tonight on the two-part special
of "90 day fiancé."
you say he not
your soulmate.
because you have a different
meaning of soulmate.
so why marry him?
the couples tell all.
surprising confessions...
why did you two
get divorced?
was there infidelity?
i’ll let michael
answer that.
i met emily while
i was still married.
...emotional breakdowns...
like, i don’t need the world
and i don’t need everyone else
to understand me.
yeah.
it was too much.
that was a tough one.
shaun robinson:
i’m speechless.
alright. now-
i called her. she got mad.
okay. so now
there’s -- okay.
so...
...and shocking confrontations.
what’d you say?
b*tch, there’d been
more than a glass
flying out your
hand.
i didn’t say
i was innocent.
sasha’s true behavior.
we’ll see that once he actually
gets the green card.
i’m so
sick of hearing this.
jasmin. it feels like
we’re not worth her time.
no. no. no, no, no.
the only way you can hurt me
is through my son,
and it ain’t
happening.
no. that’s not
what happened.
put camera back, hon.
no.
this story goes real deep,
and it’s dark.
remember this, baby.
no, giggle your a*s,
cut them off the screen
or i’ll walk out this.
shaun:
plus, we get to the bottom
of what really happened
between mike and natalie.
i never lied to you.
i never lied to you.
okay. i’m sorry.
he was cheating?
shaun: mike, what is
she talking about?
robert: she said betrayed.
what did you do?
she said betrayed.
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you ready, ann?
it was a long road
getting to this point.
after the wedding,
me and anny, you know, we been
going through ups and downs,
and she’s really making this
relationship very difficult.
okay.
let’s go, baby.
the relationship that juliana
and my ex-wife, sarah, formed
and the fact that
it formed so quickly --
it’s unbelievable.
i think things will come up
as we get into
some of the grittier details.
wear that.
emily: ever since sasha
arrived in america,
he doesn’t really know how to
navigate american friendships.
i got him a gym membership.
i take him out to
the mall, you know?
just trying to gain
that independence.
we need to
get going.
okay. i guess
it’s time.
it’s been tough.
anna: the 90 days has been
a lot of stress.
yes.
anna:
that wedding day was just a blur
and just a really emotional day.
joey, my oldest son,
didn’t show up.
one my brothers didn’t
talk to me for a couple weeks.
no one would support it.
i’m nervous.
me too, me too.
mike: coming into
the tell all experience today,
it’s stressful, you know,
because i’m here by myself.
i originally planned to be here
with natalie,
and we did have a big fallout.
she gave me the ring back.
i know there’s gonna
be questions.
there’s obviously gonna
be questions,
and i don’t know how
i’m gonna feel about it.
i’m trying to
hold in there, you know?
it’s just --
it’s hard.
angela:
going to nigeria, it’s always
wonderful seeing michael,
but i feel cheated because
michael was denied the visa.
there’s a reason this happened
and it ain’t on my end.
and maybe michael
screwed the visa up.
i want to know what happened.
did michael do it?
did the officer do it?
we have too much proof
that we are doing this legit.
i have worries, and it’s like,
i’ve worked so much
and i’ve supported
the both of us.
i think that’s
very unfair to me.
i know i have to get a job
to get money
and progress in life
and all of that,
but i am surely not gonna do
something i hate.
he knows what i’m looking for
in, like, a partner
in a relationship.
it’s nothing that
he hasn’t agreed to.
is he gonna live up to it
or is he not?
man: michael and natalie,
you can hear us?
natalie:
yes, i can.
yeah, i can hear you.
how do you
like america?
america is
pretty crazy.
crazy, yeah.
man: are you guys hearing
the translator okay?
nice to meet you.
nice to meet you.
hey, man.
pleasure to meet you.
i feel like my legs
look really short
and i chose the wrong shoes
for this dress.
woman: guys, we got to start
walking in. i’m sorry.
yeah.
man: alright, great, guys.
bring them in.
bring them in.
bring them in.
you can fill out the coach
a little, alright?
so, tania and syngin,
robert and anny,
and michael, juliana, anna.
blake, jasmin.
emily and sasha.
where’s my sexy
nigerian baby?
man: alright. ready, guys?
here we go.
shaun:
okay, guys, ready?
let’s do this.
three, two...
shaun:
hello and welcome.
i’m shaun robinson
and this is
"90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
it was a remarkable season
filled with firsts.
we had a foreigner go home
and then return,
an american leave the country
during her 90 days,
plus is there
unfinished business
between mike and natalie?
we are going to hear
from everybody
and we brought in a translator
for mursel,
so he can participate fully
in our conversation.
okay, before i move on,
i have to say,
tania, what happened and
i hope whatever happened,
syngin is helping you
around the house?
syngin is definitely
helping me around the house.
i had a car accident.
uh-oh.
yeah.
and now i had surgery.
i had plates and screws
put in my foot.
ow.
i’m glad you’re okay.
and mike, i understand
that you almost did not
make it here today.
almost.
i just got a hectic schedule
right now and it’s quite a trip.
was it totally
work related
and not anything to do
with the relationship?
no.
our relationship’s just...
you know, we’re working on it
as we go along.
so, yeah.
what exactly
are you working on?
we’re working on
our differences, you know?
we have some major differences,
so it’s been quite stressful.
and natalie,
do you agree with that?
mm.
i don’t know
what to say.
honestly, i don’t know.
i’m sorry. i’m sorry.
okay. we’re gonna come back to
this later, mike.
alright.
what’s better than
seeing your loved one
after a long time apart?
how about seeing them
here in america?
tania:
i’m romancing him.
yo, yo, yo!
oh, yes!
it’s like, great. i don’t know.
it’s nice cuddling him
and smelling his armpit,
playing with his underarm hair.
i haven’t played with it
in six months.
mm.
it’s been a long time.
so long.
one of
my favorite things.
mursel.
hello, anna.
oh.
how’s your first night
sleeping in america?
you guys were
kind of loud last night.
no.
yeah.
your mom...
pat, pat.
smacking you?
yes.
yeah, he was being belligerent.
angela: we have a lot to
get done on this trip.
but for now,
i’m just gonna lay in bed
with my sexy nigerian, baby.
i brought this for you.
mnh-mnh. mnh-mnh.
yeah.
okay, you don’t like
that one?
you can put
this one on.
look at the booty.
bring it home to mama.
bring it home to mama.
anny!
robert: before anny
gets to the united states,
it’s just me and bryson
sleeping in the bed.
and anny’s just gonna
have to deal
with bryson
sleeping in the middle.
my plan is to buy
a little bed or something,
and we can
put it over there.
certainly a lot of people
may think i’m just
an old, sleazy, rich guy going
after the young, hot woman.
i don’t really care.
we could sh**t
a limousine porno.
right?
limo porn?
emily: i met a hot personal
trainer named sasha in russia.
i think baby number two
will be coming soon.
you know something
i don’t know?
she thinks she can’t
get pregnant
’cause she’s
breastfeeding.
you left just you,
and you came back
with two boys.
two boys!
yeah, two of them.
oh, god.
blake: jasmine is
coming in from finland
to start a new life with me.
oh, there she is.
hey.
hey, you.
alright, so, what do
you want to do?
you know, we have
some alone time.
i’ll wait here.
okay. i want to start with
jasmine and blake.
jasmine, you were like,
"i want to get in the shower.
i want to go to sleep.
basically, i don’t want you
to touch me, blake."
i just wanted to take a shower
first, at least.
i’d been sitting, like,
but blake, you were looking
like, "well, wait a minute.
i can’t believe you want
to just go to sleep."
okay?
