take more and more and more.

It's the same process.

Like an addiction, you

keep craving something

which is harder, harder,

something which gives

you a greater excitement.

Through the Montie Rissell case,

we began to see the pattern

of the Ski Mask r*pist.

If you don't catch

'em fast enough,

they just escalate further.

The Ski Mask r*pist was doing such

sadistic things to the victim's body

that my feeling was that

we better catch him fast

or we're gonna lose,

physically lose the victim.

At this point in time, the Ski Mask r*pist

had committed dozens of known assaults.

So Hazelwood was tasked to share

whatever resources he could

on the FBI's behalf

to try and stop this individual.

There was this idea

that if Ann brought

her understanding of psychology

into interviews of the victims,

she could learn information

that could glean insight

into who this individual was.

Even though she was

only a consultant,

Ann was sent down there

to interview victims.

The fact that a lone

female came down

representing

herself with the FBI

led authorities there

to call the FBI to say,

"Somebody's down here

impersonating an agent."

It wasn't widespread

to have females in these roles,

so I can see where authorities in

Louisiana might be a little skeptical.

I felt very anxious to go out

because to be an actual part

of an ongoing investigation

was unusual for me.

The pressure I was feeling

was really a question of,

"Would I be able to

contribute to the case?"

And I could have just

gone in and said,

"What do you remember?

What can you tell me?"

But I chose to take it from

a more human standpoint.

How do you get someone

to trust you in an hour?

That's the hard work.

We had to explain to the

victim how important it was

for her to give us very

detailed information.

I told her that they were asking

because they wanted

to get the offender.

She's helping in this process,

and once she knew that, she

realized I really believed her

and she would give

out the information.

It took a great art to make

people comfortable enough

to be able to attest

to those things.

That was a really unique skill

set that nobody in the FBI had

and very few people

in the country had.

And a lot of it did

go back to, you know,

her early work with

victims of sexual as*ault.

It's quite loud. It's more

effective than using your own voice.

I think the women's movement

has drawn attention to r*pe.

Before, it was an

unspeakable crime.

We're saying that it is not

her fault that she got r*ped.

Ann saw this case as an opportunity

to continue to destigmatize

this idea of being

a victim of r*pe.

If we are r*ped, we don't

have to be humiliated,

we don't have to hide.

They were finding out how many

cases were not being heard,

were not even being reported.

So, in this case, women

were told to report it.

So, some of those barriers of,

you know, "Don't report"

finally weren't there.

There have been three r*pes

in the past four months.

Where there have been attacks,

police security

has been beefed up.

The more that these

cases were heard,

law enforcement can

learn from that,

and they could start

to take action.

When you can find new witnesses,

you're gonna find new stuff

and you think, "Okay, now

there's real possibility there."

Based on Ann's work,

the best way to get to

the heart of what went on

is to talk to the

surviving victims.

And why it was that

person was chosen,

that'll tell you something

about the offender as well.

The victim will actually

help you solve the case.

I realized that how he selected

victims, there's a similar pattern.

He would go after wealthy women,

and I always felt that

that was very important.

And what could I gain

from that information?

In the fall of 1981,

the escalation of the occurrences

was rapidly progressing,

but we were fearful

that one of these days

we were gonna have

a deceased victim.

When I came back to Quantico,

I gave the information on

the victim to the agent.

The agents have to figure out

what the characteristics were.

Age? Were they working or not?

Were they married? Were they

single? Who did they live with?

The behavioral things

that you could check out.

Even though Dr. Burgess

wasn't allowed in the room

for that profiling session,

the profilers

leaned on her ideas

to take all these

different inputs,

the crime scene, witness testimony,

interviews with serial K*llers,

and turned them into a

viable law enforcement tool.

Based on how long

he'd been active,

they classified him as a man

in his late 20s or early 30s.

His domineering behavior

showed that he saw

himself as an alpha male.

Twenty-five r*pes attributed

to the Ski Mask r*pist.

r*pe cases in five

Louisiana cities.

It started to be constant

reporting, almost weekly,

into Mississippi, into Texas.

We've been getting calls

from California, Wisconsin.

I had two calls

yesterday from Ohio.

Seventy different jurisdictions

across the United States

that were investigating

this crime.

Oklahoma, Florida, Ohio

His evasiveness and the

frequency with which he moved

showed that he was educated

and served in the military.

Nine states where ski

mask r*pes have occurred

may just be the

tip of the iceberg.

He did one attack in Columbus, drove

30 miles, attacked another woman,

and before the night's out, he is

in Virginia and then headed to Ohio.

Seventy-seven break-ins and

robberies in a dozen states.

Violence was becoming

an important part

of the offender's ritual.

Not violence as a tool to

overcome the victim's resistance,

but violence as pleasure.

He was taking broom

handles and hairbrushes

and violating women

with those items.

He was also taking

cigarettes and burning them.

We know that he

liked nice things

and he's profiting off

what he could steal.

And we thought that suggested

he would have a flashy car.

Finally, they were able

to get the profile out.

Authorities have been working with a

psychological profile of the r*pist.

The profile called an individual a

good looker who picks up women easily,

but is likely to beat them up

and is incapable of

long-lasting relationships.

That he most likely would

k*ll a resisting victim

and that he would probably

drive a fancy car.

And we were distributing, um, the

flyer all throughout South Louisiana.

- Assaulted a woman

- 137 r*pes

Three r*pes there October 29.

- In 17 states.

- r*pes in cities across

The brutal r*pes of

three family members

The center of a

multi-state crime spree.

In September, he had

actually shot a husband.

That told us, in fact,

this guy was ready to

take the next step.

As many as 130 r*pes in

cities across the nation

And I tried to pull it away

from my throat and he said,

"Don't touch my knife

or I'll k*ll you."

When I could dominate, it was

just exhilarating, I guess.

State police spokesman said the

investigation will continue

Seventy-seven

different assaults

When I realized that he wants

to be able to control me,

then he was gonna k*ll me.