[ Birds chirping ]
man:
the state of south dakota
has decided that they're
going to pass a statute
that literally echoes the
kind of statute that existed
prior to the decision
in roe versus wade.
It says that abortion is
prohibited in all circumstances
except where necessary
to protect the life
of the mother.
Governor mike rounds
was under incredible pressure
from, not just in
the state of south dakota,
but all over the world.
He had emails and letters
and pressure put on him.
But governor mike rounds
did what he knew in
his heart to be truth.
And he did the
right thing.
And he stepped
up to the plate
and his name will
go down in history
as a great governor.
And I believe that we need
to set our standards higher
in this nation
and not just settle
for a physical relationship,
but have it be something
that's a heart-to-heart.
And have it be
not just about lusbut have it be about love.
You have to draw
the conclusion
that there is a very,
very strong possibility
that within
the next three years,
between now and the time
that this piece of legislation
would find itself
on the benches
of the members of the
united states supreme court,
that there will be
an opportunity for
president bush
to appoinanother member
to the united states
supreme court.
And given his
selection process
and the fact thahe certainly supports
the pro-life side
of this issue,
I think we have
every reason to expecthat president bush
would appoint another
pro-life justice,
which at thatime would be
five pro-life versus
four pro-abortion.
I mean, what it...
What it really breaks
down to here, for me
is that abortion is
part of a huge issue
on both sides.
But the difference
between the pro-choice
and the pro-life
movements right now
is that the
pro-choice movemenis the only movementruly trying,
or attempting,
to decrease the
need for abortion.
It would be sense-making
to say that birth
control to...
Being accessible
and affordable to people
that want to prevenunwanted pregnancies
would be crucial.
But yet the
pro-life movemenis not only
targeting abortion,
but they're targeting
birth control,
they're equating
birth control to abortion,
especially
emergency contraception.
And then next,
they go after sex education.
So in the pro-life
movement's ideal,
people do not have sex
until marriage,
nor do they know anything
about pregnancy prevention,
use birth control,
or ever encounter
any sexual trans...
Sexually transmitted
diseases.
It's kind of amazing.
So...
I wish I could live there.
Someone that believes
in god
and has a relationship
with jesus chrisis going to heaven
and is going to live forever.
Someone that does not have
a relationship with jesus chrisis going to
burn in hell forever.
So either way,
you're going to live forever.
You can make that choice,
either heaven or hell.
It's up to you.
Burt:
hell is like a lake of fire.
Torment forever and ever
in the lake of fire.
Man:
what is a lake of fire?
Oh, i... I visualize ilike it must be like lava
coming out of a volcano,
except there are people in it,
and they're burning
and burning and burning
and they want to die,
but they can never die.
Heaven is the most beautiful
place you can imagine.
There's no sickness,
there's no tears,
there's no crime.
And best of all,
jesus is there.
[ Singing in latin ]
man:
I thank you for
all the young people
that have come outoday, father.
I thank you for their
zeal and for their
commitment, father god.
And I pray that you bless
them for that, lord.
And I pray mostly thathey take this home
with them, father god,
that this is noa once-a-year event, father,
that this is a daily evenfor them, god.
God, I pray thayou keep me humble
and I pray that you
help me to lead young
people, father god.
I thank you,
in jesus christ's name.
Amen.
Thank you, jesus.
Man:
this is my fourth
march for life.
But three months ago,
I got a call
from my younger brother.
He said, "jeff,
my girlfriend's pregnant.
I'm scared.
What should I do?"
He was helpless...
And he was scared.
And he loved his baby.
Our whole family
tried to help.
Um...
My parents offered
to adopt the baby;
my brother offered
to marry his girlfriend.
Christian families offered
to give her a place to live.
I was able to put her
in touch with pregnancy
help centers
to provide her with food,
clothing, a job,
daycare while
she went to school.
My parents offered
to pay for a babysitter
if she wanted
to keep the baby.
And at first,
it seemed like, you know,
she wanted
to have the baby,
and she seemed
a bit excited.
Um...
And then she talked
to two of her roommates
who had had
abortions before...
And things
got to be desperate.
Uh, maybe eight weeks
into the pregnancy,
my brother called and
he's like, "jeff, call her.
Just call her.
Just call her on the phone.
I'm scared. She
says she doesn'want to marry me,
she doesn'want the baby."
About this november...
Towards the end of november,
near thanksgiving...
My brother's girlfriend
set up an appointmenat a pittsburgh
abortion clinic.
Have you ever seen
the look on a father's face
when his child's
about to die
and he's completely
helpless to stop it?
Just think of
how many fathers
of those crosses out there
who don't know anybody,
who don't know
what's available for help,
how desperate
they must feel.
Man:
praying for ending
of abortion in america
and the entire world
is a prayer
that would be worth
your while.
Because some day
this thing is going
to be turned around.
It may not be
in our lifetimes, but...
But some day
when the messiah returns
and at the resurrection,
the... The dead bodies
will come out of
the graves and...
And everyone will
have to answer whathey've done where...
Wherever they are.
Various: [ chanting ]
not the church,
not the state,
women musdecide their fate!
Not the church,
not the state,
women must decide
their fate!
Not the church,
not the state,
women musdecide their fate!
Not the church,
not the state,
women must decide
their fate!
Man:
one minute after birth
is capital punishment,
m*rder one.
One minute before
is an abortion.
It is 100% legal.
A first trimester abortion
is a tiny puddle of flesh!
Pro-life number one!
God loves us.
What if you don'believe in god?
This shall happen in
the presence of his majesty.
Woe, woe, woe
to this evil generation.
How could we say
we believe in god
and butcher one and a half
million babes every year?
How could we?
Man:
a miracle of a new generation
that will catch the vision
and shoulder the burden.
Only you can see
beyond this crossroads.
Only you can see
the fruit of our labors
and our sacrifice.
But today,
on this 20th anniversary,
we stand determined,
we stand united!
Amen!
Crowd:
amen.
Man:
praise god.
[ Applause ]
god bless america
land that I love
stand beside her...
We have the passion
and the vision
and the courage of knowing
that we are right.
We are right,
they are wrong,
as we cling
to the word of god.
Where... Where police
are telling us
that we can't pray.
Where they're arresting us
for saving babies.
Where we have
forced abortion,
forced sterilization,
g*ng v*olence
in our cities.
You women who have
a maternal passion
beating in your breast,
don't keep iin your kitchen only,
take it down
to the school board,
take it down to the
city legislature
and run for office.
I'd rather have
a 100 deborahs
than one cowardly ahab
who cowers to jezebel!
Crowd:
[ cheering ]
our home...
Everyone now!
Sweehome
my home sweet home!
We have a two-fold plan:
number one is to save
as many children
as we can from death.
And number two, it's
to be a prophetic witness
to the clinton
administration
that we will not back down
on upholding the law of god.
If this nation...
If bill clinton
is going to rejecthe law of god,
then this nation
is going to die.
Woman:
what happened here?
What happened was
we had, uh,
operation rescue hold
their prayer vigil,
as they call it,
in front of our clinic,
and they attempted
to block it.
And, fortunately,
we were able to succeed.
And the police
helped us and we goall our patients in.
Crowd: [ chanting ]
two, four, six, eight,
randall terry lost today!
Two, four, six, eight,
randall terry lost today!
Two, four, six, eight,
randall terry lost today!
Two, four, six, eight...
A couple months ago,
we went to an
abortion mill
in north carolina,
took 128 dead babies,
arms, legs, heads,
everything, ouof dumpsters.
We even got a write-up
in the paper about it.
"The charlotte observer"
actually printed it.
We've been taking ito abortion mills,
giving it to people
that are going in
for abortions
and they've been leaving,
going to planned
parenthood clinics,
just because they don'want their baby to wind
up in that dumpster.
Ladies, these men...
You're playing righinto their hands
because they are
exploiting you sexually.
They're having sex
with you when they want,
when you want,
they're using you sexually
and then they're paying
to have your baby k*lled.
Is that loving women?
...you're r*cist.
I'm not a r*cist.
Jesus loves you even
though you're a pig!
Do you know the
procedure used to be
to crush the heads?
Now they're worth $300,
so they sell the heads?
Crowd:
na-na-na-na,
na-na-na-na
hey, hey, hey, goodbye!
This is called denial.
They don't wanto hear the truth.
This is called denial.
You can't even have
a legitimate conversation.
Every society thahas promoted the k*lling
of innocent blood,
the shedding
of innocent blood,
not to mention
h*m*, would
have been wiped out.
If you're pro-choice
and you know it, fix your wigs
if you're pro-choice
and you know it
and you really wanto show it
if you're pro-choice
and you know it, fix your wigs
would you want these
kind of people
to baby-sit your children?
I mean, think about it.
Glory, glory,
we are pro-gay
glory, glory,
we are pro-sex
church ladies
marching on
they might not be
a good influence on my kids.
I could be wrong.
It could be thamy h*m* and bigotry
has made me blind,
but I think...
Again, I could be wrong...
I think thathis is perversion.
Whoo!
Man:
randall, jesus
loves even you!
Don't worry.
It's all right.
We spoke to him
this morning.
Crowd: [ chanting ]
randall terry go away...
Listen, jeffrey dahmer
believed in freedom
of choice!
Man:
sexist bigotry!
