(drink trickling)
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(glasses clinking)
- [Narrator] Darcy Weir is
an independent researcher
and filmmaker who has
traveled around the world
to study the UFO phenomenon.
- [Darcy] Back in August
of 2020, under a shroud
of secrecy, the UAP task
force was clandestinely brought
into existence
within the shadows
of the enigmatic US
Department of Defense.
The purpose of the
UAP task force,
to delve into the enigma
surrounding reports
of unidentified
aerial phenomenon.
Those elusive apparition
like flying objects,
more colloquially
dubbed as UFOs.
Surprisingly, rumors were abuzz
in the intelligence
community of military encounters
with craft that
demonstrated transmedium
capabilities.
In 2021, the intelligence
community had a widely
circulated
report of UAPs that were
photographed in years prior.
One said object
that was included
in the report was
photographed in 2019
by an F-18 fighter
pilot and described
as a large equilateral triangle
with rounded or blunted edges
and large perfectly
spherical white lights in each
corner.
This triangular craft was
said to emerge from the ocean
and then began to
ascend straight upwards
at a 90 degree angle.
UAP that have
originated in the ocean,
that have been described
by navy submarines
and other personnel within
the military have been described
by the UFO community for decades
as USOs, unidentified
submerged objects.
You know, that the fact
of an object not seemingly
being affected by going
from one medium, air to
another medium, water.
There are cases of these
objects entering without a
splash.
Sometimes there is a
splash, sometimes there isn't.
It could be whether a
certain field is on or not
though,
and not necessarily
slowing down at all
when they enter the water.
- [Darcy] The United
States Navy secretly classifis
USOs
as fast movers, which
display remarkable speeds
and agility beyond
the capabilities
of known human
made submersibles.
These sightings and
detections have peaked the
interest
of the UAP task force,
and it seems they have
been cataloging the transmedium
capabilities of these objects
for the intelligence
community and the DoD.
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The story begins with the
GoFast UAP video and NASA's-
- UAP evidence.
But part of our
statement of task is
to assess the scientific
analysis techniques
that are available and
how we might use them
to determine physical
constraints on UAP.
You know, the UAP reports
with the most detailed
contextual information are the
ones
from the Navy aviators
with known separation
in time, you can figure
out how far it moved.
And in this case, this
object moved about 390 meters
in 22 seconds, and
that corresponds
to a velocity of just
40 miles per hour.
This is a parallax effect case.
Thank you.
- My questions regarding
this phenomena led me
to American Oceanographer
and retired rear
Admiral, Tim Gallaudet.
How long did you serve for
the Navy and worked for NOAA?
- I served in the
Navy for 32 years,
and I then worked for NOAA
after that for about
three and a half years.
- While you were serving
in the Navy, you had an
encounter,
well, you witnessed
something while aboard a ship
or while were you at,
you know, a Navy office
when you saw this video?
Right, so I was in my office
and the situation was,
I was the commander
of all the US Navy's
meteorologists and
oceanographers.
And so my job was
to oversee them
and they deployed on
various ships for training
and for operations.
And during 2015, the Navy
was conducting a large exercise
off the US East Coast
involving the USS Theodore
Roosevelt.
And I received an email on
the Navy's secret network,
and it was from my boss at
US Fleet Forces Command,
the operations officer
that worked for him,
two star Admiral,
overseeing this exercise
and the title
of the email was "Urgent
Safety Of Flight Issue."
And in the body of the
email, he was very brief
and said, "If any of you,"
and there were about
20 other admirals,
and one and two stars addressed
that were under the US
Fleet Forces command,
"If any of you know what
these are, tell me ASAP
because we're having
numerous near mid-air collisions
and we might have to
cancel the exercise."
And attached was the now
famous and leaked GoFast video.
(static hissing)
- [Official] Tango, six
one, Tango, object (indistinct).
- [Official 2] Oh,
got it! (laughs)
- [Official] Roger,
there's trouble sh**ting
(indistinct).
- [Official 2] You
got smoking target.
- No, I took an auto track.
- Oh, okay.
Oh my gosh, dude. Wow.
- [Official] What is
that, man? Look at it fly.
- Of course I was
surprised, but I knew then and
there
that we didn't have
technology that could do that.
And I knew it wasn't an
adversary's capability
because that was a
US training range,
which is strictly controlled
and we would not have
allowed any ship, foreign ship
to deploy something like that.
And so we had monitored
that range very strictly.
And so I received that
email and I knew then
that this was likely
extraterrestrial origin
that people have long
speculated about.
And I called in my deputy,
he was a senior civilian,
and he and I spoke
at length about this,
and we were surprised, but
a little bit not surprised
because of all that's
been coming out.
And the more interesting
thing is the next day it was
wiped
from my computer and my deputy's
and everybody else
who was on the email.
And so I knew then
that I surmised
that this must have
been in some kind
of compartmented program
and that this two star
admiral had sent it
to us, he didn't know about it
and then whoever was in
control of this program found
out,
and they of course
withdrew all the information.
And what was interesting
to me though is I was the
chief meteorologist in the Navy,
and my job was safety of flight
for whenever air
operations are going on
that my meteorologists
were forecasting for those.
And so this was a real
top priority for me.
And I could not-
- [Darcy] Like flights
off of aircraft carriers,
flights off of whatever.
- Airfield off the
land airfield training
or aircraft carriers, both
in training events like this one
or deployed overseas,
which I have done.
I've served on a Navy
aircraft carrier.
And so what what
was surprising is
that I met with my
commander and his staff
and all the other
subordinate commanders
that were on this email
thread every month.
And the next meeting
and the next, the next,
none of this was
ever talked about.
I mean, we almost canceled
a major exercise required
to deploy overseas
to the fifth fleet.
And these are so
structured and the timing is so
compressed
that to do so is
a real major deal.
The four star knew for sure.
He probably reported to
the chief of naval operations
and no one ever talked about it.
I couldn't believe it.
But again, I figured it was
in some intelligence
communities black program
and that's why no
one talked about it.
But then, you know, after
I got outta the Navy
and the government, that's
when I began speaking up about
it
and it had already been
leaked in the New York Times.
- Okay, so this was
2015, you saw this.
You were in service.
Do you think the gentleman
within the Navy who shared
that email got
reprimanded for doing so?
- Oh, I have no way of
knowing. I doubt it.
This is a real fine
officer with impeccable
integrity.
He was just doing his job
and well, I mean,
so I would not know.
But his boss was a very,
I won't name names,
but the four star
who was his boss,
US Fleet Forces
commander, no matter
what intelligence
community official, he woulde
stood
by his people.
He was a great leader.
I highly doubt it.
Because, I mean, his
boss, the four star,
he would never reprimand
him for something like that.
That's doing his job,
safety of flight.
- But you knew that it's
in the middle of the ocean.
It's not a drone because
drones need more fuel
and more, let's say battery.
- Well, it was a
small circular object.
It had none of the
features of any of the drones
operating
in the US inventory or
any of our adversaries.
So it's definitely
not a human made drone
in the appearance of it.
- Yeah, could have been a
non-human intelligence drone
though, for all we know.
- Well, now we know after
this historic hearing.
Yes, in all likelihood, it was.
- I'll now recognize Mr.
Graves for five minutes
for your opening statement.
- Thank you, Chairman
Grothman, ranking member Garcia,
distinguished members of
the House Oversight Subcommittee
on National Security,
Representative Burchett and
Luna.
My name is Ryan FOBS Graves,
and I'm a former F-18 pilot
with a decade of
service in the US Navy,
including two deployments
in Operation Enduring Freedom
and Operation Inherent Resolve.
I have experienced
advanced UAP firsthand,
and I'm here to
voice the concerns
of more than 30 commercial
air crew and military veterans
who have confided their
similar encounters with me.
In 2014, I was an
F-18 Foxtrot pilot
in the Navy Fighter Attack
Squadron 11, the Red Rippers,
and I was stationed at NAS
Oceana in Virginia Beach.
After upgrades were made
to our jet's radar systems,
we began detecting
unknown objects operating
in our airspace.
At first, we assumed
they were radar errors,
but soon we began to
correlate the radar tracks
with multiple onboard
sensors, including infrared
systems,
eventually through visual ID.
During a training mission
in warning area Whiskey-72,
10 miles off the coast
of Virginia Beach,
two F-18 Super Hornets
were split by a UAP.
The object described as a
dark gray or a black cube inside
of a clear sphere came
within 50 feet of the lead
aircraft
and was estimated to be
five to 15 feet in diameter.
The mission commander
terminated the flight
immediately
and returned to base.
Our squadron submitted
a safety report,
but there was no official
acknowledgement of the incident
and no further mechanism
to report the sightings.
Soon these encounters
became so frequent
that aircrew would
discuss the risk
of UAP as part of their
regular pre-flight briefs.
- And there were many
of them, by the way.
- Ryan Graves was saying
that these were showing up
on your sensors for days.
- Right.
In fact, this was the exact time
Ryan Graves was flying.
He was flying off the
Theodore Roosevelt
and so these were the
objects he was seeing
when he was flying.
- Do you think the Navy
knows, like generals
and servicemen are
well aware of UAPs
or USOs, unidentified
submerged objects in our oceans?
- I've talked to a
few retired officers
who have seen sonar
signatures of these
that can't be explained by
anything made by our navy
or our adversary navies.
And so obviously there's
a working level knowledge.
It's not throughout the fleet,
but there are known occurrences.
I also have been talking
to this growing community
of experts, people like
Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon.
I've even published an
article with Chris Mellon
and they know and have
interviewed people
who seen these objects either
on their sensor
data or visually.
- Mr. Fravor,
do you believe
that you witnessed an
additional object under the
water
in relation to your encounter?
- I will say we did
not see an object.
There was something there
to cause the whitewater,
and when we turned
around, it was gone.
So there was something
there that obviously moved.
- Okay, but it was not
the same object though
that you were
looking at, correct?
- No, we actually joked
that the Tic-Tac was
communicating
with something when we came back
and because whitewater
disappeared.
- Obviously, you're
very interested
in what's going on
in our oceans, right?
So have you ever heard of
the term being discussed
by even these retired navy
men of what's called fast
movers?
- I have.
And no, I can't confirm
there is an official
program like that.
I don't have working
knowledge of it,
but I've talked to people
who do, and I'll just say that.
- Technically anything
they've spoken
to you about is
completely classified
and you're not at
liberty to discuss that.
- Right.
And look just like all
the UAP information
that Dave Grusch has
been coming forward with,
so that right now, all of
that has not been disclosed.
- It's classified.
- Yeah.