"sleep" together.
i’m really like,
private about that stuff.
so, they left
out that.
well, okay,
anna and mursel,
your kids said, anna,
that you were loud?
it was not loud
like that.
it might’ve been a little bit
of tapping.
some love taps?
like headboard tapping.
a little --
maybe headboard
tapping.
mike: a little
headboard tapping?
were you loud,
that first night?
the leaves?
shaun: the leaves?
he was rocking
the trees outside?
alright. tania, what is this
thing about armpit hair?
i don’t know.
he has --
she loves the way i smell,
i don’t know.
i do.
there’s just something
that i just like --
that i love.
and i do,
i just --
his arm hair --
it’s so soft,
and it’s like,
a little long.
and we’ll just be
laying there
and i just twirl
my fingers through it.
okay.
robert and anny.
bryson in the bed?
how do you guys
maneuver that?
you got your shower, you got
the living room, anywhere.
the couch.
you got anywhere.
so, you improvise.
amen.
i mean, he has to
go to school, right?
good one.
we had two weeks together,
and i counted 38 times.
what?!
mike: wow, he’s the man.
38 times?
shaun: 38 times?.
he’s a beast,
shaun.
robert: she said two weeks
and 38 times?
angela, i don’t
believe you.
i promise.
in two weeks?
i promise. yes.
it was four times a day
with michael.
stop it.
michael, is that true?
don’t tell that!
welcome to america.
freedom country.
you can say
whatever you want.
so, how many times?
it’s sacred?
okay.
like, once a day during the day
when the kids are at school.
when the kids
are at school.
okay.
we got an active group here.
mike, when you and natalie
were together?
i would say two to three times
a day, no problem.
shaun: really?
two to three times a day?
natalie, is that true?
that’s it.
yes.
okay.
she says yes, okay.
mike, i am so confused about
where were you guys stand.
we left really,
really not on a good foot.
okay.
we’re going to find out
more about that.
coming up...
in the middle of your 90 days,
you leave for a month.
yeah, there was
definitely times
i was like, "
this is crazy right now."
like, i flew
all this way.
this is 90 days,
not 60 days.
you all just only been in person
for eight hours,
where we had
nine months together.
you’re judging me?
they’re the ones
okay.
and later...
i don’t like what i see
when i look in the mirror.
i can give her advice
what to eat,
because i know
about this.
where did you
get your degree from?
uh...
google?
welcome back to "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
now, tania becomes
the first american
in the history of
"90 day fiancé"
to leave the country,
and she does so for 30 days.
do they need the extra pressure,
and is this union strong enough
to survive it?
i know, i’m heading
to costa rica.
woman: for real?
yeah.
yeah, i’m going to costa rica
for one month
and he has to
stay out here.
what?!
yeah.
oh.
leaving me for so long.
welcome.
now she’s leaving you.
oh, so how are you going to
feel living with mom
without her around?
i don’t know.
that’s the question.
how is that gonna be,
you know?
how do you feel that
she booked that ticket,
knowing you were coming?
i don’t know.
i came here not to be lonely
and i ended up feeling lonelier.
but it’s only for
the time being,
i understand that,
but it’s been...
it’s been
we don’t really talk.
whoo. lord, lord, lord,
let me tell you.
tania, you got ripped
on social media for this.
mm-hmm.
you know?
mm-hmm.
in the middle of your 90 days,
you leave for a month.
what was so important
about this trip
that you had to take it
at that time?
why not postpone it
for another year?
i have already postponed it
for two years,
and he understood why
putting it off for a third year
would have been, like,
really hard for me to do.
that was actually
after the 90 days.
robert: i wouldn’t have
did that to anny,
because i need
that time.
this is 90 days,
not 60 days.
you all just only been in person
for eight hours,
where we had
nine months together.
you’re judging me?
no, i’m not
judging you.
tania: watching syngin, like,
it does hurt me.
i am...
people feel like i am
just some hard, cold b*tch
and i have no feelings.
you’re really getting flamed
a lot for this stuff.
i mean, pretty severely.
yeah.
and it’s the farthest
from the truth.
if i made the decision
on my own,
it would have been
really selfish.
but it was a decision
that both of us made,
for me to still go.
but, tania.
seeing the footage
of you dancing.
you know, you’re in the club
and everything.
i think a lot
of people thought,
"well, is she going
there for work,
or is she going there to hang
out and have a good time?"
what would you say?
i had free time.
i was there for 30 days,
we had classes monday to friday,
and then, so, i had friday
and saturday nights off.
so, syngin,
it seems as though
that month seemed like it
was very difficult for you.
yeah, there was
definitely times
i was like, "
this is crazy right now."
like, i flew all this way
and now i’m like,
like, i am nervous being here,
i don’t really know
your mom and your sister.
so it was,
it was really
when she had to go
for those 30 days.
syngin’s also a grown adult,
who can also fend for himself.
when i went
to south africa,
everyone’s like, "oh,
well he’s in a new country."
what did you do to
accommodate me in a new country?
as much as i possibly can,
for her as well.
she was my comfort,
my best friend, my safe spot,
everything,
and that was
okay.
okay. well, syngin’s will is
tested once more,
as he tries to plan
for a better life.
i have a few plans.
as soon as i get, like,
my working permit,
i think i would like
to start off
maybe, like,
bar tendering you know?
to get a quick
cash income,
anything like that.
and then yeah,
just going around,
maybe to apply, see
if i can become a fireman.
oh, that’s good.
yeah
or, like, i want to go do,
like, hollywood auditions
and i want to go
try out opera.
it’s, like,
basically whatever.
on arriving to america
it kind of feels to me
like a new
slate in life, you know?
so i’m looking at all kinds
of crazy
i hate being
in the works.
i just wish
you’d figure it out.
i’m gonna get a
steady job,
even though i know i’m gonna be
in the system.
i’m gonna take this system
up my bum.
i’m gonna do it.
like, you could have just done
a woodworking course
over these past
couple days.
i’m gonna stop
lingering on the past.
i’m pissed that you --
bringing up the past.
i’m pissed that i went
to go learn
and i told you
to go learn your woodworking.
like, when the time
is right to me.
but i’m telling you, though,
i don’t have much more time!
damn. i forgot about some
of this stuff went down.