Jeffrey dahmer believed
in freedom of choice!
Sexist bigotry!
And he was a h*m*!
Sexist bigotry!
And he practiced
necrophilia!
Sexist bigotry!
Do you think
jeffrey dahmer
was a good man?
Sexist bigotry.
That's you, randall.
See, you can't even
carry on a conversation
with these people.
You can't even
carry on a conversation
with these people.
For anyone who studied
biology or physiology,
who can go into the womb
and look at the
gestational facts
of when life occurs...
Just like you said, tony,
when you look
at the pro-life
and you look aan abortion procedure,
in all its glory
and for what it is,
there are no arguments
that can justify that.
[ Chimes jingling ]
woman:
it was a hard
decision to make.
I'm still in school.
I can't...
I... Can't have
any children right now.
Woman:
the age that I am and...
The things I still
need to do
before I can actually
raise a child,
like finish college
and have a good job
and a marriage...
Woman:
my fiance, at the time,
lived out of town
and came home for a weekend
and I wasn't expecting him.
And we used a
condom, but...
Wasn't as fool-proof
as we thought it would be.
Woman:
I mean, our relationship
wasn't that,
you know, strong.
There wasn'that much of...
You know, trusor support there anyway.
And then, like,
to bring something
like this into...
Into our
relationship, it...
It wouldn't have worked.
It... It won't.
Woman:
uh, he doesn't care.
So I didn'discuss it with him.
He doesn't care
if I have the child
or if I abort the child.
Man:
everything's going
very well.
Okay. Very good.
We've got them
in good position.
And this is an
antiseptic solution.
And we're all done.
Okay. This will feel
much better now,
get the speculum out.
Yeah, this oughto help a lot,
we'll get that out.
Is that any better?
All right.
Just stay right there.
Just let me just...
Doctor... Wipe
for a minute.
Okay.
We are done.
All right.
Good show.
We'll find out thaher total blood loss
was really quite minimal.
It's just a matter of us
basically piecing the...
The fetal tissue
back together
to make sure that we
have all of the fragments.
Oh, the media
attention is...
Is always directed
for the fetus and the...
The gory parts,
if you will, of...
Of providing the...
The procedure.
When the... When
the really important thing
is that we've been able
to help this young lady
get on with her life,
she's planning
to go on to school
and she doesn't have
to take over
the responsibilities
of parenting.
And here, in jusa very few minutes,
we're able to
facilitate her decision
to not be a parenat this time.
Most of our patients
are in the first trimester
and only 1% would be
at this stage
in the pregnancy.
How are you doing?
Are you feeling okay?
You really
did fine.
We couldn't have asked
for you to...
To be a
better patient.
You... Everything
was there
and you were
20 menstrual weeks,
just like we had
expected from
the ultrasound.
But the procedure
really went fine
and I'm sure
you will be okay.
When I hear arguments
by intelligent, zealous,
well-meaning people,
both in favor of
a woman's right to choose
and against a woman's
right to choose,
I always think of
the old story of the rabbi
who was conducting courin eastern europe.
And he heard
the husband's version
of why the marriage
was terrible
and said to the husband,
"you know, my son,
you're right."
Then he heard the
wife's version and
he says to the wife,
"you know, my daughter,
you're right."
And then the rabbinical
student says,
"but, rabbi,
they both can't be right."
And the rabbi said,
"you know, my son,
you're right."
Everybody is righwhen it comes to
the issue of abortion.
One of the mosfascinating people
in the entire
abortion debate
is my friend and
colleague nat hentoff,
who is a writer
and a civil libertarian.
Generally supports
the right of women,
always supports
the right to choose,
for example, the
right to choose
to read or write
pornography.
He's an atheist.
He doesn't believe in god,
doesn't believe
in the soul of a fetus,
and yet he does nosupport a woman's righto choose abortion.
Once the sperm
and the egg meeand they find a sort of
nesting place in the uterus,
you now have a
developing human being.
It's not a kangaroo,
it's not a giraffe.
It's a human being.
And that developmenin the womb
until the person
comes ouis a continuing process.
Therefore, if you
k*ll it at any stage,
first three weeks,
first three months,
you're k*lling a
developing human being.
It's not, as they used
to say on the other side,
"just a cluster
of cells".
They like to pretend
that this is not human life.
And it's interesting...
Uh, alan dershowitz
mentioned to me
some years ago,
his wife was pregnanand he saw the fetus
in a sonogram.
And you could see the hands
moving and the feet moving.
And for a moment,
he began to wonder
if his pro-choice position
was really the one to hold,
but he kept to it.
I'll never forgethe time
when I saw the
first pictures
of my little daughter
and was told by the...
The doctor that,
you know,
she was kind of
reaching for the
needle as the, uh...
The injection had...
Had come in
because she was being given
an amniocentesis.
For me, that was
a live human being.
I regarded my child
as live and a person,
certainly from
the third month or so.
But that's because
we had made a firm decision
that this child was
going to be broughinto the world.
I don't know how
I would feel about a
three-month-old fetus
who the mother said
is going to be terminated.
Would I think of ias a human being
at that point?
Uh, this... These
are... These are the
hardest questions.
These are questions
that are impossible
of solution in
the abstract.
There are conflicting
values.
And taken in isolation,
each of the values
is quite legitimate.
So the value of
preserving human life,
or for that matter
the life of any organism,
uh, that... Thais a value thawe should accept.
You shouldn't just go
arbitrarily k*ll some animal
because it's fun to k*ll it.
I... That's
a reasonable value.
On the other hand,
most people will agree
to swat a mosquito.
Okay, well, that...
The idea that life is...
Should be valued
has come into conflicwith another value...
And we know
what that one is.
And that's commonly
the case.
The values that we hold
are not absolute,
they are always
contingent.
They conflict.
And life is made up
of decisions and
complicated situations
in cases of
conflicting values.
If you listen to jusone in isolation,
yeah, it may sound
legitimate and...
And maybe is.
But you have to ask
what it means under
particular conditions.
So choice is legitimate,
preserving life
is legitimate,
and sometimes
they run into conflict.
What's really going on
when people argue
about abortion
are very differenworld views,
very different conceptions
of the role of women,
of how importanmotherhood is,
of whether women should be
out in the world of work,
of the importance
of sexuality,
of the separation
between sexual behavior
and procreation,
and that this is
what really divides
both women and men on
the issue of abortion.
And that's not something
that's going to be resolved
by any kind of
philosophical argument.
And I think that women
that allow themselves
to be used by men
and then have to go
to an abortion clinic
to take care of
a few minutes' pleasure
is absolutely insane.
I think we need
to get back to the bible
and we need to bring
our children to god.
And that's why
there's so much m*rder
and... Free sex
in this country.
And we need to stop it.
I believe thathe woman's choice
is not to have sex with...
With a person
that's not her husband
and to have sex
out of wedlock
or to mess around
with people
before they get married.
I just think it's wrong
and I just think that we should
go back to the bible
and teach our children
righteousness.
If you study history,
you go back and find outhat this nation was founded
upon moral issues
and religion.
And when you have a life
formed inside a human being,
and it is life,
and you take that life,
then you had to premeditate
the taking of that life.
So, as far as I'm concerned,
my feelings on abortion
is that it is
first degree m*rder.
You know, I just pray
that we will come to
our senses as a nation,
that we will go back
and listen
and study the history
of our founding fathers
and see what this country
was really based upon
and what it was
founded upon.
But here in america,
the land of the free
and supposedly the land
that believes in god,
we have a holocausof our own,
and blood
is on our hands
much more than it ever was
on the n*zi regime.
Thank you.
[ Organ ]
when the supreme courdeclared abortion
to be a constitutional
right in 1973,
the bishops became extremely
politically active.
So much so that by 1974,
they had developed
something called
the pastoral plan
for pro-life activities,
in which they attempted
to organize catholics,
congressional district by
congressional district,
to work against abortion,
to work to overturn
roe v. Wade
and make abortion illegal.
You had pro-life
committees cropping up
in every parish
across the country,
and you had a
continuing barrage
of both political
campaigning by the bishops
as well as the
organization of ordinary
catholic people.
It's the catholic
bishops that started
and initially financed
the first pro-life,
anti-abortion
organizations
in the united states.
Our goal must be to shine
the light of chrisinto the hearof our nation.
We must therefore,
first and foremost,
develop a willingness
to speak out in defense
of all human life,
even in the mosordinary of circumstances
of daily life.
Parishes must engage
themselves in
concerted action
through networks
which promote change
in public social policy
and legal rights
to protect all
created human life
from the moment of
conception through
natural death.
We are warned by christ's
maxim in the gospel
that those who
live by v*olence
will perish by it.
If you are hearing every
sunday in church
that abortion is m*rder,
if you are hearing
every sun... If you
are hearing regularly
that the... The mosdangerous environmenin the world
is women's wombs,
if you are hearing thawomen are having abortions
for convenience,
if you are hearing
that women are selfish
in their decisions
to have abortions,
if you... If doctors
who perform abortions
are constantly called
abortionists,
if the provision of
abortion services
is constantly
referred to as the
abortion industry,
if you are
constantly told
that doctors do abortions
simply to make money,
all of these things
dull one's moral sensibility,
and in an unstable
person, I think,
gives them the kind
of justification
that they need to...