- Do you have any personal
knowledge of people
who have been harmed or
injured in efforts to cover up
or conceal these
extraterrestrial technology?
- Yes, personally.
- Have you heard
anyone been m*rder*d
that you know of or
have heard of, I guess?
- I have to be careful
asking that question.
I directed people
with that knowledge
to the appropriate authorities.
- Maybe if we could get it
in a confidential area of
SCIF, we could talk about that
but unfortunately, we were
denied access to the SCIF
and that's very
unfortunate in this scenario.
- In the pursuit to uncover more
about a supposed
fast mover program
within the Navy, I was led
to Mark D'Antonio, an
astronomer photo and video
analyst
for MUFON Mutual UFO Network.
Mark would share with
me his experience
with a USO while aboard
a navy submarine.
Now, I heard through the
grapevine that you had a
experience
with what some people call
a fast mover in the Navy.
- Yeah, I can tell
you about that.
- Can you tell me
about first possible
like navy encounters
with what are described as USOs?
- Yeah, I mean, USOs
are really important
unknown submersible objects.
And that what happened
years earlier in the Atlantic
Ocean.
Decades ago, that's
plural, decades ago,
I was doing some work for
the Navy, I still do work
for the Navy, and I
was asked if I wanted
to go on a submarine for
a little trip so I did.
And while on that sub,
that one only time I ever went
on a sub for this trip,
I got seasick of course,
because I'm not a sailor.
And so when I got on the
boat, I was just hoping
to keep my stomach intact.
On the surface, they roll
like you can't believe, you
know,
especially when there's a
storm passing through, hello.
But when they're
underwater, it feels like this
right here.
You don't know you're moving,
then you might feel
a little vibration.
Okay, it goes through your feet
as it changed water
temperature or whatever, but
that's it.
So once we were smooth, I
went and sat in a sonar shack,
which is four consoles.
The first console was manned.
The second console, third
and fourth were not.
I asked if I could
sit in the second
and they said, "Yes, just
don't touch anything."
"I won't touch it."
And so I sat there trying
to regain my stomach
and I sat there like this going,
okay, don't throw up
on the captain's shoes.
We're gonna have
dinner with 'em later.
Oh God, I don't want
to eat, you know?
And so the nature of a
submarine is that it's noisy
inside.
You hear air.
- All the motors and machines.
- There are all
kinds of machinery.
And of course the
navy prides itself
on not letting that
noise get out of a hull.
So I sat there and
that constant din
of white noise was
actually putting me asleep.
So I ended up just nodding off
and all of a sudden I'm
awakened by the sonar guy.
"Con sonar, con sonar,
fast mover, fast mover."
I jolt awake going,
"Fast mover? Oh no.
Oh no, it's a torpedo."
I immediately got
adrenaline surge.
I thought I was about to
die inside this iron coffin.
That's what I thought.
And the executive
officer just sort
of saunters around the corner
and he looks down, I'm
thinking, wow, he's pretty calm
in the face of a
torpedo incoming.
At least I made
it into a torpedo.
And the XO as their
called looks around
and says, "What
do you got?"
And the kid was facing
that way and the XO was facing
me.
I'm at the edge of my seat
leaning like it's something
you do every day, trying
to hear the conversation
'cause it was hard to hear.
And the kid gave him the bearing
in the range softer
than next sentence
and I didn't hear that.
But I did hear when the
XO asked for the speed
and the kid said loudly,
he turned in his seat like this
and he held his hands out.
And at first he
didn't say anything.
He's like, "Several
hundred knots, sir."
And he just kept his
hands like this, right,
'cause he didn't know
what to do with it.
A sonar guy is supposed
to classify every
single thing they see.
They're supposed to know.
This one, he didn't know
because he couldn't possibly
know.
And so he was like this,
not knowing what to do.
And the XO said to him,
"Okay, log and dog it."
And he went, "Sir, yes
sir," and he went right back
to work, no questions
asked, nothing.
Well, me, Mr. Bigshot,
because I was invited, you see,
on this boat, so I'm
an important person.
I know you can see
where this is going.
I get up and I go over to the XO
and I said, "Sir, well I'm
familiar with these fast movers.
Is there anything I
can help you with?"
By the way, seasickness gone.
As soon as I heard
this, I was like, gone.
You know, so it's
psychological in part.
I say, "Is there anything
I can help you with, sir?"
He looks at me and he
goes, "D'Antonio, right?"
I go, "Sir, yes sir."
He says, "You're having
a good trip so far?
"Sir, yes, sir."
And he goes, "Let's
keep it that way."
Okay. And he walked away.
So I was like, okay.
And he said it in a nice way.
He wasn't like,
let's keep it that.
He said, "Let's
keep it that way,"
and he turned and walked away.
- [Darcy] He doesn't
wanna talk about it.
- He didn't wanna talk about it.
And I thought if I saw something
on just one trip, they
must be very common,
so I started looking
into it and they are.
I found other submarines
and they laugh,
"Oh yeah, we call those
things jellyfish on our boat."
"Jellyfish?"
"Yeah, Just to classify
'em 'cause they don't go
anywhere.
We don't know what they
are." - It's just a code word.
- They don't make noise
so that's sort of like
the little in joke, right?
Jellyfish don't make noises.
So they call 'em jellyfish
just to name them something.
- So how does sonar work?
Can you kind of explain
that for the audience a little
bit?
Is it like an echolocation
sort of technology?
- Sonar is a lot like light.
And the physics of light are,
you have might have
a source like the sun
and it emits photons and
the light bounces off an object
and then hits your eye
and that allows you
to register what that is.
Sonar works in the same
way, but at much lower
frequencies.
And so a pulse is emitted
from a transducer or an object
that emanates sound, and
it is received by a hydrophone
and it's basically
vibrations of the molecules in
the water
and that's what registers
a sound at a certain signal
level.
- [Darcy] So an object
that is emitting.
- Yeah, and there's
two forms of it.
There's passive sonar,
which just listens for noise
that's generated by anything
and then there's active
sonar, which is like radar.
And it's where something
like a sonar, a USS ship
or submarine emits
a sound signal
and it bounces off an
object and comes back
and allows you to
determine the distance
to which that object is
and also over time, it's speed.
- [Darcy] That's when
you're pinging someone.
- That's right.
Exactly right, yeah.
- And then several years
later, I have to do a job
for the joint chiefs
down in Washington.
In fact, it was a
presidential model, had to do
for the president of
the United States.
So I did this model,
I drove it down.
I went to a home of one
of the joint chiefs,
and I sat with him in his
house, in his living room,
and I asked him a question.
My brain said, "Don't ask.
Don't ask the question.
Don't say it."
I was already saying it,
"Sir, what can you tell me
about the Fast Mover program?"
And that's where
you ruin friendships
and relationships is
when you start prying.
You know, I had a high
clearance at the time
and I didn't wanna
jeopardize that,
but something made me ask
and I immediately went, oh,
like that, I
shouldn't have asked
and I think he
picked up on that.
He kinda smiled. He
goes, "I'm sorry, Marc.
I can't talk about
that program."
- This is the second in
command for the Navy?
- Yes.
- And he-
- What's his name?
- I can't give that to you.
Okay, because you
probably can research it,
but it was decades ago.
- What year?
- This was decades ago.
I can't talk about that.
It's the nature of my
trip, the nature, I can't talk.
And that's part of
the problem, isn't it,
with this world?
People will doubt
anything you say
if you can't give 'em all
the details, you know?
Well, I'm sorry, that's
just what has to be lived with.
- [Darcy] It's classified.
- It just that I
can't talk about it.
- [Darcy] And you have a
nondisclosure agreement.
- Well, you have a non
jail time agreement.
If you violate that,
you're going to jail, you kno?
And I get mad when I see
politicians violate this,
and nothing happens to 'em
but if I violate it, I'm
going right to the can, you
know?
So I've never done that.
I never will, I can't.
- [Darcy] All of this
talk about submarines
and the USO
phenomenon reminded me
that I could go see my friend,
Jim Goodall in Tucson, Arizona.
Having written a book
on our Navy subs, this
man has probably been
aboard more submarines
than any civilian,
and perhaps more
than some navy men.
When you hear about navy
submarine seamen witnessing
or noticing on
sonar USO activity,
objects that are
moving, you know,
300 knots plus in the water.
- I don't know
the date involved,
and I won't use the
gentleman's name,
even though he's mentioned
it publicly and has been in
print
that during some testing
on the the Los Angeles
class improved 688
Los Angeles Class
fast attack submarine,
the USS Hampton, I
think it's SSN 767.
They were doing something
new with the sonar,
and an object was being
picked up on sonar as a fast
mover
and it went zipping by 'em.
And the sonar operator
said, "That went
by us and in excess
of 800 miles an hour."
- [Darcy] Wow.
- And it wasn't a biologic
and it wasn't an
error in the processor
because there are multiple
sensors picked up this object,
whatever it was.
They have no explanation for it.
Of course, the Navy is not
saying anything about it
because, you know, if they
admit that something happened,
then, you know,
they're gonna have
to come up with an answer.
And if they deny it,
there's no consequences for
saying no.
99.9% of the operational
military submarines
have a test depth, which
is whether they're limited
to go beyond of 1200 feet.
Virginia class is about
to be about 1500 feet.
And the three Seawolf
boats, it's 2000 feet.
- [Darcy] What's
the fastest speed
that a submarine is
known to travel at?
- [Jim] Well, when I think,
when the USS
Connecticut hit the sea,
it hit the sea out
here not too long ago,
and I was on that sub 2017.
I think they were
doing like 35 knots,
that's 40 miles an hour.
Now, when the San
Francisco hit, that was SSN 711,
they had had the nose
hatch to the sonar catwalk open.
It's a 32 or 34 inch hole.
It's six inches
thick of HY-80 steel.
And the HY-80 stands for,
you can go 80,000 PSI
before it starts to deform.
The newer subs are using HY-100.
And it's only produced, I
think, in, you know, one
or two mills under
exclusive contract of United
States Navy.
- [Darcy] So you think
it's really about 40 miles per
hour
that our technology can
withstand, you know, ocean
drag effects and the water?
They can go a little
faster than that.
- [Jim] Well, yeah, the
Russians have claimed
they have torpedoes that
go 200 or 400 miles an hour
and that's because they
are putting a stream of air-
- [Darcy] In front of them.
- In front of it.
- So it creates an envelope?
- Yeah, and that's why like
when they fire a
ballistic m*ssile out
of one of our Ohio boats,
they're about 150 feet deep
when they launch.
And the rocket, the
Trident two doesn't even get wet
because the blast of air
pushing the thing out
envelops the entire sub,
I mean the entire m*ssile.
