01x03 - Episode 3

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This programme contains

very strong language and scenes

with violence from the start which

some viewers may find distressing

NEWSREADER: A week of shootings

have left many people in Liverpool

reeling with shock and feeling unsafe

in their community.

Ashley Dale shot and k*lled

in her own garden,

caught in the crossfire, not the

intended victim.

I, Niall Barry, wish to say as

follows.

I did not k*ll Ashley Dale.

It's in the road when the murders

happened.

We absolutely need to track that

vehicle.

That's going to be critical.

Merseyside Police say they won't rest

until those responsible for k*lling

Olivia Pratt-Korbel are behind bars.

Shock and disbelief is quickly

turning to anger

that such an awful event could

happen to a nine-year-old child.

Somebody out there, they know

who's responsible for this.

She said, "Well, I can tell you

who's committed this m*rder."

Can you tell us who that person was?

Tommy Cashman.

Armed police! Yeah, I know. Contact.

Contact.

Armed police, occupants in number

BLEEP.

Yeah, Thomas Cashman! What?

Your name is Thomas Cashman? Yeah.

OK, listen What? ..we're armed

police.

I need you to come to the front door.

Bring nothing with you.

If you do that, you'll come to no

harm.

My hands are gonna be on top of my

head.

OK.

Is anybody else inside that property?

Yeah. Who?

Just a friend of mine. OK.

Show us your hands.

Good lad. Right, look at me.

Look at me.

Look at me! Not him! Me!

OK, BLEEP.

Walk towards me. Do it now.

Slowly walk towards me.

Look at me now.

Look at me. Keep walking.

OK. Keep walking. I am.

Go on! Come on! Show us your hands!

Show us your hands!

ALL SHOU

Keep your hands where I can

see 'em, mate.

Who else in there? Just you two?

I've got nothing on me. Put your

hands behind your head.

OK. There you go. BLEEP.

Stay where you are.

Do exactly what you're told. Do you

understand what I'm saying to you?

What's going on, mate? Don't worry

about it.

You'll be spoken to in a minute,

just do exactly what you're told.

Stand up. What have I done? Go on.

Hands off my hips. I hate this

system one little bit.

Are yous arresting me?

What for?!

What are you arresting me for?

One count of m*rder.

For what? Two counts of attempted

m*rder.

Yeah, which is bullshit.

A load of bullshit.

A load of BLEEP sh*t.

Morning, everybody.

It's, uh, 9:40 in the morning.

Uh, really appreciate everybody

coming in this morning.

Just a significant update in relation

to the m*rder investigation of young

Olivia Pratt-Korbel.

We've made an arrest of Thomas

Cashman.

He's been named by numerous members

of the community

following appeals from the

investigation team

and also from two witnesses.

We strongly believe Thomas Cashman

to be the g*nman

and we just need to prove it or rule

him out.

I'm just looking right through your

face there now.

Not even looking at you, lad, just

looking through you.

Cashman, 33-year-old male.

He's been known to the police

and other law enforcement agencies

since 2000.

He's got 18 previous convictions,

mostly theft offences.

He has been to prison previously,

convicted of a drugs offence.

What are we waiting for?

I'm BLEEP good to go. I'm ready.

I've done nothing wrong at all.

I'm good to go.

So

Keep walking.

The offence, please? The offence is

m*rder. And the circumstances?

Enquiries conducted and community

information provided to date

has identified this male, Thomas

Cashman,

as being responsible for the m*rder

of Olivia Pratt-Korbel

and the attempted m*rder of Cheryl

Korbel and Joseph Nee.

It's a load of sh*t, nowt to do with

me.

I haven't f*cking done anything

like that,

committed no offences like what

you've just said.

I'm reading the circumstances

Yeah

and I'm just f*cking telling you,

having my f*cking say-so,

that's a load of sh*t and it's

nothing to do with me

and I haven't committed none of

them offences.

It's alleged and rumoured in the

community

that he's shot other people.

He's got previous convictions linking

him to serious organised crime.

Some of the offences for which he's

been arrested,

there's been no charges progressed

because witnesses and victims have

withdrawn their support.

He appears to be somebody that

commits crime

and gets away with it.

The focus today remains the

interviews,

but also locate the firearms

that we know have been used during

the sh**ting.