so, syngin, what do
you want to do?
do you know?
i want to
try everything.
can you sing opera?
a little bit.
please belt out.
no.
just do it.
blake: i was curious
about that, too.
okay, go.
belt it out.
alright.
okay.
okay.
okay, so,
you might do that.
you might become
an opera singer or...
so, the thing is he has
all these dreams.
i have started reaching out
to singing coaches.
okay.
he wanted
to do woodworking shop,
and i started looking up
woodworking classes.
something.
what are the steps
that you will do to see
if any of these
are the options?
and he’s not taking
any of the steps?
i do sometimes suffer
with procrastination.
you know,
i’m always like...
whatever.
not procrastination.
just not even
making a plan.
amen.
let me finish.
so, then it’s like
i also believe the universe
will take me
wherever i can.
i know you got to take actions
for the universe
to push you into some direction,
wherever it needs to be.
but yeah, that’s one thing i
actually like about her as well.
she sometimes reminds me
to take those steps so...
i understand you, but i have
to do what i have to do,
you know, to make that money,
to build that life.
first you have to crawl
before you walk.
that’s
real relationship.
you have to bend.
even i bend.
maybe not much,
but i bend.
i want the best for both of us
and i don’t want us
to be miserable and
be 50 years old and look back
and have jobs we hate.
so, do you think you’re gonna
be the sole breadwinner
for a while?
no, he will work.
it has to be something
i really like.
syngin.
but i worked in the mines
for seven years of my life.
i started at
the age of 17
and i got to a point
where i was depressed
in the mornings.
i was thinking
of suicide.
...in not being so stupid
and irrational at times.
i don’t know ’cause as soon as
i feel a little bit like,
"aah,"
sounds like ptsd.
yes and
we’ve talked about therapy.
god bless her.
yes, and i think
something that people
also don’t realize that really
added to my frustration,
he hadn’t worked
since february of 2018.
i was the one
supporting us.
we made the decision for him
not to work when i came back
’cause he would
volunteer.
but he also didn’t follow
through with that either.
it’s like the world looks
at me like i’m crazy
and taking his spirit away
and like all of this stuff
and it’s like, no, he makes
these promises to me
and i just want
him to follow through,
and if you decide that this
isn’t the person you want to be,
then let me know,
like, and then
we’ll make that decision.
one of us will have
to make that decision.
okay.
let’s talk about
the baby timeline.
now, syngin, this timeline
has changed for you.
let’s take a look back.
tania: kids have always been
in my future plan,
so i won’t be married to someone
who doesn’t want to have kids.
soon as i push
the first one out,
i’m popping
your sperm back in me
and we’re pushing another
one out in nine months.
how does that make you feel?
yeah.
how do you feel
about that?
uh...
now, syngin you feel like you’re
under a timeline, right?
because of pressure
from tania, right?
i am still very indecisive
when it comes to having a child.
when i have a
job i choose,
i’m not gonna do
this job anymore and i’ll go.
but, like,
if i have a child,
i might just have to do
that job.
so, if it were up to you,
you would wait until when?
you know, i can’t say that
because i don’t know
when i will feel settled down
or the right time.
so, it’s not even in the near
future for you?
you know, it’s something
we still bump heads about.
it’s...
that’s a big thing
to bump heads about.
it’s a big thing.
we’ve been kind of skipping
around the fact that we don’t
talk about it too much
’cause it’s like,
you know,
do we split if
i don’t want kids?
is it good enough
to not be together?
i don’t know.
that’s huge.
yeah, we did get married with
still some disagreements
on our future.
okay.
so, you look up
and it’s five years later
and he still
doesn’t want kids.
would you get divorced?
hmm.
i think
sasha’s true behavior --
we’ll see that once
he actually gets the green card.
i’m so
sick of hearing
"all they want
is a green card."
i’m so
sick of hearing this.
angela: yeah, no,
giggle your a*s,
cut him off the screen
or i’ll walk out this.
michael,
michael, michael.
kiss this
white-trashy a*s.
tania, if, like, you look up
and it’s five years later
and he still
doesn’t want kids,
would you get divorced?
hmm.
syngin, do you think
this could be an issue
that dooms the relationship
down the line?
i think it’s
definitely something
that we probably would
break up over.
well...
okay.
yeah.
why would you
get married then?
yeah.
i mean, if you both have
different ideas on that.
me and tania
decided to get married.
like, when i said skip
around the fact,
we kind of still knew
that the child’s
a lingering thing, you know?
unfortunately,
we only had 90 days,
so it was either that
or i fly back to south africa
and we continue long distance,
which doesn’t really work.
so...
it was always like,
oh, in like seven to ten years.
i was like, three,
and then i was like,
"we can work something out
in that timeline."
sometimes
i just don’t know.
but now it went to totally,
like, "oh, now i don’t know
if i want to have a kid,"
and it’s like,
i am waiting.
i’m waiting.
shaun: i hope you guys
can work this out.
well, the pressure
our couples face
never seems to relent,
and one of
the hardest things
about starting
a new relationship
is dealing with
your partner’s old ones.
is that her?
yeah.
marcia: hi. privyet
hi.
privyet.
privyet.
shaun: oh.
listening to that video
and looking at it,
she sounds
like a hater.
i think she’s jealous and maybe
regrets that she lost him.
after meeting marcia, what’d you
think about her theory
about your relationship
with sasha?
i think marcia is
a very negative person.
she doesn’t take any
responsibility for the downfall
of her marriage
with sasha.
my theory, she’s probably --
don’t remember every detail
about our past.
it was that overlap
between your relationship.
did you meet
your second ex-wife
when you were still
married to marcia?
no, i met my second wife
after we broke up.
okay. well, what about
your relationship with emily?
did you meet emily before
or after you were divorced
from your second wife?
uh...
i met emily
while i was still married.
i was still married.
well, we didn’t begin
a romantic relationship
until they were
separated.
she was just my client,
that’s it.
i did think he was cute,
and i did ask him out,
and he said no,
and he shot me down.
and then one day he said
"oh, hello, emily,"
and we started having
a conversation,
and i found out
they broke up.
i didn’t say
i was innocent.
yeah, i made
mistakes, too.
what mistakes
did you make, sasha?
maybe i wasn’t a perfect
father to my oldest son.
i was just
well, there’s someone here who
has a lot of opinions on this.
please welcome into
the conversation emily’s sister
and sasha’s sister-in-law,
betsy.
hi betsy.
hi.
now, betsy,
when you met sasha,
it didn’t take you long
to raise a few red flags.
let’s take a look.
i know i need to do this
because when he starts to work,
he’s gonna be
around gorgeous people all day,
and in the back of my head,
there is always that worry
like, "who is he looking at
when he’s at the gym?"
so, i want to be
the best version of myself.
you’ve got the wedding,
baby part down,
but you don’t have
the marriage part down.
emily:
there’s a pattern here.