And then once it clears
the water, then it ignites.
(thunder crashing)
I've always been
fascinated with submarines.
And I can remember back
in the '60s, I wrote
General Dynamics Electric
Boat in Groton, Connecticut,
and asked for some photos
or anything they have on the,
at the time it was the
fleet ballistic m*ssile
submarine
they called the 41 for
freedom ballistic m*ssile subs
and fast attacks, the
early fast attacks.
And they sent me some
stuff, but that was about it.
And I had an opportunity in 2004
to go for a ride on
the Henry M. Jackson.
That is the SSBN 730.
It is a 560 foot long,
18,000 tons submerged
nuclear powered ballistic
m*ssile submarine.
Prior to as*ault treaties,
they had 24 m*ssile tubes,
and each one of the D5 missiles,
which are the most
advanced missiles
that it carries, could carry up
to 14 quarter megaton
hydrogen bombs times 24
but because the saw
they had to put ballast
in four of the middle tubes.
But I had a chance to
go out, we went out
through the Strait
of Juan de Fuca.
I'm up in there in the
sail and I'm looking around
and saying, you
know, Gene Hackman
and Denzel Washington
don't have a thing on me.
- I concur, sir.
- [Darcy] When you think
of these massive nuclear
w*r boats going out
to North Korea, right,
and we're in the middle
of a potential w*r, right,
World w*r III, possibly.
I know that you don't
think it's actually gonna
happen,
but what if one of
those things sinks
and detonates at the
bottom of the ocean?
Like could that-
- [Jim] A nuclear weapon or-
- [Darcy] Yeah, like a
massive nuclear warhead.
A warhead that's on one of
those U-boats, you know, like
what if that detonates
in the ocean,
would that be radioactive
to the planet, like that mess
up?
- The precision and maintenance
of nuclear weapons
is very intensive.
The radiation destroys
metal and it destroys
electronics.
So they have to
continuously upgrade and update,
plus the plutonium,
it starts decay.
It has a half life of
25,000 years or something like
that.
- [Darcy] Considering the
dangers of nuclear weapons
maybe we shouldn't always
rely on aliens above
and below to save our asses.
Would you think it's fair
to say that the Navy,
and, you know, the NOAA
and the different oceanic
scientific organizations
still don't know
everything that's down there in
the bottom?
- I mean, you know, do we
know that everything's, you
know,
below the surface of the ocean.
We only know about 5%
of what's in the bottom
of the world's oceans.
- When I was at NOAA, we
had remotely operated vehicles
that were rated to go
down to 6,000 meters
and do the science of
deep sea oceanography,
which is really interesting.
And then there was my
friend, Victor Vescovo,
who designed the
ultimate submersible
and went down to the
deepest parts of the ocean.
And then still he's
collected some great data
but all of these areas
are very little understood
and need to be looked at more.
- Right now we have,
what kind of listening
systems in the oceans?
We have the SOSUS.
- We have quite a bit.
We have, it's called
SOSUS, it's US Navy.
It's operated by the commander
of the Undersea
Surveillance Command.
I know a former
commander of that command
and I know officers
within that command
and they're managing these
undersea surveillance networks
that are basically arrays
of hydrophones on the seabed
and we use those for
anti-submarine warfare.
That is a source.
And also there are of
course, mobile assets
either unmanned
underwater vehicles,
and there's a wide range
of those in the private
sector right now
and the Navy has a few
of them as well as NOAA.
And then there are even
a pretty extensive range
of drifting types of buoys
and sensor configurations.
So there's a large
amount of the ocean
that's being looked at already.
We can do more.
And I pretty much
have a handle on all
of those both within the
US and within partners.
And in fact, your home country
of Canada has a very
significant network
of undersea acoustic
observation capability.
- So when they're
listening, these listening
networks
of devices, they have
cataloged all of the biologics
and they've cataloged all
of the equipment
that's known, right?
Especially for the Navy,
you guys have to know
what the Russians are
driving, what the Chinese,
what, you know, anybody
who has an aquatic force.
- [Tim] Yeah, that's the
office of naval intelligence.
They're really good at
that and that's their job.
- So you're of the mind that
when we see these objects going
through our oceans at 500 knots,
which we are only like
able to send things like,
for example, submarine can
go maybe a max of 35 to 40
knots,
and then maybe the
Russians have these torpedoes
that they create a air
bubble in front of,
and those can go up to 200 miles
or something like that,
which I think is like,
I don't know, 100 knots
or something like that,
150 knots, something like that.
- Yeah. That's called
super cavitation.
I'm not gonna comment
on our own force
or adversary capabilities
in terms of numbers,
but I'll say yes, that
we have capabilities
that currently the
phenomena we're seeing far
exceed.
- [Darcy] Okay, so
we have a threshold
in which we cannot go
beyond in terms of speed-
- Right.
- Underwater.
- Yeah.
- [Darcy] Okay.
- I mean, and this
is just like the UAP
that are observed
in the atmosphere.
And this is why this is
such a historic time,
is when we begin learning
more about these phenomena
and possibly the
technology that allows
for them to do, we're
gonna learn things, maybe new
physics.
And I know they are
certain people like
Avi Loeb, they don't like
that term new physics
because they think we
know all there is to know.
But actually, I do disagree.
I don't think we know
all there is to know.
And I think, so not
new physics being,
it will violate anything
we know currently.
It's just that we're gonna
learn about certain
possibilities
that we've just yet to discover.
- [Darcy] With our
own current physics.
- Yeah, exactly.
So just the laws of physics
as we know them is
gonna be expanded
and then that's
what's so exciting.
- As an oceanographer, can
you describe, sort of illustrate
for me the different
levels of ocean volume
as we go down to a trench?
- Wow.
- [Darcy] And just
sort of like types
of biologics along the
way and what, you know,
kind of submarines we would,
what kind of vehicles
we can actually operate?
- Okay at a very high
level, the surface down
to 100 meters, that's
where navy submarines operate.
I won't let you know how
much farther they can go down,
but that's pretty
much where they do.
That's where a lot of commercial
and scientific
drones operate in.
They're called AUVs,
autonomous underwater vehicle.
And then there's also a
thing called ocean gliders,
which are longer range
and they are powered
by buoyancy changes,
and they kind of do
a seesaw up and down
and they can go down
1000 meters potentially.
And so you kind of have
autonomous underwater vehicles
and submarines in the
upper hundred meters
and then these gliders can
go down to 1000 meters.
And then deep diving
remotely operated vehicles can
go down
to about 6,000 meters.
And then some of the
deepest submersibles like
Victor's
and a Chinese submersible
actually can go down
to 10,000 meters or more.
And so those are what we
kind of have to sense.
And then we have a number
of different fixed
sensors like arrays
that can operate at any depth.
Then the sea life
you see in there,
in the upper surface is
really rich and robust
and abundant from small plankton
to 100-foot long blue whales
and all sorts of pelagic fish
and that's why that upper
part is called the pelagic zone.
And as you go down to the
deepest, you kind of have the,
you know, at the very
deepest is called the Hadal
zone,
like Hades, the underworld
and there, you still have
different forms of sea life.
Sea life exists throughout
the entire water column.
And Victor, when he was
doing his deep dives,
actually discovered
some new species,
which was terrific for
us as a science agency.
We wanted to know that
and we continue to
investigate that.
- [Darcy] Some of you may
be saying to yourselves, okay,
so a couple of guys have
seen some strange stuff
in or over international
waters, who cares?
Well, apparently my
friend, Richard Dolan has head
of way more than a few stories.
A historian who
meticulously educates people
on the phenomena of USOs.
- You know, we're talking
about unusual objects
in the sky, well, that's
obviously interesting,
but when they come
out of the water,
when they go into the water,
when they're moving
in the water at speeds
that are just not
supposed to be possible,
that's incredibly
interesting and mysterious.
I think even more mysterious
in a lot of ways
than aerial objects.
This is a huge thing.
I mean, we all know the
earth is 70% covered by water.
We're all mostly land
lovers, let's be real about it.
Some of us go out into the
ocean, but mostly we don't.
And what is going on out
there in the depths of the
ocean?
You've got the main navies
of the world,
predominantly the United States
Navy,
which has a global presence.
You know, they're
encountering stuff.
And I've collected a lot
of US Navy USO reports,
unofficial.
And I mean, this is the problem
with a lot of these USO cases.
Like we really have to
be fair in describing
how difficult it is
to get documentation
on a lot of these cases, right?
It's not like, you know,
you can file a FOIA request
and get something on other
types of UFO encounters.
There's very little FOIA
activity that I've been aware of
that deals with USO cases.
And the definite message
that comes through over
and over again is
that the secrecy
on these is very, very severe.
Records get taken out,
they get expunged,
log books get switched out
and this type of thing.
So there's a lot of management
over the information
with these things.
And so, almost typically,
classically, the way these
stories
will come out is an
ex-Navy guy, 20, 30 years
after the fact, will
quietly talk to a researcher
and get the story out
often under anonymity.
And even sometimes under
even more than anonymity,
he'll say, "Look, I
don't even wanna tell you
where our ship was.
I don't wanna tell you,
you know, what my rank was.
I don't wanna tell you
what we were doing."
- [Darcy] If something
like a fast mover is reported
on say, a submarine
through sonar detection,
do you think the first officer
and the XO, maybe a number
of other crewman
actually would be aware
of these types of objects?
- Yes, I do.
In fact, the one story
I've heard, and I'm not gonna
get
into too much specifics
from a US submarine, it was
everybody on the bridge
was tracking it on sonar
and so there were
multiple witnesses.
And by the way, that data,
it was sent somewhere
that looks at acoustic data.
I'll leave it at that.
I'll need to dig into that more
to make sure I can
go on the record
and talk about where that goes.
But it was sent somewhere,
an authoritative source
of acoustic data and I
don't know what they've done
with it,
but I'm gonna be looking
into that more as we go forward.
- [Darcy] Interesting.
- I suspect they have a
lot more of those reports.
And I don't have confirmation,
but I believe this
source, this data curator
probably owns this
potential fast mover program.
- [Darcy] Wow, okay.
And they're a data
curator within the Navy?
- No, they're not.
They're a Navy partner.
- [Darcy] Ah.
Kind of like the
National Geospatial
Agency is a partner, okay.
- They're, yeah.
- A little over the last year,
in addition to all my
other UFO research, I really got
into this subject.
And it actually
started for me, I think
in spring of 2022, one of
the members of my website,
I have a website
where I've got a lot
of very smart, active people,
and they asked me
about a particular case
in the summer of 1945 in
the Ellucian Islands, right,
between Alaska and Siberia.
One of the Ellucian
islands is called Adak Island.
