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01x04 - England: The Witchfinders' Cruel Crusade

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Witches: Truth Behind the Trials". Aired: September 29, 2024.*
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01x04 - England: The Witchfinders' Cruel Crusade

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July 1645, it's a

hot summer's day,

middle of a market town

of Chelmsford in Essex.

There's always a kind of

carnivalesque atmosphere,

people selling souvenirs

and food and drink.

And this is the

day of the Assizes,

so this is where the

judges arrive from London.

There are 50

counts of witchcraft

which are going to be heard.

This is going to be England's

largest ever witch trial

up to this date.

The witches have actually

been brought there in shackles

through the jeering crowd.

These are women

who are going to be dirty

and ragged and terrified.

They will resemble

the crowd's expectations

of what a witch might look like.

And the courtroom

is an open space.

It's full of spectators,

it's full of people who

might be shouting things.

It will be noisy, it will

be hot, it will be smelly,

it will be a vile place to be.

And at the centre of

this terrible maelstrom

of accusation and

cruelty is Bess Clark

on trial for her life.

She's a middle-aged woman, a

single mother, a

woman who is disabled.

It's said she only has one leg,

so she'd be leaning on a crutch.

Elizabeth Clark,

a pitiful figure,

watching her are Matthew

Hopkins and John Stearne,

self-made witch finders, the

men who brought her there.

The interrogation of a

woman called Elizabeth

Clark really kick-starts the

investigation of witchcraft

that Matthew Hopkins

is associated with.

March 1645.

Rumours spread through

the town of Manningtree

that a disabled

woman, Elizabeth Clark,

has used witchcraft to

harm the wife of a local tailor.

Magistrates

decide to investigate

and send interrogators

to her home.

They search Elizabeth's body

for strange and unnatural marks.

The idea of searching

women's bodies

was the idea of searching

them for a witch mark.

What they were looking for was

a mark on the body of the woman

which indicated the point at

which the woman's familiar demon

had suckled her blood

like a breastfeeding baby,

but blood, not milk.

So they search

Elizabeth Clark's body

and they find three teats which

they consider to be unnatural.

So Elizabeth Clark is

held under house arrest.

There are watchers, local

people who are appointed,

who will just sit and

stare at her as she

sits there on her chair,

and what they're really

waiting for is for her

imps to come and visit her.

Ordinary people

associated bad magic

with the activities

of nasty spirits

that were variously described

as puckles or imps or sprites,

and in the biblical language

of English Protestants,

became known

as familiar spirits.

The watchers will

take Elizabeth Clark

and walk her up and

down until she's exhausted,

because it would be an

exceptionally cruel and

unpleasant thing to do to

somebody who was disabled.

So I think with these

whole combinations of

methods clearly

intended to break her,

and by that I mean for

her to lose any sense

of control or agency,

and I think these methods

create extreme emotional stress,

physical stress and exhaustion.

All of these together

have the impact that t*rture

is designed to have, which

is to make people say what

the torturers need them to

say or to confess to things

that are not true.

So there's this incredibly

dramatic scene taking

place in this room

with the watchers,

Elizabeth Clark,

who hasn't really said

or done very much.

So then on the fourth

night of Tuesday 24th,

Hopkins and Stearne arrive

and take over this interrogation

of Elizabeth Clark.

So Hopkins is

probably in his early 20s,

Stearne a little bit older,

maybe in his mid-30s.

He's got young children.

Hopkins is a rather more kind of

impetuous young man in a hurry,

eager to prove himself,

less established in society.

They are minor gentlemen

that have come from

the port of Manningtree

where Elizabeth Clark lives,

and they have followed

some of the suspicions

that have been voiced to them

by the townsmen of Manningtree,

who then ask them to

do something about it.

The thing about

Hopkins and Stearne,

they're not professional

witch-finders.

They've only really

just started out.

But what they profess

is that they have

experience in witchcraft.

They start interrogating her,

seems quite unforthcoming,

and they're just about to

leave, and as they leave,

Elizabeth Clark suddenly

makes this extremely

dramatic announcement,

which is, "I will show

you my imps, for they

be ready to come."

That then changes the

situation in the room.

If you're there in the

dark, alone with a witch,

and she says she's going to

bring demons into the room,

naturally enough, if you

were a good Christian

in the 17th century,

you were scared.

