02x01 - Special Investigation: Alcatraz

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(Man) On this dead files
special investigation...

(Clanks)

Alcatraz is the most famous
prison in the world.

Riots, murders, suicides...
where do I start?

Pushing.

Violent men in life...

Pushing people down.

Are usually violent men in death.

- Down what?
- The stairs.

(Steve) It hasn't been a
prison for almost years.

I felt a real sharp grab on my shoulder.

But it still has an effect
on people that visit.

I don't know what it was in this
room, but it just hit me hard.

Oh. I feel sick.

I have no idea what I'm walking into.

He was an arsonist.

We're headed into the one place where
everybody else tried to escape.

Holy crap.

My name is Amy Allan.

(Bell tolls)

There's something down there.

I see dead people.

He doesn't want me back there.

I speak to dead people...

She's pissed.

And they speak to me...

She doesn't like the people who live here.

But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.

Someone did hang themselves here.

- Where?
- There.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Dischiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.

Did you want to k*ll him?

And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.

She did die in this house. (Cries)

It's my job to reveal them.

Would you be surprised if there
were bodies in this basement?

No.

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate
during an investigation...

Until the very end...

Not good.

When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...

Will it get worse?

Or time to get out.

- Oh, yes.
- Whew.

(Cell door clanks)

(Bell clanging in distance)

(Wind gusting)

This is definitely a first for Amy and me.

Normally, Amy doesn't know
anything about our location

until the end of our investigation.

This time we had to break the rules.

Because the case we're investigating,

happened inside the most
famous prison in the world...

Alcatraz.

Last week, I got a call
from a guy named Bob Davis.

years ago, something happened
to him on Alcatraz Island,

that has freaked him out his entire life.

So I've arranged for us
to meet at the prison,

to see if we can come up with some
answers for him after all these years.

(Water lapping)

(Matt) Normally, Amy doesn't know anything

beforehand about the place
we're investigating.

But obviously, we knew we
were going to Alcatraz.

Inside, I still covered
any photos or displays

with information that may influence her.

What's going on?

(Chuckles)

Lots of yelling over in here.

I feel sick.

(Amy) Sometimes when I
walk into a location,

the dead people there make
me feel their physical pain.

This place was worse than most.

[Bleep].

(Pants)

Holy crap. Okay, just a sec.

Oh. (Sighs)

Oh. (Sighs)

[Bleep].

(Wind gusting, water lapping)

(Bell clangs in distance)

In , Alcatraz shut down.

Then nine years later, they
opened it up for public tours.

But not every visitor
leaves the island with

the kind of memories they were expecting.

- So, Bob, this is D Block...
- Mm hmm.

Right? This is part of
the tour you were on?

Right. Yeah. That was it. That
was, uh, solitary confinement.

(Rattles and clanks)

Okay, so what happened here?

Well, when I was years old, I came
here on a day tour with my mom and dad.

Park Ranger stopped here, and when he
asked if anybody was willing to volunteer

to go in one of the cells and see
what the prisoners used to experience

when they were put in
there and locked down.

So I walked back into the back
corner, the back left-hand corner.

And they closed the, uh, inside
bars, then the outside door here.

And then once that's closed off,
it's completely black in there.

I heard, solitary confinement, [Bleep].

You know, nothing... nothing, uh...

Nothing good about that.

They lock you in, and they close
the door, and it's pitch-black.

Right. The ranger asked me
if I was okay back there.

And I said, yeah, I'm fine.
You know, no problems.

And then right about that same time, I
felt a real sharp grab on my shoulder.

And I hear, uh, simultaneously,
uh, "you're mine" in my ear.

And you know how somebody, when
they talk in your ear, you can...

If they really lean in and,
you know, say it in your ear,

you can kinda feel the
hairs on your ear vibrate.

And you weren't... you don't think
you got pulled on anything in there?

You know, it didn't feel like, uh,
a snagging or anything like that.

Um, it... it felt like a
definite human grasp to me.

- Yeah.
- Okay, and you were in there alone?

Yeah. When I came out, I didn't
tell anybody, not even my family.

I was kind of embarrassed and
shaken up and didn't know,

you know, what to make of it at all.

And, uh, touching, pulling hair.

Somebody's a hair puller.

He touches, pokes, more like a poke.

And he is...

