01x14 - Episode 114

Episode transcripts for the TV show, "Shark t*nk". Aired: August 9, 2009 – present.*
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01x14 - Episode 114

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- Tonight,
- hopeful entrepreneurs

who believe they have

the next big business idea

will enter the shark t*nk

seeking the financial backing

to make their dreams

come true.

We would need now

another 10%.

That was the fastest 10%

I ever lost.

Welcome to the shark t*nk.

The sharks

are ready to invest

using their own money,

but only for the right person

with the right idea.

We know that with just the right

amount just to help us,

it will make money.

Annie, you've gotta wake up

and smell the money.

There isn't any.

But first, the entrepreneurs

must convince a shark

to invest the full amount

they're asking for

or they'll walk away

with nothing.

What just happened?

You never even gave

an offer, did you?

He's just mouthing off.

Daymond, you know what

I've learned?

- Talk is cheap,
- and so is Kevin O'Leary.

And if the sharks hear

a good idea,

they'll fight each other

for a piece of it.

- So then why fight over this - if
you're gonna end up - being in on it?

And why do we need Barbara?

Whoa. no.

Shaft-o-Reno to you, honey.

♪♪♪

♪ the best things

in life are free ♪

♪ but that ain't really

good enough for me ♪

♪ I need money ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

First into the shark t*nk

is Jill quillin

with a homegrown business

designed to help women

be creative and save money.

♪♪♪

My name is Jill quillin.

I'm from Knoxville, Tennessee.

And my product enhances

a product that most women love

and use every day.

Not only is my product unique

and useful,

but it also helps women

save money.

That looks good.

We're in tough times.

I mean, as a wife and a mom,

I know it's very important

for women to find ways

to save money.

This is cheaper.

- I began my business
- right at my kitchen table.

I started this company so that

I could work from home

and be with my children more.

Isn't this fun?

The biggest hurdle

that I have run into

is that this is

a female-targeted product.

And unfortunately, a lot of men

are the ones with the money,

and they just don't get it.

There's no awareness

of this product.

- I need the sharks
- to increase awareness

and to take this product

to market successfully.

♪♪♪

My name is Jill

with divine innovations,

manufacturer of the hot new item

for women who wear lipstick--

the lipstix remix.

I would like

to offer you today



in the company

in exchange for $105,000.

- This is lipstix remix.
- It's a one-of-a-kind system.

- It's not available
- anywhere else in the market.

It includes this lipstick mold,

which is the secret w*apon

- to creating
- beautiful lipsticks at home

in a few minutes

in your kitchen.

The reason why I needed

this product so badly is because

I had personally

over $250 worth of lipstick

that I couldn't wear.

I get down to the bottom

of that tube,

there's one-third of my lipstick

that doesn't twist up.

Many women are wasting that.

Now with lipstix remix, I could

take a couple of those colors,

mix them together,

and create a beautiful shade

that I love.

Now is the time

to take lipstix remix

and three tubes

of your favorite color,

and that's enough lipstick

to make a brand-new tube

for free.

- Jill, how does it work?
- Let me show you real quick.

- You take the colors
- you want to mix together.

Just put them

in your measuring cup.

Now you put this in

the microwave for 45 seconds.

You're gonna end up

with this, okay?

- You take your lipstick mold.
- It's really easy.

You just fill it up

to the top there.

- And that goes into the freezer
- for ten minutes.

Now I do have one that's already

ready here for us.

This is

the really exciting part.

- Okay, you just pop off the top.
- Okay?

So all you do is

you turn it upside down,

and you're ready to pull it

out of the tube.

And as you can see,

it twists up and down

and looks like

a brand-new tube of lip shade.

And it doesn't

fall out?

- No. - So would I be able to tell
- the difference between

new lipstick

and nuked lipstick?

Well, in fact,

you would not.

The major manufacturers heat

and reheat their lipstick

all the time.

Jill, I'm a guy.

I don't often wear lipstick.

Barbara, is this

a good idea or not?

It's so clever.

And not only

for the reasons you say,

but most importantly,

nothing's more exciting

than a new lipstick.

Exactly.

- Where are you selling it now?
- We have sold - almost 800 units

in a very, very small,

local market.

How?

- I set up a table in the mall
- for ten days at Christmas.

We sold 254 units--

a little over 6 grand.

How much do one

of these things sell for?

This is $19.95.

Jill,

agree with me on this--

if you don't get this on

a TV shopping channel

type of format,

it's never gonna sell.

This is purely a one-dimensional

go-to-market strategy.

This is never gonna work retail.

It's never gonna work wholesale.