To even go so far
as to m*rder doctors.
The last three physicians
I have worked for
have all been m*rder*d.
I was there the day
that dr. Gunn was
m*rder*d at the clinic
at the ladies center.
That was in march of '93.
Reporter:
in pensacola, florida,
police have arrested an
anti-abortion demonstrator
for the sh**ting
of a doctor outside
an abortion clinic.
Police said
michael frederick griffin
approached dr. David gunn
as he was entering
his clinic
and shouted, "don'k*ll any more babies."
He then shot dr. Gunn
three times in the back
with a .38 caliber revolver.
He then surrendered
to the authorities.
Griffin was taking parin a demonstration
sponsored by don treshman
of rescue america,
a houston-based
anti-abortion organization.
Michael griffin walked up
to him in the parking loand shot him in the back.
Michael was raised
in first methodist church,
downtown pensacola.
But then he married
a woman who...
She and her family
were members of the
assembly of god,
and so he converted
over to that.
So he came out of
the woodwork in pensacola.
The case the defense
is making, they seem
to be saying that...
Michael griffin was
really not the man
who pulled the trigger.
The defense is trying
to point to another man
named donald gratton,
who's a...
A very active
anti-abortion minister,
and who's also
associated with a man
who's been very critical
in all of this,
john burt, another
anti-abortion minister.
But the defense is trying
to say that the whole thing
was more or less
masterminded by john burt.
We should see those
two individuals
on the stand tomorrow,
probably.
John burt is a
local lay minister
of the assembly of god.
He is a former
serviceman,
former ku klux klan member.
Had been in jacksonville
in the military
where he joined
the ku klux klan.
He became a dope addicand an alcoholic,
little bit of
everything else
until he found jesus.
We went out there
on a monday or tuesday,
I'm not sure
what day it was now,
and were picketing
the place
when somebody said
they heard some sh*ts.
And then they
ran around back
and coming back
around front said,
"david's laying
on the ground and
he's pumping blood."
And during that time,
michael had come back
around front,
turned himself over to a
law enforcement officer.
I think burneeds to practice
more peace.
He doesn't need
to teach hate,
and that's whahe's doing. I
don't know that...
He says he's
practicing or
teaching love
and christian
and all this,
but he is...
He's just stirring up
hate and v*olence.
I feel burt is...
I... I hold him
responsible
for dr. Gunn's
m*rder.
He may nohave pulled
that trigger,
but he was just as
responsible for
michael griffin
because he... Like
he said, he got...
Got a weak mind.
He pumped him up.
He pumped him up
for it.
I really do.
Burt...
I think he's a...
A man of contradictions
in many ways and...
And yet I don'think he is.
He's a pretty simple
person to understand.
He does not like children,
yet he dedicates
his efforts toward them.
I don't think he really
likes women...
And yet he uses them to...
To make a living off them.
[ Cough ]
he...
Supposedly is
understanding,
but yet he's extremely
controlling.
His own daughter has said
she liked him better
when he was a drunk
and an addict.
We run a.... A ministry
for women and children
in crisis,
whether it be
unwed mothers,
battered wives,
homeless people,
any kind of crisis situation
a woman could be in.
We ask for at leasa six-month commitment.
After that time,
if they want to try
to go to school,
we'll try to
get grants for them
or help them go
through voc...
Voc-tech school
or find housing.
And they can stay
with us while they go
to school is they want.
When you come to
a place like this
where they show
you that...
But they show you
through... In the bible
where it shows you
this is the way it was.
When you see a lot of
h*m* and lesbians,
you see that god doesn'like it to begin with,
no matter
what they tell you.
Look what he did
in sodom and gomorrah.
You know, if he did iway back then,
what's he going
to do now?
So it can't be a
peaceful world thawe're coming to.
It's going to be worse.
Burt: [ on video ]
if this was a
christian country,
david gunn would be
guilty of m*rder
and he would stand
trial before a
jury of his peers
and be ex*cuted
for k*lling the children.
Prosecutor:
and that's what you wanted,
was for dr. Gunn
to be k*lled.
No, sir. That's whawould happen if we were
a christian country.
Prosecutor:
I see.
And you don'feel that we're a
christian country?
No, sir.
Not with the...
People we goin office nowadays.
This couldn't be
a christian country.
Viewers:
[ chuckling ]
prosecutor:
you believe that...
You think that harming
another person is okay
to stop abortion?
If that's what god's
spoken to someone.
Prosecutor:
if that is the word
that god has spoken
to someone.
Yes, sir.
Prosecutor:
and have you
ever helped god
speak to anyone?
[ Laughter ]
no, I'm not god.
I'm just flesh and blood.
I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the
united states of america.
I... I don't know how much
longer, as christians,
we can even pledge
allegiance to the flag
because that flag
just flies over places
like the prisons
where our patriots
are locked up,
and over the abortion
clinics where our
babies are k*lled.
Politics and religion
in the united states
don't mix at all anymore.
They tell you
what you can pray,
when you can pray,
where you can pray.
It's just a... It's
just a sorry situation
in this country right now.
I remember giving my...
And that was
a long time ago...
I sent two videos,
two books, could
have been more...
Burt:
the prosecution
tried to say
we brainwashed michael.
They said that we
encouraged him to
do the sh**ting,
but I believe
if you're pro-life,
you're for all life,
whether it's born or unborn.
We showed michael griffin
and his family
two tapes when
they were over here.
One was called
"the hard truth"
and one was called
"who will cry for me?"
They were very graphic
abortion tapes...
That have been shown
all over the country
to thousands and
thousands of people.
I don't know if it had
an effect on him,
but I know it hadn'had an effect on
many other people,
not to the extreme
it did on him
where they want to go ouand k*ll somebody.
Some might ask
why a video of this sorshould even be necessary.
The answer can be found
in the gruesome films
used to teach abouthe n*zi holocausagainst the jews.
Teachers don't show
bloody world w*r ii footage
to manipulate students
emotionally,
they use it because
the n*zi death camps
represented an evil
so inexpressible
that lectures alone
could never
adequately describe it.
The abortion holocausis no different.
Everyone instinctively
knows that abortion is evil,
but many mistakenly believe
it's often the lesser
of two evils.
Until you've seen the pictures
we're about to show you,
you can't begin to know
how evil it actually is.
A curse on him
who would deny
god's image in mankind
torn from outheir mother's womb
denied the sky,
denied a tomb
conceived in lusto their own ruin
a sacrifice to pleasure
a curse, a curse
their blood cries out
a curse, a curse
the heavens shout
a curse on him
who dares to flout
god's image...
Prosecutor:
and you use those
to help converpeople to your
position.
To show them the truth
of what's going on
in the clinic
and hopefully
they'll realize
that they're k*lling
children in there, yes.
Prosecutor:
in response
to a question
about your
responsibility,
your involvemenin this sh**ting
incident of david gunn,
if you made the
following statement:
"if I am a general
with troops under me
and I give them
a game plan and
send them out,
I can't be
responsible
for every soldier
in that army."
Did you say that?
Yes, sir.
No further
questions.
The anti-abortionists
are strongly
fundamentalists,
almost universally,
and whether you're talking
about catholics,
mormons or protestants,
they're... They're kind...
One kind of fundamentalisor the other.
Those who favor choice
tend to be non-religious.
And a whole lot of them,
the activists, the escorts
at clinics and so forth,
are pagans,
overtly pagan.
And so, we... We have
a religious w*r,
in a sense,
going on here.
[ Hushed chatter ]
hopefully, michael griffin
will get...
The jury will give him
a medal, I hope.
Reiter:
I was just talking with...
With andrew cabot again
and with...
The woman down there,
what's her name?
Slipped my mind...
Bray, donna bray.
And she's saying...
She's saying, "come down
and visit me any time
and I'll show you around."
And so they've given me
a lot of hospitality,
which is nice.
Man:
would you mind if he joins us?
Not at all.
That'd be fine.
Reiter:
I notice you're noon this list.
I think they should
execute blasphemers.
Reiter:
you think they
should execute...?
Blasphemers, yes.
Yes. The bible
teaches that.
Reiter:
now, to blaspheme is to...
For instance,
if you say...
If a person were to say,
"goddammit",
is that blasphemy?
Paul, is taking...
Is... Is...
Using the lord's
name in vain, that's
not blasphemy.
Reiter:
if you say, "goddammit",
if someone says that,
are they blaspheming?
It might be, yes.
Uh, yes, yes.
Reiter:
and that person
should be ex*cuted?
Cabot:
I think so, yes.
Reiter:
okay, so you go outo the ball park with
your kids or something
and some baseball players
are out there
and they say,
"goddammit", would you...?
Well, no, I'm talking aboumembers, you know...
Well, yes, yes.
Anybody who blasphemes our
god should be ex*cuted.
Because, you know, that's
what the bible teaches.
They want to head
towards a sh**ting w*r,
like a jihad,
a holy w*r.
Some of the players involved,
paul hill, andrew cabot,
have said thathey think that...
It is justifiable
to k*ll abortionists
and others
should they not repenfrom their sins.
Now, the sins that were
included in there,
they mentioned sodomites,
which is the...
The fundamentalist term
for h*m*.
They should be k*lled,
they're worthy of execution.
And people who blaspheme
are worthy of execution,
such as somebody
who says "goddammit".