he gets someone pregnant,
he gets married,
and shortly thereafter,
it all falls apart.
your first bowl
of american cereal.
oh.
what is this?
okay. this will be
a cheat meal.
my cheat meal?
and your mama
eating this, too?
woman: no. no, no,
i don’t eat that.
oh, okay.
good. i can see.
stop eating this,
okay?
ooh. okay.
hey, betsy.
do you think sasha
fat shames emily?
i think that sasha confuses
weight and health,
and appearance and health.
he cares what she looks like.
he doesn’t actually care
if she’s healthy.
as i said, i want my wife
to look and feel healthy.
yeah, keyword,
"look".
so, i’m taking care of her
and all my family.
you’re not
a nutrition professional.
you’re a personal trainer.
you can show her
how to lift the weights.
that doesn’t mean you can
tell her what to eat.
i can give her advice what to
eat because i know about this.
where did you get
your degree from?
google?
emily, do you feel some pressure
from sasha to lose the weight?
i don’t like what i see
when i look in the mirror,
and it hasn’t been easy.
i don’t want to look
like this forever.
i want to --
you are beautiful.
you are beautiful.
i want to be how i was
before pregnancy.
and it is. it’s really hard
to look at myself in the mirror.
throughout your life, your body
changes, and it’s okay.
i don’t like
me right now.
i don’t like me.
and it is affecting
my self esteem
and it is affecting
our relationship.
i’m in a bad mood
all the time,
so i am trying to get out
and be more active.
but it’s hard because
i work full time,
and when i get
home from work,
i want to spend time
with my baby,
and i’m tired because the baby’s
not sleeping through the night.
it is so hard to, like,
get motivated,
but i’m trying my best.
hmm.
that’s why i’m trying
to help her.
she hates it when
i eat junk food
but that’s how it --
yeah, see? but that’s
how it starts.
blake: exactly.
no "oh, it looks beautiful.
eat your junk food."
exactly. you’re not helping it
if you’re allowing it.
betsy:
diets don’t work.
you have to
listen to your body,
and if you restrict, that
will build up a mentality
that leads
to bingeing later on.
your body will tell you
"eat whatever you want"
and you will get
whatever you deserve.
tania: he’s gained weight
being here, too.
like, you look great.
like, if you want to
lose the weight,
you can lose the weight,
but i love you,
big papa.
like, you know?
like, you look great to me,
so it’s also trying
to make your partner
feel comfortable in the skin
they’re in, no matter
what weight they’re at.
betsy, has your sister changed
since she started dating sasha?
it’s definitely that pressure
on new moms
that i think is something
that has affected her behavior
and that sasha’s
not helpful.
shaun: oh, okay.
let’s talk about some of
your other criticisms
of the relationship, betsy.
you said that sasha
has this pattern,
that he will meet a woman,
she gets pregnant,
they get married,
and then he leaves her.
do you think that is
gonna happen to emily?
i don’t think that sasha
really respects
the institution of marriage
as a lifetime commitment.
for them, it was
a legal necessity
if they wanted to be
in the united states
and that is why
they’re married.
if his ex
is yelling at him,
telling him he’s a piece of
all the time,
he should stay
in that marriage?
i think
sasha’s true behavior --
we’ll see that once he actually
gets the green card.
right now he’s dependent on her
and my family for everything.
i’m so
sick of hearing
"all they want
is a green card."
i’m so
sick of hearing this.
what do you think’s
gonna happen
when he gets the green card,
betsy?
that he’s gonna get a job
and he’ll be able to live
independently if he wants to.
that changes the dynamic
completely.
we were living just fine for
the past three years in moscow
and he had
every chance to leave me
while he was working
in the center of moscow
where there are a ton
of beautiful women.
and rich.
rich, beautiful women?
okay.
but he stuck by me.
he was a great father.
he was home when
he could be, and...
sasha, do you think you and
emily will be together forever?
i can see this.
i hope that emily and sasha
are happy...
thank you.
...that she can be herself.
alright, betsy, thank you
so much for joining us.
"90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all"
returns after this.
emily: i’m, like,
shaking.
i don’t know if i didn’t
eat enough, or what.
you have so many people
around you, of course.
you’ll be fine.
don’t worry.
betsy is thinking that i know
nothing about nutritions
and diet,
but it’s not true.
i know something about this.
mursel: if i come home every day
and i’m telling you
"oh, i’m fat"
i agree with sasha,
and like she said,
she even said it herself,
she doesn’t like the way
that she looks.
emily:
we made the decision to not
live in indiana with betsy
and i think
that was for the best.
the distance does help because
she is kind of a nosy person,
so it is good
to have that distance.
it’s better for our
relationship.
coming up...
shaun: why did you two
get divorced?
was there infidelity?
sarah: i’ll let
michael answer that.
and later...
if there are
more children produced,
then that strictly
takes away from bryson.
if we have
a sister or a brother
he’s gonna love
that baby as well.
how often do you guys
see bryson?
never. never.
we haven’t.
wait, wait,
wait, wait.
let’s time-out.
let’s time-out this.
yeah, let’s stop.
let’s time-out this.
it’s not
going right.
welcome back to "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
when juliana came to the u.s.,
she entered the american dream,
but she expressed
a lot of guilt about it.
let’s take a look.
michael: this is
the master bedroom.
michael:
what do you think?
it’s too big.
we’ll get
used to it.
shaun:
wow. okay.
so, juliana, you said
it would be difficult
for your family
to see your lifestyle here.
but they expect you
to send money back to them.
do you still send money
back to brazil?
to your family
every month?
every month you do?
juliana has a home in brazil
that she’s --
...paying for and now
her family lives in it.
really?
why not?
wow.
i’m sorry.
i’m sorry.
it’s really strange.
that’s heat.
juliana, in their mind,
she was the only hope.
that’s the same thing
in this country.
you can help somebody
out a million times
and that one time you say no,
they hate you.
michael: yeah.
shaun: right.
so, thank you for sharing
that story with us, juliana.
but you also walked into
a complicated family dynamic.
let’s take a look.
hey!
i don’t know if juliana’s in it
for the right reasons.
i hope she is.
obviously there’s going to be
an adjustment period,
but what i want from you
is to not parent at all.
please welcome michael’s
ex-wife sarah.
hi there!
to applause.
shaun: hello.
welcome.
thank you.
so, all is wonderful
in the family, i see.
alright.
so far.
we’ll see
what happens.
so, you two were married
how long?
you and michael?
well, 12 years?