It can only be sold through,

uh, harrington's format.

And I have no access to that.

I'm out. I'm out

because I can't help you.

- You know,
- I might disagree with you,

- because there are
- a lot of products

- on retail shelves right now
- that started out

in direct response.

In fact,

I'm not being unrealistic.

I understand that $105,000

is gonna get us a good test.

We're gonna do a test

in a small, local market.

And when we have

increased our awareness,

then we go to

the number-one TV retailer,

and all of a sudden,

we get 90 million more homes.

Then we go and we put them

on the shelves

because women know

lipstix remix.

That makes sense.

This will sell,

and we will sell seven

for every one we sell on TV.

Boy.

Presentation's great.

You're great.

You're a terrific salesman.

I gotta tell you.

But I'm very frustrated

because this is

one of these situations

where I actually...

I've got a little guy

on one shoulder saying,

"do it. It's a great idea.

And screw up harrington

while you're at it."

- The other side says,
- "you're not a lipstick guy.

What are you doing?"

- So I'm gonna listen to my "I'm
- not a lipstick guy" on this one,

and say I'm out,

but with huge reservations.

I think your business

is worth what you're asking.

But I don't want

to put in $105,000.

But I'll give you half the cash.

Okay.

- You're gonna have to hustle
- one of the other sharks

to get the rest.

Two sharks are out.

Barbara is interested,

- but only for half the money
- Jill needs.

- Kevin harrington or daymond
- must offer

at least the other half

for a deal to be considered.

I'll give you the 105,000

for...



♪♪♪

Barbara has made an offer

for half the cash,

and you're--made an offer

for all the cash.

So rather than make

a third offer,

I think

I'll have to join Barbara

in offering half the cash,

but I'm gonna say we need...



So then why fight over this

if you're gonna end up

being in on it, and then

I'll get you as a partner?

'Cause then I'll do the retail

end, and you do the TV.

And why do we need Barbara?

Whoa.

No.

♪♪♪

♪♪♪

Two sharks are out.

Kevin harrington has gone in

on Barbara's deal,

but daymond

has a plan of his own.

Why do we need Barbara?

Whoa.

No.

Why? I have retail,

and he has--he has TV.

Do you know why? Because I'm

the trustworthy one here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's worth nothing.

Shaft-o-Reno to you, honey.

That's what's happening.

Barbara, I-I'll throw this

back to you,

because I think daymond

has retail experience

on a global basis.

What if the three of us

split this three ways

for 40%, $35,000 apiece.

- I'm sorry, guys.
- I opt out on the threesome.

Three's a crowd.

So I have an offer then

from Kevin and daymond

for a 40% equity stake

for $105,000?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Wait. am I missing something?

- Kevin, you're only in this
- with daymond?

- Have you axed me out?
- No, I asked you in.

- With him, too.
- Yeah.

Forget it. Take the deal.

I'm offended by the way

he acted today,

so I do not want to be

in a deal with him today.

And unfortunately,

you're here today.

So, Barbara, you--you don't

want to reconsider

and partner with--

the two of them?

With the two of them, and--

not from what I just saw.

I'd have to go to bed at night

and get a bodyguard to watch

what they might be doing

while I'm sleeping.

No, thank you.

If I could make a quick phone

call to my business partner--

my husband--

and just bounce off the 40%,

- make sure he is good with that
- and for the full offer?

Yes.

♪♪♪

Two rats here who cut me out.

I don't believe it.

We didn't cut you out.

You certainly did.

You packed together--

no, we didn't.

Take the deal.

Hey, honey.

It's your favorite c.E.O.

Okay, listen.

I actually have an offer.

You're letting emotions

get a hold of you, Barb.

This is money.

Barbara, this--this

is gonna be a good one.

I gotta tell you.

It's a very clever product.

♪♪♪

Okay. well, thank you so much.

I love you, too, honey.

♪♪♪

I have some good news.

Wait, before you give us

that good news,

we might have

some other good news.

I've decided to forgive

these jerks to my right

and jump in with them.

Okay.

- Because I really think you need
- a female in the mix.

To make room for Barbara,

we would need now another 10%.

So we'd be at 50%.

Mm.

♪♪♪

That was the fastest 10%

I ever lost.

Welcome to the shark t*nk.

♪♪♪

Okay. yeah.

Seems like you have

a decision to make.

Neither one of us

can wear the product.

You wanted a female.

And not only a female,

but a really smart one.

Let's see.

Let me think about this.

So do we have

good news, Jill?

♪♪♪

Absolutely.

We have a deal.

Okay.

Fabulous.