It's very small
and it's the western
westernmost military base
of the United States military.
And just so happens that
in the summer of '45,
when World w*r II
was still going
in the Pacific Theater
anyway, there was a US transport
ship
on its way back to Seattle
and it was called USS Delroth.
And it so happened that
this crew apparently dealt
with an object that
came out of the water
about a mile distance from them,
estimated diameter, maybe
about 200 feet diameter
so a pretty good size.
Came up outta the water.
It was clearly visible
against the sky.
It was becoming dusk, but
the sun was still out somewhat
so dark silhouette
comes up, straight up
and then begins to circle
around their ship
two or three times
so they got a good look at it
and it then just zipped off.
The speed of this object
wasn't outstanding.
It was about 100 miles
per hour estimate,
not super fast but the
thing about it was, primary
witness
who spoke about this said
it was absolutely rock steady,
no oscillation, no
change in speed.
It had to be eerie to see
something like that, you know?
So it circled around them
twice and then moved off.
And I think it took off
at a pretty good speed.
I don't think they were sure.
And he just saw there
was some lights flashing
as it departed
and that was that.
So that was the case
that started me going
into a deeper dive, if I
may say that, into the subject.
I did a little mini
lecture on it from my website
and then I thought, I wanna look
at some more of these cases.
- [Darcy] When you were
going down that road
of investigating that
phenomenon, basically USOs,
what else did you find?
- I found that there were
incidents in our Navy
that go relatively unreported.
1951, there were objects
flying in and outta the ocean
at a specific latitude,
longitude provided
by the Kizugawa Maru which
is a Japanese freighter.
And I looked on the map
and guess what, it's right
near the Mariana Trench.
- [Darcy] That's interesting.
- And based on the methodology
that I think an alien
spacecraft would have to use
in order to traverse and be here
and be hidden, they could
be in the Mariana Trench.
- One of them,
there was a case, several
cases actually dealing
with the US aircraft carrier,
the USS Franklin Delano
Roosevelt, the FDR.
And that ship's got one heck
of a history with UFOs and USOs.
I mean, back in 1952,
there was a NATO operation
called Main Brace.
This was in the North Sea.
It was a naval exercise
in September of 1952.
The FDR was there,
along with many other US
and NATO navy ships.
And this is very
well documented.
There was a large
series, several days
of dramatic UFO silence
dealing with this whole
scenario.
The FDR was the first
US aircraft carrier
to carry nuclear weapons.
And I don't know if that
has anything to do with this,
but that ship had many
encounters with UFOs
and USOs as far as I can tell.
The Main Brace incident,
that's a well-documented one
but then there were
others that follow.
One that I learned about
that is utterly fascinating
to me happened in the
early part of 1954, not long
after Main Brace, about a year
and a half later, less than that
so January or February, 1954.
And the gentleman who
wrote about it, he wrote it
to a couple of
different sources.
One of them is called
Filers Files, George Filers.
Taking all the reports.
Loved George Filer and
so this went there.
And the man writes, he
says, look, even now
after all these years, I
have to be careful about the
safety
of my family and my
career and my life.
I don't think he was saying
that his life would be
threatened but he was very
concerned.
So he gives some vague
generalities about what he was.
He was an officer on the FDR.
And this is a ship that
was normally stationed
in the Mediterranean, but
as, as I looked into its
history,
in January of 1954, it
left the Mediterranean
to go back to Seattle for
a major refit and overhaul,
which took several years.
So the only time that
this could have happened
in 1954 would've been
January or February.
And it was too large to go
through the Panama Canal,
so it had to go
down the Atlantic,
down the South
American coastline down
around the tip of South America.
- [Darcy] Towards Antarctica?
- [Richard] Yes, up the
other side, the Pacific side,
up to Seattle.
So in a month and a half
or so, it traveled almost,
I think 20,000 miles
or something like that.
- [Darcy] Wow.
- So at some point along
that path, I don't know
where the FDR according
to this man encountered,
had an unbelievable encounter.
And what he said is,
he was very technical
and very vague at the same
time, he didn't say where it
was,
but he said, now this is
like a 30 minute encounter,
he said, after about
about 10 minutes
or so, he was called to
the deck by a fellow officer
and they saw a
cigar shaped object
that he said was
about 100 feet long.
And it was not
directly over the ship,
but close to the ship.
And he said that they
tried to engage weapons
and the weapons went offline.
He didn't say which weapons.
He said at the conclusion
of the event, they tried
to launch two aircraft,
two fighter aircraft, they would
not launch, they
would not take off.
In the meantime, this
cigar shaped object hung around
for a few minutes and
then shot up to the sky.
He said right after that,
these two white circular
disc objects came out
of the water, exited the water
and they were hanging
around for a little while.
He then said that a much
larger cigar shaped object,
roughly 300 feet in
diameter came into the area.
Now when I read this
account, I'm wondering this same
object
that just seemed closer or
not and you don't really know.
What we know is that the
first time it appeared,
it looked like it was
100 feet in diameter.
And then the second,
nearly identical looking one,
but was much larger, comes
into view and is there.
So you got these two
little white discs,
you got this 300 foot
long cigar shaped object.
- Massive.
- Massive.
And not as big as the
FDR, but pretty big.
And the two disc objects
enter this larger
cigar shaped craft.
The cigar shaped object
then shoots up for a few minutes
and then comes down
and enters the water
and that is the conclusion
of this particular event.
Well, off Puerto
Rico in the '60s,
and I talked about
this in my talk,
there was a series of five
submarines and some destroyers.
They were doing maneuvers,
but one of the submarines
detected something
and it started to follow
it with permission.
And they noticed that this
object accelerated rapidly
to very high speeds, similar to
what was seen in our situation.
And then it actually
went to great depth
and it came up
very shallow again.
And it was doing
that with regularity.
And so they ended up
following it for four days
and it was there and they
kept following it for four days
and they could never
get any closer to it.
It always stayed just
outta their range
and they tried to be closer.
Sometimes they'd just get closer
and it would go away.
And also the old Soviet Navy,
the Russian Navy
Soviets, particularly
encountering these as well.
For example, there was
probably the premier Soviet UFO
researcher was a man
named Vladimir Azhazha
and very good, very
serious research, 1960s, '70s.
And he was very in with
the Soviet military as well
and spoke about how the
Soviet military during the 1970s
and '80s had a special project
to investigate
USOs specifically,
and specifically ones that
were following Soviet
submarines.
And he said, you know,
"At first we thought
these were American
technology, American craft."
He said, "But no way,
these things were way too fast."
They were just too incredible.
And he said, on one occasion
there was a Soviet
icebreaker in the Arctic Sea,
all the heavy ice
and everything.
- What year?
- He didn't give a year.
Did not give a year.
And not only is that a
problem with USO cases,
that's a big problem with
Soviet UFO cases in general.
- [Darcy] Because
they don't talk years.
- Well they don't because
a lot of this stuff,
it was never officially
supposed to exist.
So all the conversation
in the Soviet years
on UFOs was always
unofficial, very quiet.
And so it was only
when the Soviet Union
broke apart 1990, '91,
that these stories
started really coming out.
So by that time
you got guys years
after the fact talking.
- [Darcy] And like Paul
Stonehill escaping?
- Yes, exactly.
And so they don't have
dates, they don't have years.
They've just got the stories.
But in this case, you
have a Soviet icebreaker,
no, I don't know the year
that's doing its job in the
Arctic
and an object blasts
through the ice.
And there's someone
interviewing Azhazha about ths
and they said, "Well,
could it have been a m*ssile?"
He says, "No. m*ssile's
not gonna blast through the
ice."
And he said, besides
this thing was a sphere.
(laughing) So they had
that much of a description.
- [Darcy] As a Canadian,
I needed to speak
with my fellow
researcher and friend,
Louis Borges about the now
famous Shag Harbor incident.
So we're out here,
we're on the water.
And I understand you've
studied quite a few
of the Canadian
water-based UFO and USO cases.
- Yeah, well I think
the most famous one,
of course would be Shag Harbor.
- [Darcy] And this
happened off the coast
of Nova Scotia.
- Correct, yeah, off the coast
of Shag Harbor, Nova
Scotia, right on the southern
tip.
Witness numbers were in
double digits, credible people,
police officers, airline
pilots and there's evidence.
There's government reports.
So many people in the town
actually saw what happened.
And basically, I believe
it was October 4th, 1967.
Residents saw lights
in the sky kind
of not doing what an
aircraft would do.
It was running sort
of in a pattern,
but nothing discernible.
And then it appeared
to sort of hover
over the water level,
pitch to a 45 degree,
and then descended
rapidly towards the water.
So first responders were
the Royal Canadian Mount of
Police.
They actually
commandeered two boats
'cause this is a
small fishing village
and they went out there.
It only happened maybe two
or 300 yards off the coast
or off the shore.
They went out to have a look.
By then the craft
had disappeared
but there was a residue of
like a yellow foam almost.
- [Darcy] Yeah, just on top.
- Yeah, like a sulfuric smell.
So some witnesses said
that they saw the craft on the
water.
It was almost like a
glowing dome of light
for a period of time.
It didn't make any noise
or anything like that.
Subsequently, there were
searches done the next day.
In fact, even the Air
Force, the strategic air command
did a grid search of it,
navy divers did a search.
And some of these navy
divers even spoke years
after the fact
and said that, yeah,
they saw craft underwater
and they even saw what
looked like a second craft.
- [Darcy] But this also
was, you know, fully surveilled
and investigated by
the American Navy
and the American Air Force.
You were saying that,
so can you give some
context to some people like
why that's significant?
- Well, I mean this
is Cold w*r era too.
And in the world of NATO, Canada
and the United States have
a very close relationship.
There was a US base
not far away from this.
It was on Canadian ground,
but it was manned
by the Americans.
So whether they thought
this was Cold w*r related
spy submarine, who knows?
But essentially that's
where all the alert came from,
right?
And this is a small town.
Fishermen are known to
be very honest people.
It's not very
often they're gonna
make something up like this.
And in fact, nobody even
reported, quote unquote a UFO.
Many people thought it
was a crashed airplane
or some other type of lights.
It was only when the
locals were speaking with the
police
that responded that they
kind of hung that UFO tag
and said, yeah, we
think it's something
from outer space, further
adding to that allure
of what the heck
happened, right?
- So that was Shag Harbor.
And from what I hear,
in terms of people
that have investigated
this story
of a ocean-based UFO
sighting, am I correct
in assuming that there was
a dive rescue team sent
after this craft?
- That's right. There
was a dive rescue team.
Some of them reported to see
what looked like almost
arc welding underwater.