Boom. They
should be ex*cuted.
I asked them that question
specifically.
Reiter:
I'm taken aback a little
bit, I guess, here.
Do you want to know other
sins that we...
We'd execute people for?
Reiter:
yes, yes.
There's sod... Sodomy.
Reiter:
and define sodomy for the...
Those are the sodomites
over there.
That's the definition.
Reiter:
what... What do you mean?
Because they're
in favor of abortion?
Cabot:
no, they're sodomites.
Most of your rabid
feminists are sodomites.
Most of them. Mosof the rabid femi-nazis
are lesbians and...
And pro-aborts.
I mean,
they're pro-abort too.
Reiter:
so a sodomite is someone
who has sex with a person
of their same gender?
Yes.
And they deserve what?
Execution.
So the whole day yesterday
was kind of surreal for me
because when I had talked
to paul hill first...
And... And he's
very smooth on-camera
and in...
In interviews...
But when he's around
somebody like andrew cabot,
then you see
the other side of him,
the... The more
ominous side.
Then he admits that, yes,
he would k*ll somebody
for saying "goddammit".
And when I
walked away from them,
I was actually shaking
a little bit.
I mean, I've been a
reporter for a long time
and I've heard
a lot of crazy things,
but there was jussomething about that.
I... I could sense
inside myself
that something really evil
was going to happen.
And, I mean,
how did it come abouthat you signed
a statement in...
In behalf of
michael griffin?
Well, defensive action
is a pro-life organization
declaring the justice
of taking all godly
action necessary
to defend innocenhuman life, including
the use of force.
We're declaring that whatever
force is justified
in the defense of the life
of a born child
is also justified
in defense of the life
of an unborn child.
And five days after
the sh**ting of dr. Gunn,
I appeared on the
"donahue" show with
dr. David gunn's son
and I said that,
while I did not think
that what michael griffin did
was necessarily wise...
I suspended judgmenas to whether iwas wise or not...
I said I thoughit was, in fact, just.
Man:
we, the jury, find as follows
as to the charge contained
in the indictment...
Guilty of first-degree
m*rder as charged
in the indictment.
So say we all
this 5th day of march, 1994.
The blood of the children
are on the jury's hands now.
And when they face god
on judgment day,
they're going to have
to accounfor what happened
here today.
And it won't be pretty.
Are you surprised
at the verdict?
No, he was guilty.
There wasn'any question about that.
I mean, they had four people
that heard confession so...
He's guilty.
So you'll be back out on
ninth avenue before long?
Burt:
yes sir,
next friday.
And i... I would guess,
in six months
we'll probably be back up
to the 50 or 60 people
that we had every day
at the clinic again.
So once we get out...
Once we get oufrom under the shadow of
the michael griffin case,
dr. Gunn's death,
we can go on
business as usual.
The... The guilty verdicon michael griffin
was a travesty
'cause michael
is actually a hero.
He laid down his life
out of love for
his unborn neighbors.
But he has raised
a question...
And the question will nobe put back in the box...
As to whether it is justo defend not only
born children
but also unborn children,
with force.
And it's clearly justified
to do as he has done.
As a matter of fact,
not only justified,
but christ himself
has said
that we should
do unto others
as we would have them
do unto us.
Reporter:
so can we expecto see you
on trial for m*rder
in the near future?
Reiter:
i... I don'think we've seen
the last type of v*olence
such as whamichael griffin did
with dr. Gunn.
I think it's going
to escalate from
here on out.
They're very small
in number right now,
but they want to grow
and they need to do
some outrageous things
to get the kind
of media attention
and to sort of
inspire people
who want to come and be
martyrs for the cause.
It's going to get worse
because no one's willing
to take action.
I mean, no...
They didn't take
significant action
after my father's m*rder
and that created a climate
where they kind of said,
"go ahead
and do it again."
Because all the heads
of the organizations
didn't condemn the actions
of michael griffin.
They said, you know,
"we're sorry, but..."
And I want to thank you all
for coming out.
And it means a lot to me
to see everybody here.
I can't thank you enough
for... For being here,
for continuing to...
To do what you do every day
under... Under the
pressure, under the...
The hate, under the...
The threat of v*olence
that you all have to face.
It's amazing to me,
especially after...
After my father
was m*rder*d
and after dr. Tilley
was shot,
and even dr. Patterson
was m*rder*d in mobile.
Like, I mean, I can't...
Believe the conviction
that you all must have.
And even... Today,
when we're trying
to have a memorial service,
we have to deal with it.
I mean, we have people
over there in the corner.
We have to show these people
that they can stand there,
they can hold
their signs,
they can speak
their words...
And for every
law they break,
we can pass a law
that will break them.
Thank you for being here.
I hope that this next year
proves to be a lot better
than the one that we've
just got finished with.
[ Applause ]
but if you persisin k*lling born or
unborn children,
the wrath of god
abides on you.
This is the second death,
the lake of fire.
Man:
oh no!
Not the lake of fire!
Murderers should be ex*cuted.
Abortionists are murderers,
therefore, abortionists
should be ex*cuted.
The radicals and zealots
here in our community
suddenly changed
the pattern
that they had used
in the past.
We went from having
volunteer anti-abortion
people who foughagainst us,
and in march of 1989
that changed.
Suddenly there
was a cadre of
highly-paid leaders.
There was a cadre
of part-time people
who act as the
sign-carriers and the...
What they call
"sidewalk counselors",
they're...
They're far
from counselors.
There is a
national technique
that the
anti-abortion
extremists
have used around
the country
in which they buy
the property,
the closest possible
to the clinic.
In fact, this household
and the people around ihave more paid people
working against us
than my staff
inside this clinic.
There also is
a voyeuristic componenabout these people watching
across the street.
Many of them are
the terrible profile
that police tell you about:
the single,
unmarried man
with no familial
attachments of any kind.
I believe that those men
get their sexual feelings
from the voyeurism.
The closest those men
come to having sex
is by preying on women
whom they know have had sex,
and they get a libidinous
thrill from it.
Religious people should be
active in great numbers
to picket and
sidewalk-counsel these women
to discourage them
from the crime of m*rder.
With proper civil law,
these women,
once they have
procured an abortion,
should be tried
and convicted
of first or
second-degree m*rder
or manslaughter,
as the particular
circumstances of
the case warrants.
In some cases,
it should be the person
who forced a woman
or a girl into
having an abortion
who should be tried
and convicted.
This problem of the over
80% of american women
are guilty of m*rder.
Most of these
remain unrepentant.
They are in a state of
denial regarding their guiland have not asked
for god's forgiveness.
It is these women
and their male accomplices
who make it so difficulfor clergymen
who do speak
against these evils.
Short of god's direcintervention,
justifiable homicide,
a legal defense in
every state of the union
and recently acknowledged
by ann landers,
may be the only way
to discourage
the practice of abortion
in the future.
I believe thawe're on the verge
of going ouinto the universe,
and I believe that...
We will have a
holy people at that time.
So within the nex20 to 50 years...
We would have a
complete reversal
of what we have today,
have a very highly
religious people,
and it would be these
people who would go ouand populate the universe.
Or, as the case may be,
if there's already
populations out there,
would instruct them
in proper faith.
John burt owned
a little bit of that land
on two sides of
the ladies center
which he used for...
Platforms over the fence
to holler at people
as they went in and
out of the clinic.
And paul hill
came to pensacola.
He began picketing,
joining in the activities
at the ladies center,
in particular.
He was regarded
with suspicion by burand the conroys and
the other leaders athose picketing events.
Publicly,
they disavowed him;
at the same time
they cooperated with
him and he with them.
He stood on burt's platform
screaming at women
and no one could geon that platform
without burt's permission.
So, obviously,
they were working together.
Reporter:
dr. Britton told me
he wears his
b*llet-proof vesto reassure his family
and staff,
and as a normal
safety measure.
Well, I have the same
concern lest there...
Something might go wrong,
so I try to keep
my eyes open
and look around.
But i...
I'm not any...
Really, any more afraid
than I would be
in any other situation
where one has to
use precautions.
Reporter:
protesters who congregate
outside the clinics
where he practices
have followed him,
run checks on his
license plate,
and produce what they
describe as "unwanted"
posters about him,
but he is not intimidated.
It's just thahere's a job thaif I don't do it, iprobably won't get done.
And so I do it.
Abortionists
are murderers!
Murderers should
be ex*cuted!
[ Chorus singing ]
and then when I
did get the word
that it was the doc...
I collapsed.
I just could nobelieve...
I mean, I remember...
I'd never losconsciousness,
but I remember
hitting the dirt,
'cause I could
not believe that,
"my god, this has
happened again."
I'm angry because
paul hill stood out fronfor the last,
what, 17 months
with a sign thasays "by god."
You know, he didn't say,
"I'm going to do it,"
but he sure
advocated it...
And that it was
going to happen.
Reporter:
why did you do it?
Now is the time
to defend the unborn
in the same way you
defend slaves abouto be m*rder*d.
One difference between
paul hill and michael
is that michael was
just kind of a fruitcake.
Now, paul hill really
sincerely believed
what he did was righand he would give you
scripture to back that up,
which I don't think he can,
but he thinks he can.
So I like paul.
Paul's a likeable guy.
I consider paul a friend.