So once Elizabeth Clark says,

"I'll show you my children,

they be ready to come,"

then this parade of

animals enter the room.

So first of all, you

get Holt, who is a cat,

and then you get Jamara,

who is a white dog,

then Vinegar Tom, who

is a strange kind of hybrid

between a greyhound and

seemingly an ox or a bull,

and then various other

creatures that then follow on,

and this leading up

to the rabbit or a toad,

which Elizabeth Clark

says is going to leap

down John Stearne's throat

and lay toads in his belly.

We're not really clear

what's happening here.

Is this Elizabeth describing

the familiars that she sees?

Did people in the room

really see something?

If so, what?

Did an animal run

through the room?

Was it shadows?

What was it?

So this is a witch

who's really kind of

warming to her own

theme, because now she's

presenting this

picture of absolute

phantasmagorical terror,

which is probably more than

Hopkins and Stearne want to

hear, because they're no longer just

the disinterested

bystanders, she is actually

threatening them directly.

So that then Hopkins

and Stearne start asking

more questions about,

"Are you not afraid

of these creatures?"

And she says, "Why

would I be afraid of them?

These are my children."

So then, you know, if these are

her children, who is the father?

Well, of course, the

father, she says, is Satan.

She says that, you know,

he's a fine gentleman,

he wears a lace collar,

that, you know, their

lovemaking takes place

regularly and lasts half the night.

You know, this sounds like

this kind of sexual fantasy

of a lonely woman who

doesn't have a husband,

doesn't have a lover.

And, you know, whether

she believes this or not,

she's certainly saying

the kinds of things that

Hopkins wants to hear,

because, of course, these

are deeply horrific,

terrifying things

for a woman actually to

have had sex with the devil.

[Marion Gibson Elizabeth

says not only that she is a witch,

but that some of her

neighbours are witches as well.

By the time her

confessions have finished,

and she's subjected to

several rounds of questioning,

she's known four or five

other people from surrounding

villages as witches.

It's difficult to say why she

accused the people that she did.

In some cases, they

do already have a bad

reputation for witchcraft.

I think one of the horrifying

things about witch trials

is that you feel it could

happen to anybody.

Some of these people come

across as being actually quite pious.

So all these women

will soon be interrogated

and will start confessing

to such crimes as

causing harm to

livestock, to consorting with

familiars, and to taking

the devil as a lover.

The trial comes

round in Chelmsford.

It's been four months since

Hopkins and Stearne first

interrogated Elizabeth Clark.

And by this time, we've

got at least 30 women being

held in Colchester Castle.

The women are all

brought before magistrates.

That's the first step

in an English witch

trial in this period.

And then you, and the

statement that you have made,

whether it's a

confession or not,

are sent off for trial at a

court called the Assizes,

which is the court for

serious crimes in the period.

In front of the whole

gathered court, the

jurors, the witnesses,

the magistrates, the

ministers, everyone present,

Elizabeth Clark is found

guilty of witchcraft and

sentenced to be hanged

by the neck until dead.

After Elizabeth and the other

women have been sentenced,

they're marched through the

town of Chelmsford to their death.

14 women are taken

up to the gallows,

led up to the ladder

and choked there before this

great jeering, excited crowd.

Hopkins and Stearne

would have been very

pleased with this outcome.

They'd got a number of

people ex*cuted as witches.

Hopkins and Stearne,

whatever they intended

to do, they're now

actually a witch-finding duo,

and people look to them

as professional witch-finders.

They believe that

they're on a mission,

and their mission is to root

out devilry in the community.

So they are zealous,

they are also ruthless,

because they believe that

the stakes are incredibly high.

This is the godly future

of their community

and the region of the country

which they believe is at stake.

After their recent success,

Hopkins and Stearne

travel farther into

Essex with plans to hunt

the evil witches

they believe are

terrorizing the country.

But travel across

England is dangerous.

The country is deeply divided

as a brutal civil w*r rages.

What the civil w*r

does is break down

structures of authority.

The courts stop working

as they normally do,

magistrates and judges

can't travel to courts,

and therefore it becomes

a bit of a free-for-all

in English justice.

It became possible for men like

John Stearne and Matthew Hopkins

to some extent take

matters into their own hands

and to set themselves

up as witch-finders.

So the English civil

w*r breaks out in 1642

and this is the battle between

Crown and Parliament.