All right.

- Whoo! - Thank you.
- Welcome to the club.

My pleasure. Let me get

some lipstick on you.

- Oh, thank you so much.
- Jill, thank you.

- Thank you all so much. - Thank you.
- Great, thanks. Good luck.

Barb, it's too early

for me to get a hug?

Ugh!

All right, all right.

You got me 10% more.

Wow. daymond,

you savage animal.

- You know what? You're forgiven.
- You're so clever,

I don't even care about

being insulted. It's great.

So now I have the dream team.

- I never in a million years
- thought that I would have

such a great package.

And I cannot wait to take

this product to market.

A short time ago,

we met entrepreneur

Lisa Lloyd

and watched her strike a deal

with daymond and Barbara.

I have the power to do this deal

and make you filthy rich.

What are we doing?

It would be best to work

with the two of you.

So thank you.

Oh, thank you so much.

- I'm gonna make you rich.
- Thank you.

Let's see

what she's up to now.

♪♪♪

I'm Lisa Lloyd. I'm the c.E.O.

Of treasure chest pets.

And I left the shark t*nk

with $150,000

from daymond and Barbara.

- Treasure chest pets
- are a line of organizers

that look like stuffed animals

with secret compartments inside.

Since making my deal

with the sharks,

my sales are up 1,000%.

Today I'm taking Lisa

to buy buy baby,

where I've closed a great deal

- to get treasure chest pets
- into their stores.

We want to show you

your new home for your pets.

Partnering with

bed bath & beyond online

and buy buy baby stores

is a huge opportunity.

- They are one of the nation's
- number one retailers,

and I think this is great

for the product.

Thank you.

We wish you the best of luck

and all of us much success.

A year ago,

my family and I

- were in danger
- of losing our home.

- And since doing the deal
- with daymond and Barbara,

that is no longer a thr*at.

♪♪♪

Next into the shark t*nk

is Tim gavern

with a business he believes

will bring out the kid

in everyone.

♪♪♪

Hi, I'm Tim gavern.

My mission is to bring happiness

to kids everywhere.

I'm captain ice cream.

♪♪♪

Ice cream trucks are everywhere,

but what makes

captain ice cream special

is my ice cream moped.

No one else

has anything like it.

Ice cream is my blood.

I'm a third-generation

ice cream vendor.

My mother and my grandmother

both had ice cream parlors.

It's been a tradition

in our family since the 1950s.

How you doing?

- I was a car magazine editor
- for many years,

- and the publishing industry
- was on a downturn.

So I was looking

for a way to make money.

And ice cream was a natural.

- I wanted to bring back
- that wholesome, clean-cut,

nostalgic image

of the ice cream man

that I remember as a kid.

Kids absolutely love

captain ice cream.

When they hear the bells,

see me coming,

they jump up and down.

Thank you!

Me! me! Me! Me!

The looks on their faces--

- that's what makes me want
- to do this forever.

Ice cream makes people happy.

With a little help

from the sharks,

I can franchise this business.

And my ultimate goal is to have

a captain ice cream franchise

in every little town

across the United States.

Thank you, captain ice cream!

♪♪♪

♪♪♪

Hello.

My name is Tim gavern.

I'm captain ice cream.

In exchange for $48,000,

I'm offering a 25% partnership

in the captain ice cream

experience.

Captain ice cream is a mobile

novelty ice cream vending

business.

Captain ice cream will be

a franchise

of my unique ice cream mopeds

and will also become

the next big

novelty ice cream brand.

Captain ice cream franchisees

will project a positive,

wholesome image

- by riding my unique
- ice cream mopeds

wearing traditional white

captain ice cream uniforms

and paper ice cream hats.

Do you own a national trademark

for the captain ice cream--

yes, I own the trademark.

If you have

the national trademark,

that means nobody else can call

themselves captain ice cream.

Do you have any ice cream

to give us?

Of course.

- Can I have some?
- Sure. would you all like some?

- You shoulda
- done that a long time ago.

- I'm gonna give you
- my number one selling product.

Captain, break open the box.

There we go. Now we're talking.

Tim, I want to be clear.

Did you make this ice cream?

No. this is bought

from a company.

But this is absolutely

my number one product.

It's delicious.

- Captain, what does it cost
- to make the, um,

captain ice cream moped?

A brand-new version of this

will cost about $7,000.

So what's the business model?

- How much do you sell
- in a day, captain?

Um, generally about $200 worth

of ice cream in--in 4 hours.

Oh...

I just want to be clear.

$200 a day?

Four hours.

In--in four hours.