The court finds,
as did the jury,
that the aggravating
circumstances
presented in this case
outweigh the mitigating
circumstances presented.
Accordingly,
it is ordered and judged
that defendanpaul jennings hill
is hereby sentenced
in count one, to death,
for the m*rder of
dr. John bayard britton.
It is further ordered
that the defendant,
paul jennings hill,
is hereby sentenced
in count two, to death,
for the m*rder of
james herman barrett.
The defendant is hereby
committed to the custody
of the departmenof corrections in
the state of florida
for execution of
this sentence as
provided by law.
May god have mercy
on your soul.
Woman:
your honor,
the word of the lord
says, "test not..."
Judge:
order in the court.
Woman:
"...charged to my..."
This man
is innocenand his blood will
be on your hands
and the hands of
the people of the
state of florida
and on the jury.
Man:
she's right.
Woman:
that's right, your honor.
And we support paul.
We think
in the future
there will be
much more of
these actions.
We think that maybe
truck bombings of
abortion conventions,
surface-to-surface
missiles may be used.
Abortion musbe banned now
or this force
will spin ouof control.
Absolutely.
Reporter:
do you think
something else
is going to happen
as a result of this?
In time.
I can't answer
just exactly how soon,
but in... In time.
It will motivate people,
particularly when paul
has actually been ex*cuted,
it will motivate people
to become very active.
Reporter:
to do what?
To... Take action,
violent action
if necessary,
against abortionists,
their staffs,
facilities
that perform abortions.
The other day
I was passing...
I had been somewhere
and passed a family
planning clinic
where people were
so vehemently protesting
with those awful pictures
of fetuses and so on;
and I got to thinking,
"what in the world...?"
If I think of this as
a projection, you know,
if people are
very moved, i...
I think we think of,
from the point of
view of the psyche
of what moves people,
and that often
what people geso up in arms abouis something of their
own internal life
that's projected
out on the world.
So I thought, well,
what could this be
that people
who are so furious
at women who are going
to have an abortion?
What... What is it?
Are they projecting
their own k*lling
a new life,
what new life mighthey be k*lling in themselves
that they're projecting
onto these women?
And that... Then
it occurred to me
I might think
about that further,
which I intend to do,
because I think dogma...
You know, if one
subscribes to a dogma,
there's a kind of k*lling
of any new life.
When creativity,
new thinking, new
feeling, can't...
Can't get born, igets k*lled by the dogma.
At around 10:00 a.m.
On december 30th,
a friday morning,
I was in pre-term
in the stock room
when suddenly I heard
the sound of g*nf*re:
pop, pop, pop, pop.
Being an nra-certified
instructor,
I recognized immediately
that this was small caliber
semi-a*t*matic fire,
either from a p*stol
or a r*fle.
I drew my east german-made
makarov p*stol
from my left-hand
side holster
and approached the door.
I pulled the door open
with my right hand
and entered
the crime scene.
I saw jane sauer
lying prone
at the back of the office
near a coffee machine,
but she was still alive,
she was still moving
and squirming.
Off to the right I spotted
a suspect, an intruder,
and he and I began
to engage in g*nf*re.
I had a limited capacity,
nine sh*ts,
but apparently
my opponent had
up to 50 or more sh*ts
immediately available
and had hundreds
more available to
him in a black bag.
We fought for
a short period,
and during that time
I was wounded three times
by three or four b*ll*ts.
During a g*n fight,
you don't feel fear
or pain or anger.
Time seemed to be
greatly expanded
as if moving
in slow motion.
And I was able
to remember
every detail of
the suspect's face
including his
blazing eyes,
his furrowed brow
and his taut mouth,
a sight thai'll never forget.
On that day, to me,
he looked as white
as a ghost.
And I'll always remember
the sounds of the g*nf*re,
pop, pop, pop, pop,
and the cries
from leanne nichols,
"no! No! No! No!"
Followed by shrill,
high-pitched screams.
And I'll always
remember the oath
that he cried out at me
as he was peppering me
with g*nf*re.
In a blasphemous way
he said,
"in the name of
the mother of god."
Those words
I will never forget.
Dr. Resnick:
a few months ago,
a man in florida
k*lled a doctor who
performed abortions.
Do you recall,
remember his name?
No. What was that?
Do you remember
reading about it?
Reading that he shoa physician to death
and he was charged
and convicted
of m*rder?
Uh...
Do you recall
reading about?
Huh! Uh... I've
heard differenthings in the paper
about differenindividuals doing
stuff like that.
Okay.
Do you supporthat kind of
conduct or not?
Do I support it?
That's a question that i...
I don't know.
Does the pope support it?
If the pope supported it,
I support it.
How does the pope
feel about it?
I don't know the
answer to that.
Has... Has the pope
made a proclamation
one way or the
other on it?
Have you asked him?
I... I don't know.
If every catholic
was like me...
Mm-hmm.
Just like me...
The catholic church would
have anything it wanted.
But I just wanto understand
your views
on abortion,
personally and
as a catholic.
I believe along
the lines of whathe pope believes.
Whatever the pope
believes, I believe.
All right.
And...
The pope delegates his
authority to the...
Cardinals, to
the bishops...
To the priests...
But the...
The pope has a
specific papal
encyclical
...to me.
On abortion,
right?
The pope has
taken a very
fixed position...
Yes, I back the pope up.
Okay.
And what is
that position?
He's against it.
All right,
and...
Completely.
Completely?
Yeah.
Okay. And do
you feel the
same way?
Yes.
All right.
How strongly?
I'm also againsquite a few forms
of birth control too.
Okay. Let's stay
with abortion,
just keep isimple here.
How strong an advocate
are you for the
anti-abortion...?
As strong as the pope is.
Okay. And
have you...
If the pope
says, "jump,"
the catholic people
should jump.
If the pope
says, "sit,"
the catholic people
should sit.
Okay.
The ones who don't siwhen the pope says siand the ones who
don't jump when
the pope says jump
are the ones
that aren't smart.
Okay.
In the name of jesus...
Reporter:
in an interview
just days before
he was due to be ex*cuted,
paul hill said
that he would have
deserved imprisonmenhad he been
an abortionist,
but that it was
offensive to him
that the governmenwanted to k*ll him
for having done
a good deed.
Reporter:
at just past 6:00 p.m.
On september 3rd, 2003,
officers of
the state of florida
pushed a needle containing
a deadly cocktail of dr*gs
into the arm of paul hill.
[ Mixed shouts ]
reporter:
a day before he died,
hill had said:
"to be quite honest,
it seemed like a wonderful
privilege to me
to die for having defended
innocent people."
The cross before me
the world behind me
the cross before me
the world behind me
the cross before me
the world behind me
no turning back...
Wilson:
the whole conflicon abortion in the
united states has arisen
because of the
religious righjumping on this issue
as something to use
to convert people,
to gain adherence
to their particular...
Fundamental
christianity beliefs,
and also to raise money,
not incidentally,
to raise money.
They use propaganda
as well as anybody else.
They know
the techniques.
They know thayou take an issue
and you push iinto the marketplace
and people respond to it,
and then ibecomes bigger,
and that's the technique
that they're using.
Back in 1970,
at a little pizza parlor
down on greenville avenue,
norma mccorvey
met sarah weddington
and linda coffee,
and there was
the beginnings of
roe versus wade.
In austin, whawas happening was thathe law was thaabortion was illegal
except to save
the life of the woman.
No one really knew
what that meant,
and so doctors
simply would noperform procedures,
because they were
afraid that they
would be prosecuted
and certainly lose
their medical licenses.
There was a major case...
It is probably the
most important case
before roe versus wade
in our american legal
history of privacy...
And it was a case
that said there is
a right of privacy,
such that individuals
have the right to decide
whether to bear
or begat a child.
We began by filing
a case in dallas.
I had asked one
of the people in
law school with me,
a woman named linda coffee,
to be co-counsel.
We had found a married
couple in dallas
who were willing
to be plaintiffs
and we had found an
unmarried pregnant woman,
whom we call jane roe.
I signed an affidavion march the 7th of 1970,
stating that I was an
unmarried pregnant woman
and that I had soughto get a legal abortion
here in the state
of texas, and...
But because of the
texas statute on abortion,
I could not do so.
The court case moved
to washington d.c.,
And on january 22nd, 1973,
abortion, through
all nine months,
was made legal
in this nation.
What we didn't know then
was that, as we
were celebrating,
those who were opposed
to abortion were thinking
about how they could eventually
defeat that victory.
Someone come by and they
blew out our front windows.
They drove down
the street,
they turned around,
they came back,
they blew out the
back windshield of my car,
plus the storm door.
I've been harassed
on the telephone.
I've been harassed
in grocery stores,
department stores,
anywhere where you find
the general public,
for my stand on abortion.
I spent the better parof 14 years in this house,
locked up,
afraid to go outside.
One day I was working
at this... This gay bar
and I just felt like
there wasn't anything
for me to live for.
So I got off work early,
I went to my apartment,
and I would sit and I jusstarted cutting, like,
a quarter of an inch
of my wrists at a time.
Miss norma had come ouwith a brand new book.
It was...
It was in 1994.
It was called
"I am roe".
And we went down
where miss norma was doing
a bookselling and...