This interview is being conducted in

an interview room

at St Anne Street police station.

You've been arrested on suspicion

of m*rder of Olivia Pratt-Korbel,

the attempted murders of Cheryl

Korbel and Joseph Nee.

Can you tell me what your

involvement is?

Well, I've done a prepared

statement here.

All I'd like to say is I've got no

involvement at all

in any of these crimes that you put

forward towards me.

Nothing whatsoever.

I live in the area, brought

up in the area

..whatever the reasons, I've been

out in the area,

but I haven't committed no offence,

got no problem with any of the

people you just mentioned,

um, for the rest of the tape, I'm

going, "No Comment."

But I'm just stating clear

that I have got no involvement

in any of the crimes that yous are

putting forward to me,

any whatsoever.

Nothing to do with me.

So for the rest of this tape, I'm

going, "No Comment."

Can you try and help us by telling

us where you were then?

No comment.

If you can give us an alibi and tell

us where you were,

we can check it out

and this would be a relatively swift

process then, wouldn't it?

No comment.

OK

I would like to know where you were

on Monday the 22nd of August.

No comment.

Why is it you were waiting for

Joseph Nee around Kingsheath?

No comment.

Or, you weren't there?

No comment.

Are you in dispute with any family?

No comment.

When you were arrested,

you said, "You stupid c**ts, yous are

stitching me up

"just because I've got a little

track record."

Do you think we're trying to pin

this on you No comment.

..because you've been arrested for

serious offences before?

No comment.

Let's get back to Monday, the 22nd

of August.

Cheryl Korbel states that she was

at home.

At around 10:00, she heard a bang

TWO BANGS ECHO

..which she thought was a g*nsh*t

or a firework.

BANGING CONTINUES

She has walked down her path and

looked left

and she's seen Joseph Nee outside.

She then sees Male Two, the g*nman,

running after him.

She then runs back into her house

and sees Nee following her,

trying to get into the house.

Do you recall any of this, Thomas?

No comment.

She's trying to hold the door closed

and she hears the shots and feels

pain from her hand.

She realises she has been shot.

Cheryl stated that the g*nman

must have heard screams,

but he still continued to sh**t.

She was trying to hold the door

closed.

She hears Olivia shout, "Mum!"

and she uses her own body to shield

her from harm.

Then she hears a shot.

She then realises that Olivia is

unresponsive, gasping for breath.

Her lips are blue and she's taken

off her top

and realised that she's been shot in

the chest.

Is that what happened, Thomas? No

comment.

Are you responsible for the m*rder

of Olivia Pratt-Korbel?

No comment.

I'm now going to stop this interview

and the time is 15:55.

Any questions? No?

It's a reasonable line of inquiry to

arrest him, interview him

and conduct some searches around

some of the addresses

that were linked to him.

We're still missing the two g*ns

that had been used during the

sh**ting.

We're really anxious that we haven't

got them back.

And although we have a witness,

we cannot rely on her account

until we can rule her out as a

suspect

who has assisted the g*nman.

None of us can imagine the pain

the family must be going through

right now.

What's the latest with the police

investigation?

Police say a 34-year-old from

Liverpool

was questioned on suspicion of

Olivia's m*rder

and attempted m*rder.

Police say they're still trying to

build up that evidential picture.

They need solid information

which will stand up in a court of law

so Olivia's k*ller can be brought to

justice.

We've taken the decision,

following consultation with the

Crown Prosecution

relating to our evidence,

that we will bail Thomas Cashman.

The evidence isn't there to support

a charge at this moment in time.

A frustrating decision,

but based on the evidence that we've

got,

um, it's the right thing to do.

It's hard, isn't it? Bailing

somebody we believe to be the g*nman

back into the community

and more difficult explaining it to

Olivia's mum and dad,

which I will do later on this

evening.

Right, OK, you're going to be

leaving soon.

OK? You're going to be getting

bailed.

OK, yeah, just this one here.

You are not to enter the Merseyside

area,

uh, not to contact Joseph, Steven or

Jamie Nee

by self service or agent or any

other means

and not to have any unsupervised

contact with children.

Do you understand that, yeah?

Any questions?

No.

There's always a risk of releasing

people back into the community.

Fear is the obvious risk.

His presence in the community

will undermine confidence in

witnesses coming forward.