12 years?
okay.
yeah.
alright.
why did you two
get divorced?
i’ll let michael
answer that.
well, that’s
a complicated question.
it wasn’t one thing,
but i was definitely
getting a little crazy
with traveling, partying,
just trying to escape.
i wasn’t feeling
very free in life
and i was in a very bad
downward spiral.
okay.
sarah, your facial
expressions have said a lot.
i try to hide them.
i can’t.
tell me your feelings
about why the marriage ended.
i think the facial expressions
that i was...
i think what i was reacting
to was when michael said
that he was not feeling
very free in life,
because i always gave him
a lot of latitude.
he did a lot of traveling
our entire marriage,
and relationship,
even when we were dating.
and so it just kind of
surprised me
that he would say that he felt
like he didn’t have freedom
when from my point of view,
he did.
yeah.
was there infidelity?
uh...
coming up...
robert: time out, time out.
red flag. let’s throw that
red flag and bring that back.
if you’re snooping, you’re gonna
find what you’re looking for.
stop snooping.
did that surprise you?
that surprised me and it
gave me concern, obviously.
and later...
michael,
why’d you lie to me?
this happened
a year ago.
i’ll be honest.
i would be pissed too.
i would be real pissed.
i didn’t lie.
i didn’t...
was there infidelity?
uh...
not before
divorce was filed.
i think...
i guess it depends on how
you would define infidelity.
how do you define it?
relationships that go
beyond friendship.
do you think there was any
of that during the marriage?
yeah.
i will admit to
emotional infidelity,
if you put it
that way.
so what? were you going online
to meet women?
no, no, no.
or are you going
to these parties?
yeah, just in the course
of partying with friends,
like whatsapp.
texting.
but it would be
relatively friendly,
but you could tell it
was more than just,
"oh, hey,
it was nice to meet you."
it would be flirting.
and even though...
and i would never made
any stories up
about not being a married guy
either with a family.
had you heard michael
talk about this before?
no it’s not.
you’re his...
no, it’s not.
you mean, michael, you don’t
talk to juliana
about your relationship
and the divorce?
well, we’ve
talked about...
i’ve told you basically
what i just said, you know?
yeah.
okay.
hoo. okay.
so, sarah...
yes.
shaun: when you found out
the age difference,
did that surprise you?
that surprised me, and it
gave me concern, obviously.
what were your concerns?
that she would come here,
get her modeling career
off the ground,
and sort of
hit the road.
when did you realize
that juliana was not
in this relationship
just for a green card?
she just began to tell me
so much about herself,
and i could just see that
she has strong family values,
and that she would not get
into a situation like this,
especially when kids
are involved, and hurt them.
one thing that is very genuine
is the friendship
that you two have
with each other.
i saw you holding hands.
yeah.
juliana, is sarah really your
best friend here in the states?
yes.
oh, cool.
tell me about the --
that’s impressive.
tell me about the relationship
between you two.
i think that’s the most
beautiful story y’all have.
i never met michael’s
girlfriends,
and i’m like,
"them b*tches."
i mean,
that’s just...
like, i couldn’t imagine
being friends.
i could never, ever.
shaun: right.
well, we have heard
from the adults,
but, hey, what do they know?
let’s get someone out here who
can really give us perspective.
let’s welcome max and cece.
come out, guys.
whoo-hoo!
syngin:
stars of the show.
hi, there, cece.
you know you won
over the internet, right?
the internet loves you.
so, when did you first learn
about juliana?
my dad said that
he found a girlfriend.
yeah?
yeah?
what else?
her name was juliana, and she
was 20 years younger than him.
19.
and what did you think
when he said that?
i was like,
"my god, dad."
okay, he was like,
"my god, dad."
okay.
so, since
you all are so wise,
do you have any advice for
any of the other couples here?
i feel like
they should, like,
learn more about
each other’s cultures
before they try to get
into a relationship.
very well said, man.
or at least a little bit
of their language, too,
so they can communicate.
uh-huh.
yeah.
michael: yeah.
yeah, communication
is very important.
i’m sorry.
that’s okay.
shaun: yeah, yeah.
and tell me, who is
your favorite couple?
well, besides my...
besides.
well, i like
syngin and tania.
you do?
thank you.
why do you like them?
’cause they seem to work
for each other.
okay.
and they live
pretty close, too.
oh, they do?
okay.
and cece,
what about you?
i don’t really know
the girl’s name,
but i like michael
and i forget
the girl’s...
natalie.
yeah, michael and natalie.
shaun:
oh, you like mike on the end --
yeah.
and natalie,
who’s on the monitor?
you do?
okay.
why do you like them?
i just feel like they
appreciate each other a lot.
i’m not saying that
the rest of them don’t.
thank you
very much.
shaun: nice.
very nice.
she blew you
a kiss.
oh, i’m sorry.
kiss back.
cece and max, thank you
so much for being here.
you are adorable.
okay. "90 day fiance:
the couples tell all"
returns right after this.
ready?
shaun: how are you doing?
okay? alright.
it’s lunch time.
man: 10 minute break!
yes, we can.
darling.
syngin: for me, it was very nice
to see your wife,
and your ex-wife,
and your kids.
i just sat back
and watched you,--
just like
a little love bubble.
it was really cool.
sasha: that’s really nice
that juliana and sarah
are a good relationship,
i wish emily has good
relationship with my exes, too
because, you know,
juliana and sarah,
they are in good relationship
with each other.
i understand that part.
i wish you and
my exes the same-
oh, i didn’t
hear "wish."
yes.
yeah.
can you hear me?
yeah, i can hear you.
i’m open to it,
but they’re not.
michael:
it does take two, you know?
robert: you can’t force
somebody to do it.
you can’t make somebody else
feel one way or the other.
exactly. they’re entitled
to their feeling about me.
really jealous
about it.
man: everyone back
on the set, please.
can we get everyone
in position, please?
mike.
man:
three, two...
shaun: hello, once again
to everybody.
you ready to continue?
like it or not, money plays
an important role
in all relationships,
and our couples
are no exceptions.
robert: i’m trying my best
to keep anny happy
but i feel like
she’s very selfish.
money just don’t
grow on trees
and it definitely don’t
fall out of my a*s.
come on in.
it’s a great spot.
so, i had recently
renewed my lease.
for a year?
yes.
okay.
so, i won’t be able
to opt out my lease.
robert, why did
you sign a new lease
knowing that anny was coming
and you needed more space?
i didn’t know when she was
gonna get here or not.
my son’s preschool
is, like, pretty much
across the street from my house.
so, i’m not gonna just
take my son out of a school
where he’d been going
for two years.
no, ’cause that would be unfair
to him to take him out of --
okay. we also saw robert
taking anny to the goodwill.
huh?
alright.
i took anny there
to test her out.
to see if she was really
all about money.
to me,
it was just a game.
anny, what did you think
of that game?
so, what?
you’ve had to
deal with people
calling you a gold digger
on social media.
yeah.
so for you, it’s just
wasn’t about the money?
i got money, but i just
don’t throw it.
in my bank account.
hmm.