And she was
signing her books
in a little cafe
on mckinney avenue,
and we confronted
her there
with what we felt like
that she had done.
And I can remember saying,
"norma mccorvey,
you ought to be ashamed
that you have caused and
been the cause of the death
of over 35 million
little baby boys and girls."
And I knew when
I saw those words
pour into her heart,
I knew thai had hurt her
and I knew thathere was something
that I had to do.
One thursday morning,
I was sitting here
and connie called me
from work and...
'Cause we worked at the
same abortion clinic.
And she says,
"you'll never guess
who's moving in
next door."
And I said, "who?"
And she says, "guess."
So I said, "okay,
robert redford and...
I don't know,
woody allen."
She said, no, that it was
operation rescue.
Operation rescue is a
pro-life organization
that wants to abolish
roe versus wade
and make abortion illegal.
God providentially
worked it outhat we moved right in
next door to her.
I was a crystal carrier.
I carried crystals,
I had my pyramid,
I had my little
fertility goddesses.
I had amulets thai wore around my
ankles and my waist.
And flip told me thai didn't need those things.
If i...
If I would jusbelieve in jesus
that all things
would be good for me.
And we were still
pretty much at swords
with each other,
except for one thing,
and that thing
was that I had started
going over to their office
and going inside.
And it always seemed
so peaceful inside.
I mean, it always
seemed like they
were always so happy
and they were
just... Friendly.
And norma began
to trust us.
She began to like
coming over to this office
and we really began
to enjoy having her here.
And she became
fast friends
with two of the young girls
that are always here,
emily and... Chelsea.
If... If you could jusmeet emily, you would...
You would know what I'm
saying. She has this...
This gentle character
about her.
And she's very smart.
She reads abou100 books a year.
She loves her parents.
She... She
loves jesus chrisand she loves god.
She has that purity
of soul that...
That makes it all
worth living.
She... I don'know, she...
She's jusa little evangelist.
What can I say?
Benham:
this is the business
that our
lord jesus chrisis in.
He is a friend
of sinners.
And he saved an
old drunken saloon
keeper like myself
and set him on a rock,
gave me a brand new life,
and now the life I live
is no longer lived for me,
but for him.
And the gifts that I have
aren't made for me
to have a wonderful ministry
and make a lot of money,
but are given to me
that I can pour them outhat others might have a
fire burning in their hearfor the lord jesus christ.
And now he's
saved miss norma.
And miss norma's
life is now...
She was bought with a price,
she's not her own.
It isn't "my rights,
my body, my choice".
It's not my will,
but "thy will be done".
Connie and i, we're
sitting here one nighand we were
discussing abortion.
Connie, when she worked
at the abortion clinic,
worked in the back
in procedure room.
I'd been there four or
five months before I lefand I was telling
norma that...
That I was assisting
the doctor and thathey were real babies.
I said I could even
tell the sex.
I said, one of them
fell in my hand
and, I said,
and it scared me.
It scared me because
I didn't want to touch ibecause I didn't want to feel
that for the rest of my life.
I thought, well, you know,
I've never gone
and I've never looked
in the freezer, you know.
That's where they
kept all the babies
that they aborted.
[ Sniffle ]
um...
So I wenand got the key
and I unlocked iand... They
were babies, man.
They were little
human babies...
That had been mutilated.
And it hurt me.
It hurt my hearto think that...
I was the one
that was responsible
for all the dead babies.
They said that in order
for me to find god
or to accept jesus chrisinto my heart,
that I would have to go
through another process
of changing my opinion
on abortion.
And I looked
at both of them
and I told them thathat had already happened.
There's really never
a day that goes by
that we don't think
of how we can overturn
roe versus wade.
Benham:
I just believe
that what began
here in dallas
and became roe vs. Wade
ultimately
in washington, d.c.,
On january 22nd,
is now being summarily
dismantled
as we're watching
person after person
meeting the lord.
As we're watching
mother after mother
choosing life
rather than death
for their little
baby boys and girls.
And all of this is due
to the power of the gospel
of jesus christ.
And we believe
that the best news of all
is that finally
america is turning
back to almighty god.
And we're stopping
hewing out the
broken cisterns
and the welfare systems
that really aren'going to bring any
healing to this land.
[ Cheering ]
ladies and gentlemen,
norma mccorvey.
[ Applause ]
I'm very honored
to be here with
mr. Buchanan
and his wife and jane,
and just everyone here.
I mean, I'm...
I'm very star struck.
Um...
[ Laughing ]
I'm down here in
california, in san diego,
with operation rescue
national, that's where
I'm a missionary.
And I'm a servanof christ now.
[ Applause/cheering ]
I think that the
pro-choice community
is often reluctanto admit it,
but the facis that the...
The v*olence has
been effective
in exactly the way it was
intended to be effective.
Many abortion providers
and their staff
have dropped out of business
because of the threats,
the intimidation,
the harassment,
the ongoing threato their lives
and the lives of their
families and their staff.
Many doctors have
dropped the provision
of abortion services
as part of their practice,
or dropped ouof the practice of
medicine altogether
because of the m*rder
of their colleagues.
What happened last year
was one of
these really radical,
I assume, christian
right groups got...
Bought a mailing lisfrom the american
medical association
under the guise of
being some other kind
of group, I assume.
And they had the names
and addresses
of every single medical
student in this country,
and they sent oua mailing.
And it was a really
amazing...
I wish I had it. I...
It was a whole,
like, cartoon bookleand it had
all these cartoons,
anti-choice and
anti-abortionist cartoons
and jokes that were
really unbelievable.
I mean like,
just a lot of...
Talking aboukilling people
and really just vile,
really r*cist...
The worst one
was the one,
"if you were in
a room with...
With hitler..."
I can't remember
who the other
person was.
Like, some other
person like hitler
and an abortionist,
"and you had a g*n
with only two b*ll*ts,
what would you do?"
And the answer
was, "sh**t the
abortionist twice."
And this was being
sent to medical
students.
There's a... A
very big problem
with access to abortion.
There aren't a loof people who do
abortions anymore
and the... The
numbers are dwindling,
and one of the big
reasons is because
people aren't trained.
Abortions are at their
lowest level as they
have been since 1976.
There are 527 fewer
abortion mills today
than there were in 1987.
Only 11% of the medical
training facilities
are teaching
the abortion procedure.
That's down
from 56% in 1986.
There are fewer
abortionists
doing and practicing
this grisly trade.
And there are
no young doctors
that want to put their
whole medical career
on hold for abortion.
It doesn't matter
if we've won the righto legal abortion.
If there is no
physician that will
provide an abortion,
women will be back
where we were in the '50s
where the number of
deaths from illegally
induced abortions
was the highesdeath rate.
It was the cause
of the most deaths
of women in their
reproductive age... Ages.
From the ages
of 15 to 45.
That is whawomen died of
more frequently
than heart att*cks
or smoking
or car accidents
or domestic v*olence,
that was the predominancause of death.
There is nothing more
dangerous to a democracy
than when people
take their rights,
their liberties,
their freedom
of religion,
their freedom of speech,
their right to choose,
whatever fundamental
right it is,
they take it for granted.
And that they do
not participate
in the democracy in
preserving those liberties.
Because there will
always be forces at work
to try to take those
liberties away.
And right now there is a
strong ultra-conservative,
religious, fundamentalismovement in this country
led by groups,
like pat robertson...
His group,
christian coalition,
that are dis...
Just determined
to return women to their
biblically ordained role,
as they see it, which is to,
by and large, procreate.
And not to be equal partners
with men in the society,
but be under
the control of men.
We must spend our time
educating the grassroots,
inspiring them to
involve themselves.
[ Song accompanied
by guitar ]
where you been so long?
Singing the good song
[ indistinct ]
he bought a van
with all he had
and set abouto spread the word
when just the mention
of prevention
was illegal to be heard
man:
for more years than
I care to remember
I became involved
in the struggle for
reproductive freedom.
And that dates back
to 1963.
I was clinical
director for a drug
company called emco,
which makes
birth control products.
And while at a hospital
in new york city,
I heard a woman scream.
And, like anybody
else, I ran into
the hospital corridor
to see what was going on.
And I saw a woman
covered with blood
from the waist down
and she was staggering.
And obviously
I raced to help her,
and as I caught her...
She slumped to the ground...
I noticed she had
an 8-inch piece of
wire coat hanger
embedded in her uterus.
And that woman died.
And it so angered me
that we lived in a nation
that not only did
this poor woman not have
the right to an abortion,
but many of you viewers
have no idea
that she didn'even have the righto birth control.
In 1963, in most parts
of the united states,
birth control
was a crime.
And this was the
board that showed
various birth control
and abortion devices.
When abortions
were illegal,
a woman would take
a douching bag
and fill it with lysol
or bleach or turpentine.
Or, indeed, they
would use a catheter
and fill iwith salt water,
thinking that a hypertonic
solution might abort them.
And they didn't realize thaif they would squeeze
from the top of this syringe,
it would force air
into a major blood vessel
and the person would die
of an air embolism.
Or when they took the
douching bag and they
filled it with soap,
they didn't realize
that the body could absorb
the fat from the soap,
and that would be
a fat embolism.
But more often than not,
that people would
very often take a piece
of wire coat hanger,
wrap the end of iwith adhesive tape so
it wasn't so sharp,
and the idea was to gently
push it inside the uterus
and scratch the wall
of the uterus.