So Charles I is the

king, he's claimed that he

is an absolute monarch,

he doesn't need Parliament,

Parliament think otherwise.

But this is, like all

civil wars, turns the

country upside down.

It is, of course, the most

dramatic constitutional crisis.

In that context, there was

much talk of the devil

because the devil for both

sides was the secret instigator

of the mischief.

The political tumult of the

civil w*r made many people think

that this was the

start of Armageddon,

and that in that

context of fear,

you get all sorts of strange

omens and apparitions

and miracles and happenings.

So the London pressers

pour out all kinds of pamphlets

and weird and wonderful

stories of things that

people have experienced,

such as a one-eyed kitten

with the hands of a child,

which seem like evidence that

the world is coming to an end.

That's the kind of

world in which one would

expect witches to appear.

brutally extracting

confessions from accused

brutally extracting

confessions from accused

witches in welcoming towns.

You've got to understand

exactly what Hopkins

and Stearne are doing

in these communities.

They don't convict anybody,

they don't execute anybody,

they don't even

really accuse anybody.

What they do is that

they are facilitators

who listen to the

suspicions of local people

and then encourage those

people to come forward

and to tell their story.

And then what they do

is they develop methods

for gathering

pre-trial evidence,

and it's in that capacity

that they question suspects

and t*rture suspects.

They are not averse

at all to physical

violence, particularly to

starving people of sleep.

Hopkins and Stearne travelled

around the country

with a team of women employed

to search the naked bodies

of witchcraft suspects to see if

they had demonic marks on them.

They also prick various

marks with needles

to see if they bleed

or to see if they're

insensitive to pain.

I think they were obsessed

with the idea of women's bodies.

I think they were troubled

by women's sexuality.

The number of times that

they find demonic marks

in what they call the

secret parts of a woman

is quite striking.

We're dealing with

very, very

patriarchal societies,

societies which see women

as inferior, as more sinful,

and also women

have less legal power,

they have less economic

power, and so they are less

able to defend

themselves if they do get

suspected or accused.

I think that kind

of dehumanising

allows all sorts of public

shaming, public blaming.

It's easy to demonise

women and justify t*rture.

Hopkins and Stearne

are actually very brutal.

I think they see

themselves like soldiers,

and of course there are

untold acts of brutality

which are being committed

in the name of both

the side of Parliament

and the Crown during

the ongoing civil w*r.

They start using methods

which are really ill*gal,

and t*rture is only used

in English law in very

exceptional circumstances.

They're not

permitted to do this,

but again, the Hopkins

and Stearne feel that the

ends justify the means.

Hopkins and Stearne, their

fame spreads accordingly,

particularly amongst

communities which have been,

some of them,

waiting for a generation

in order to have the

confidence to get rid of

the people in their

midst who they sincerely

believe to be witches.

July 1645.

Hopkins and Stearne leave

Essex and push north into Suffolk.

People would have

received Hopkins and Stearne

as authoritative figures,

so they would have

brought letters with them,

perhaps from magistrates,

perhaps from other people

saying that their work was good

and that the village or town

they'd come to should help them.

When Hopkins and

Stearne go into Suffolk,

they hear confessions

that are similar to those

that they've heard in

Essex, but if anything, they're

even more fantastical.

Some of these Suffolk

confessions give us a sense

that they are part of

the fantasy of rather

lonely, love-starved women.

Stories like Margaret Wyard's.

Margaret lived in

Framlingham in Suffolk,

and she confessed

that many years before

she had met the devil

in the form of a calf.

Surprisingly, the

calf could speak

and he asked Margaret

to have sex with him.

And there are even more

men accused as well.

Men tell rather similar

stories to women

about the way that

they met with the devil

and that they formed

the blood pact with Satan

and then familiars came to them

and that they sent the familiars

out after their enemies.

Suffolk is a triumph for

Hopkins and Stearne.

Their reputation as formidable

witch-finders continues to grow.

They separate to

cover more ground.

This parting of the

ways reflects their

different character

and their different

circumstances.

Stearne is a slightly

older family man,

he wants to go back

to his young children,

whereas Hopkins has this

real sense of himself

as the witch-finder,

this charismatic

witch-finder who can ride out,

and he does, on

this great lonely trek,

probably around 300 miles

as he goes up into Suffolk,

into Norfolk, down the

east coast of England

and then back round

again in a great circuit.

One of the reasons he

becomes a witch-finder in 1645

I think lies in his

upbringing and his childhood.