I don't know if that was
some kind of a repair, who
knows.
But the craziest
thing, even more
so than that, was the
divers reported they saw
non-human
intelligence in the
water, you know,
in the shape of beings,
non-human beings.
- [Darcy] Very interesting.
And so the Navy divers
were a bit spooked
when they came up
from the ocean.
- Sure.
And think about it,
these guys are used
to pulling up dead
bodies sometimes.
I mean, being a navy diver
can be not such a nice thing.
So they're conditioned,
they're seasoned,
they're not faint of
heart kind of people
and so for these people
to be rattled based
on what they saw, that
kind of speaks to the uniqueness
of it and the
severity of, you know,
what is actually going on.
- [Darcy] And so this case
that happened in 1960,
how did that go down?
- So as far as I know, it
was roughly the same thing.
There's not a lot of
documentation on it.
It's called the
Shelburne incident.
But essentially it
was from the work
of a Canadian ufologist
named Chris Styles
who really did a lot
of work on Shag Harbor.
And then while
interviewing people about that
event,
when he asked them like,
what year was this?
Their mind was a
little foggy at first,
but they clearly knew
it was before '67.
So this was a separate
incident, again
with very, very similar effects
and similar witness
testimony and all the rest.
- [Chris] On October
the 12th, 1960,
seven years before Shag Harbor
and eight Canadian
warships under Canadian command.
It was a NATO mission and
two USOs on the bottom.
And you know, I had the
ship's logs and that
and it's a genuine
case and you know,
there was some minor
recovery of some of the debris
in it.
There was a confrontation.
And here's the real
controversial part.
The book's just been
released, is that, believe it
or not, something
that's supposedly
has never happened in history,
I proved it's happened.
We went to DEFCON
1 over the incident
and there's no doubt about it.
I have the ship's log
from HMCS Cape Scott.
The terrible irony of
this, my father served
on the mission, I had no idea.
He took it to the grave.
But the DEFCON 1
thing was really weird
'cause you know, if you
look it up on Wikipedia
or of course something
more scholarly than that,
they would say no, you
know, the system has never gone
to DEFCON 1.
Well, that is not true.
It did over the Shelburne
incident. (laughs)
While it was encountering
the aliens, what happened next?
I actually don't know, I
don't have all the answers.
But it took me 29 years
to come up with this.
Like all with Shag Harbor,
I never stopped looking
and I don't have it all yet.
You know, as the
book ends, it says,
if you think you smell a sequel,
that will depend on the
further research results.
What we do know is that
when they got there
and they went down, you
know, when the divers, you know,
when they describe at the
start of the mission, you know,
we were this far into
going through a dog lake course
of minesweepers and that
like on this exercise
and then they
encountered them, right?
And, you know, they very
quickly hauled the divers
to the surface and the
ship declares DEFCON 1.
The Cape Scott was the
command vessel of the mission
'cause we were in Canadian
waters, just about two
or three nautical miles off
of McNutts Island at the
entrance to Shelburne Harbor.
- I have another blood red
orange ball sphere story
from another US
aircraft carrier.
The USS John F. Kennedy.
And this one, we have an
exact date for, July 2nd, 1971.
And this was from another
member aboard the ship
who writes in after the fact.
You know, I looked
into the history
of the USS John F. Kennedy
and this event is
not listed there
that I'm about to tell you,
but I believe it
definitely happened.
He described that the ship
had been in the Caribbean doing
what are called car quals,
carrier qualification exercises.
And this is a standard
thing that you get on carriers
where they test the
pilots, you know,
how like react, you
know, your take off time
and all of the things
that you had to do
to be like good, like
"Top g*n" type stuff
and so that's car quals.
So they were doing
that in the Caribbean.
And they were then
done with that.
They had successfully
completed it.
They had just completed it.
They go up through the
Caribbean between, I'm thinking
between Dominican
Republic and Cuba.
I think through
there, through Haiti,
and they're now in
the Bermuda Triangle.
They're just into
the Bermuda Triangle.
This guy who wrote
in, was in charge
of all the communications
on the ship
and he described them
in a lot of details.
So they had four
communication signal devices
for receiving, four
for sending out
and there were other ship
to ship type systems.
1971 was a very
sophisticated comm system
that he was operating.
He said suddenly all
the communication
started typing gibberish,
nonsensical information.
And he's like, what the heck?
And then everything
was just nonsensical.
And then he's on the
intercom and said he
and a fellow crew mate
are hearing someone
screaming on the intercom,
"It's God, it's the
end of the world."
So like, okay, what's
happening here?
And then they hear
again over the intercom,
something is hovering
over the ship.
So at this point,
he gets outside
to look physically
to see what this is.
And he said, "Me and
the guy I was with,
we see this blood
red orange sphere
basically right
over our ship."
That this thing which had shut
down all their communications.
This is a US aircraft
carrier. This is heavy duty.
Billions of dollars
going into this thing.
This is the leading edge
of the United States
defense system.
I mean, what's more
important than the aircraft
carriers,
especially in like 1971?
They got nukes,
they got aircraft.
This is their forward
projection of power around the
world.
You don't mess with a
United States aircraft carrier
but this thing completely
disabled their communication.
In fact, they wanted,
just like in the case of the FDR
from the 1950s, they attempted
to launch two F-4 phantom
fighter jets, would not launch.
Dunno why, but they would
not. Nothing worked.
He was able to see this
thing for about 20 seconds, he
said
and then the ship went to
general quarters battle
stations.
So he'd go back
to his comm center
and so he didn't get to
see it more any longer.
The ship was on battle
stations for one hour,
and during which time he
said, no communications went in
or out of the carrier.
That should mean that's
just extraordinary.
You're on general
quarters battle stations
with this thing over
your ship in the ocean
and you can't even communicate.
They will enter
and exit the water
without even water
dripping from them,
without making a big splash
but other times they do.
The USO researcher, Carl
Feindt actually had a lot
of theories about this.
And he believed that
when the craft is
generating its field, we'll just
leave it
at that, it will
cost a certain amount
of displacement of
the water around it,
which will mitigate a lot
of this splashing effect.
You know, there are
a lot of USO cases
where the object
is under the water
and you'll see a bubbling
of the water above it.
And it's like this field
of this thing is
pushing this water off.
- I've had experiences
I can't explain.
I've had encounters
that I know are probably
not of the earth
but what do you do?
How do you work those
into your daily life?
You try to find the
science that could explain them.
That's for me, and
I think I have.
I just don't think we can
do it yet, but we're on the
cusp.
We actually have
done technologies
that are leading to this
and from separate angles.
- Yep, you're talking
about the propulsion system
and I think you said
like the gravitons.
- Graviton, that's right.
The KK, the
Kaluza-Klein particle.
If you look up
Kaluza-Klein, and the next word
is CERN.
You're gonna get
all these papers
that CERN has put out
about the Kaluza-Klein particle,
and they're building
on an accelerator just
to investigate, well, in part,
to investigate
these KK particles.
So we're getting there.
On the other end, we've
got Lawrence Livermore,
totally separate organization.
It's now retained the
single most sought
after holy grail of fusion
and that's to create a
stable, sustainable reaction.
They did that with fusion.
Now it's not
exactly sustainable.
They had to put an energy
and arguably more energy
than they got out.
However, it was a
major breakthrough.
So those Kaluza-Klein
particles, you have to create,
right?
And I think UFOs are round
because they're accelerators.
Seems straightforward, you know.
And the triangular ones
are also accelerators
with the ring inside.
So I think that they figured out
how to make the micro
black holes to surround the ship
and actually punch out
of our four dimensions
and punch in wherever they want.
And if you do it
successively, you can go on a
straight line
or you can go zigzag, okay?
You can do anything you want.
So what we're not
used to is the fact
that they're doing this
punch in, punch out so rapidly,
but they're not
feeling anything.
To them, the scenery
just changes instantly.
They don't know and
they're not subject to water r
air.
So when it looks like
they're moving thousands
of miles an hour
through the air,
well they really aren't
moving through the air,
they're appearing at
various points close
to each other in the air.
So they're punching out
and then punching in,
punching out and punching in.
And so they're the best
cartographers in the universe
'cause they know all the
exit and entry points.
We're seeing that the stuff
that they're reporting
are all things
that are within the realm
of the KK world we talked about,
the Kaluza-Klein particle world,
the Kaluza-Klein
methodology for propulsion.
It's all well within that realm.
And a spacecraft that's
at 80,000 feet up here,
and it comes down to the deck,
is it actually
traveling 80,000 feet?
My contention is that it's not.
It's actually
punching out up here-
- Punching in.
- And punching in
at lower levels, okay?
And maybe if you see it here,
and then see it here,
then see it here,
and then see it here
and then finally here.
On your radar, you're
gonna see a path
and you're gonna say,
look, what from here to here
in a quarter of a second
or second and a half.
And then you'll do a
calculation for its speed
and come up with some
outrageous speed.
But it's not traveling
at any speed.
It's not moving at
any speed at all.
The occupants
don't even feel it.
- And similarly, when
the object comes down
to the water, it will
create like a well.
- And separate the water?
- Yes.
- [Darcy] Like part
the sea like Moses.
- Yes, actually, yes.
Kind of like that.
In fact, there was one case
where you can really
see this effect.
I can just bounce around.
- Yeah, go for it.
- From 1974 in the country
of Togo, so that's West Africa.
But you know, Africa
goes all the way down
and it's got this big hump.
So on the southern
part of that hump
of West Africa, the nation
of Togo, this little thin strip
and it's got a little
bit of coastline there,
but it's got some coastline.
So in 1974, there
was a French tourist,
and he's apparently having
a nice romantic evening
with a local woman of Togo.
It's late at night,
they're on the beach.
- [Darcy] The French
are like that.
- Absolutely and so
they're having their time,
but an object comes
in from the water.
The object created a dip
in the water, they said.
Again, this is something
that Carl Feindt was
quite interested in,
but creates this
dip in the water
and it actually caused a
kind of mini tidal wave
to come at them.
It displaced enough water
that the water just
came right at them.
And he said, we had to
grab onto one of the trees.
- [Darcy] Wow.
- It was actually that intense.
This object stayed in the area
for quite a while, I
think more than 10 minutes
and it then departed,
but it scared the
living hell out of them.
- [Darcy] I can imagine.
- Undoubtedly.
We have a very well
documented case
from the United
States Coast Guard
from March 4th,
1988 on Lake Erie.
And this was interesting.
You had eyewitnesses
along the lake there.
In Ohio, there's a
nuclear facility there.
I think it's the
Perry Nuclear Plant.
And so there were witnesses
that were seeing this
unusual light phenomenon
over the lake.