Torturing the living, basically.

It sounds like you really haven't come
quite to terms about what happened.

When that happened.

You'd better believe, you
know, it shook me up.

I hear that, you know, people talk about,

you know, maybe there's inhuman
entities and things like that.

And I, you know, I don't know if it's
that, if it's just a prisoner that,

died tragically in there, and he just
didn't like me in his jail cell.

If somebody annoys him,
he has to work up...

This energy.

And poke and/or pull the hair.

I see a man who has a blue shirt on.

I only see the back of
him, and he's getting...

Ouch. He's getting bumped, pushed.

Putting his hands and... (Clicks tongue)

And then... (Grunts)

(Sighs)

(Whispers) Some people think...

That he was a Satanist.

He would, like, talk about
demons and [Bleep] like that.

He would have weird dreams and stuff.

And I'm thinking now, they think
that might be true because...

Of what he can do.

After this happened and up until now, do
you have problems walking into dark rooms?

There was a lot of years where, yeah,

I didn't sleep well, like,
with the lights out.

I mean, as years have gone by, it seems
like you're still looking for answers.

That point in my life,
prior to walking in there,

I had no belief in anything paranormal
or anything of that nature.

After that happened, I fully knew that...

(Chuckles) There was something
bigger than what I understood.

Through my... the course of my researching
and trying to figure out what that was,

you know, I have gone into many
different haunted locations and

do hear, you know, voices sometimes.

What do you think that will do for
you if we do give you some answers?

I don't know how that would that impact me.

My whole life I really have,
you know, went, what was that?

Most of what I know about Alcatraz,
I learned from watching movies.

But I need facts.

Before it became part of the
National Park service in .

More than , convicts came
to Alcatraz in its years.

Including serial K*llers and some of
the biggest names in organized crime.

This is where they sent
the worst of the worst.

people died inside. Eight
of them were m*rder*d.

I start searching for
the names of the dead,

but I'm sidetracked by
something really strange.

Other visitors to the island have
experienced exactly what Bob did.

And in the same exact spot.

So what happened that day when you came?

We took the tour. I stopped
to look at the pictures

on the wall of the inmates
that were occupied here.

As I turned, I get a push on my shoulder.

I turn and look, there's nobody behind
me because I'm up against the wall.

And in my right ear, I hear, "got a light"?

He says that the guy uh...

When he was alive and he
was outside, this poker...

The hair puller...

(Whispers) He used to set fires.

On my left shoulder.

That's a pretty substantial poke.

It takes him a lot of energy and focus,

you know, to get enough
physical strength to...

Be able to physically mess with the living.

He... he was an arsonist.

He worshiped the Devil. That was the rumor.

Who is talking about him?

Stan.

Mm. You think you can... (Sighs)

Uh, I'm not gonna push this
guy anymore because...

He doesn't want to talk anymore.

(Cell door clanks)

(Heartbeat thumps, bell
clangs in distance)

(Men shouting indistinctly)

He... he was an arsonist.

He worshiped the Devil. That was the rumor.

Who is talking about him?

Stan.

The dead are a lot like the living.

Sometimes they'll talk
more about each other.

Than they'll reveal about themselves.

Right now, I'm being guided through the
prison by a man who calls himself Stan.

He's telling me all about the inmates
who refuse to speak with me.

He... he was an arsonist.

He worshiped the Devil. That was the rumor.

(Door creaks)

(Clanks)

(Clanks)

(Heartbeat thumping)

(Steve) Two men who have never met...

Have almost identical stories
that happened in Cell Block D.

I need to find out more about this place...

And, specifically, what
happened in cell -D.

If you can, I need you to kinda
separate prison legend from fact.

And if you can give me a
brief history of the prison?

Alcatraz started as a military base.

It was in .

That they started moving
prisoners out to Alcatraz.

Alcatraz always has been
for the worst prisoners...

First for military prisoners, and then
eventually when it became a federal prison.

Its intimidation factor
was very significant.

It closed as a federal
penitentiary in .

Attorney General Robert Kennedy
said that we were spending

way, way too much money
on an island prison.

That really was past its prime.

What can you tell me about Cell Block D?

Cell Block D was where they
housed the worst of the worst.

The hardest time you could do
was definitely in Cell Block D.

What can you tell me about D- ?