So he's born in

around about 1620.

His father, James Hopkins, is

a university-educated minister.

And so Hopkins is growing

up in this sense of Puritanism

and the things that

threaten Puritanism.

His father dies in the mid-1630s

and his widowed mother,

Marie, moves to Manningtree

and she marries the minister

of Mistley and Manningtree.

So I think he would

have grown up

with a very strong sense

that there were things

that threatened godliness

and that godliness needed

to be protected at all costs,

and even if that meant

actually a kind of an

aggressive counterattack

against the things which

threatened that sense of

purity in English religious life.

And witches were

certainly a part of that.

In fact, witches were

really the standout emblem.

I think people respect

Matthew Hopkins

when he arrives

in their communities

because he has this

swagger, he has this charisma.

He is able to persuade people

that he does have authority

and particularly he

has experience which

they don't have.

He's quite skilled at

psychologically understanding

what is in the minds of accusers

and possibly what's in the

minds of the accused as well.

He must have created

a climate of enormous

fear in those communities

that were waiting for him,

having told him to come to

their town and search for witches.

The scale of the witch

hunt that Hopkins and

Stearne are fomenting,

jails absolutely crammed.

We have reports that

there are as many as 150

witches are in the jails and

witnesses coming forward,

all these bizarre stories.

They do cause

concern in Parliament

that justice is possibly

not being done.

This isn't scepticism

about witchcraft,

but it is scepticism about

correct legal procedure.

And so witch-finding

does raise some eyebrows.

One of the key

concerns that's voiced in

Parliament at this time

is word that an ordained

clergyman has been

arrested for witchcraft.

It still surprises me

that John Lowes,

the vicar of Brandistown

in Suffolk, becomes

a witchcraft suspect.

He's a Church of

England clergyman.

He's not an ex-clergyman,

he's not a member

of some obscure sect.

He's the clergyman who's

served that community for 50 years

and yet he's still a

victim of witchcraft.

He's a victim of witchcraft.

He's the clergyman who's

served that community for 50 years

and yet he's still

accused of witchcraft.

John Lowes is aged

about 80 at this point.

He is deeply disliked by some

members of his congregation.

Some of his parishioners

absolutely hate him.

They've been in

court cases with him.

They feel he's a very litigious,

a very problematic minister.

Some of the parishioners of

John Lowe's think they've got this

opportunity now because of

the witch-finding to finally get rid

of this minister who

they really don't like at all.

I think Hopkins rather

assumes John Lowes' guilt.

He certainly sees him

as a disreputable person.

He's subjected to the same

cruel methods of interrogation

by Matthew Hopkins as

any of the other suspects,

so his age and his gender

and his status don't protect him.

Hopkins and others

come to him and question

him and they watch

him and they walk him,

as they have done

with the other suspects.

Their special method

of t*rture, which they

don't consider t*rture,

but which, of course, is.

And he's famously swum

in the moat of Framlingham

Castle in Suffolk

and this was a method

by which alleged witches

or suspected witches

were put into some body of

water to see if they sank or swam

and if they sank,

they were innocent.

If they swam, the idea

was the water was sort

of spitting them out and

saying they were guilty.

It was yet another of the

random and

monumentally silly efforts

to provide actual forensic

evidence for witchcraft.

People often think there's

a kind of catch-22 here

that meant that

you died either way.

We know that people

were tied to a rope,

so the idea that if you

were innocent and you sank,

you could be pulled

out of the water.

It's a bit like being

waterboarded,

like literally half

drowned in the water and

then dragged up again.

And, in fact, actually, nobody

wanted the witches to drown

because that would

have been m*rder.

What they really wanted

to do was to have this

piece of public theatre where

somebody was either, you

know, proved to be innocent

or, more often, that they

were shown to be guilty.

But, again, it becomes part of

the theatre of an investigation

against a suspect which will

get people behind the accusation,

even if that actual test itself

is not officially sanctioned.

It was really one of

the most shocking and

brutal interrogations

that Hopkins oversees

during the campaign.

John Lowes floats,

and therefore it

seems like he's guilty

because the element of

water is rejecting him.

One of the strange things about

the swimming of John Lowes

is that in order to

underline his guilt,

some other people jump

in and show that they

actually sink to the bottom.