This got written
up in newspapers
and there was an official
Coast Guard document
describing this all.
But anyway, this one
family is very interested
and they're watching
this at the lake.
They end up calling
a number of places.
They end up getting
the Coast Guard.
Coast Guard sends two
Coast Guard personnel
who are witnessing
this with the family
and they write up a report.
So what they're seeing is
over this frozen lake,
it's still very cold,
this object, this big
object is like sitting
on the frozen lake and
they're hearing this cracking
sound
and all this crazy
stuff going on.
It's just blowing their minds.
And out of this big,
huge object comes
at one point a number of
smaller objects zipping around.
And in fact, one man
photographed these objects.
They were like these
little triangular lights.
And I have a photograph.
It's been out there.
And so they're zipping
around the area.
The objects eventually
go back into the craft.
And it gets dark,
the action ends,
the Coast Guard guys
write up their report.
And one of the things
that came out of this,
that this object the next
morning was not visible,
but the area where
it had been was all,
that area was melted.
And the belief is that
it went into the lake,
went into the water,
which there's quite a few
of these cases where
these objects are going
into not just oceans,
but large lakes
and sometimes even
small bodies of water.
But in this case, the Lake
Erie incident, March 4th, 1988.
This was very well reported.
And we do have this one
United States Coast Guard
document
that does describe the
event in a fair amount of
detail.
(all chattering)
- [Person] You got it
on the wrong thing.
- Oh my God. This is awesome.
- People wanna take a look.
- [Person] I got it.
That's a UFO, no sh*t.
(people chattering)
- [Person 2] You wanna
look at this one,
look through there for a minute?
- Yeah.
- Here.
Here, here, here, here.
Holy f*ck, it's coming close.
Good picture, Kevin.
- Okay.
- Are you filming?
(people chattering)
- [Presenter] Describing
it like a 40 foot long Tic-Tac
maneuvering rapidly
and changing direction.
- [Pilot] As we both
looked out the right side
of our airplane, we saw a
disturbance in the water
and a white object
oblong pointing north.
- [Presenter] The object
was first cited in 2004.
Then similar objects,
again in 2015.
Footage of the
sightings declassified
by the military
weren't made public
until December, 2017
by the New York Times
and a group that
researches UFOs.
- Yeah, the Tic-Tac case.
There are certain details
that we still don't
have about it.
It's a great case on
many levels in terms
of the amount of
information we have, the date,
the exact locations pretty
well, you know, understood now.
November 14th, 2004.
And many, many
witnesses have come out.
So it's been discussed.
We kind of know
this thing happened.
Too much witness
testimony here to ignore,
but there are still
some disputes.
So what was below the water?
You've got Fravor's team,
two Super Hornets vectored in.
As we know, he sees it first.
He goes down, he sees
this white Tic-Tac object
about 40 feet in length.
It's above the water.
And in fact, you know,
as he's described it,
he said, well, I didn't
know if it was on the water
or above the water,
the water was frothing.
But I think the implication of
that was just above the water.
But then, yes,
there's this statement
of something else
below the Tic-Tac
and much larger from what
appears to be the case.
What the heck was that?
Well, that's interesting indeed.
You know, Fravor comes
down to engage the Tic-Tac.
And as he said, many times
people have reported many times,
that he's circling like this
and the Tic-Tac's circling
in an opposite
direction toward him.
And then the Tic-Tac
just goes off like this.
He said he had a
perfect field of vision,
minimum 10 miles, easy,
but he said realistically,
almost close to 50 miles.
And he said within two
seconds that thing was out of
sight.
Like he could not see it.
And if you take even the
conservative estimate
of his vision, 10 miles,
he's still talking probably
over 10,000 miles per
hour saying, just gone.
It's just instant like
that so it's incredible.
But the underwater object,
there's not a whole lot
that's discussed about this.
Like, what would this thing do?
I'm gonna take a guess
that it just went
(imitating whooshing)
below and just took off.
And these things can move
fast, real fast under the water.
- [Darcy] So, you know,
one could even just based
on the story and how
everybody focuses
on the object, the Tic-Tac
that was in the air, you know,
and the media, let's say,
or UFO investigators focus
on that, but also the pilots.
So you can almost say
that mission accomplished,
whatever the Tic-Tac's
mission might've been was,
okay, now I've gotta take
the attention off of what's
here.
I'm gonna go up
in the air confuse
and distract the pilots
and then sh**t off.
- Okay. That's a
heck of a theory.
That's a really
interesting idea.
- [Darcy] Right?
- I hadn't thought of that
but I think what, what you're
at least suggesting here
makes a lot of sense.
There's this major USO
object under the water,
and you got the Tic-Tac.
That's like the distract,
that's like, you know,
when you have the dog
racing, they're chasing the
bunny?
- [Darcy] Yeah.
It's like, hey guys.
- [Richard] That's what
the Tic-Tac was. Just go after
that.
- [Darcy] Yeah.
- It was very similar to
what Jeremy publicized
from 2019 and 2020,
like the drone swarm.
And I don't have it in
front of me, I'm gonna have
to give you this information,
but it's, I think
from about 2007,
and it was written into,
I think it was written
into George Filer's
Filer's File website.
And he's describing
their activity
off the southern
California coast,
off the coast of San Diego.
It's very similar to what
you we're currently getting.
And he just said, late
at night, "We had a swarm
of objects over our ship.
We were completely unable
to deal with this."
He said, "They came in
and they did all of these
incredible maneuvers.
Like one was almost like
a check mark maneuver,
like a sharp angle
maneuver over the ship.
We were absolutely
helpless."
He said, I spoke
to the commander
or the captain who said to me
at that time, my computer
system was not working.
It stopped working.
And this guy just
wrote anonymously
to George Filer's
website at that time.
It's a 2007 case and I'm
gonna give you visuals
that he could,
I'll give it to
you. it's good.
- [Darcy] It's
important to remember
these objects have mastery
in navigating our atmosphere
as well as our oceans.
My next stop was with
friends Anthony Esemplare
and Andy Marcial to
discuss their involvement
with researching recently
recorded UFO videos
from the Department
of Homeland Security.
- Andy. Welcome, good
to have you here.
Thanks for meeting up.
- Thank you. No problem.
- So what got you started
with the whole UAP phenomenon
and New York UAP discussion?
I'm anxious to know.
- Well, it all started
with a personal experience
of mine when I was younger.
And basically what
happened with me kind of gote
to dive into the subject
to try and figure out exactly
what it was that I saw,
what I experienced.
And eventually
throughout the years,
I started getting
a little frustrated
with all the
misinformation that was being
put out there
and decided to do
something about it and created
my page
and that's basically where
it all started from after that.
- And what are your
thoughts on the USO situation?
I mean, I film here nightly
and it's almost every
night you catch something
that you can't explain.
And I'm using data
that shows you tracking
for satellites, tracking
for unmanned aerial vehicles,
the International Space
Station, Elon Musk projects.
And it's none of the above
when I searched some
of these crafts.
So it's either top secret
covert military projects,
or it's extraterrestrial
in origin.
What are your thoughts?
- Well, from research, I
know that this is something
that goes back thousands
of years, you know,
so it's not like anything
could just be attributed
to Russia or China,
you know what I mean?
Like, you have to,
if you're gonna
research this, you have
to research it correctly
and go back to the beginning.
You can't just cherry pick
and decide to, oh, I
wanna start from here.
No, you gotta go back
to the beginning.
So there are things
up there that,
you know, we've been
seeing for thousands of years
that, you know, we
attributed to religion, you
know,
in the past and we
attributed to things
that, you know, we
just didn't understand
and we're still seeing
them to this day.
We're just getting a
little more understanding
and we're starting to see
that, you know,
this is a phenomenon
that's been around now
for quite some time.
And I feel like we just need
to start taking it a
little more serious
to get a real
understanding of what it is
that we're dealing
with, basically.
- And by the way, there's
a lot of USO cases
of these perfect, like
orange red spheres, perfect.
I think one of the
earliest great ones
that I came across
was from 1825.
- [Darcy] Wow.
- In the Pacific, not
off the coast of Hawaii,
but out in the ocean.
It's a British ship.
Think of the old, you
know, wooden ships with the
sails.
- [Darcy] A Man-of-w*r
or something.
- [Richard] Yeah,
it's a British ship
and aboard this ship was a
naturalist named Andrew Bloxam.
- [Darcy] Gotta always
have those, right?
- [Richard] Yes.
- [Darcy] Darwin, whatever.
- Absolutely.
That's right.
Master and commander,
they had their naturalist.
So this was a naturalist, 1825.
And in fact, we have the data.
I can probably get it to you.
If you wanna look at it,
I've got it on my computer here.
But he said, 3:30 a.m.,
we're in August of 1825.
So imagine it's 3:30 a.m.,
you're in the ship
in the Pacific.
It's gotta be just
black all around.
Are you getting me?
I don't know what the
moon was on that night.
So maybe there might have
been a little bit moonlight,
but not much going on there.
And he said, out of
nowhere, the watch reported this
bright orange red object.
He said the color
of a cannon shot
so like an orangey red
type thing comes up out
of the water and actually
came up outta the water,
went down into the water,
came up a second time,
and then went down
into the water again.
He said it was so bright
you could have picked
up a pin off the
floor of the deck.
- [Darcy] Wow.
So the mini sun.
- Yes, it was. He said
it was extremely bright.
And so when I read
that report, that's one
of the earliest really
excellent USO reports
that when I read it, I
think, I believe this
because his description
is very, very factual.
He's not trying to connect
this to prodigies in the sky
and signs, which is what
you get in the ancient times.
- [Darcy] Right. Spirits.
- Yeah and like this means that,
and that kind of
thing was very common
with ancient UFO sightings.
And we don't really
know what those most
of those things were, frankly.
But in this case, I think
Bloxam was very specific.
He was very technical, very,
I would almost say
scientific about it.
- Matter of fact.
- Matter of fact, exactly.
But it's this blood red
orangy ball, this sphere.
- I'm sure you've come to
draw your own conclusions.
I know I have.
Why do you think
that the water is
so important to these crafts?
What's it about our oceans
that attract them to it?
- Personally, I believe
that they reside in our oceans.
I believe that they have bases
or underground
facilities that, I mean,
if you're trying to
stay away from us,
but also stay on this
planet, then the best place to
go to
where they're not
gonna interfere with us
or we're not gonna
interfere with them, would be
the oceans
'cause we still, even today
in 2023, we don't have
the technology like that
to traverse the waters.
In any real, like,
meaningful way, it still takes
us forever
to do anything in the water.
So that's a perfect
location to be in if you're
trying
to keep a specific
distance or a certain distance
from us.