D- is the one that everyone talks about.

A prisoner was strangled to death in D- .

Interesting.

There are rumors that the prisoner
was strangled by a Demon.

There are rumors always about Alcatraz.

But a man was m*rder*d in D- .

Yes.

I'm headed back to Alcatraz
to meet with another guy who

claims he had an unexplained
experience at the prison.

And it happened just a few steps from
where Bob and Sam had their encounters.

Well, the wife and I decided
to come here to Alcatraz.

I noticed this cutoff, and as I came in...

All of a sudden, I was just
overwhelmed with sadness.

I don't know what it was.

(Inhales deeply and sighs)

Uh, a lot of...

Depression and despair.

And just...

Like...

Deep, deep, deep despair.

- Were you crying?
- Uh, almost, almost.

And that's not an emotion I
really want to have, you know?

I don't... cry.

(Sniffling)

You don't strike me as the type of
guy that would get emotional...

- Out of nowhere.
- No, I don't.

Uh, so... and you have
no explanation for it?

No, I don't.

Grown men being grabbed and pushed, hearing
strange voices and crying for no reason.

Rumors of demons k*lling inmates...

If I'm gonna help Bob figure this out,

I need to speak with someone who was at
Alcatraz when it was still a prison.

(Gulls cry)

You did time on Alcatraz.

- Right.
- Uh, what years?

I was there from, uh, ' to ' .

And this is my mug shot.

What... how did you wind up in jail?

Me and another guy was, uh,
robbing banks, and we got caught.

Bob, what happens when you
first get on the island?

Uh, well, you go up, go in the
shower room, and they, uh...

Uh, strip you, take your shackles
off, and you get a shower.

What was life like inside the prison?

It was regimented. Uh, you got
up in the morning at : .

You had about minutes
to get your cell in order,

and then you went in to, uh, breakfast.

Uh, you went in line, stayed
in line, didn't talk or smoke.

And then when you were done, you followed
the guy back and up to your cell.

And then you went out to work, and
you followed somebody and lined up.

They had counts a day.

Like, march... marching.

Marching men. Men marching.

(Footsteps clanking on stairs)

(Sniffles)

Pushing. Pushing people down.

- Down what?
- The stairs.

Pushing, pushing, pushing...

Down the stairs.

Uh, I learned a long time ago,
you don't, uh, fight the guards.

You can't win.

If you did something wrong, of
course, then they were gonna

take care of you and put you
over in the hole or D Block.

Right.

The guards were... (Clicks tongue)

Worse than they were, uh,
is what they're saying.

Because...

They did some very, very,
very, very bad, nasty...

Somewhat disgusting
things to the inmates...

Here.

(Cell door clanks)

They did some very, very,
very, very bad, nasty...

Somewhat disgusting
things to the inmates...

Here. (Camera shutter clicks)

They would, uh, you know,
make it so they couldn't eat.

They, uh, would make their
food bad or something,

uh, you know, but it would just
be, you know it wasn't, like,

all of the people here, you know,
couldn't eat, but, uh, you know,

like, if they got mad at you,
you know, you're screwed.

The thing is, because...

People were bad, they... they were...
they were treated so bad...

So badly here.

- Well, what about D Block?
- D Block... segregation.

Uh, they built that in
just for that purpose,

and they put six cells down there.

They were dark holes where they
had a solid door and they'd,

put you in there and turn
the light out. (Clanks)

All steel, and it was dark.

Did you ever do time there?

I was days in one of those dark holes.

So they stripped me and searched
me, and the Captain said,

"you don't need any clothes, get in there".

Well, they're... some of them are naked.
Like, a bunch of naked men at once...

And some are like this...

When they've been bad.

They opened the door in the morning.

Uh, you got bread and water and, every
third day, one... a meal made of, uh...

Potatoes, peas, and a raw onion chopped
up, and a spoon to eat it with and water.

So that's how I kept track of time.

Robert spent most of his years at
Alcatraz inside a x -foot cell.

He's seen a lot, but he
never saw anyone die.

So I tracked down a former guard who was
caught in the middle of a brutal attack.

I got initiated in the first
minutes of my first day.

They put me in the barbershop, and
inmate Freddie Lee Thomas is the barber.

He's cutting inmate Joseph Barsock's hair.

Okay.