It's a sort of a kind of

control experiment, really,

to show that actually

it isn't just a case that

everybody would float,

and this really is a way of

underlining John Lowes' guilt.

People are enduring pain

that carries on for a long time

may say whatever they

need to for that to stop.

So, he admits he's a witch

under this pressure.

He lifts up his tongue

and he shows that there

is a teat under there,

that's what's reported,

and that's where he

feeds his familiars.

And he says he sends

his familiars to cause

all sorts of havoc and

destruction, mayhem.

A ship sailing off the

coast is sunk, and all the

sailors on it have drowned.

And this, he says,

he rejoices in.

There will now be

a reckoning for him.

After his wild confession,

extracted under brutal t*rture,

John Lowes is dragged to a jail,

filled with others

accused of witchcraft.

News of the vast

numbers awaiting trial

reaches Parliament.

They intervene, keen to ensure

the prosecutions are handled

in accordance with English law.

The end of July 1645,

and Parliament sends

a special commission,

a special court of Oyer

and Terminer, it's called,

which will go out to Suffolk

to oversee the trials there.

It's a measure that's

put in place by Parliament

to meet this emergency situation

of this unprecedented number

of witch suspects,

because the courts normally

are just not set

up to deal with this

incredibly high number

of accused individuals.

Parliament's probably

also trying to get control

of the situation as well.

I think they feel that the

witchfinders are perhaps

getting a little bit out

of hand in their efforts.

Trials are set for August

26th to deal with the cases,

it's said, of as many

as 150 witches,

and, of course, the

star witnesses will

be Hopkins and Stearne.

I think there's always

going to be a point at which

Hopkins and Stearne's

methods are going to hit against

what is actually

permitted procedure.

The court does try to

limit some of their more

excessive activities, so,

for example, it says you

mustn't swim witches any longer.

Confessions mustn't

be forced, there mustn't

be these superstitious

extra-legal methods,

and that also the

communities that are

producing these accusations

are going to actually have

to cover some of the costs.

So this serves as a kind of

rebuke against Hopkins and Stearne

for everything that

they've been doing,

and particularly the way in

which they've been doing it.

Inevitably, they're going to

come to the attention of those

who don't agree with

them, and therefore that

they are going to find that

there'll be enemies who are

throwing rocks in their path.

Despite murmurs of opposition to

the witch-finders' methods,

John Lowes is still

brought to the stand to

face trial as a witch.

The thing about the court

of Oyer and Terminator

is that it's not

skeptical of witchcraft,

it's only skeptical

about certain methods,

and, of course, there is

evidence against John Lowes.

Villagers have sort of dirt on

John Lowes going back for years,

so this does become

very convincing to the jury,

even if some of the methods

are disapproved by the judge.

In the end, it's the jury

that is going to decide.

And the jury decide that

the evidence is sufficient

to find John Lowes

guilty of witchcraft.

So I think we can imagine that

John Lowes must be in a state

of utter exhaustion and despair.

The judge passed the

sentence of death upon him,

which he has, of

course, he has to do.

And then August 27th,

John Lowes mounts the

ladder up to the gallows.

But John Lowes, as a minister,

asks that he can conduct

his own funeral service.

An act of defiance

against the witch-finders

who had brought

him to his death.

I think he was showing

that he was still a

minister of the cloth, that

he wasn't a witch, that he

was trying to sort of

consign his own soul and the

soul of the other people

being ex*cuted with him.

He's not giving in to

the court's guilty verdict.

He's saying, "No, I'm

not guilty, I'm not a witch.

"I'm still a minister of God

who can perform this sort of

necessary ritual as I am dying."

So there's a tremendous

amount of public

interest in these witch trials.

Some of it is enthusiastic

and supportive,

some of it's rather skeptical.

But a lot of this is passing

through the London presses,

so there are pamphlets,

there are printed ballads,

which are in fact about witches,

and there are also what they

would have called news sheets.

This is spreading the

news of the witch hunts.

As his fame increases,

Hopkins continues his

hunt, stopping in the

coastal town of Aldborough

before pushing into Norfolk.

All towns in England,

including Aldborough,

are under very significant

economic pressure,

because of the w*r.

High taxes have been levied,

horses have been requisitioned,

all sorts of property

has been requisitioned

by the parliamentary

forces, so that everybody is

strapped for cash.

This is bubbling under at the

time of increasing convictions,

increasing witch trials,

increasing numbers of

witches in the jails.

