01x04 - Zero-Sum

[bunniefuu]

[Nina] Can someone tell me what is going

on at the public prosecutor's office?

I want you to find out who talked

to that podcast for me.

Who convinced Sylvia van Maele

to keep her mouth shut?

-[Kim] The plane was connected to Heezink.

-Marcus!

[Kim] Marcus simply let the shipment go.

Great that you're there.

With Sylvia, it was always very, uh

-Hey, I'm trying to help here.

-[Sylvia] You're not helping me.

You're keeping me a prisoner.

-Uh, yeah, I thought that could help you.

-Ghost.

That's another good one, Ghost.

You have no idea about any

of the type of work that I do. Juul!

Would you like to see his bedroom?

We're looking for the name

of a company in Guernsey.

-[Lars] We have someone.

-[Marcus] Someone, what?

Someone who can testify

against Heezink.

[Sylvia]

He is one of many UBOs for Heezink.

[Rob] The reason

that our society is in such trouble

is that we, as young men,

learn that life is a zero-sum game.

[kids chatter and shout]

The Trumpian idea

that every deal needs to have a winner.

[yelling and chatting]

And by default, a loser as well.

[yelling]

[kid yells]

[Lars] That one looks pretty busted.

I keep gluing it,

but it keeps coming again.

-Do you ever get new shoes?

-No, just really old ones.

[Teo] Alright, bye.

[kids chatter and yell]

[Peter] Are you family?

No. I knew his mother. Hm.

Hm. Tragic, isn't it?

Yeah.

Ah. Hey, Sylvia.

Can we speak a moment?

I'm actually quite busy, Daniel.

Just for a minute.

Yeah.

Daniel, what's up?

Yeah, Sylvia, I was wondering if we could

have a kind of performance review soon.

-With me?

-Yeah.

-And why not with Marcus?

-Officially, I'm still working for you.

And what kind of performance review?

Well, like a mutual,

um, performance review.

-You want my performance to be reviewed?

-No.

No, our working relationship.

Well, our working relationship is

I ask you to do something and you do it.

Apart from making coffee.

Uh, except that I possess

some knowledge that I can't ignore.

-Know what I mean?

-What, now?

That you've spoken with the press, Sylvia.

Yeah, Marcus asked me to find that out,

but I figured I would come to you first.

Uh [chuckles]

[chuckles nervously]

Sorry, Daniel. I'm not laughing.

I'm Go on.

-You wanted to blackmail me?

-No. No, I don't want to blackmail you.

No? Sorry, then what were you doing?

I just wanted you to know that I know.

And then?

Then maybe you could involve me

a bit more.

I mean,

I don't want to involve Ed Koppers.

Listen, kid,

I'll be as clear as I can be here.

Ed Koppers and I are like this.

It may not look like it, but believe me.

It'd be very difficult to drive

the two of us apart. You got that?

-OK.

-Am I clear enough?

[soft chuckle]

Where is he?

[sighs]

-What time did we say?

-[Lars] Ten o'clock.

[door opens]

You had an appointment with Rob Visser.

-[Sylvia] Yeah.

-Uh, I don't think he's coming.

Why not?

[background chattering, camera clicking]

[cop over radio] Standby all units.

-[cop] Hello.

-Here, yeah.

OK.

[Lars] Yeah, thanks.

[Sylvia sighs]

Alright, who knew

that he was coming in to testify?

-Me and you.

-Yeah.

Kim. Daniel.

[Sylvia] Marcus.

[Lars] And Koppers.

[muffled laughter]

[Sylvia] It's not Koppers.

Impossible

[Sylvia] Sorry. I need to know where

the tip about Heezink came from.

That was anonymous.

-But I really want to know who it was.

-OK.

Alright, I understand you want

to protect your sources.

Oh, you mean that?

Your informant isn't going to be

in trouble. In fact, the opposite.

We might have a leak on our side

and your informant might know who it is.

Are we done yet?

[sighs]

[phone buzzes]

HEY, WHAT'S UP?

YOUR TIP CAUSED QUITE A STIR.

CAN WE MEET?

[Joep] I'm sorry, Martin.

This whole circus is all because

you got in trouble in Guernsey.

[Martin] I understand you can't see

past that. But it's going to be amazing.

Next week, half the world is coming here

to shore up the funding.