That bothers us significantly.

We also know that if the Nees

suspect that he's the g*nman,

there may be some retribution coming

back his way.

From the police point of view and

community reassurance,

it's a real challenge for us.

The tragic death of 28-year-old

Ashley Dale

has shaken communities in Liverpool.

Police say the attack was a targeted

sh**ting,

but Ashley Dale, she was a wholly

innocent victim.

We cannot have a society where

people accept other people

bursting into people's houses,

discharging firearms

and murdering young people.

I was quite young when I had her,

just 16.

I was still at school, just about

to do my GCSEs.

We grew up together. We were like

sisters. We really were.

So this is me and Ashley on her

graduation.

Proud moment. Proud Mum moment.

From being a young mum and then,

you know,

being writ off by people saying,

you know,

"Your kids will follow suit with

you."

She went to uni and graduated

and very Proud Mum moment.

It really was.

Ashley always had me harassed

for a baby brother or a sister

for a long time.

She got one. Nancy, who's 13 now,

and then that's little baby Connie.

She absolutely loved them.

What sort of a big sister was she?

She was great.

She really was. We could always

rely on her.

We could.

She was always there if we needed

her.

She'd always moan about it,

but, "I'm not here to be a baby

sitter!" she'd say,

but no, she would.

Drop of a hat, she'd be there. She

really would.

Yeah, she loved them

and they loved her.

They've asked questions in the

beginning,

so we told them what happened

because, you know,

you've got to tell them, it's all

over the papers,

it's all over the news,

you've got to be as honest as you

can be with them.

Um, yeah

And it's affected them.

Of course it has, you know?

Yeah, they're not the same kids

anymore

and I don't think they're ever

going to be the same again.

I really don't.

It's very important that these

people pay for what they've done.

It's not going to change anything.

It's not going to bring her back.

But at least I can rest assured,

you know, I can feel better that

they

They're paying for it,

that they're paying for this.

Good morning, everyone. Right, we'll

get started

and I will start as I mean to go on

with another thanks.

You're doing an absolutely

exceptional job.

Every time we move forward with this,

it's not me, it's yourselves that

are doing this.

Just that reminder, when we are

getting a bit tired

and we're working long hours,

it's just that reminder

that a 28-year-old female was in her

own home,

where she should have been safe

and has been shot dead

and we're doing it to find out who's

responsible

and take them off the streets with

those firearms.

Detectives believe Ashley's partner,

Lee Harrison,

was the intended target

after falling out with local g*ng

leader, Niall Barry.

We've got Niall Barry on his prepared

statement,

saying, "I stayed all weekend with

friends in a flat on Pilch Lane,"

and he wasn't prepared to disclose

any more.

So we've recovered CCTV

that covers the flat on Pilch Lane

by the shops.

The footage is being reviewed

to see if we can track Niall Barry's

movements.

In the days leading up to Ashley's

m*rder,

I've got Niall Barry going into the

flat.

Skip forward, later on,

on the evening on the 19th,

there's a number of males that seem

to come and go from that flat

and we can identify this taller

male as Niall Barry.

So we've got Barry returning and

remain there really

until the Sunday morning on the

21st.

That now all fits in with what Niall

Barry's said

in his prepared statement in the

interview.

Yeah. That's correct.

I've been reviewing the CCTV to see

if I can see the car.

The Hyundai that we believe is

connected to Ashley's m*rder

and I've found it.

Clearly the same make and model of

the one that we're looking for.

We can see these two males exit

that vehicle

and then walk down Pilch Lane.

One of these males, we believe is

James Witham.

He is known to police.

Intelligence suggests that Witham

works for Barry's OCG.

We have information about them

working together

and selling drugs in other parts of

the country.

It looks like county lines.

As you can see, obviously we've got

Witham here,

making his way to the flat

and there is another male that

we've picked up

as part of this footage.

He is seen going into that same

premises

and we have been able to identify

him as Joseph Peers.

We've got less information on Peers,

but he's coming and going with

Witham

and he's using that Hyundai car.

We've got the footage from the

night-time of the 20th.

This is around about 10:10 at night,

a couple of hours prior to the

m*rder

and about an hour prior to the

tyres being let down.

Not in the best quality, but it

does actually show

two individuals leaving that flat

and they cross over the road

towards where we believe the

Hyundai is parked.