All of a sudden, the customer who
was getting his hair cut, Barsock,

jumped out of his chair, and Freddie Lee
Thomas went after him with the scissors.

Got him in the heart, the
lungs, and the throat.

And I landed on top of both of 'em,
only he kept giving him the scissors.

So did the guy die?

He was dead within the next minutes,
and he landed in a big pool of blood.

(Amy) A r*pist guy. Like, I think
he r*ped and k*lled a lot.

Two men are fighting.

One was stabbed, was... was... was k*lled.

And I'm, like, I'm seeing, like, a
red comb, like, an old red comb...

And then I'm feeling, like...

Pain. Like, it's almost like...

Like... this.

Oh, and it does... it hurts. (Chuckles)

Oh.

Ow. Well, I'm getting a pain right
here, and then it makes my arm hurt.

A sharp pain right here.
(Sighs) And then my arm hurts.

(George) That's Joseph
Barsock, the deceased.

He was like, Joey said...

Which one's Joey?

The one...

Who died.

There's craziness going on here...

And I'm getting h*m*.

Freddie Lee Thomas... a very
strange thing happened.

He said, I love you, and he went
down and he kissed him on the cheek.

- This is after he stabs him to death?
- Yeah.

There were lovers, h*m* affairs.

Okay. Did you get hurt?

I got cut, but not bad.

With a pair of scissors, they kinda
sliced me down a little, but yeah.

Consequently, that was the end of the
barber shears in the barbershop.

Alcatraz was full of maniacs and
murderers, the worst of the worst.

And I found a guy whose job it was,

to transport those convicts to
the island for the first time.

Maybe he can help me put a name or a face,

to whoever's tormenting
people like Bob and Sam.

They were scared.

They didn't know what they were going
into when they seen that rock,

maybe all shrouded in fog, and it
just scared the hell out of 'em.

Did you have any run-ins with
any dangerous prisoners?

Yes. The Birdman was a very,
very dangerous convict.

They certified him as, uh, a psychotic.

(Rattles)

He was in this big cell by himself.

There was, uh, some r*pist here, too.

- What do you mean?
- He's like a monkey.

That's what he acts like. Like a monkey.

The guy is, like... (Clicks tongue)

He was just, like, sick.

Like, I think they... they took him away.

They were like, [Bleep], you know, this
guy is, like, really crazy... (Chuckles)

So they... they removed him, because
the guys around him hated him.

And they wanted to k*ll him
because he was disgusting.

(Men shouting indistinctly)

When he would come out and take a bath,
they'd lock the other convicts up.

(Clanks)

- He was that dangerous?
- Well, he would try to r*pe 'em, yeah.

(Cell door clanks)

When he would come out and take a bath,
they'd lock the other convicts up.

- He was that dangerous?
- Well, he would try to r*pe 'em, yeah.

All I remember about the
Birdman Robert Stroud,

is what I knew from the
Burt Lancaster movie.

That showed him as some kooky
old man who liked birds.

I was surprised to find out that the real
Birdman was a pretty sick individual.

(Amy) A r*pist guy.

Like, I think he r*ped and k*lled a lot,
and, like, seriously, the guy is, like...

Yeah, he was just, like, frickin' crazy.

Well, he would, uh, act like an animal.

He k*lled one in Alaska,
one in McNeil Island.

And then two and then an officer
in, uh, in Leavenworth.

He was a very aggressive convict.

Patrick got me wondering about
the Birdman of Alcatraz.

So I'm going to do some research on my own.

It sounds like Stroud was a
nightmare for guards and inmates.

Everything I find points to Robert
Stroud being a homicidal maniac.

But in my research of the Birdman.

I'm surprised to find that another
famous Alcatraz prisoner,

was also locked up in D Block.

Kristine, what can you
tell me about Al Capone?

This guy spent his whole
time at Cell Block D.

He actually did not die at Alcatraz, but it
was some of the roughest time he ever did.

No luxuries, nobody bringing him anything.

Supposedly, in other prisons, he had...
every guard was on the payroll.

And he kept big stashes
of cash in his cell.

That didn't happen at Alcatraz.

This guy here. Here.

Who's this?

Uh, this is Stan.

That's a nice bed with nice sheets.

A nice pillow, and a nice blanket.

- It wasn't like that.
- How was it?