It's just this sense of,

"Can we afford this?

"We should pay for it," and is

this money being well spent?

In Aldborough, seven people

are accused of witchcraft.

At their trial, five

months later, all

seven are found guilty.

But the executions and Hopkins'

fees cost a staggering £40,

one-seventh of the town's

entire annual budget.

So the evidence we have

is that Hopkins

stays in local inns,

he runs up a tab, not

excessively, just really

for bed and board,

but, you know, still

costs that someone is

going to have to meet,

and that will always

be the local authority,

and the local authority will

pass it on to the local people.

It becomes an

expensive procedure,

just the execution of

a witch costs a pound,

which is a lot of

money in those days.

These costs do

start to build up.

I think there's not really

actually very much evidence

that he was extracting

huge amounts of money

from local people.

I don't think he's really even

doing it for glory.

I think he's doing it because

he feels it's his religious duty.

He was put on this

earth to go after witches.

Hopkins, to some extent,

is the victim of

his own success.

The more he does, the

more his fame grows,

the more work he gets,

but this inevitably is going

to attract adverse comment

about the things that he does.

You start to feel that Hopkins

is going to run out of time

and political support.

As Hopkins and Stearne

move further away from

Essex and Suffolk,

people are a bit less

keen on their methods,

they're a bit less keen

on their intervention.

So by 1646, their efforts are

being met with less enthusiasm,

and this is particularly

the case with a man

called John Gaul.

He's also a Puritan minister,

and basically John Gaul

is very, very critical

of the witch-finders.

He doesn't want them

coming to his parish,

he doesn't want them

encouraging his parishioners

to name witches.

He thinks they're

uneducated upstarts

who have no authority

or training to do

what they're doing, which

is kind of actually true.

By 1646, John Gaul

is one of many men in England

who wants this world

turned upside down

that England's become during

the Civil w*r to be righted again.

So he wants proper procedure,

proper social relationships,

proper law and order.

Witch-finding to John

Gaul represents the

worst kind of example

of men exploiting the

breakdown of law and

order for their own ends.

So what John Gaul

does is he preaches

against the witch-finders

and against witch-finding,

and then he publishes the

sermons that he's preached

against the witch-finders in a

book called Cases of Conscience,

and it's really a very

impassioned criticism.

He never names them

as Hopkins and Stearne,

but, of course, everybody

knew who he was talking about.

And he basically says they're

whipping up popular fanaticism,

they have no real expertise,

no warrant for what they're doing,

they're acting illegally.

By this point in 1646,

there's a lot of adverse opinion

which is being spoken

of in gossip networks,

but some of it is also

finding its way to print,

not just John Gaul,

but there are also

comments made by

others about the fact that

witch-finding is out of control.

So the First Civil w*r

ends in June 1646.

The Civil w*r ends with a

parliamentarian victory,

meaning that Parliament has

assumed authority in the country

and it no longer rests

with the king, as it has done

in all the previous centuries

that people can remember.

Soldiers start returning,

the economy's been

severely disrupted,

there is great poverty

and dislocation, there's disease

spreading as well,

and so England is still

in a considerable state.

Things become more dangerous,

in a sense, than they were before.

Soldiers come

home from the front,

they find their families

have been disrupted,

some will find their

relatives have been ex*cuted.

Hopkins and Stearne are

in a pretty difficult position

as the Civil w*r

comes to an end.

So Hopkins is invited

into the town of Kings Lynn.

It seems that he is

actually welcomed there

like some kind of

conquering godly hero

and feted in the streets.

But there are eight who

tried and six of them acquitted.

It's very difficult to know

exactly what happened.

It may well be that the jury

themselves were skeptical,

not of witchcraft, but

of the methods and the

evidence which were used.

So this is deeply

humiliating for Hopkins.

And then in 1647, some

of the magistrates in Norfolk

begin to question what Hopkins

and Stearne are doing as well.

There are even more acquittals.

This is a sign that the

magic, the glamour,

that he has in getting

convictions seems

to be running out.

Things have become very

difficult for him indeed.

Some local gentlemen,

he says, have drawn up a

list of questions for

him, which they present

to him at the assize.

So one of the questions,

for example, asks if

he is a witch himself.

It says, "Well, if you know

so much about witches,

"surely you are a witch too."

A lot of the questions he's

asked are about his methods.