The Hyundai's picked up a few

minutes later,

driving in the direction of

Ashley's house.

Another really key bit of footage,

on May 21st, so this is now

post-m*rder,

and we see two males return to the

flat on Pilch Lane.

Now we're aware that no other males

have left during that time

because that footage has been

reviewed.

So we're able to say that these two

individuals

are likely to be the two individuals

who left earlier on in the evening,

James Witham and Joseph Peers.

The only people that could have left

that flat,

because we've got them going back,

is Joseph Peers and James Witham.

Yes. And so the only two people at

that time

that have got access to that Hyundai.

Absolutely, yeah.

So we need to find that car and

arrest Witham and Peers,

because whoever was in that car was

responsible for Ashley's m*rder.

Let's take you live to Liverpool,

where Merseyside Police are giving

an update on their investigation

into the m*rder of Olivia

Pratt-Korbel.

I'm going to hand you over

to Detective Chief Superintendent

Mark Kameen,

who's our head of investigations.

Good afternoon and thank you once

again for your time today.

Now, I recognise that people will

wonder and question

why no-one's been charged.

I understand fully the thirst

for information

around this terrible crime.

Please be patient with us.

The investigation is progressing.

We have now identified the types

of weapons

that were used by the offender.

One of those g*ns is a GL*CK 9mm

p*stol.

I can now confirm that this weapon

has been used

in a total of three separate

incidents across Merseyside

in a two-and-a-half year period.

The detectives involved in bringing

justice for Olivia and her family

are working tirelessly to find these

g*ns

and I'm determined to take these

weapons off our streets

before they maim or k*ll again.

Our kids have got to grow up into

this place.

We want them to be safe and not fear

for their lives

when they're walking to the shops

or even in their own home.

It's truly frightening and our city

needs help.

Sarge, I've just had a text from

this person in Dovecot

and she's basically said, Cashman's

been seen on a push bike.

She's basically querying, why is he

allowed in the area?

So I've been out to get some CCTV.

Detectives investigate a report

that Thomas Cashman has been seen

on the Dovecot estate,

in breach of his bail conditions.

There he is. Push bike.

Would you say that's him?

Yeah.

He's still on the streets.

He's not trying to hide himself.

So then

..why is he doing it?

Maybe he wants the community

to see him.

He wants to continue to instil fear.

We've arrested him.

We've kicked him out of the area.

And he's saying like, "Well, I'm

still here."

"I'm still doing what I want."

"Nothing's changed for me, so

nothing's changed for you."

So Yeah.

Why not go and arrest him for

breaching bail conditions?

What we've got is, we've got him on

footage on a bike,

cycling past the road

and that's all that we've got

at the moment.

It'd be different if he was calling

at addresses that are witnesses.

So it's a judgement call on which

way you go with it.

Is it a difficult judgement call?

Yeah. Yeah, it is,

because your automatic reaction is

the same

as what any member of the public

would be, is

"Well, let's go and get him back

in."

"Let's lock him up and get him

off the streets again."

But how's it going to affect the

long-term goal of a conviction?

Do you think he feels a bit

untouchable?

Oh, yeah. Definitely. Yeah.

He thinks he runs them streets,

sees himself as some sort of, like,

Robin Hood character.

We've even had around times with

Covid

and times when there was

restrictions on,

he was going out in the community,

going to local shops, going to

butchers.

He was buying food items for people

that were struggling in the area.

It reminds you almost like of,

like, gangsters in the old days

where,

you know, like Capone and all them

type of ones,

where they'd stand at the end of

trucks and throw food to people.

That's almost like what you get

from him,

but all them people have got

that other side to them

where if you get on the wrong side

of them,

it's very different.

We've been busy.

We've reviewed the account of the

female suspect

and she said Thomas Cashman went back

to her home address

immediately after the m*rder.

Key update from yesterday.

She's no longer a suspect.

She's been subject of NFA.

We had the decision ratified by the

CPS,

so she is now a witness.

We hope that she will step away

from the jeopardy of being a suspect

and she will be able to give us more

detail

in relation to exactly what happened

on the night in question.

..the suite where we're going to go

into.

Right, if you want to take a seat

there for us.

The witness is asked to give a full

account

of Thomas Cashman's visit to her

house

on the night of Olivia's m*rder.