- Generally an event is-- - is four hours.
- What's your profit?

It's easy to make

$25 per hour as a vendor.

But what's the business model

for me as an investor?

You want $48,000 for what?

I want to build

a couple of mopeds.

- I want to start working on
- an electric version of this.

Okay?

How many do you have now?

How many mopeds?

This is it.

Just the one?

And are you making a living?

I'm--I'm barely

eking out a living.

Do you think that's a problem

- when you're trying to sell it
- to other franchisees,

- and you're barely
- making a living?

I don't, because I'm still

learning the business.

- Okay, you said you're gonna
- franchise this.

- Have you hired
- any franchise lawyers?

- Do you have documents prepared?
- Anything like that?

- Kevin, he's making $25
- an hour selling ice cream.

- Right.
- Right now I'm selling...

- A concept.
- Several different brands--

- you're really selling a concept
- right now, aren't you?

Exactly. exactly.

Yes. if I buy a franchise

from you, let me walk

in that guy's shoes.

Okay.

How much could I reasonably

expect to earn if I was working

four hours a day,

five days a week?

- Because that's the number
- you threw out--four hours--

- more than you're making
- in real estate today.

Probably.

- You could easily make $25,000
- to $50,000 a year

as an ice cream person.

I get what you're doing.

You sell ice cream.

- But I don't know where
- the investment opportunity is...

Because anybody can make

a moped with a freezer on it.

Yeah, but can they?

That's the thing.

Can they? You know--

yeah, they can.

Tim, I think it's a-a crime

for me to insult

an ice cream man.

I think there's something

- just innocent and beautiful
- about an ice cream man.

- I can appreciate that.
- Thank you.

- But the business
- is not big enough for me.

But I do love your, uh,

your--your attitude

and what you want to do,

but I'm out.

I don't understand that, bec--

all right, think about it.

Okay, it's a very

inexpensive franchise--

- well, think about
- my point of view.

- All I care about is
- "how do I get my money back?"

- Well, you get your money back
- in two different ways.

How?

First of all,

say the franchise is $12,500

to be a franchisee

of captain ice cream.

Okay, so--

why would anybody give you

$12,000 when they could just--

- why not? You're gonna sell them
- ice cream at a discount

- that's gonna be
- their own branded ice cream.

But they could

buy ice cream anywhere.

Look, you've got a concept

of which nothing is...

Unique and patentable or--

you don't think

this is unique?

Admit it. It's unique.

At least give the guy that.

It's absolutely unique.

All right, you know

what I've decided?

- I'm gonna give--
- I'm gonna give you $48,000

of Barbara's money.

You know,

I--I'm holding myself back,

because I believe in children

and wonderful, warm, and--

and things from the past.

That's what I'm trying

to recreate here.

But--but I can't make any money.

And I want you

to get back on that thing

- and ride into the sunset,
- because--

- I don't think
- that's true, though,

- because you're gonna take
- a franchise fee...

- No, I really do because,
- I have to--here's the problem--

- and you're gonna make a profit
- on every bike.

- Here's the business - reality in this.
- Okay.

- In about five minutes, I'm gonna
- have to send you an invoice

for about $2,000 for my time.

I gonna take off 50 cents

for the ice cream, though.

Okay. it's $1.50, by the way.

$1.50? that's an outrage.

Are you kidding?

It's a 400% markup on ice cream.

There's just nothing here.

That's the problem.

Say the word.

I'm out.

I want to summarize

what you've told me,

just so I'm clear.

Okay, sure.

- You barely make any money
- doing this today.

You don't make the ice cream.

Not yet.

I'm working on it.

You haven't sold

a single franchise.

And you have

a long way to go.

It's a start-up.

What am I gonna tell you?

Um, the ice cream gave me

a brain freeze. I'm out.

Tim, I understand what

you're trying to do,

- but you have
- no franchise company, okay?

It's a small business.

Thank you for--for coming here

today, but I'm out.

I think I'd happily buy

ice cream from you.

You seem like the perfect

ice cream kind of guy.

But you're here too early,

you're here too unprepared.

I'm out.

Thank you, Tim.

All right. Thank you, all.

I appreciate your time.

All right.

All right. Thank you.

I don't think the sharks

saw the beauty in...

What this business could be.

I--I'm a little disappointed.

He's got a lot

of ice cream in here.

Okay, get out of the way.

I'm gonna start it.

Kick it. Kick it up, baby.

Boys will boys.

I'm leaving.

Bye-bye.

Later!



Next up is Michael schiavone,

with an innovative

business strategy

he hopes will send the sharks

into a frenzy.