"hmm."
i’m making what?
my rent,
two car payments,
and taking care
of my son,
and i’m taking care
of my other children
and on top of that,
i’m paying my son’s school.
right. while financial strains
are a source of stress,
even more stressing
is dealing with jealousy.
let’s take a look.
what girls
you talking about?
what?
that’s old, though.
it ain’t like it’s up there now.
that’s old.
you got a past,
too, alright?
how many photos you got of me
on your instagram?
no. you want to
bring that up?
let’s go.
let’s go.
wow. alright.
well, anny, you wanted
robert to delete
all the pictures
of his ex-girlfriends, right?
time out,
time out.
red flag. let’s throw that
red flag and bring that back.
it was not in my phone,
alright?
technically,
it’s on my facebook
and that’s, like,
so old.
anny: who wants to
be live with a man --
wait, tania,
on your social media,
you have pictures of exes?
but they’re
old pictures.
like, one night,
i get woken up --
"why is this
on your phone?"
what? that’s, like, from
a year ago. i don’t know.
so, syngin,
you don’t care
that she has pictures of
her exes on her social media?
no, i do. it bugs me.
oh, he cares.
like, i do have a little
bit of jealousy sometimes.
let me clear the air.
this is the thing.
i said this --
i don’t have
a problem
deleting the photos
with me and the moms.
i don’t have a problem
with that,
but if the kids are in
the photos with the mom,
that’s a different
story.
because i’m deleting
my children in that photo.
well, she’s saying there’s
no children in the photo.
i told her before --
no, no, no.
you know there’s photos
of my kids, too.
no. you lie.
where is the phone?
bring the phone out.
bring the phone out.
if you snooping, you gonna
find what you’re looking for.
stop snooping.
now, you will be hard pressed
to find a more expl*sive moment
than the interactions between
anny and bryson’s grandparents.
please welcome
stephanie and her husband ben.
let’s take a look.
i want you to understand that
as long as you’re with robert
and embracing his life,
i’m going to be there.
what form of birth control
are you using right now?
i have very
serious concerns
and i kind of
don’t feel bad for asking
anny questions that i shouldn’t
have been asking her,
but i think that in the future,
it’s gonna backfire
and he’s gonna be
financially responsible.
i think
the whole thing is...
yeah, i feel like
he’s just marrying a maid.
i mean, are you looking
to get pregnant?
why don’t
i write you a check
and buy you a plane ticket back
to the dominican republic?
uh --
just tell me
how much you want.
why would you
even do that?
i’ve got problems
with you already.
shaun:
wow. alright.
well, anny, first off,
how did you feel
when stephanie asked you
what kind of birth control
you were using?
yes.
well, stephanie, why did you ask
any of those questions
when you first met her?
well, we all have figured out
that robert is fertile myrtle.
he’s really good
at having babies.
yeah, he’s not good at life,
but he knows how to make a baby.
robert: yeah, but
i take care of my kids.
oh, you do.
i’m not saying --
and if anny
have a kid by me,
it’s nobody business
but our own.
i have concerns, if there are
more children produced,
then that strictly
takes away from bryson.
no matter
how you look at it.
because i have
my wife here.
how’s that take away
from bryson?
it takes away
from bryson.
when bryson is in a house
that’s united,
and if he have a sister
or a brother,
he’s gonna love
that baby as well,
and that’s just bringing
in more love to my son.
i -- i --
i asked him --
a question like that
should come from my mom.
the question came from
your son’s grandmother,
who has taken care of bryson
since bryson was born.
you’re not
my mother.
that’s something my mother
should say.
i’m not getting why
you would tell her that
instead of asking
her questions about the baby.
i asked
her questions --
"how are you getting
along with him?"
...about her and bryson’s
relationship as well.
how often do you guys
see bryson?
never. never.
we haven’t --
no, no, no, no.
wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait.
let’s time out.
let’s time out.
yeah, let’s stop.
stop.
and now,
you done threatened me
and sent me
some nasty texts.
that’s why bryson is not
going in your crib.
straight up and down.
stephanie:
i did not threaten you.
robert: no. no.
the only way you could hurt me
is through my son
and it ain’t happening.
we’re not
going into this.
that’s why my son
is not going to your house.
ben: that’s not what happened.
put the camera back.
it’s not happening.
you threatened me.
it’s not
happening.
we’re not
going into this.
that’s why my son
is not going to your house.
ben: that’s not what happened.
put the camera back.
it’s not happening.
you threatened me.
that’s not happening.
alright.
let me...
okay, guys.
guys. guys.
it’s a lot behind that
that y’all don’t know.
okay. so --
oof.
what happened?
do you want to know
what happened?
this story goes real deep,
and it’s dark.
people talking.
let me
tell you something --
they can dog me
all they want,
but i’m a good dude.
yeah.
i had an apartment fire.
i was homeless
for two months.
i stayed with good friends,
right?
good friends opened
their doors for me.
my family told me, "yo,
bring bryson up to atlanta
and don’t worry
about him.
you know
he in good arms."
and didn’t stephanie say, "hey,
open the doors for my son"?
no.
there’s no respect.
there’s no respect.
i had beef with her in the past.
what do you need
from stephanie and ben?
it was
always stephanie.
i never had
an issue with ben.
that’s so
out of line.
it’s hard to even get
your head around it.
it’s inexcusable.
okay, tell me this.
tell me this, robert.
stephanie and you --
how can that
be repaired?
i don’t know.
you can’t hurt me.
you can’t break me.
you can’t do
nothing to me.
but what you can hurt me
is through my son.
i’m not gonna give you
that chance to break me.
okay. so, we are going to
move on from that topic
because obviously, there is
a lot to unpack there.
two words
are always colliding,
whether it’s faith,
tradition or family.
and for
anna and mursel,
these cultural differences
pushed them to the edge.
let’s take a look.
do you want, like,
coverage, no coverage?
well,
mursel is muslim,
so he feels like you
should cover everything up.
but, i’m in america,
so...
the dress can’t have
a lot of cleavage.
a lot of skin can’t be showing.
i can’t have a short dress,
that’s for sure.
if mursel had it his way,
i would have a dress that
covered me from the neck down.
i think that’s
too much coverage.
you think it’s too
much coverage?
right in here.
woman: shots!
shot, shot, shot,
shot, shot!
to anna!
i haven’t had any girl’s night
since mursel’s arrived.
finally, i get to get a break,
have some fun,
not worry about someone
telling me not to drink.
is he willing
to wait...
whether or not
he’s going to you
if you had
a few drinks?
we’ve done it after
a couple drinks,
but he doesn’t want to kiss me,
i think, is the thing.
shaun:
whoa. okay.
oh, god.
now, just a reminder,
we have a translator
in mursel’s ear right now,
so he can fully participate
in the conversation.
mursel, were you surprised
by all of the things
that anna was saying during
that bachelorette party?
natural in
american culture.
okay, okay.
you know, your relationship
is just so interesting.
i kept wondering how did these
two people fall in love
and not be able to speak
each other’s language?
he’s learning, and then
i’m learning turkish.
my turkish
isn’t as good as --
he knows probably more english
than i do turkish,
but we can have, like,
a basic conversation.
i don’t believe it.
i don’t believe it.