So everything is working on schedule.

It's already practically

they're standing in line.

I've heard the FIOD

is breathing down your neck.

Ah. You've misunderstood.

-Ah.

-It's exactly the other way round.

We're here because the prosecutors

warned me in time.

Of course, they need to rattle

some sabers now and then.

Pretend like they're on to me, you know.

But in the end, everyone here

knows why they're with me.

-We're close. Believe me. We're like this.

-Yeah, yeah. You've said that before.

But there were deaths in the Netherlands

and your name has come up

quite a bit recently.

I've told you 100 times, you shouldn't

do business with those lunatics.

That is basically going

to be a deal breaker.

I wish you success in your next

adventures, but we're getting out.

-There are penalty clauses.

-No.

Yes, there are, in fact.

We want our money back.

You can tell that to your friend

at the Public Prosecution Service.

-Right.

-I'd like a ride back to the airport.

[Livia] Hi, honey, can you get snacks

and wine this evening

when my dad comes to dinner?

Oh and, uh, can you also get

some mini pizzas for Enzo? OK.

See you tonight. Oh, and can you just try

to engage with dad when you see him?

Love you!

[exhales deeply]

Hey. You know where Sylvia is?

-[Daniel] Hey, Marcus.

-She went to see that witness, Rob.

Wasn't he coming here? Right?

[Kim] It got a bit complicated. He's dead.

But that's that's awful news.

Without his testimony

what do we have?

The money laundering

with horse sperm semen.

We can't prove that.

-If we get the right papers from Guernsey.

-If!

A judicial assistance request takes

months usually. Oh, what a total mess.

I told you it was far too premature.

Alright. I, uh

I've got to go.

I have an important meeting.

Hey. He's leaving now.

Yeah. That's what he said.

Uh, Sylvia, something else.

CV Edelweiss in Guernsey

has an address in the Netherlands.

Yeah. I think it's just a mailbox firm.

But would you like me to? Will do.

[buzzer]

GRAAFHOF 176, AMSTERDAM

THE NETHERLANDS

[door opening]

Hello, ma'am.

-Good afternoon.

-I'm looking for Martin Heezink.

Uh Sorry.

-Oh, sweetie.

-Sorry.

I found out he's been leading

a [sniffles] a double life

and there's several other women

he's seeing.

-[Kim sobs]

-Would you like some water?

-[sobs] Yeah.

-Yeah? Come with me, sweetie.

Come on. Come on.

[beeping]

But you don't have a key

to his apartment anymore?

I never did. He's got two places.

[sobs softly]

I just always believed what he said.

He fooled me so bad.

-[elevator] 21st floor.

-Such a shame.

So quiet here.

Yeah, I thought

I would move to a classy place

and enjoy my retirement

with other people my age.

But what a disappointment.

The whole building, top to bottom,

is completely empty.

I understand they have

to put their money somewhere,

but they should still let

people live here.

And when you do see someone, it's always

some Russian teenager on the run,

or someone's lying in the hallway

passed out drunk

and if you as much as try to touch them,

security is on top of you.

But oh, sweetie, I'm sorry.

-You're so sad and I'm just complaining.

-Oh, no.

I mean, it's OK.

Alright, here.

This is where the gentleman lives.

And that's where I live.

-You're neighbors.

-Yeah.

He's been my neighbor for two years,

but I hardly see him.

I'll wait here for a minute.

[doorbell chimes]

[Kim] Martin, are you there?

[old lady]

I don't think he's there, sweetie.

[Kim] Could you give me a call

when you think he's here?

[old lady] Sure I can.

Thank you.

Come on, Mops. Come.

[Lars] Well, that's Ellen Van Raat

of Trust Visions. We know her.

And who's that man?

That's Oscar Vlijmen, Dutch National Bank.

Well, he used to be.

He left after a big corruption scandal

a few years ago.

He's now on the board of Trust Visions.

Hm.

[sighs]

[background chattering]

I'll be very brief.

Offer's still on the table.

We can help you with all your problems.

We have a back office.

We've got legal aid.

Yeah, these are all things

you don't have on your own,

especially when the public prosecutor

is bullying you.

But listen, you will maintain

full editorial freedom, right?

Let's be clear.

You're a young woman of color

with an extremely successful

finance podcast.

Why would we want to interfere? Huh?