OK. Where do you want me to start?

Wherever you feel comfortable to

start, that's where we'll start.

So I was in my room.

I just remember being asleep and

being tapped on the leg.

I could just see him with his hands

in his hair.

He's like pulling his hair.

He's, like, pulling his hair,

saying, "It's Tommy, it's Tommy."

"Wake up."

And then I could just hear him say,

"Get me a pair of pants."

He didn't have nothing on.

He just had boxies and socks.

So I've just picked up any pair

of pants.

I know they were a new style

of, er, Under Armour.

And it's got the Under Armour

badge on

..I think it's the left leg.

I said, "I've gotta phone my fella."

And he's like, "No! No-one can know

I'm here."

But I've still made the phone call

and I've just said,

"Look, Tommy's here."

I couldn't really understand what

he was saying.

He like, stutters, like, he was

stuttering.

Something like, someone Someone

was coming for him.

He said, "I didn't know where else

to go," or something.

He trusted me.

And then my fella's come up the

pathway.

I just heard, "Joey Nee."

"Lad, Joey. I done Joey, lad, I

done Joey."

I don't know. Something

Something along them lines.

And that was Tommy saying it to

your fella. Yeah.

And he was outside? As he was

outside

in the front garden, yeah.

The way he was talking, it was

It was very stuttering. It was very

nerve.

He was very nervous, you know what

I mean?

I've never seen him like that.

I I felt like there was

something wrong.

I didn't want to question him

because he can get agitated and

very angry,

so I didn't want that on me at that

time,

especially the way he was.

I didn't want to ask the questions.

In a couple of minutes, the back

door's closed.

Tommy's came up.

He went to put his hands up to me

and I just went like Like,

I touched him

and he's just squeezed my hands a

bit as he's walked out.

Why do you think he'd come to your

house?

He told me that he trusts me.

He didn't know who else to trust, is

what he said to me.

So your history with him,

just tell us about that.

He started coming, right,

I'm not going to be precise

with dates,

around

..2019.

He was just coming into the house

with me fella

and a few of the lads,

they were having a little joint one

time.

So he was your father's mate

initially then?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He started coming

to the house.

It was just always every day

sometimes.

It'd be morning time, about 10:00,

because we used to always watch BBC

One.

We used to love all, like, the

fraud, all that stuff.

And he'd always turn up early.

He'd be asking me if I was OK.

No-one in my life has ever

asked me if I was OK.

No-one.

I've had to grow up, like, literally

in a click of the fingers

and look after everyone else around

me.

To me, it was like an angel came

and asking me or listening to me in

what I had to say.

So he'd messaged me, "Do you feel

what I feel?"

Or something like that.

And I was just like, "Why do your

eyes undress me all the time?"

And he just came round.

And that was the first time that we

slept together.

After that it was on-off for a

couple of months,

but we weren't sleeping together

every other time.

It was like, I just

I got obsessed with him, like.

We knew nothing would come of it

because we knew we couldn't.

I'm really hurt by him

because I honestly seen him as a

good friend to me.

He's jeopardised everyone else's

life

just to save his own back.

And it's all doing my head in

because I'm losing everything me

now.

Just because of what he done that

night,

it's really done me head in.

The reason why I'm doing what I'm

doing

is because I do not want that woman

to feel,

the little girl's mum,

I don't want her to not have them

answers.

It could have been anyone that

night.

It could have been anyone, anyone's

house

and it's her little girl at the end

of the day.

It just took real moral courage to

come forwards.

This is a key breakthrough in the

investigation.

However, we do know that she's

fearful and frightened

and we will do everything we can to

keep her safe.

A warrant is issued to arrest Thomas

Cashman for a second time.

Open up the door. Police!

Police! Police! Police!

Get down! Give me your hands.

Give me your hands. Give me your

hands!

OK. Right, he's detained.

Watch out! There's kids in here.

What's your name?

Thomas Cashman, you know what my

name is.

Stand up.

Watch out! There's kids in here.

There's kids in here.

My kids are in here and yous

are coming in like this.

You're under arrest

for the m*rder of nine-year-old

Olivia Pratt-Korbel

on the 22nd of August. Something I

haven't done, completely.