And I feel that they call
the ocean their home,
or at least whatever species is
down there, calls it their home.
- Do you feel at some
point, maybe marine biologists
or oceanographers, they're
gonna actually spot something
under the water at some
time and we're gonna be led
to find out that there
really is an actual base
under the water not too far off?
- Well, that's happened already.
As a matter of fact,
I've seen video
of, I believe it's
Discovery Channel, I believet
was,
underwater photographers
that spoke about these things.
And shortly after they
made these mentions,
the videos were removed.
And I found that
kind of interesting
because he specifically stated
that the creatures he had
come into contact with,
or the things they had come
into contact with
were almost like,
they weren't anything
from this planet.
It seemed more like
it came from elsewhere
and it showed like a
level of intelligence.
And I found that interesting.
But there's tons of
stories, there's tons of
accounts
of things that have
been seen in the oceans
that you can't attribute
it with, you know, normal
biology.
Like it's definitely
something that's down there
that, you know, is, I don't know
how else you could say it
is, it's not part of us.
You know what I mean?
Like it's either
came from somewhere
or has been here longer than us
and it just wants to keep
its distance from us.
- Extraterrestrial
in origin, yeah.
You know, I wonder what
kind of technology they're using
'cause they definitely
cloaking the craft in some way
because I've watched very
vibrant, brilliant lit orb craft
a couple thousand feet in
the atmosphere, fly over, hit it
with a laser point, and
all of a sudden it starts
to fade out and just disappear.
Matter of fact,
year and a half ago,
I filmed an orange object
over the ocean right here
by Fort Earle Naval Station.
The only strange thing
was three hours prior,
SpaceX had a launch, three
hours prior in Florida.
Now we were in New York.
You couldn't see Florida
if you wanted to,
or a SpaceX launch from
Florida if you wanted to.
And I have no idea what
this orange craft was
that went up in the sky.
It had the characteristics
of a launch,
but it kind of looked
like that cone shape
with the bowl on top but
it just sat there silently.
And the strangest part
about the whole thing was
without night vision, you
couldn't physically see it
with the naked eye.
It was not observable
to the human eye.
But once you put the night
vision on it, it was there
and it just sat in the sky
and you actually see these
little orbs releasing
from it into the water.
No sound, no, nothing,
it was the strangest
thing I ever seen.
But like I was saying,
being that Fort Earle
Naval Station's right there,
could the military be
maybe testing craft
that they've retrieved,
crash retrieval craft
and putting them up and
testing them at the base
and then dropping
them back down cloaked
so we don't really
see what's going on?
We're only getting a
glimpse into that world.
- I mean yeah, especially
now with all the information
that's been coming out
with whistleblowers.
And if you go back, you
know, researching old documents
with, you know, CIA
and all the information
that has leaked in the
sense, quote unquote, it shows
you
that they've been reverse
engineering this stuff.
I mean, going back to
the times of Hitler.
We all know that Hitler
was very much interested into
this
and now also with the
whole 1933 Italy incident
that now that's been found
to have been, you know, true.
It did happen. A
craft did crash there.
So if that was documented then,
and Hitler was interested
in researching anti-gravity,
and then after the w*r, we
enacted Project Paperclip
to get these scientists
to come over.
I mean, there's no
doubt in my mind
that we've already
accomplished that.
We've already created
that technology
and more than likely
have perfected it
and testing it in
various different ways
but it still doesn't
explain the other sightings
that just have no explanation.
You know what I'm saying?
- Sure.
- Like things that you
just can't attribute to military
because it's been
happening for far longer
than military has had that
access to that technology.
- I do not know what that is.
What?
I do not know what
this anomaly is.
Unbelievable. It
is just there.
So let me ask you this.
I'm an experience in
myself, had an encounter back
in 1993, changed my life.
But since Congress
has come forward
and our naval aviators
are coming forward now
with information plus all the
whistleblower testimony
that's coming.
In a couple weeks,
we're gonna have
more whistleblower
testimony coming.
Do you feel somewhat
vindicated now in your research?
- It's funny you mentioned 1993,
because that's when I
had my close encounter.
- Really?
- In Long Island. Yes.
- Wow.
- Believe it or not.
So that's interesting.
But yeah, with everything
going on, absolutely.
It's huge vindication
because for
how many years have they
been calling us kooks
and tinfoil high wearing,
you know, weirdos.
And didn't even like,
like fear saying it
in public, you
know, ridiculing us
and now they come
forward and talk about it
and admit it like it's nothing.
It's like, really?
So yeah, it's vindication
and also it gets you angry
because it's like, you
know, you guys have been lying
to us and you knew
you were lying to us.
And now you're coming
forward this way
and not even an apology
to everybody that you,
lives you ruined and
you know, the ridicule
that you've made people
go through and experience.
So yeah, it's-
- Nevermind the
friendship's lost, the family's
members
telling you that you're crazy
and you don't know what
you're talking about.
- Lives lost.
- Inside, you know,
the whole time, I
know what I seen.
I know it was not, you
know, from this world.
I know I'm right and one
day I'm gonna be vindicated.
And here we are today in
2023, we're about to be
vindicated.
I mean, these are
dynamite times.
Talk a little bit about
the rubber duck footage
that you had captured that time
'cause that was
pretty fascinating.
- I mean, if you want
I have, we could go
and see the videos themselves
and we could talk
about them if you want.
- Hey man, how are you?
- Good, man.
- Thanks for coming back.
- No problem, man.
- Let's talk about your videos.
Let's chat about your
experience with this UAP footage
that's become pretty
famous recently.
- Infamous.
- [Darcy] Hey, some people
can call infamous, right?
But I'm sure you've got a
bit of emotion attached to it
because of the fact that
you went through an ordeal
with releasing it, right?
- Yeah.
- [Darcy] So how did you come
across this rubber
duck UAP video?
- Well, it was actually
through my Instagram channel.
I was reached out
by an individual
who originally had
taken cell phone footage
from his computer
screen at his office.
And basically, you
know, reached out
and told me, "I think,
you know, I have something
I think you're gonna
find very interesting."
And he was like,
"Take a look at this
and tell me
what you think."
So I opened it up and
I instantly realized
that, you know, okay,
well, I'm seeing something
legitimate.
Like I already know the
layout of FLIR and everything
so I'm like, all right,
this is new, this is interesting
'cause the first video
that he sent me was the A-10.
I'm not sure if
you've seen that one,
but it's the A-10 Warthog
where it shows an object comg
in
to view and actually
following the A-10.
And once I saw that,
I got very interested
and told him, you
know, what is this?
Who are you?
And asked him all sorts
of questions trying
to verify who this
individual was
and how he got this footage.
And he told me he was
a border patrol agent.
And that, you know,
this footage has been
in their possession
now for a long time
and it's been in a folder
where they keep all
these anomalous objects
and nobody, you
know, could explain
or understand what it was.
And they would kind of
just show it, you know,
to people in the office to try
and get their, you know,
reactions to what it could be
or, you know, try and
get an understanding
of what the object
in the footage was.
He mentioned to me that
there was more than one video
and after some persuasion
was able to get him
to actually send me
the original files
and that's where the
rubber duck was included
in those files that he sent me.
And I kind of realized
at that moment
that, okay, I got my hands
on something pretty remarkable
'cause I've been
researching this for years
and I've never seen
anything legitimate like
that coming from a, I
would say government
or military source in its
entirety, in its original format
with, you know, nobody,
you know, like, cutting into it
or removing anything, it's
all unedited raw footage.
So that's when I was like,
okay, I just landed
something pretty big.
At least that's
what I was thinking
because of, you know,
my line of research.
Never seen it before
and all of a sudden
I got it in my hands.
I'm like, holy crap,
you know, like,
what do I do with this?
And basically that's
how it started
and where, you know,
took off from there.
- [Darcy] So what happened next?
You posted on
Instagram or YouTube
and then people started
scrutinizing the video?
- No, actually I didn't.
I first released the cell
phone recording of the A-10.
That was the very first
one that he had sent me
and, you know, I got
permission from him to share
that.
Once I got the other
videos, the rubber duck one,
I didn't release to anyone
because it was the
most significant one.
It was a total of two
clips that totaled 60 minutes,
if I'm not mistaken,
60 minutes total
and 40 full minutes
of the object
in question, the anomalous
object, which is unheard of.
I've never seen any
video out there coming
from a source like this
that was that long.
You know, usually, for
example, like Tic-Tac
or whatever is a few
seconds and that's it, you know.
So I realized, okay,
I have to do something
with this footage and not
just throw it out there.
Like I want to go through
the correct avenues
to actually get this
properly analyzed
before I put it out there,
because this is important.
I knew that this was
something that really needed
to be put in the hands
of people that were going
to take it serious
and analyze it
for real 'cause
of its importance.
And that's when I had
gotten in contact with an
individual
at the SCU, the Scientific
Coalition for UAP studies named
Peter Reali and sent him
the footage, introduced him
to the source, which
wanted to remain anonymous.
But through them,
you know, I was able
to convince him to
verify who he was
and show them all the
information they needed
to see in order to verify
that yes, the source is
who says he is, and
we're getting this
from an authentic individual
in Department of
Homeland Security.
- [Darcy] Why does the
object look like it's two
objects
at certain times?
Like a little ball and
then like this kind
of like bell underneath it.
- [Andy] It's 'cause it
actually is two objects,
but the analysis showed
that the bottom is
separate from the top.
So somehow it's one
object, but there's no-
- [Darcy] Working together.
- [Andy] Yeah, it's almost
like working together
because they weren't
able to find any evidence
of anything that was
attaching the two together.
So you have a larger and
then a smaller orb at the top
and as you could see
they're working together
'cause they rotate
as they're moving.
- [Darcy] So what is
it about this video
that, you know,
through your research
and speaking to
specialists that have analyzed
it,
what sticks out right away
that makes it, you
know, a home run?
- Well, number one is the fact
that these guys are
trained observers.
Their job is to observe.
Their job is literally
for surveillance.
So that they're out
there every single day
and night looking for things,
smugglers, you know,
ill*gal aliens.
Not those kind of aliens
but the other aliens.
- [Darcy] Narcos.
- Yeah, all that.
For them to see something
and not be able to
identify it is a big deal
because their job
is to identify.
That is literally what
they're there to do, you
understand?
So if they're seeing
something that catches their
attention
and they have no
explanation for it, I mean,
for god's sakes, this guy
filmed this for 40 minutes.
Why would you film
something for 40 minutes
if you knew it was a balloon?
So right there, where
you're looking at on the film,
yeah, I mean I can say it
now because it's out there,
but the plane is actually
not over US soil.