OK. I'll, uh I'll think about it.

Didn't you get purchased?

By the Belgians. A year ago. Yeah.

You know who's behind that?

Honestly, I wouldn't be able

to tell you, exactly. No.

Could you possibly get that

in writing for me?

Sure. You should be buying us,

not the other way round. [laughs]

[phone buzzes]

YOUR TIP CAUSED A STIR. CAN WE MEET?

ALRIGHT.

Shouldn't we really be leaving this to

the national investigation service, Syl?

No, we've got to be 100% sure first.

If one of us is corrupt, then

then that's like a nuclear b*mb.

But if we start an investigation

and we have it wrong

then it's the end of our careers.

[frustrated exhale]

sh*t.

-Young public prosecutor like that?

-Mm-hmm.

-What does a guy like that make?

-100,000, I'd say.

-100,000?

-More or less.

-You guys?

-Well, nowhere near 100,000. Jeez.

Yeah, hi, it's me.

Could you look up the real estate

tax value of a home in Wassenaar?

Yeah. Beekseweg. Number two.

Hey.

[door opens]

-So, then, here we are. Daniel, right?

-That's right.

-And you wanted to speak to me.

-I did. I, uh

[clears throat] Yeah.

I thought before we start,

perhaps we could discuss my position.

OK. And what position is that?

[exhales]

Hey.

Um

We know where he lives

and where he is.

Mm-hmm.

So, what are we doing?

What's the plan?

Follow him into the supermarket?

Go to his gym?

-Poke two eye holes in a newspaper?

-No.

Well, what, then?

[frustrated sigh]

Hello.

Hey, uh, yeah. I, uh

I've changed my mind.

I'd prefer to stay anonymous.

That's fine. Just keep it to phone calls?

I don't know if I can find you

any more information. I could still try.

But there is, uh, one name

that can't be mentioned.

Which is?

Ed Koppers.

Ed Koppers.

-You're not happy with Sylvia?

-I am. I am.

Very happy, but I've been asked

to betray a colleague of mine.

Well, as you can imagine, that isn't

winning me any popularity contests.

-Yeah, I think I can imagine. Yeah.

-Yeah.

I don't know how much longer

she'll be around here.

Oh, Sylvia will be here for a while.

We'll never get rid of her, I'm afraid.

[chuckles nervously]

-I've got to back. I got a meeting.

-Yeah.

What do you mean yeah?

[breathes shakily]

But what else would you want to do?

Junior public prosecutor?

Yeah. Or assistant public prosecutor.

You know what?

How about, first, you say what you came

to say and then we see what's next?

-And also

-Hm?

It's possible Marcus told Koppers earlier

that Rob was testifying today.

Yeah. So?

So maybe it's Koppers after all.

[distorted laughter]

-Are you being serious?

-Yeah, why not?

I already said it's impossible

that it's Koppers.

ED KOPPERS SON

[breathes shakily]

There was a break-in at my house.

My son lives there and now he's terrified.

Think about that. Jeez!

-Yeah.

-What do you mean yeah?

Oh, there he is.

Let me out. I want to get out.

I want nothing to do with this.

Get therapy together or something.

[sighs]

Sylvia.

[chuckles] Hey. Did you have

an appointment today with Marcus?

-Yeah.

-Would you like to wait inside?

[both chuckle]

[baby gurgles]

I'm sorry. It's a bit of a mess in here.

No. Don't even worry.

This is so fun.

Marcus talks about you a lot.

[exhales]

-Uh, would you like a drink?

-Yeah.

I have tea. I have coffee. I have wine.

-A cup of tea is fine.

-Yeah.

[Livia] I texted Marcus, but sometimes

there's a traffic jam at the daycare.

Oh, yeah.

[Livia] Do you take sugar in your tea?

No. No, thanks.

Marcus just texted me.

He'll be another 15 minutes.

The only thing is

I really need to feed the baby.

-OK, I'll just go home.

-No. That's not what I mean.

It's more like she has

a very precise clock, you know?

Like her dad. [chuckles]

Normally, I'd say I'll wait,

but if you don't mind

Oh, please, go, yeah. Go ahead.

-Well, have a seat.

-Thanks.

There's tea.

He really will be home soon.

Yeah

[kids chattering and shouting]

Hm.

They're going to be moving soon?