♪♪♪

- Hello.
- My name is Michael schiavone.

I call my idea

"caffeindicator."

And I'm seeking $200,000

in exchange for a 25%

equity position in this venture.

Now did you ever wonder why

there's a decaf market?

- It's either because people
- don't want caffeine

or can't have caffeine for

medical or for personal reasons.

The fact is,

- you don't know whether there's
- caffeine in your coffee or not.

Enter caffeindicator.

It's the first

litmus-like tester

- incorporated
- on a sweetener packet

which changes color

in the presence of caffeine.

- Is it ink in the paper
- or in the sugar?

- It's on the paper.
- It's an ink.

- It's microencapsulated
- in gelatin.

- But, Michael,
- does it really work?

- Oh, certainly it does work.
- Absolutely.

Let me demonstrate

a mock prototype.

As you can see, if there's

caffeine in the coffee,

it will turn pink.

It's dynamic. It's curious.

It's fun to share.

- And hey, I don't even use
- a sweetener in my coffee,

but I just used a packet.

The sweetener packet market

is roughly a $12-billion market,

of which, the blue guys

have market share,

- the pink guys
- have market share,

- the green guys
- have market share,

- the yellow guys
- have market share,

and the white guys

have market share.

- Now what would happen if
- any one of these manufacturers

- were able to dramatically
- increase their share

in this global market?

Does that have value?

Yes.

Of course it does.

Sharks, welcome to

the sugar bowl brawl.

These guys are all fighting

for market share.

So what does it take

to take a $500-million product

to a $1-billion product?

But is there an indication

of it heavily caffeinated

or whatever the case is?

- No, it doesn't tell me
- how much caffeine.

It tells me whether or not

there is caffeine.

Almost like a pregnancy test--

very similar. In fact,

that was part of the--

but doesn't--doesn't decaf--

has about 2 milligrams

of caffeine in it.

- You're absolutely right,
- versus 120 milligrams.

- But it's still
- gonna trigger the test.

- I can mask out
- the false positives.

- You're missing
- the point of this.

- It doesn't matter whether
- the person wants to know

whether there's caffeine or not.

It's the fact that the white guy

can say to the yellow guy,

"my packet's better

because it does this."

I get it. I get that.

- And I agree with you.
- That's it!

That's why I'm here.

This is a great opportunity.

The manufacturing

and the distribution

is already in place.

What we're leveraging is market

share in a global industry.

And I'd like to know

if you're interested

- in partnering with me
- on this venture.

So, Michael, when you

went to the blue guys,

and said,

"I have this great idea.

Buy my product,"

what did they say?

I have not gone

to the blue guys yet.

Why not?

I came to you guys to see

if you can open the doors

and partner with me in--

on this.

- You've never tried to talk
- to any of the white, yellow,

green, pink, blue guys?

No, sir. I have not.

And do you own the patent--

I do.

How much will this add

to the cost of each packet?

It has to be negligible.

You don't

know the number?

Uh, uh, no. The fact

of the matter

- is that anything you
- make in mass quantity,

the--the--the--the price

of it drops.

What's your cost

to make one pack now?

- I don't have a cost to make
- one pack right now.

- What--give us a number. We just - want a feel for the number.
- Volume--yeah.

Here's my thought on that.

- Um, if I increase
- market share dramatically,

the cost of production

goes down, profit goes up.

Yes.

Give us a number.

Yeah, we--we get that,

but can it be made

for a fraction of pennies more?

Absolutely.

It can?

Absolutely.

So, Michael,

what you've done, basically,

is you defined

your entire market.

That's good. It's very clear

who we have to sell it to.

The bad is, it's very clear

who we have to sell it to.

If one of these color

don't buy your product,

there is no market.

Would you agree?

That's correct.

But wait a minute. Your strategy

is to go to all five and say,

- "which one of you wants to
- increase your market share?"

- So the real question
- on your deal

is if I'm one of these

marketeer manufacturers,

I have to buy into your premise

that putting an indicator

for caffeine

- is going to
- significantly increase

the number of times

people use my packet.

I think that's a given.

Absolutely.

- However,
- there's another angle.

What is it?

What if I don't want my--

my competition to have this?

And they bury it.

You know, there's something

nasty about you I really like.

Oh. I'm... I think

I'm happy to hear that.

No, no, I like it.

What you're trying to do

is create a bidding w*r

in a very,

very structured market.

And speaking plainly,

there's the feeding frenzy.

Right.

What do you do for a living?

Currently, I'm a mechanical

engineer. I'm in between.

And some day-trading

in the market.