The goal was noto do the abortion,
as much of the
public thought.
That wasn't the goal
of poor people.
Their goal was
to induce bleeding.
And then if they bled,
they could rush to a hospital
and the hospital
would say, quote,
"to save the
patient's life...
She came in bleeding...
She had to have
the abortion done."
But here's the kicker.
A lot of poor people
didn't know the uterus
is the size of my fisand maybe half
an inch thick.
So if they pushed the
wire coat hanger too hard,
pushed it through
the wall of the uterus,
the woman would
hemorrhage to death.
Now, this is a rather
controversial picture,
but it's an
accurate picture.
It's a picture of
a woman who died,
found in a motel room,
who used a coat hanger
or primitive techniques
to, in effect,
what she thought,
was to have an abortion.
Blessed with child
just a girl
god has given me
another chance
at poverty
can't feed
the one I've got
she's feverish
and coughs a lot
god, take it back
please, god,
take it back
girl with a baby
under a tree
watch when the knife
cuts me
girl with a baby
under a tree
[ indistinct ]
how many babies are there
now that are unloved?
That are not taken care of?
And... And we do
have abortion righnow, you know.
And there are still...
I mean, who's going to take
care of those children?
All these people who
are so against abortion,
if they want to take
all those babies
and bring them up and...
And love them and...
You know, that would
be wonderful.
Absolutely.
I mean, in a
perfect world,
that would be
the most beautiful thing.
But, as it is,
it's not going to happen.
I mean, these fundamentalists
are the same people
a lot of times
who are bigots,
who would never have
a black child in their home.
Right.
You know, it's like,
"why aren't they
adopting all the kids
out of the orphanages?"
It's just terrible.
Well...
These pregnant women...
I mean, I see homeless
pregnant women on
the street, you know.
Go pick one up,
take her home,
take care of her.
Deliver the baby,
kick her out. Fine.
[ Laughter ]
Uh... What's his name?
Clinton?
Bill clinton?
Uh... He...
He says that she
should have sex
and that she should
have a condom.
Who are these responsible
people in our governmentelling this little child
that that's the way she
should go through life?
They're laying a horrible trip
on this little girl.
She's already born.
The unborn children
don't even stand a chance.
They k*ll them.
Where... Where
has the mentality...
They've been seduced
by satan into this mentality
of k*lling our children,
first of all,
then k*lling our old people,
and then telling young
sparkling here
of how she's supposed
to go through life choosing,
having a viable lifestyle.
In the 6th grade in
california they... They...
They have "lift up your
dress" week where...
And a young child
is supposed to choose
between h*m*
and... And heterosexuality
in the 6th grade.
What chance does
this little girl have?
We know thaone in ten of
our children
will become pregnanevery year.
One out of ten.
We know that more
than four out of ten
of our white women
will have a pregnancy
before the age of 20;
6.7 out of 10
of our black women
will have a pregnancy
before the age of 20.
And yet, we in america
have still not accepted
the fact that our children
are sexually active.
[ Laughter/applause ]
we bury our heads
in the sand.
It's not right.
That's what clinton
is doing to us in
our living rooms.
That's whahilary clinton,
with her...
Her dress up to her hips,
is coming in there
telling our little
children what they
must and must not do.
And... And who is
this new woman coming
in here, elders,
who tell... We've already
told our children
what to do in
the front seat of a car,
how to drive a car
in driver's ed,
and now we've got to
tell them how to do iin the back seat.
You wonder why we
christian fathers get angry?
You wonder why
we get upset?
Because you're talking
to little girls
like sparkling,
that's why.
We've got to make sure
that we keep abortions
safe and legal for women.
[ Applause ]
I was... I was
in medical school
and residency
during the time
when I saw many, many
septic abortions.
And it was one
of the most common
causes of death
in black women.
So we vowed to never,
never go back to that state.
[ Applause ]
fr. Westlin:
that's what's
happening right now.
It's a secular
humanist society.
We christians are
no longer the majority
in this country.
We're the
minority now.
President clinton
has to be impeached.
He has to be
taken out of this
governmental position
and put back some
place where he can'harm people anymore.
So he won't k*ll
any more of our babies.
And the catholic
church is the one
that he's after also.
He knows whahis biggest problem is.
It's the roman
catholic church.
And we're starting
catholic towns.
We've already
got one going in
north carolina,
and there's a man
name of mr. Fred wiesner
up here in denver
who's going to help
us start another catholic
town up here in colorado,
right in the middle
of governor...
Governor lamb's
sex jungle right up
here in the mountains,
in his sex...
Sex ranches.
We're coming righinto the middle of
satan's territory
up here in colorado
and we're going to...
We're going to form
a catholic town here
that's going to
raise our children
according to the
roman catholic doctrine.
We know thathese children
that are born into
these situations
are born to be members
of the 5-h club.
The 5-h club are
children that are
hungry every nighin the richest country
in the world.
We have 3 to 5 million
children that go
to bed hungry.
Too many of them
are health-less.
They receive
no health care.
When our country today
more than 40%...
In fact, only 44% of
the under-two-year-olds
are completely immunized.
So we say, "if we can'immunize our children,
what can we do?"
These are the children
that we love so dearly,
as long as they're
in somebody else's uterus.
[ Applause ]
there ought to be...
There isn't always...
There ought to be a
consistency of people
who are pro-life.
There was a man named
cardinal joseph bernardin
of chicago.
He's now dead.
He came up with a phrase
that I always liked.
It was called
the "seamless garment".
If you're pro-life,
he said,
you ought to be againscapital punishment,
you ought to be
against w*r,
you... Obviously
you ought to be
against stocking up
and manufacturing
weapons of w*r,
and you ought to be againsthe kind of politics
and the kind of
administration
that creates
and sustains and
increases poverty.
'Cause the people
who are poor,
their lives are
severely diminished.
I like that theory.
Not all pro-lifers
agree with that.
Well, I think the poinis that if...
If what we're talking abouis whether abortion
is legal or not,
is legally available,
then it's certainly
the poor women who are harmed
by the fact thaabortion is nolegally available.
Because the wealthy
women can generally
get an abortion
whether it's legally
available or not.
There will be someone
who is properly
medically qualified
who can do it.
And if not, of course,
they can travel.
It's a global world,
they can go somewhere else.
I'm saying I don't think
that the deaths of the fetuses
should be regarded
as comparable
to the deaths of
older human beings.
Um, but the greatragedy is the tens
of thousands of women
who die from
botched abortions
in countries where
abortion is... Is illegal.
For example,
it is reasonably well...
In fact,
very well established,
that as women have
more opportunities,
more education,
as better medical care
is available,
as more family planning
is available,
fertility rates go down,
abortion goes down...
Children are better
cared for and women
are healthier.
Those things are known.
And those are all
things that are...
That are easily under
social control and are...
Should not be
controversial.
I don't think there
should be anything
controversial
about making sure
that women can have access
to decent,
say, obstetric care.
That alone would save
hundreds of thousands
of lives every year.
If you want to do things
that'll help people,
there are very
easy ways to do it.
And it's not justrue of women, it's
also true of children.
Unicef also reports that,
if my memory is correct,
that about 15 million
children die
every year from...
Mostly from easily
treatable diseases.
Meaning, sometimes things
like, you know,
lack of drinkable
water and...
Or dehydration, you know,
and diarrhea.
Things that can
very easily be treated.
And could be treated
for, literally,
pennies a day from
the rich countries.
Well, okay, if we're
serious about saving lives,
saving children's
lives, there are
easy ways to do it.
On the other hand,
if you look athe same people
who are most militanabout saving the fetus,
are they calling for
increasing foreign aid?
Are they... Are they
concerned with the facthat the united states
has the mosmiserable and miserly
foreign aid program
of any developed country
by quite a large margin?
The country's got plenty
of wealth, you know,
the means are easily there,
they're just being used...
The social policy
is being designed
to enrich the wealthy
even further and
let the poor suffer.
Let the children die,
let them starve,
let the mothers die
and so on.
That's an
overwhelming problem.
Once people address...
Among people who are
willing to address
those problems...
People who are willing
to address those problems,
we can at leastake seriously when
they talk about values.
When you can take
people seriously when
they talk about values,
you can listen
to what they say
about other things
like abortion,
which is a hard question.
But, you know, I'm not...
I don't think we
should be interested
in discussing iwith people whose
values are such
that they don't care
about the massive problem
of k*lling and harming
women and children
that they could
easily deal with
and are doing
nothing about.
In fact, making it worse.
Not doing nothing about it;
making it worse.
Crowd:
[ cheering ]
secondly, we've goto work on thacongress, my friends.
Now they owe us,
those republicans do.
We all work for them,
or a lot of us did,
or the pro-life
congressman, in 1994.
And that's why we gothis congress.
So we got to tell them,
"it's payback time, fellas.
Not one dime for
planned parenthood,
not one dime for unfpa,
not one dime for
fetal tissue research."
[ Cheering ]
This land is your land
this land is my land
from california
to the new york island
from the
redwood forest
to the gulf stream
waters
this land was made
for you and me
mine eyes have seen
the glory
of the coming
of the lord
he has trampled...
Terry: [ on radio ]
welcome back, ladies
and gentlemen,
to the worsnightmare of the
child-k*lling movement.