Did you know that?

No, I didn't.

Yeah. His grandparents are going

to take him back to Romania.

Nice for the kid, right?

Yeah, that's great. Yeah.

[Peter] Yeah.

Hey, buddy, we're not listening

to that song again, OK?

Because Daddy's heard it too many times.

We'll play it again some other time.

For now

[tires screech]

Oh!

[Enzo] What did you do?

[sighs]

[toots horn]

Come on.

TRANSFER +20.000,00

BANCO DI GESÙ TRANSFER +20.000,00

[breathes shakily]

[Enzo hums]

[Marcus] Let me send Mommy a message.

Honey, the wine and snacks, yeah,

how about we just have them delivered?

Or else I won't be home until tomorrow.

This is just

So I'm coming home now, OK?

I'll be there in two minutes,

so hide your lover.

[Enzo] Alright.

[Marcus] Honey! Are you with the baby?

[gasps]

[Enzo] Hello.

Hello.

-What are you doing?

-I'm cleaning up.

Enzo, will you go upstairs

and tell mommy we're here?

Enzo, uh

-Oh, hi. Hi.

-Marcus.

Did we have something or?

I have a case, uh,

that I really wanted to talk to you about.

OK. Um, can't wait till tomorrow?

Well, it it's kind of eating at me.

I thought we were supposed

to work together more.

Enzo, I already told you.

I don't want you going over there.

Come on. Play with the tablet for a while.

[Marcus] I'm sorry.

Just no scary videos.

-Yeah, uh, show me.

-Yeah.

Uh

Yeah.

[Joep] Look, I understand it's hard to get

a taxi, but I've been waiting all day.

[clears throat]

[door bangs]

-Well, this Yeah, that seems fine.

-It does, right? OK.

Hey, honey, you're here.

I kept texting you, but you didn't answer.

-Yeah, I'm sorry.

-[kissing]

Did you offer Sylvia anything, hm?

A glass of wine?

Well, I think

Sylvia was just about to leave.

Uh, actually, I wouldn't mind

a glass of wine. Sure.

-That'd be great. [chuckles]

-Ah!

-Lovely. [chuckles]

-Yeah.

[exhales deeply]

What are you up to now?

Nothing. It was nothing. I swear.

Were you going through my stuff?

No, no. I was, uh

I was just looking for

Do you know what's in there?

Do you know what happens if I lose that?

No.

-I I mean, yeah.

-Huh?

No, sorry. I was

I was just looking for ten euros.

You're looking for ten euros

so you decide to steal it from my bag.

Yeah, sorry. Uh, I was afraid to ask.

Why are you quivering so much?

Come here, you big dummy.

Come here, silly.

[sighs]

It's not that big a deal,

but will you promise in the future,

you'll just ask if you need money?

Hey? Huh?

[growls playfully]

[grunts]

[Marcus] Thank you.

I have wine!

[softly]

You really need to come now. Please.

-I'll I'll explain everything, alright?

-No, Sylvia. That's it. I'm done.

It's Marcus. [breathes heavily]

I've got the proof.

I have proof, Lars.

Four transactions in 2021 alone.

It was 80,000 in total from Malta.

Lars, he's the guy.

-Sylvia?

-Yeah. Yeah, coming.

g*dd*mn it.

[breathes heavily]

[toilet flushes]

[exhales deeply]

[sighs] Just one more glass

and then I'll be gone. [chuckles]

What exactly are you doing?

What do you mean? Nothing.

-There's one thing I've got to ask you.

-Go ahead.

-Your little Friday office happy hour.

-What happy hour?

Friday happy hour.

[chuckles]

I'd really like to join you guys,

but Marcus always says

it's only for colleagues.

Oh, of course! Oh, sorry.

Oh, no. No, you really don't want to go.

Happy hour at the office

is like sad hour.

[laughing]

-I paid Sylvia ten euros to say that.

-Yeah. That's right.

[chuckles] Yeah, you all cover

for each other very well, right? Huh?

[laughing]

[bell rings]

-[Enzo] Grandpa!

-Yeah, Sylvia.

-I think Sylvia was just about to leave.

-Yeah?

-[Oscar] Oh, you've grown up so much!

-Yeah.

-Well [sighs]

-[Oscar] So silly.

-[chuckling]

-Oh, wow!