- And where did you get
- this idea from?

I was on a business trip

and, 11:00 at night,

I stopped with my wife

and said,

- "let's have a slice of pie
- and cup of coffee."

I had a business meeting

the next day.

- I was up all night, and I know
- she didn't give me decaf.

But there's only one way to

tell, and that's to drink it.

So what's with the 200,000?

- It's just a number
- you pulled out of the air?

- There is, um,
- licensing fees.

- There's attorney fees,
- as you know,

- and we have to
- set up a corporation.

- And I need some help. - I need you guys
- to open up doors.

- If one of you are interested,
- I want to advance this.

I want to move it forward.

I'm gonna jump in--

- I'll--
- in here,

because I think there are two

real weaknesses to this idea.

I'm not sure the consumer

is that paranoid

about testing and mistrusting

whether they got

caffeinated coffee

or decaffeinated coffee--

that's one--

and the second reason

is with any of these

prospective buyers

you're hoping to sell to,

it's not just the minimal cost

of adding it to the packet.

But they've got to market

the idea

and let the consumer know,

and that's expensive.

It's not such an easy,

clear road to my mind

as you're positioning it.

So for those two reasons only,

I'm out.

- Those are excellent points,
- Barbara.

And I think that's

why Michael realizes

his 25% is ludicrous.

That sounds like

a negotiation, Robert.

- That's like basically saying
- that you'll do this deal,

but you want more than 25%,

and your greed is showing.

That should be familiar to you.

I saw your greed.

I saw your greed.

You know, Mike, I was

on the fence for a second,

but I agree with Barbara

that they would have to do

very pointed

and specific marketing.

- I like the idea
- that you're trying to att*ck

the number one drug

sold in the world.

But I am out.

Michael,

I'll pay for an option

to see if one

of the five guys do it.

I'll give you the 200,000

for...



Contingent on getting a deal

with one of the five companies.

♪♪♪

Michael, I have

a better offer.

♪♪♪

Two sharks are out.

Robert has offered $200,000

for a 60% stake,

contingent upon getting a deal

with a major sweetener company.

But Kevin harrington

is also interested.

Michael, I have

a better offer.

Same contingency,

but I'll--I'll make you

the offer at 50%.

All the offers are contingent.

It's worthless

if they don't want it.

But we all agreed on that.

But you've got two offers, okay?

Now I'm deciding whether

to Tr*mp both of you bozos.

♪♪♪

Mm.

O'Leary, are you in?

Are you out?

- I am thinking.
- I don't need the noise.

♪♪♪

I think you need to either

say yes to me or yes to Robert.

'Cause I don't hear any offers

coming out of Mr. O'Leary.

Now what are we waiting for?

Michael, you've got two offers.

I need an answer. I'm gonna

take my offer off the table.

I need an answer on my offer.

Oh.

Um...

I believe that I would take

the 50% partnership.

Are you accepting my offer

then, Michael?

I'll accept your offer.

Okay. thank you.

All right. Good job.

Nice job.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

Nice to be partners.

It was a fair deal.

It was a fair deal.

- Thank you very much
- for your time.

- What just happened? - You never even gave
- an offer, did you?

I just needed--

I just needed control.

- He's just mouthing off.
- I wasn't giving him a chance.

I said if he accepts my offer,

it's a deal. We're done.

No, I got it.

I just--just--

somebody kept him quiet.

I wasn't quite there.

Daymond, you know

what I've learned?

- Talk is cheap,
- and so is Kevin O'Leary.

I feel like finally...

After 18 years of keeping

this thing bottled up,

I finally partnered

with the right man

- to help me bring this
- to fruition.

It's great!

I feel excited.

Next into the shark t*nk

are Jeff and Annie Hughes,

a husband-and-wife team

with a new twist

to an old profession.

♪♪♪

Hi, my name is Jeff Hughes.

And I'm Annie Hughes.

And our company

is legal grind,

and we are seeking $200,000.

And in exchange,

we will give you



Mm. that must mean

there's profit.

Oh, yeah.



- from loyola law school
- in Los Angeles

and passed the bar exam.

- The economy was in recession,
- and there were not

- a lot of opportunities
- for young lawyers.

- I decided
- to pursue other interests.

- I always wanted to open up
- a coffeehouse.

- I ended up spending more time
- in coffeehouses

than courthouses.

And then it hit you.

And then it hit you.

It hit me.

I realized that a coffeehouse

would be the perfect place

for a legal resource center...

That could cater to the unmet

needs of the middle class.

Why the middle class?

- Well, the middle class--
- I'm from the middle class.

So am I.