i’m not
hearing nothing.
i’m sorry.
you can speak
some english. come on.
say some sentences.
mm.
there we go.
no, mursel
will sit...
if he’s
around people,
he can kind of
come up with a conversation.
he communicates
with the boys
and it’s really not as bad
as it looks.
as it seems right now.
okay.
you have had so many obstacles
and cultural differences.
at any point,
did you think
that mursel was not
the right guy for you?
um...
our communication --
it is really difficult.
and there has been times
where i’m like,
"this probably isn’t
gonna work out."
coming up...
shaun:
anna, i want to know --
are there any other secrets
that you keep from his family?
and later...
you’re not giving us
no answers here.
i mean, do you love the guy
or you don’t?
what is it?
let’s say
i love myself more.
please, somebody.
i’m confused.
do you love him, yes or no?
because the man want to know.
we are back on "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
anna, your kids
had their own ideas
about how mursel
would fit into the family.
let’s take a look.
anna: what do you guys
think so far?
no, he doesn’t.
what do you mean?
he’s not even a part
of the family yet.
i’m not interested
in getting to know
mursel right now
because she thinks he can be
our new dad or something,
but i don’t
think the same.
i don’t get it.
you’re a problem,
according to turk culture.
i’m stuck in between the man
i love and my children
and it’s not fair
that i have to choose.
anna, why do you think joey
has not warmed up to mursel?
like, joey won’t ever tell me
how he feels.
he acts like
it’s no big deal.
i know gino --
gino’s more sensitive
and i know that probably
hurt him to know
that they’d have
to be a secret.
joey gets really upset
with leo calling him bubba,
which is turkish
for father.
he tells him, you know,
"he’s not your father."
and then,
you know, leo --
he can make
that decision if he wants to.
shaun: mm-hmm.
i was thinking he was probably
the man of the house, you know?
yeah, he was the man
of the house, basically.
and now there’s another
one coming in.
boys is boys, and that’s how
they are towards their mom.
they’re
very overprotective.
anna:
he is warming up.
i think it’s gonna
take time
and mursel’s just gonna have
to just prove himself.
there were so many people
who, from the very start,
wondered how you could possibly
get into a relationship
with a man who would not admit
to his own family
that his girlfriend
had children.
how did you justify that?
putting your relationship
before your children?
i wasn’t.
it’s not like i’m just
getting up and leaving them.
i take care of them.
i’m there for them.
i guess deep down,
i just really hoped
he would end up
telling his parents.
i didn’t talk to my friends
or family much about it.
so, i never really heard it
outside of my head.
like, when
he got here,
that’s when i started
telling people.
i guess that’s when i realized
that’s just not gonna work.
okay.
well, as a lie threatens
to destroy her family
and relationship,
anna gives mursel
an ultimatum.
so, if you don’t
tell your parents,
i don’t think
we will get married.
oh.
woman:
what’s going on?
anna: mursel broke off
the wedding.
what?
well, this is
just some bull-.
oof.
mursel: ooh.
blake: yeah.
it was too much.
that was
a tough one.
i’m speechless.
i’ve never seen something
so heartbreaking.
i kept thinking that he’d change
his mind and we’d just...
and he didn’t?
he never did.
mursel, people are wondering
why you just could
not stand up
to your parents.
like, do you...
if you had to do it
all over again,
would you tell your parents
about the children
before coming
to the states?
mm.
are any of
you shocked
that mursel was able
to come back to the states?
that’s amazing.
definitely.
syngin: it was luck.
i think
that’s a miracle.
pure luck.
sasha: it’s pure luck.
you’re really lucky they weren’t
like, "just reapply."
i feel like it’s fate.
boy, you guys have been
through the ringer.
anna, i want to know --
are there any other secrets
that you keep from his family?
mursel wants a baby,
but i can’t carry one.
we would have
to get a surrogate.
in turkey, it’s ill*gal
to have a surrogate.
really?
wow.
i think that’s not
as big of a secret.
they don’t really need to know
that i didn’t carry the baby.
shaun:
but what about...
mursel, will you
tell your family
if you decide
to have a surrogate
carry a baby
for you and anna?
what do you think
they’ll say?
what they don’t know
won’t hurt.
yeah. how is that
gonna hurt them?
they’ll know
we have a baby.
it’s just, they don’t have to
know that i didn’t carry it.
mursel, are you afraid of them
finding out
you may use a surrogate
to carry your baby?
that’s great.
oh, wow.
wow.
coming up...
syngin, you got to jump
in here for us.
you just dropped
a b*mb on me.
why marry him?
does that one word
define everything?
that’s how
it should be.
sorry.
and later...
whoa. this is
the first time
i think we have had
this particular discussion
on "90 day fiancé."
mike, what is
she talking about?
robert:
she said, "betrayed."
welcome back to "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
now, after tania’s
costa rica trip
puts stress
on their relationship,
tania blurts out that maybe
syngin wasn’t her soulmate.
take a look.
welcome to your astrological
compatibility reading.
the reading
tends to go better
when both parties
are completely open.
okay.
alright, would you call
this relationship
a soulmate
type of relationship?
i definitely
feel that.
our connection
is so vivid.
it’s like "i had to have met
you somewhere," you know?
so, for me to get that feeling
was also weird for me.
i don’t think it’s...
i don’t think i have that
full soulmate feeling.
mm.
no comment.
babe, i love you.
i love you so much.
and i just --
i don’t know.
i think when i think
of soulmates,
i think
of perfectly intertwining,
that deep sense of
just knowing that, like,
your souls
are meant to be.
and i just --
i don’t know if our souls
are, like, meant to be.
i don’t know. i feel like i have
met my soulmate.
like, i feel like my first love
was my soulmate.
i need a break.
yeah.
shaun: wow.
so, if you’ve already
met your soulmate,
why is syngin here?
syngin is here because
we met for a reason.
i think there’s just
so much pressure
put on this term
"soulmates,"
and i’m starting to actually
dive into that meaning.
is it something that people
can just know soon?
like, when i say i met
my soulmate before,
it wasn’t something
that i knew the first day
or anything like that.
i had known this kid
since i was 11 years old.
that came
years down the road, you know?
do you think you could
have two soulmates?
i think -- yeah.
i think people can have
multiple soulmates.
so,
at different times?
yeah.
or at the same time?
yes, i think --
or maybe at the same time.
i don’t even know.
it could be a friend.
it could be...
people come into your life
for a reason.
yeah. i think we were
all conditioned
to think soulmates,
one person,
for the rest
of your life, eternity,
and i think it’s for everyone
to decide on their own.
yeah, but when you say
"soulmate,"
you’re supposed to be --
that’s like
saying -- "soulmate" --
that you’ve been waiting
on this person all your life.
it’s spiritually,
you’re connected
to one.
that’s who you’re gonna be
with for the rest of your life.
the way
you said eternity,
like, if you’re not planning on
being with him for eternity.
no.