-Wait a second. Sylvia van Maele!

-Huh?

-Enzo, go play for a bit, OK?

-[Oscar grunts]

-Hey, how are you?

-Hey. Well

Yeah, last time I saw you was Scotland.

You and Ed Koppers were on vacation.

-Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

-Oh, we just couldn't stop laughing.

-g*dd*mn it.

-[laughs]

I heard you weren't together anymore.

-No.

-I can't blame you. That man is so vain.

-[laughs] Yeah.

-[Oscar] Mm.

I mean, I love the guy,

but if you'd have to live with him

[both laugh]

Uh Uh

Are you're working with Chubby here?

-And you two are?

-He's my father-in-law. Yeah.

-Oh.

-[Oscar] So, are you his boss?

Uh, well, no. [chuckles]

We share a department.

She's a real firecracker.

You don't want to know.

[laughing]

You're not leaving, are you? Come on.

There's so much more I want to hear about.

Uh, I thought you and I were

going to talk.

[Oscar] Stop it, boy.

We'll talk money later.

You're not making

your boss leave, are you?

-[Marcus] Uh

-[Sylvia] Well

-In any case, that's career building 101.

-I'm really not his boss, you know.

[Oscar] Oh, I know that.

I just enjoy getting him all riled up.

Well

-[Sylvia] So, uh, how did you two meet?

-Who? Livia and I?

-Yeah.

-Same year at college.

That's right. How else could

a guy like that get a girl like her?

-Know what I mean?

-[Oscar and Livia laugh]

-Marcus is a kind of gold digger.

-[laughing]

[Oscar] Am I right? I am, right? [laugh]

[Marcus] Enzo, say good night to Grandpa.

We're off to bed.

You're off to bed?

[Livia] Don’t be mean to him, Dad.

He works himself to death.

[Oscar] That’s not good. OK, OK.

Listen, this afternoon, I told him

[Oscar] go to sleep already

to link to a law firm

and then he acts so awkward. Awkward!

[softly] Alright.

Here we go.

[exhales]

-[Livia] Grab that bottle in there.

-[Oscar] What were we drinking earlier?

-Yeah, I liked it.

-[Livia] It's nice, right?

[Oscar] Where is this one?

-I don’t remember where.

-A nice Rioja wine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

-Hm?

-He's tucked in.

-Mm. He's good?

-[Marcus] Of course.

I know that one.

It's from my Christmas basket.

-I remember. It's from me. Yeah.

-Really? He must've

[Livia] Marcus Right, it is.

[Oscar laughs]

-[Livia] Should we open it anyway?

-[Oscar] Yeah, let's try it.

Marcus?

Yeah, I get that. You've got

a different view, but that's fine.

My accountant calls me up. Right?

He says, uh, "Mr. Van Vlijmen,

here's the thing.

You should put some savings

in an account in a particular place.

Then instead of paying 50,000 in taxes,

you pay zero.

What to do? Right?

I'm very proper about it.

I say, "Listen, my good sir,

is that even legal?"

And my accountant says,

"It's totally legal."

It's like, "If you avoid paying taxes,

that means you're a criminal."

Right? Stealing,

that's what a thief does. Yeah?

And stealing, that's ill*gal.

What I'm doing isn't ill*gal.

Well, it is amoral.

Amoral?

[laughs] But you do want

to borrow money from me?

Amoral. What is that?

You live in a huge house.

"Can I borrow some money?" [laughs]

What kind of silly word is amoral?

[sighs] What kind of lawyer are you?

Does he whine like this at the office too?

-No, he's one the very best that we have.

-Hm. Yeah. [laughs]

And the youngest public prosecutor

in the department since--

-Ever. Right, honey?

-Mm.

-I'm not sure, if I'm being honest

-Mm.

[chuckles]

They're constantly trying to poach him,

but he never goes for it.

-That's something, at that age.

-Yeah. Smart guy. Definitely true.

Has to be,

if you want to get someone like this.

-[laughing]

-Yeah.

-[phone buzzes]

-[Oscar] Well

Rich and poor mix, they multiply.

That's one of the gains of our time.

Wonderful, isn't it?

-I'd better get going.

-[Oscar] Aw, no.

Yeah, yeah. [chuckles]

-[Marcus] Shall I show you out?

-Uh, yeah.