People say to him, "Are

these people not just confessing

"because you've put

words into their mouths?

"Are you not just

confessing because you

keep them awake all night?

"Is this not incredibly cruel?

What are you trying to do?"

And he does find it very hard

to answer those questions.

He just restates over

and over again the thing

that he's been saying,

presumably for months,

which is that these

are effective methods,

they've been authorised

by justices of the peace,

by the magistrates.

He's asked very

specific questions

about why there is this

particular sexualised obsession,

why there is this particular

obsession with motherhood.

What is it that Hopkins and

Stearne are fretting about

when they strip women naked

and get other women to examine

them for demonic marks?

That's quite a dangerous thing

to be asked in front of a court,

which is holding a witch trial.

What if, heaven forbid, they

start walking and watching him?

This is the beginning

of the end for them.

Not only are his days as a

witchfinder coming to an end,

but so is his life.

By the time that Hopkins

writes a self-defensive pamphlet

against the charges

that have been put to him

by the gentlemen of

Norwich, he's probably dying.

Probably from the

start of the witch hunt,

he's almost certainly

been suffering from

consumption of the lungs.

There's always a possibility

that Hopkins already knew

that he was dying and

that there was an added

urgency to his work.

He's in kind of legacy

mode, he's already realising

that his time is up and

he needs to actually make

this his lasting statement

about the sincerity of

his motives and what

he was trying to achieve.

I think it really

got to him, those

questions, and he wrote the

book as a response to that.

It's called A

Discovery Of Witches.

It has a lovely woodcut

of Matthew Hopkins

and the witches

and their familiars,

and it's really that that

cements his reputation

as an important man of his time.

It's that book and

it's that one picture

that makes us remember

him the way we do.

It was organised in a sort of

a Q&A method.

It's sort of a criticism

and then his response to it.

So it's very clearly structured.

This is what they said about

me and this is how I'm responding.

The tone of the book

is extremely self-defensive,

rather embittered, I

think, that such things

should be said against

him when actually Hopkins

believed that he was

a sincere godly warrior

whose only motivation really

was to root out wicked witches

from East Anglia's communities.

We simply don't know how

many copies were printed or

how many copies were sold,

but with the subject matter

and with this garish illustration,

I think we can assume

that it was actually

a bit of a bestseller.

Shortly after he

publishes his book,

Matthew Hopkins dies.

He dies very young,

probably still in his 20s.

It's a very quiet end

to a very noisy career,

a quiet death of a young

man, tragic in its own way,

in a small village, but

it does bring to an end

the witch hunt that he and

others had started in 1645.

Matthew Hopkins,

after his death,

becomes a kind of a folk devil.

Partly, I think, because of that

famous woodcut on his book,

The Discovery Of Witches.

Hopkins has been called

many things over the years -

the Napoleon of Witch-Finding,

the Foulest Of Foul Parasites,

the Grand Inquisitor.

But the name with which he

will be associated for all time

is the name that he

gave himself, and that was

Witchfinder General.

After Matthew Hopkins' death,

he was quite widely mocked.

Many people did not agree

with what he had done,

and even to his supporters,

it must have seemed that his

crusade had ended in failure.

John Stearne outlives

Matthew Hopkins,

even though he's probably an

older man, and he goes home.

And he certainly felt

he'd been hard done by,

and he felt under threat

as a result of his death.

He felt under threat

as a result of his

witch-finding activities.

He regards himself as

somebody who's been

cancelled and silenced,

and that's the last that

we hear of him protesting

from his village home.

There never are

again persecutions in

East Anglia on the

scale of the Hopkins trials.

In that sense, it

does kind of go away.

Hopkins is a one-off.

What you find is that

across the whole of the

16th and 17th centuries

in England, we know about

1,000 trials happened

and probably around

about 500 executions.

But the extraordinary thing

is that a quarter of those trials

happened in East Anglia

in the years 1645-7.

So in East Anglia,

which amounted to 300,

people are interrogated

and questioned,

and 100 of them are ex*cuted.

We always know the names of

Matthew Hopkins and John Stearne,

but it's also really

important to remember

the names of the people

whose deaths they orchestrated.

So names of people like

Margaret Moore of Sutton

or Rose Hallibred

from St Osith in Essex.

Ellen Driver, Mary

Scrutton, Margaret Wyard,

Mary Vervey, Priscilla

Collett and Elizabeth Clark.