what i said --
i said, "that’s how people
view soulmates."
that’s how
it should be.
that’s your definition.
that’s your husband.
you can have
that definition.
this is my heart, my soul,
my fire, my flame,
my everything.
and i won’t say --
i will say literally everything
that you just said as well.
yeah, but you’re saying
he not your soulmate.
because you have a different
meaning of soulmate.
so, why marry him?
because i love him to death
and i see a future with him.
if i didn’t see us having kids,
if i didn’t see us growing old,
if i didn’t see
a future with him,
i wouldn’t
have married him.
syngin, you got to jump
in here for us.
yo, i’m just listening.
how are you feeling right now?
yeah.
that one hit me hard.
even talking about it now,
you know, i feel a little...
because i grew up like,
"what’s up? oh, when is
my soulmate coming?" you know?
the love i have for tania,
i haven’t really found
in my exes or anybody.
i just had
these crazy feelings like,
"damn, this is probably
my soulmate right here."
and then i just
always presumed
that she kind of
felt the same.
so, i became confused and
almost to a point like,
"what am i or what is...
what am i doing?
am i also really in love
with this chick?"
just cracked
my mind almost.
well, so, you don’t mind
being married to a woman
who’s not quite sure
if you are her soulmate?
um...
it’s not nice,
but i think it’s something
we need to discover
and think on more and maybe...
i don’t quite even know.
it’s something that still...
it still
gets me a little bit.
i think my favorite thing
about syngin
is he gives me
my space
to explore myself
and, like, meanings and stuff.
and it might not
be comfortable for him,
but he gives me that space
and that’s, like, the thing
i appreciate the most
because i am
in a space of exploring
and learning.
and --
i do.
like, i appreciate it
so much that, like...
that you didn’t
leave me for that, you know?
that, like,
you understand me.
mm.
sorry.
what makes you tear up
right now?
it’s a lot that people
can be like,
"wow, he’s not your soulmate
so why are you marrying him?
how can you marry her
if she doesn’t think
you’re her soulmate?"
where it’s like, does that one
word define everything?
like, what about
the love we have, you know?
like, what about
the love and, like,
what we mean
to each other
and, like, what futures we want
to have together and everything?
it’s like all of a sudden, all
of that just gets thrown out.
and like, what makes me
tear up the most
is literally the fact
that, like,
he understands me.
like, i don’t
need the world
and i don’t need everyone else
to understand me.
i just need him to,
and he does.
sasha:
calm down, tania.
i just want to say,
my opinion --
if you had some relationship
in the past,
don’t tell him.
it hurts us.
i’m telling you as a man.
if emily told me,
you know,
"my soulmate somewhere,"
it hurt me, too.
you just dropped
a b*mb on me.
we never talked about it
or anything.
you just came out of the blue
and busted it.
but i think
it would hurt,
it doesn’t matter
any which way you tell me.
it did.
it hurt me a lot.
like, i felt like running into
the bush, like just...
sasha,
let me ask you.
did you think your first wife
was your soulmate at the time?
10 years ago, i didn’t even know
what is it mean.
me either.
okay, what about
your second wife?
second one...
um...
and i thought we’ll be together
forever honestly,
but that’s
what happened.
but, i didn’t say anything
about soulmate.
you just told her
not to do that.
it’s just like some things are
left better unsaid, you know?
like...
okay, so,
mike, is natalie
your soulmate?
i felt like me and natalie
have reached out in a past life
and have
crossed paths before.
natalie, do you still feel
that mike is your soulmate?
that’s a bombshell.
how do you feel
about that, mike?
i mean, it’s just something
i’ve been struggling with,
i mean, ever since, you know,
i’ve gotten back from ukraine,
you know?
there’s just been a ton of stuff
on my mind, you know?
kind of questioning myself
and the whole relationship,
you know?
and just...
you know, it’s --
mm.
somebody has to be the one
and it would be you, mike,
to keep
pushing through.
if she’s that important to you
in your heart
and you’ve got to...
don’t listen to her not
wanting you to call. call.
natalie, is that what
you want mike to do?
coming up.
so, natalie, did you know
mike felt that way?
what do you
mean by that?
and later.
you know better.
if i would’ve been there and you
called me trashy,
b*tch, there would’ve been
more than a glass
flying our your
hand.
what’d you say?
remember this, baby --
uh-oh.
man:
three, two...
welcome back to "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all."
well, when natalie was out
with her friend,
she had to hear them
compare mike to her ex.
let’s take a look.
okay.
mike, what did you think,
hearing natalie’s girlfriends
compare you to her ex-husband,
saying you aren’t
as successful as he is?
it sounded
pretty brutal.
it sounded just like
a hard truth, you know?
and it’s like you...
that just makes me
want to prove her wrong.
mm-hmm.
yeah.
and, uh...
mike: i think it’s a great cost
for her to uproot
and completely move
to a new country, you know?
i can only imagine the fears and
stuff that go with all of that.
mike: obviously,
it’s a main concern
if i could take care of natalie
and myself and raise a family
and i feel
quite comfortable
that it can be
easily attained
where i’m at
right now in life.
because that was
a big bone of contention
between you and natalie.
she wanted kids right away,
and you hesitated.
let’s take a look.
-right now?
can we have breakfast
first?
i’ve always wanted kids, baby.
you know that.
and i know
you’ve always wanted kids,
but, i mean, i think that
our main thing right now
is to probably wait a little bit
and get you to america first.
wrong answer?
mm-hmm.
mike, why were you hesitant
to have a baby?
’cause i want to be there
through the whole process.
i don’t want to find out,
like, on skype,
"hey, we’re having a boy,"
or something like that,
you know?
yeah.
i want to take her
to the doctors.
i want to be there.
okay.
natalie?
i just feel like, you know,
that we just need to wait
just a little bit longer,
you know?
so if natalie were here today,
would you start having --
or trying to have a baby
right away?
probably
already be done.
no, you’re ready.
look,
she smiled at that one.
it’d have done been done.
- -she started smiling.
- -yeah.
okay, wow. yeah. right.
we thawed some ice right there.
right. so, natalie,
did you know mike felt that way?
what do you mean by that?
so, natalie,
what is the status
of your relationship today
with mike?
no, no, no, natalie.
i want to hear from you.
tomorrow night
on the conclusion
of "90 day fiancé:
the couples tell all"...
this was
the worst nightmare.
do you think she has
opened up to you at all?
not yet.
rita: and that’s
what’s frustrating me,
that he is not standing up
for himself with her.
sit your damn,
broke a*s down.
i’m the classiest, trashiest
b*tch you’ll ever meet.
cut them off the screen
or i’ll walk out this
michael, michael.
let’s go michael.
we got married with a lot
of unanswered questions
and we don’t know
what that means for our future.
that’s why a lot of dudes lie,
because of situations like this.
whoa.
this is the first time
we have had this discussion
on "90 day fiancé."
okay, so -- so this is
what happened, so --
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