[sighs]

I'm sorry. I really will be leaving now.

Thanks.

[sighs]

[Sylvia]

What was he talking about back there?

Oh, that was, uh

Yeah, it's embarrassing.

So my father got into

a little bit of trouble financially.

Every Friday, I visit him

and drop off some groceries.

-Oh.

-Some cash.

I'm not supposed to,

'cause he's on benefits.

-You won't tell, right?

-[chuckles]

After my mother died, my father

got himself into some

some trouble. Borrowed a lot of money

through instant credit.

-You know about that?

-Mm-hmm.

You send an email.

There's no credit check.

And the next day,

there's 100 euros in your account. Sure.

But the next month,

you owe 126 euros back.

Anyway, by the time I discovered

that he was already down 80 K.

Yeah. When I approached the lending bank,

it turned out to be based in Malta,

-EU license and all.

-And the money, did they return it?

Yeah, they did. I got it back.

No, this was when I was, uh,

an intern for Ed Koppers.

And he made mincemeat out of those guys.

In total, 80,000?

-[soft chuckle]

-Yeah.

-[Marcus] Anyway

-Yeah.

-See you tomorrow.

-Yeah.

[phone vibrates]

-This is Kim.

-[old lady] Yeah, hi. This is Jet.

Jet, what's going on?

I think I heard something.

-Are you sure?

-Uh-huh, next door.

-That's what you asked, right?

-OK, stay there. I'm on my way.

[sighs]

[buzzer]

[woman] Hello?

Package for Ivanovski.

[beeping, door opens]

[pants]

Jet?

Jet!

[elevator tings]

[breathes heavily]

[elevator] 21st floor.

-[both gasp]

-God. Girl, you scared me to death.

-Where were you?

-Yeah, sorry.

She started to yip. She had to go.

-You said you heard Martin come home?

-Yeah.

Yeah, I I thought

I heard something.

-Yeah, but I could be mis mistaken.

-[Kim pants]

Hey, stop.

[grunting] Call the police.

[sighs]

[horn blares]

[breathes heavily]

Ah!

[grunting, groaning]

[cop] Police. Freeze! Freeze!

[pants]

[sighs]

So, I was wrong. It's not Marcus.

[chuckles]

When I'd just started, my team lead

gave me an assignment,

but this particular assignment

was very unusual.

I was assigned with a few others

to check families

with disability care allowances for fraud.

But I figured,

if they have done nothing wrong,

they have nothing to fear, right?

I mean, it's only a problem

if you're committing fraud.

Yeah. That's what I thought.

I just wanted to be the best,

to be good at my job.

-Mm.

-Get promoted. Focus.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, at the start of 2017

I took away the disability care allowance

of a Romanian mother.

Her neighbor had given her some groceries

and she hadn't reported any of it

and that is fraud.

So she lost her immediately lost

her home, job, everything.

And six months later,

she ended up k*lling herself.

Yeah. [inhales sharply]

Her little boy was left all alone.

And he [chuckles sadly]

he was only two.

And from then on,

I told myself I should never just do

what someone asks me."

Don't be forced into a tunnel.

If Marcus isn't the guy

Hello?

[Ed] In the kitchen.

Hey.

Hey, if you text me earlier, I'll make

sure there's something to eat .

-Where are you coming from this late?

-Nowhere.

Where's Julius?

-At home, with me.

-Oh.

I wanted to talk to you about Julius.

Because I'm worried.

Why?

Today, I caught him

going through my briefcase.

-Your briefcase?

-Yeah.

-Why'd he do that?

-Yeah, I'm not sure.

But he was going through my stuff

like a corporate spy.

What was he looking for?

Yeah, uh, well, I thought

maybe he's doing drugs.

Julius. Oh, no way. No.

-You don't know.

-I think he might just want money.

[soft chuckle]

-Oh, want some wine?

-No, no. Thanks.

-I've already had some, so

-So, where were you?

-Marcus's.

-Oh, how's that?

-Are you suddenly best friends?

-Yeah. Sort of.

-His father-in-law was there.

-Oscar. Yeah, he's a great guy.

Yeah. He's very vain, though.

We saw him in Scotland that time.

Remember?

We go way back. Went to college together.

-I didn't know.

-Mm-hmm.

Yeah, how do you think Marcus

got that job?

No, I've known him for 40 years.