You don't have to say anything, but

it may harm your defence

if you do not mention when

questioned,

something you later rely on in

court.

Oh, OK Anything you do say may be

given in evidence.

Do you have any reply to that?

No, I don't. It wasn't me.

Like I've said before, it wasn't

me. You've got an innocent man

"It wasn't me, like I said before.

I've got an innocent man." Sound.

I'm a family guy, always have been.

Come on. I love you, lad.

Come in here and take a seat.

Oh, my God. Like

Last time I was there, yeah, yous

are arresting me.

What the f*ck's any different from

the last time yous arrested me?

Nothing.

I told yous last time There will

be something.

..it wasn't me. I'm telling you

this time, it wasn't me.

OK, don't get yourself agitated.

Just stating facts.

I hate you, the pair of yous.

You, you're a prick.

And you're a f*cking prick as well.

Both yous are f*cking arseholes.

Put that on the camera.

I don't need to, it's recording.

Yeah, sound.

Make sure you go home and f*cking

play it to yourself

and realise you are a f*cking

arsehole.

OK.

All right. No worries.

And you ma'am. Thanks. Bye.

..off. Sick of that bullshit.

The offence, please? The offence of

m*rder.

Olivia Pratt-Korbel.

The tapes are rolling.

I'm downstairs watching the, um, the

interview. OK.

All right, Thomas, this interview is

being digitally audio recorded.

You were arrested and cautioned.

And your reply to caution was, "It

was not me."

One of the reasons why you've been

locked up

is people have put your name in the

inquiry

to say that you're responsible

for sh**ting Olivia Pratt-Korbel,

the attempted murders of Cheryl

Korbel and Joseph Nee.

What I'm gonna go through now is a

witness statement.

Now, she said this.

She says that around 10:38 at night,

30 minutes after sh**ting,

she was asleep in bed.

She woke up to someone tapping her

leg at the bottom of her bed.

And you're standing there in your

boxer shorts,

asking for clothes.

What is your relationship?

Thomas?

When was the last time you spoke

to her?

Is she someone you can trust?

Is that why you went round there

half an hour after the m*rder?

You said, "Get me a pair of pants."

"Then I gave him some pants."

"He was in his boxies and shorts. He

was stuttering."

"He was saying someone was coming

for him."

"He had a source and someone told

him."

"He went to do something before they

did something."

Did you attack Joseph Nee before he

got you?

Is that what happened?

Is that what you're referring to

there when you said?

..when you were in her house half

an hour after the m*rder

and she's heard the word Nee?

It sounds to me like you've

..confessed

..or certainly admitted to some sort

of incident with Joseph Nee,

half an hour before.

Are you watching your back, Thomas?

Was the reason that you've gone

after Joey is to protect yourself

because you were frightened?

She goes on to say that you'd said

you'd dropped the stuff off

before coming to that house.

She thought you meant g*ns.

So the two g*ns that we talked

about in the last interview,

had you already got rid of them?

We searched your home address

..and we have seized a number

of items.

So image of Exhibit BTJ

So it's a pair of Under Armour

trackie bottoms.

These are jogging bottoms.

I find it a coincidence that there's

g*nsh*t residue

on the jogging bottoms that I've just

shown you.

There's traces of g*nsh*t residue

because it gets everywhere.

It's like a cloud of dust.

You can't get rid of it.

It's on them,

it's on the couch that you were sat

on

..and that's because you fired them

four shots.

That's because you were the g*nman.

That's because you were lying in

wait for Joseph Nee.

That's because you chased

Joseph Nee into the Kingsheath.

That's because you m*rder*d Olivia

Korbel.

The game's up, isn't it, Thomas?

This is it.

This is where it ends now.

This is where you stand up and say

what your involvement is.

Or are you going to remain silent?

That's Olivia Pratt-Korbel.

A nine-year-old girl

..who was in her bedroom.

A nine-year-old girl who was

so scared

that she came running out to the

landing

to see her mum,

who had opened the door to try and

help somebody.

All she wanted to do was see her

mummy.

She ran downstairs to see her.

Cheryl tried to shut the door

and you stuck your g*n in and shot

inside

to try and finish off Joseph Nee.

And you have hit Cheryl in the hand.

And that's gone through and k*lled

Olivia.

Do you not like that?

Is that too much?