It was actually over Mexican.
The reason why they
stopped filming was
because these planes are
loaned out for a certain amount
of time and that timeframe
was coming to an end
so that's the reason
why they ended up
abandoning the object
because they had to go back to-
- [Darcy] Refuel.
- [Andy] Yeah or to, you
know, loan the plane out
to whoever else that was
gonna get it next or whatever
but their time with
the plane was over,
which is why the footage ended.
But at that time,
the object was still
traveling in its direction.
They just abandoned the
footage because of that.
- [Darcy] Was it
circling the same area?
- No, the object was
actually traveling in a linear
fashion.
- [Darcy] And so they
obviously thought it was like a
narco craft or
something at first.
That's why they were
interested in it.
- Well, at first the
way the object appeared,
where they were
panning the landscape
and then all of a sudden
it came into view, it flew
into view and that's what
caught their attention.
But one thing I wanna
mention is that this was filmed
in black hot mode, which means
that the object you're looking
at is actually emitting
no heat whatsoever.
So that's another thing
that caught their
attention is the fact
that this thing is in
flight and it's moving, orbiting
and it's emitting zero heat.
There's no indication that
this has any kind of propellers,
or propulsion or anything.
That was another reason
why they were, you know,
perplexed at what it was,
because this thing is
moving with no signs
of any kind of
propulsion whatsoever.
- [Darcy] And it
couldn't be a balloon
because it's going against
the wind or something like that.
- No, so it couldn't
be a balloon
because I actually know an
individual named David Falch
who's a 20 plus
year FLIR expert.
He works on them
and repairs them.
He did experiments
with different types
of balloons under FLIR to show
what they look like, identify,
and basically assist in
the debunking of that theory.
And due to those
experiments, they were able
to confirm and come
to the conclusion
that there was no
balloon, this had nothing
to do with balloons.
There was no latex
balloon attached
to a string like a
certain individual
I'm not gonna name
was mentioning.
For example, they were saying
it was parachute dropping drugs.
Okay, so did you recover
it? Why didn't they recover it?
You know, if it was that
easily identifiable,
this would not be shown to
all agents in the office
as an anomalous trying
to figure out what it was
'cause they would've
already known.
They would've been able
to identify when they went
and picked up the package
from the ground after it
dropped.
But this thing stood where
it was at without dropping.
It did not lower in elevation.
It stood literally
where it was traveling
at the speed it was traveling.
So I mean, it's clear as day
that there is nothing
about the object
that is legitimately explainable
where you could say,
yes, this was a drone,
or yes, this was a
balloon, or yes, this was th.
It's none of those things
but because you just can't
satisfy everyone, this is
why I say, no matter
how good the evidence
is, someone's going
to tell you it's a balloon,
someone's gonna tell
you it's a bird.
You know, that was the
route I took because I
understood
that what I had was important
and that it needed to
be properly analyzed
before being put out there
so that way there was
no, well, at least
what I thought was there
was gonna be no scrutiny.
And, you know, you have
some scientific backing to it
to avoid all the trolls
and all that negativity
but unfortunately it
didn't turn out that way.
- [Darcy] That's
just the community.
- [Andy] Yeah.
- [Darcy] It's the
nature of the community.
- [Andy] I know.
- [Darcy] So then once
SCU, this individual took the
proper
time to analyze it and
say, okay, this is not a bug,
it's not a bird, it's not
a balloon, you release it
to YouTube and it accumulates
around like 300,000 plus views.
- Yeah, actually the first
time anything I ever put
out went viral, like
legitimately went viral.
I had people from all over
the world messaging me.
Matter of fact, I even had
Robert Salas reach out to me
and thank me for
releasing the videos
and you know, I mean some
very high individuals reaching
out
to me, telling me,
thank you and privately.
But then I had
unfortunately more negativity
than positivity
because unfortunately,
you know, it's just like
when it comes to this
subject, no amount of proof
whether
how authentic or genuine
it is is ever good enough
for anybody, you know.
- [Darcy] Especially
the debunkers.
- Especially the debunkers.
And, you know, they wanna
see, you know, ET mooning you
through the window of the UFO
in order for them to say,
oh, that's real, you know.
But what they
don't understand is
that's not what they're
gonna get, you understand,
especially not in this manner.
This is the best that's
come out in my opinion so far
since all of this started,
you know, becoming mainstream.
You know, there's no other
video out there still to this
day
that's come out in its
entirety in this way.
You have the Tic-Tac,
which just shows a spot in the
screen
and people speaking and,
you know, the pilot speaking.
The GoFast, which is
another dot moving
and the pilot speaking,
nothing really crazy, you know.
- Very under the radar
release of some videos
and documents with
no explanation.
All of a sudden Customs
and Border Patrol has released
videos from what looks
like forward-looking infrared
cameras
from different incidents
and an odd 380 some pages
of reports, news
clippings and email.
- What you're looking
at is anomalous.
It's not something of ours.
It's not some kind of
technology that we have
that is actually exotic.
It's, you know, a UFO, a
real legitimate object, you
know.
- [Darcy] Possibly non-human.
- Positive non-human, yes.
- Do you think, you know,
we're gonna go a little bit
farfetched now, and I know
that you're very professional
and you're trying to keep
within the information
that you know of,
you don't want to-
- [Andy] Speculate.
- Go crazy with
speculation, right?
But just a little bit
of healthy speculation,
you know, is warranted I'd say.
Do you think that it's possible
that these objects,
these drone like spheres
or Tic-Tac UFOs
might be originating
from an ocean based object
or structure that's
maybe deep ocean?
- Right, so this is
exactly a possibility.
After hearing what Dave
Grusch has come out with
and the observations of
Ryan Graves at the hearing
as well as David Fravor,
we really can't rule anything
out.
Of course, there's no
proof right now of that,
but they're coming
from somewhere
that we don't know how
they're doing what they're doing
and we don't know
their intentions.
So all I can say is this
deserves significant amount
of study of our oceans
and that that's what
I'm pursuing right now.
- Great. Why don't you
talk about that then?
Tell me a bit about
your study of the ocean.
I mean, you worked
for NOAA as well.
You're chief meteorologist
for the Navy during
these times of exercise
where they saw UAP
over the oceans.
What are you pursuing
right now in terms of trying
to, you know,
solve this mystery?
- So a couple things.
First off, I was the
chief oceanographer
of the US Navy also,
and I have a PhD
in oceanography from
Scripps Institution of
Oceanography.
So this is my career,
studying the oceans.
And so before I get to
that answer, let me go back
to your previous question about
under sea infrastructure,
if you want to call it that.
So of course I've
thought about that.
There's been some wild
speculation about something
in the Catalina Island
area of Southern California.
And knowing that, knowing
there has been observations
of UAP going transmedium
from air to the ocean and back
from the USS Omaha, for example.
I had an opportunity.
When I was with NOAA,
I signed an agreement
with a remarkable
individual named Victor Vescovo.
Victor is a retired
Navy Reserve commander
in the intelligence field.
And his day job was a
private equity investor
and he made quite
a bit of money.
And what he did, he's
an explorer by nature,
he has been awarded the
Explorers Grand Slam,
which is climbing the
seven highest peaks
in the world's continents,
including Everest
and skiing to the North
Pole and the South Pole.
And so if that wasn't enough,
Victor found out about
the lack of knowledge
of the oceans and
that we've really not,
we know the surface
of Mars and the moon
to a higher resolution
than we know the sea floor
of our world oceans.
And so he decided to
fund his own expedition
where he dived in a human
operated submersible
to the deepest trenches
in the five oceans,
seven miles down, 35,000
feet, over 10,000 meters
and he did that 15 times,
remarkable individual.
I signed an agreement with him
because he was collecting
some great ocean data.
He was using a ship to map
using a multi-beam sonar
and this was my job at NOAA is
to ensure we were mapping
more of our ocean,
at least the US part of
it, the exclusive economic zone.
So Victor and I signed
this agreement and we stayed
in touch after I left
the government in 2021
and at the end of that
year, he told me he was gonna
do a shakedown
cruise with his ship
after it got installed
with a new multi-beam
sonar, the latest and greatest
and he was going to do
that in Southern California.
So I asked him, "Hey,
I have some coordinates
for you to look at, would
you mind going after them?"
And he did.
- [Rob] Could the answer
to these unidentified
flying objects rest here
deep under the waters
off Point Dume.
- Oh, interesting.
- [Rob] Well, from above,
this may look like every
other patch of ocean off
the California coast,
but thanks to Google
Earth, which uses satellite
images
to look underwater,
another mystery is surfacing.
- So this could be the
most important discovery for us
in two and a half decades.
- And so there are certain areas
where the UAP activity has been,
and I asked 'em to go survey
and look for that
evidence of something.
And interestingly,
there is one area
that is very interesting.
There's a part of a
ridge in between Catalina
and the shore of Southern
California, Long Beach
that looks like a big
chunk of the ridge was carved
out
and horizontally displaced.
And it doesn't look like
it was a natural debris flow.
So I've passed it to
some leading geologists
and ocean bathymetry experts
and they're not sure how
it was created or formed.
And so my next step is
to work with Scripps
or somebody and get an ROV
and obtain some
image, optical imagery
and video of this
area just to look.
And that's the kind of
things systematic study
that needs to be
done in our oceans
to really understand
what these objects are,
just like the Harvard's
Galileo project is doing
for anomalous phenomena
in the atmosphere.
- [Person] There is, in my view,
based on the data
of USO activity,
there is a very good
reason to believe
that there are
multiple undersea bases
that these things
operate out of, yes.
And some of them would be,
but definitely off the
coast of South America,
on the Atlantic
side, I don't think
there's any question in my mind.
There's been too many
of those types of cases.
Probably on the other
side of South America too.
That's a big area of
US sub activities,
at least having
been recorded, yes.
Also the Atlantic and
the Northern Pacific.
I don't think there's a
region where it's unlikely
that there's a base under
the water somewhere.
There's Ukrainian and
Russian researchers 15 years ago
were talking about
their strong belief
of a base near the
center of the Black Sea.
So I think these things
are and can be almost anywhere.
I listened to researchers
discussing the possibility
of the base off the Bay of
Bisque, off the coast of France.
I think these can be
in many, many areas.
So you're talking about
a global presence.
What are they doing?
What's going on?
(upbeat electronic music)
(person speaking
indistinctly over radio)
- [Person] There's a
whole fleet of them.
Look on the ASA.
- [Person 2] My God.
They're all going
against the wind,
but that's 120,000 (indistinct).
- [Person] Look at that thing!
(upbeat electronic
music continues)
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music continues)
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