Well, in--people with,

uh, lower incomes,

they have access to legal aid.

And the wealthy have

their own lawyers on retainer.

The middle class has neither.

So what did you do about it?

- I moved back home, and with
- the help of my family,

- I opened up
- legal grind coffee & counsel

in Santa Monica.

Legal grind offers its

trademark--coffee & counsel--

and an à la carte menu

of legal services

at affordable prices

for purchase.

It is your one-stop shop.

It's a place where anybody

can conveniently access

affordable legal information,

services,

and representation.

With your funding.

With your funding

and expertise,

we will franchise

legal grind locations.

- So for the sake
- of justice,

- we ask that you please - fund us.
- Jeff and Annie,

whatever happens here today,

I want you both to know this--

you have a future

in bad theater.

Thanks.

Annie, do we get a coffee?

Oh, yeah.

Can you serve him one?

I don't know

if it'd be any good.

You don't actually sell

any legal services yet.

This is a concept.

No. Jeff started this

in 1996 in Santa Monica.

You've had this for?



So are you making any money?

Uh, we're grossing

about $200,000 a year.

Are you netting any money?

Um, I think... you know,



Most--most of the income

go to our salaries,

'cause we've had to raise

a family.

- Well, how much
- do you take in salary

before that leftover money

for profit is there?

Uh, maybe $50,000.

Each?

So, Jeff and Annie,

just so I'm very clear...

Okay.

You've combined a coffee shop

with legal services.

- Yes, to serve
- the middle class, because--

tell 'em. I mean, there's--

the middle class is...

Not getting

their legal services met.

I get the idea.

I like the target market.

Okay.

But you're losing me on the fact

that to get into your business,

I have to go into

the retail coffee business.

No, you don't.

- Actually,
- it's a coffeehouse setting.

- It's just a place to start,
- because all of our lawyers

have their own offices

and everything.

- So it's not like
- you would be coming there

- for all your relationship
- with that lawyer.

- Can you explain to me
- why you want to be

- in the low-margin
- legal services business

and coffee has anything

to do with it?

Well, I-i don't think

it might be low margin. Uh--

I'm looking at these prices.

I can't get five minutes

of my lawyer's time

for any of those numbers.

But the document services

are not performed by a lawyer...

You don't--are not hiring

a lawyer.

They're having documents

prepared,

- because maybe, you know--
- and then this also

helps us, too, with upselling.

Okay, Annie,

walk me through one.

I'll take health care directive

for $100.

Okay.

- How much of your time
- does it take

to actually service that deal?

I can prepare one

in ten minutes.

All right, so you're--

you're telling me

- while they're having a coffee
- which you sold for $2.50--

I can interview them and have

them prepared in ten minutes.

And have you

done that before?

Yes.

I've managed the Santa Monica

store for seven years.

So do we have to find

lots more Jeff and Annies

that want to work?

No, we don't.

Well, you said you're

franchising them, right?

I know, but it's us--

- it's training
- the right person.

- But, Jeff,
- you're an accredited lawyer.

- Is there any laws
- about having coffee waitresses

providing legal services?

No, as long as she's not

providing legal advice.

She's a document assistant.

- Isn't this much better done
- on the Internet

where there's no

brick-and-mortar cost involved?

Why the coffee shop?

People like to actually

talk to a...

- They do. I can't tell you - how many times...
- A warm-blooded human being.

I've had somebody come in that

did services over the Internet,

and they were not happy.

When it comes to

certain legal services,

they want to interact.

Annie, crazy idea.

Just open up a store

that says "legal services."

Right.

Nobody would come in 'cause

they don't trust lawyers.

- There's truth in that. - What if
you're just sitting - in a coffee shop,

talking to a lawyer?

It's bringing

somebody together--

people go

to other places and sit

- and meet with their lawyer.
- All right.

- Coffee has to do - with just making
somebody - feel comfortable...

Yes.

- Addressing their difficult
- legal issues.

- But why is it--
- why is it coffee and lawyers?

Why isn't it pizza and lawyers?

- Why isn't it
- dry cleaner and lawyers?

- Where's the dignity
- in pizza and lawyers?

What, there's

dignity in coffee?

Can I show you a list

of franchisee requests

that we've received?

You have a list

of franchisee requests?

Oh, over a hundred.

So why don't you just

take down payments

on the franchisee requests?

Then all you have to do

is take 20 franchisee requests

worth 10,000 apiece.

Right.

Because we're not even

in the position to know

- how or what to do
- when we get these requests.

- Yeah, but then - what are you gonna do
- once we give you the 200,000?