Um... (Sighs) Um...

Just...

Little... little... a few springs...

Mm... some round...

And metal.

Spring, spring, spring.

A little mattress.

Not really... not much in it.

Very uncomfortable.

Oh, he looks nice.

A nice suit. He's got his hat on.

He's got his hair done.

It might seem strange that...

An inmate is wearing a suit.

But Stan still sees himself that way,

and that's how he wants
to represent himself.

He's got a belly. He's
stocky, though, you know?

It's not all fat, he says.

Well, he did a lot.

Of what?

Robbing people.

Gambling joints, you know,
wherever there was money...

A lot of it.

That's what he says... money collecting.

It wasn't really robbery.
It was owed to them.

Did he die here?

No.

So why is... why is he here?

He doesn't know. He says, well...

(Distorted male voice) You know...
I'm in hell.

I'm in hell. This is... this is...
this is hell.

(Scribbling)

(Amy) Two people stood out
most to me during my walk.

I'm going to sketch Stan because
he took me around Alcatraz,

and he showed me different people and
events that he wanted me to see.

This man... he's got long...
long eyelashes.

Kind of full lips.

You know, a kind of round face.

I'm also going to sketch the man the
other inmates called the monkey man.

Because he was so dominant during my walk.

He was a...

Like, thin wiry...

Petite male.

He had very bad skin on
both sides of his cheeks.

Really bad.

Okay. How are we doing?

Can you tell me if that
looks like the person?

Yeah, that looks like him.

Well, Bob, it's good to see you again.
Uh, this is Amy, my partner.

- Hi, Amy. Nice to meet you.
- (Amy) Hi. Nice to meet you.

Bob came to Alcatraz when
he was years old.

And, uh, had an experience that
basically changed his life.

I felt a real sharp grab on my shoulder.

And I hear, uh, simultaneously,
uh, "you're mine".

I don't want to tell you just
yet what happened with Bob,

because I don't want it to
influence anything you've

encountered during your walk,
so we'll wait for that.

How did it start with
you when you got there?

When I went into the building...

There was a lot of v*olence...

And k*lling.

Alcatraz had guys that have actually
tried to escape from other prisons.

Or m*rder*d other prisoners
and were sent there.

So it wasn't just a regular
prison, it was maximum security.

And it had the worst of
the worst in the country.

I also, um, got, in one certain
area, a lot of depression.

Very, very sad here.

(Sniffling)

I interviewed a guy.

He said he walked into this one
section of this enclosed area.

And out of nowhere, he felt
like he was about to cry.

He got to the point where he was
just about to burst out crying,

and he knew he had to get
out of that section.

And as soon as he walked
out, he felt better.

All right. So how did the
rest of your walk go?

I encountered a really big
fight between two guys.

And one of them stabbed the other one.

I know that I picked up on...

h*m*? (Clicks tongue)

With the guy getting stabbed.

There's craziness going on here.

And I'm getting h*m*.

You know, I kept getting the name Joey.

And I was also seeing a red comb.

He was like, Joey said...

Which one's Joey?

The one...

Who died.

I interviewed a former prison guard.

His first day on the job, he got
assigned to the barbershop.

Where you're describing where you
felt that about h*m*.

It's about feet from where
the homicide happened.

Wow.

What happened was, this
guy Freddie Lee Thomas...

He worked at the barbershop, and he was
a lover with this guy Joseph Barsock.

So Freddie Lee and Joseph get
into a fight in the barbershop,

and Freddie Lee stabs Joseph
multiple times and kills him...

Wow.

But then Freddie Lee Thomas bends
down, kisses Joseph Barsock,

and says, I love you.

During my walk, I also came across a guy,

that the other dead people
were calling the monkey man.

This is the guy who would make
noise in his cell constantly.

(Man screams and laughs)

He was, uh, thin and white, and he would
keep his hair pretty short or bald.

He came from somewhere else, like
the Midwest, Kansas or something.

There was, uh, some r*pist here, too.

- What do you mean?
- He's like a monkey.

That's what he acts like. Like a monkey.

They were like, [Bleep], you know, this
guy is, like, really crazy... (Chuckles)

So they... they removed him.

Is that who you sketched?

Yes.

All right. Does the name
Robert Stroud mean anything?

Wow.