Do you not think Cheryl deserves to

know who shot her daughter?

Who m*rder*d her daughter?

Did you m*rder Olivia Korbel, Thomas

Cashman?

I've got no more questions.

Anything to eat?

Thomas Cashman, I've come to charge

you.

OK?

You're charging someone who's

innocent.

I've done nothing wrong.

OK.

I'm gonna charge you with the

following offences.

On the 22nd of August at Kingsheath

Avenue, Liverpool, Merseyside,

you m*rder*d Olivia Pratt-Korbel.

No, I didn't.

No, I didn't.

On the 22nd of August, 2022,

you attempted to m*rder Joseph Nee.

No, I didn't.

Got that?

And on the 22nd of August at

Kingsheath Avenue, Liverpool 14,

you attempted to m*rder Cheryl

Korbel.

No, I didn't.

I didn't do none of them offences.

We will see you in court.

Yeah, we will.

To clear my name.

OK.

The Crown Prosecution Service has

authorised Merseyside Police

to charge Thomas Cashman

with the m*rder of nine-year-old

Olivia Pratt-Korbel

on the 22nd of August, 2022.

Our thoughts are with Olivia

Pratt-Korbel's family at this time.

How do you feel about a witness

coming forward?

Very grateful.

Yeah, it's huge, you know, a

valuable witness.

You know, hopefully that ensures we

get the conviction that we need.

That's It takes a lot of bravery

to do what she's done. Um

..but at the end of the day, it's

the right thing to do.

Liverpool do stick together. Yeah,

they do.

One of their own gets Yeah.

..gets hurt, they stick together

and You're going to have a

minority

that are going to protect these

perpetrators.

You will have. You're going to get

that.

But I think the majority,

definitely, in Liverpool, are

..they're good people.

They stand up for what's right.

Do you think that played

a part here with the witness?

Yeah. Yeah, without a doubt.

It's her conscience that's got the

better of her.

She's had to say something

because

..it'd have only

..put her through more pain.

Guilt would've ate away at her,

wouldn't it? Yeah.

The guilt would have ate her.

Cashman says he's innocent and he

will fight this in court.

If he's any type of man,

he'd admit what he's done.

Which makes him not a man.

Merseyside Police hunting the k*ller

of 28-year-old Ashley Dale

have released CCTV footage

of a car seen in the area before the

m*rder.

Police want to trace a grey Hyundai

car

spotted in Page Moss and Dovecot.

These are people who are

thoughtless, mindless, callous

and are prepared to break into a

house

indiscriminately sh**ting a firearm

and k*ll an innocent woman.

So we've got two suspects here on

Operation Perth,

which is the Ashley Dale m*rder,

a James Witham and a Joseph Peers.

Detectives investigating the k*lling

of Ashley Dale

have received information about the

possible whereabouts

of the two men wanted for her m*rder.

A firearms team is sent to intercept

the car

they are believed to be travelling

in.

It might have just passed us in lane

two.

It was a black Audi Q7.

RADIO: Yes, received, thank you.

There it is. There it is. That was

it. Lane two then.

That was it. Lane two.

It just passed Tebay and it was

going at some speed.

Lights on.

Gear shifts, going for the stop now.

Vehicle slowing. Hard shoulder.

Stand by.

They've just pulled it.

ON RADIO: They've got two that I can

see.

Just stick your hands where I can

see them, pal.

Put you in some handcuffs. Yeah, one

about that side.

All right, mate?

I'm gonna put you in cuffs, mate.

All right?

Peers and Witham. Fantastic.

Right

James? All right. OK.

You're under arrest for suspicion

of m*rder. All right?

You don't have to say anything

but it may harm your defence if you

don't mention when questioned

something you later rely on in

court.

Anything you do say may be given in

evidence. All right?

Just meeting my mate, lad. Meeting

in the lay-by?

The size of the footwear is

important for us as well.

Footprints have been filed from the

scene.

Size eight-and-a-half

left by the offender as they fled

the scene.

Can you give us an indication of

what size trainers they're wearing?

Size seven for the one I've got

arrested, Peers.

What size foot are you, mate?

Eight. Eight?

Eight for Witham. Seven for Peers.

So these two work for Niall Barry.

And if they carried out the attack,

it would be for him,

but we need something from them

that links back to Niall Barry.