- You're still not gonna know.
- Well, you hire--

yes.

You hire legal consultants.

Hmm.

Not legal--

fr-franchise consultants.

You're gonna

go to the coffee shop.

- Do you see the irony?
- Do you see the irony there?

You're gonna

jump over the counter

and sit with a lawyer.

- Let's say I say, "look,
- I want to be in the coffee

and legal services business."

Then I'd ask this question--

how much money does

your coffee-legal store make?

And that answer is zero.

No. it makes money.

No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

After you pay yourselves

a normal salary,

there's nothing to make.

Annie, you've gotta wake up

and smell the money.

There isn't any.

How am I gonna pay a franchise

fee to you if I'm not profiting?

Well, okay. All you have

to do is put a little bit

of money in marketing.

Jeff, answer this for me.

- Let's say I take my hard-earned
- 200,000 bucks

and hand it to you today.

What are you gonna do

with that money?

Well, I think, Barbara,

you and I

would have to discuss it.

But you don't have a plan

- as to how you're going
- to make use of that money?

We take $115,000

and open up

a prototype store.

That store should

be making $300,000.

- And find another
- little Annie there

- to sit and serve the coffee,
- to make friends with everybody.

- A legal document assistant,
- so the--

- a lawyer doesn't have to
- be there the whole time.

How do you get the people

to come in to your store?

Word of mouth.

'Cause you said you--

if you--if you said

- if you said
- it's a legal place--

- it's all word of mouth,
- all word of mouth.

And because we're every--

- we're in a location
- where people are constantly,

- "oh, what's that place?
- What's that place."

We know that with just the right

amount just to help us

put a location

in a high-foot-traffic area,

market it, and advertise it,

it will make money.

Annie, you make no money.

Yes, we do.

You barely get by today.

If you add marketing costs...

- Because we don't advertise
- and we don't market.

- You're not gonna make
- any money.

- Every money that we make,
- unfortunately, we have to turn--

you've never advertised?

If we work properly--

Annie, Annie, Annie, guys,

I think you've had

a little bit

too much coffee today.

You have to just calm down

and listen to us.

You barely get by today.

We make more--

- Annie, - Annie, Annie--guys,
- I think you've had

a little bit

too much coffee today.

You have to just calm down

and listen to us.

We're getting a lot of,

uh, negative feedback on--

it is our money.

Yeah.

I know.

That's it.

Right.

But you're not having

an open mind.

Guys, I'm gonna just say

where I stand on this.

I'm not saying

it's not a good idea.

- I'm a little afraid
- of getting into a business

with a bunch of lawyers.

I'm gonna have to say

I'm out.

♪♪♪

I happen to think you've

got a great gimmick here.

But I don't trust

your ability to replicate it

through a franchise network.

I'm out.

A franchise is built

on a success

that you have gotten

all the bugs out

and then you have a beautifully

well-oiled machine,

and now you're gonna say,

"I'm gonna take this

- and duplicate it
- times a hundred."

I don't think you've got

that oiled machine yet.

I'm out now. Thank you.

Well, in 2001, we won

the American bar association's

legal access award.

And that award is given

to an organization

that is exemplary

and "replicatible."

That was eight years ago.

Eight years ago.

We still never had the capital

to run a business the right way.

All of you know

you need capital to do it.

Come on. That's crap.

You have a bad idea here.

You've been doing it

for 14 years,

and you wake up one day and say,

"I'm gonna take my idea

- and now I'm gonna franchise it.
- Give me $200,000."

No, we didn't just wake up.

I'm out.

Jeff and Annie, the only thing

I saw of value here today

was some really bad theater.

But I don't see a business.

I'm out.

What do you mean

by "bad theater"?

It was funny.

That's what I mean.

Well, why is that bad?

It's not bad.

I said it was valuable.

You said it was bad.

It was funny.

It's not funny to thousands of

people that we are able to help.

I think we're all--i think

we're all out. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

♪♪♪

I didn't even get a coffee.

That was

terrible presentation.

Absolutely terrible.

I like Annie--

Annie get your g*n.

She was ready to fight.

Kevin, I thought you

were pissing her off

with the bad theater thing.

She was mad.

She was mad as hell.

I thought she

was gonna come after you.

She might, but I'm still right.

They're not open-minded

to new ideas for, like,

maybe this generation, okay?

And we're in a recession.

- You don't think people
- looking for different ways

- to spend their money
- on legal services?

♪ The best things

in life are free ♪

♪ but that ain't really

good enough for me ♪

♪ I need money ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪

♪ what I want ♪

♪ that's what I want ♪
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