(Cell door clanks)

(Men shout indistinctly)

All right. Does the name
Robert Stroud mean anything?

No.

How about the Birdman of Alcatraz?

Sorry. No.

I'm really not surprised that Amy doesn't
know about the Birdman of Alcatraz.

If I hadn't seen the
movie when I was a kid,

I probably wouldn't know who he was either.

Oh, my gosh.

- That's pretty amazing.
- The same guy.

Mm-hmm.

Wow. Okay.

I mean, it's pretty uncanny.

Now Robert Stroud came
from Leavenworth, Kansas.

He was there for m*rder. They
thought he was crazy then.

They brought him to Alcatraz, where he
exhibited the same psychotic behavior.

He was isolated from everybody.

He was so dangerous, all the other
prisoners had to be put away...

Before he could be let out.

He was obviously dangerous. He was crazy.

Did he talk to you directly?

No. Stan, another dead guy there...

Was the person who took me
around and was talking about...

- Monkey man?
- Monkey man or the Birdman, whoever,

and, um, that's how I saw
him, was through Stan's eyes.

Tell me about Stan.

He feels like this is his... his hell.

This is his own hell.

He says, well...

(Distorted male voice) You know...
I'm in hell.

He is dressed very well, though,
for it being his own hell.

He's got a nice suit on, got his
nice shoes and his nice outfit.

His hair is nice and neat and...

- You did a sketch of Stan?
- Yes, I did.

- That's Stan?
- Mm hmm.

Another guy that did time on Alcatraz
that I think he looks like...

(Sighs and chuckles)

Wow.

You know who Al Capone is?

I mean, this is the guy who was with me.

(Amy) I had an idea of who Al Capone was,
but I didn't know what he looked like.

Or that he spent time in Alcatraz.

I also don't know why he
lied to me about who he was.

The thing is, with Al Capone, everywhere
else he went in the jail system.

He lived a cushy life because he
was able to pay off the guards.

He couldn't pay off the guards in Alcatraz.

He was a charismatic guy.
Everybody loved him.

You know, he was considered the
dapper don back in the day.

- Mm hmm.
- He was a bootlegger. He was a gangster.

Gangsters are known to use aliases...

- Mm hmm.
- Especially back in those days.

And in , Capone was arrested
at the Stanley Theatre,

in Philadelphia and sentenced
to a year in jail.

- Mm hmm.
- Oh.

Some say that that was the
beginning of the end for him.

Probably now is a good time
to talk about D Block...

Mm-hmm.

So, Bob, if you can tell Amy
what happened to you...

I came, uh, to Alcatraz when I
was years old with my family.

We finally stopped in front of cell -D.

The Park Ranger asked if anybody would
volunteer to go into the jail cell.

So I volunteered, and I stood there
with my back kinda to the wall.

So he closed the bars and then the door,

and then by that time,
it's just pitch-black.

And right about that time, I
got grabbed on my shoulder,

and whispered into my ear, "you're mine".

(Clanks)

I interviewed a guy named Sam Neil.

The guy got poked, and there was nobody
behind him, and he got startled.

But he felt it through
three layers of clothing.

Oh.

Yeah, that's where, um,
Stan told me about the...

Inmate he thought was a Satanist...

Wow.

And he can do things that the
other dead people there can't do.

There was an inmate in that cell who was
screaming that there was a Demon in here.

He was screaming to get
out, and the rumor was,

the next day, they found
him strangled to death.

Oh, my gosh. Wow.

This is why Bob came to us, because this
has been eating at ya for all these years.

Mm-hmm. That's obviously not somebody
you want following you around.

Does he have anything to worry about?

No.

They're stuck.

They're stuck right there.

They're stuck in there.
They are stuck in there.

The entity that touched...

Bob is stuck there.

I don't know why he's stuck there,

but I know that he feels like
he cannot leave Alcatraz.

The visitors wouldn't have
anything to worry about?

Well, you know, they could be
pushed, their hair pulled,

- or, you know...
- Yeah.

That can happen.

So does any of this stuff make sense?

It gave me more insight as
to maybe who's in there,

and I think it makes me feel better that
she said, he's there, and he stays there.

Yeah, he can't go anywhere,
so that's really good.

I don't know who grabbed Bob, because
he wouldn't reveal himself to me.

But I know that it was not the Birdman.