Randall terry live,
in the flesh.
In the news,
a group of "elitists"
in the evangelical
lutheran church
met to draft a statemenin which they supported
not only h*m*,
but they said, get this,
that h*m*
marriages could be
supported biblically!
I'm not kidding.
I'm not making this up.
And they said thateenagers having condoms
distributed to them
was a, quote,
"moral imperative".
I'm not making this up.
In jackson, mississippi,
a principal is fired
for allowing
a student to pray.
[ Gasp ]
the horrifying crime.
What the kids should
have done is jushanded out condoms,
then the principal
would be a hero.
Well, firearms can
come into the school,
principal won't get fired.
Planned parenthood
could come into the school
and tell kids
how to use condoms,
they're not going
to get fired.
In fact, some pervercan come in
and demonstrate
condom usage on a
banana or on a finger
and make boys pull condoms
over the fingers of girls
and that principal's
not going to get the axe.
But when a man stands up
and says to the kids,
"go ahead. Do you
want to open the
day in prayer?"
Boom! He's fired.
That, once again,
friends, shows whahappens to a nation
when that nation turns
its back on god's law.
We'll keep you
posted on that.
You have been listening
to randall terry live.
My views are my own,
unless they come
from the bible,
then they're god's
and they're flawless
and perfect,
and we won't retraca single word of them.
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Because intolerance
is a beautiful thing.
Always remember that.
My good friends,
the phone number
for the u.s. Taxpayers
alliance,
which is the close
cousin of the u.s.
Taxpayers party,
is 1-800-2-veto-irs.
1-800-2-Veto-irs.
The u.s. Taxpayers
alliance,
men and women who
are dedicated to
ending the welfare,
socialist, messianic
state of america.
Randall terry,
matt truello,
and some other activists
in the movemenhave related recently
to the american
taxpayers party,
which is shot through
with militia personnel
and militia sentiment.
And, in fact, he spoke
at the last election time
to the convention
and told the convention
that he had already
started teaching
his infant child
where his trigger
finger was.
That children oughto be trained
in the use of...
Of weapons and arms
and such.
And there are indications
that back in the 1980s,
that militias
were doing some training
of anti-abortion
personnel with...
In the use of
heavy weapons and also
the use of expl*sives,
and the building
of bombs and such.
When the anti-abortionists
talk about life
or talk about babies,
you know, that's not really it,
they're just using thato try to whip up emotion.
Because this question
of woman...
They have said outrighat some of their meetings,
that control of women
is what it's about.
Randall terry
once talked about...
At a rally thathey were having,
about how men are
under the submission...
Should submit to god
and women should
submit to men.
The taxpayers party
platform, while
being 100% pro-life,
is not strictly limited
to the pro-life arena.
The tax party calls
for the end of the irs
and the federal
income tax,
the end of health
and human services,
the end of the
welfare state, the
end of land taxes.
It calls for a return
to constitutional money:
gold and silver.
It calls to a return for
a constitutional mean...
Means of the
federal governmenraising its revenue
through tariffs,
not through directaxation upon the people.
It calls for the...
The complete freedom
of individual citizens
in this country
to keep and bear arms.
Let those who reject truth,
let the god-haters,
let the child-K*llers
see and fear.
Because our commitmenis not justo keep fighting
in this battle,
but to raise up a new
generation of men and women,
especially men,
courageous, god-fearing men,
who will bring the nations
back to moral sanity,
to the laws of justice
and mercy as they are
outlined by god.
Jesus
mighty god
our rock, our fortress,
our defense
your conquering arm
will be our strength
o god of power
and righteousness
every foe will
tremble at your name
every foe will
tremble at your name
every foe will
tremble at your name
and the religious
fundamentalists are concerned,
not just with abortion,
but also with pornography,
with any issue related
to the family.
With alcohol, a... A
lot of personal sins,
what they regard
as personal sins,
and abortion is
just an easy handle
to get at right now.
It really arose
as an issue
after the equal rights
amendment was k*lled.
And there were
organizations dedicated
to k*lling it,
and after it died,
they had to find
another cause.
And so they wento abortion,
which is very easy
because the clinics
are very handy,
they're... They're
convenient to get ageographically.
[ Mixed shouts ]
we're out here
to make sure that women
have access to the clinic.
It is their legal right.
And in this country,
if something is legal
you ought to be able
to take advantage of it.
You shouldn't have
to fight your way
through
foaming-at-the-mouth zealots,
cultists, if you will,
to have access to safe
and legal medical services.
[ Yelling ]
[ screaming ]
christian terrorism,
it's on the rise in america.
It's up to you to stop it.
Help save america
from christian t*rrorists.
Christian fundamentalism
really goes back
to the '20s and
the '30s as a revolagainst liberal
trends in mainline
protestant denominations.
Since then it's evolved,
and to mean rather
different things
than it meant then.
Basically referring
principally
to an idea of biblical
literalism.
And that is thathe idea that the
bible is literally true
and most importantly
that certain peoples'
interpretations
is the true
interpretation.
No, wait a minute!
Wait a minute!
She's got to give
them instructions, on...
On where to go.
We've got to be
ready to do
another door defense
at another clinic.
Get out of the car
with your video cameras
and your rounds.
All right.
Good, let's go.
Man:
it's almost like...
It's like w*r, isn't it?
It is.
No, it is.
It is w*r.
It just depends upon
where your viewpoint is.
But it's a free country.
Until you sh**t dr. Gunn,
and then it's noa free country.
Clarkson:
one variant in religious
fundamentalism
is a politically-
oriented theology
called christian
reconstructionism.
The first major and seminal
text of reconstructionism
was called "the institutes
of biblical law".
And it was published
in 1973 by a man
named r.j. Rushdoony.
"The institutes
of biblical law"
is a discussion of
the ten commandments.
It's intended to be
a legal blueprinfor what an ideal biblical
society would look like.
There are a long lisof capital offenses,
some of which
are sexual in nature.
There is adultery
and h*m*,
as well as abortion,
are all considered
capital offenses.
Others have to do
with religion.
So that blasphemy
and heresy, apostasy,
which means
abandonment of the faith,
propagation of
false doctrines,
these are all
capital offenses too.
So, basically,
anyone who's a
religious dissident,
or if you're not a member
of the correct sect,
is liable to be subjecto capital punishment.
Within that,
there's witchcrafand astrology.
But it would also mean...
And heresy would mean
that if you're nothe correct kind
of christian
reconstructionist,
if you're, say,
a baptist,
or certainly,
heaven forbid,
if you're a mormon
or a jew,
you would be put to death
under rushdoony's
"institutes of biblical law".
These people are noour elected officials!
These people are noour legislature!
Why are you letting
them dictate
who goes into a
doctor's office?
There is only one body
that is why I sing
clarkson:
this kind of thinking,
that is, the idea thathere's only the christians
and then there's
everyone else,
is an importanideological piece
of what the christian
right is about.
What they want is
to be able to k*ll
children by day
and then come home
to this beautiful estate
and be just a
respectable part of
this neighborhood.
But they're just nogoing to be able to
do that any longer.
We're going to letheir neighbors know
what they do for a living
and we're going to really
show the neighborhood
the blood on their hands.
Because they...
They really shouldn't be
a respectable
part of society.
They're... They k*ll
children for a living.
And that should
come with a stigma.
We want to re-attach
the stigma
to the k*lling of children
in this country.
Clarkson:
the reconstructionists
are a very quiet movement.
They know that they
are revolutionaries,
they know thathe constitution of
the united states
stands as a... An
obstacle to their
political goals,
which is christian
theocracy
because it contains
the seeds of...
And the roots of
religious freedom.
Christian reconstructionists
don't believe
in religious freedoms
and it's...
It is necessary,
in their view,
to destabilize
constitutional democracy
to the point where a
political alternative,
biblical christianity,
as they understand it,
can actually be
implemented.
They don't necessarily
expect to see iin their lifetime,
but they're prepared
to do organizing
for the long haul
because that's the
core of what their
religious faith is about.
They understand thathey're acting as martyrs
and as guerrilla warriors
in a part of a long-term
theocratic struggle.
In fact, comparison
with iran
is not outlandish,
by any means.
The... There
has always been,
for whatever reason,
a high level of
religious extremism
in the united states,
and religious passion
and fundamentalist belief
and intolerance and so on,
on religious issues.
And now it is unusual.
There are several
active violenrevolutionary movements
in the united states,
and they're converging.
Many of them are
stockpiling weapons,
others are going out and
committing assassinations
and bombings to accomplish
their strategic objectives.
And they understand
that they are in
the early stages
of a hoped-for civil w*r.
I parked up
the hill behind me,
about near
the telephone pole,
and turned around
in my truck
and was reaching for
my backpack to get iand get out of
the truck when the
b*mb exploded and...
Over at the clinic.
And the cloud, a
black cloud, came flying
across the street.
I came outside
the building
and saw the two bodies
of two victims.
The nurse was down
on the ground.
There was a lot of blood.
I remember the...
One of the men
that was with the nurse.
She was...
He was screaming
for a tube.
He said, "does
anybody have a tube?"
To help him keep the
nurse alive, I guess.
Well, pretty much the
only thing I can tell
you about that day
is that I got up
and I went to work.
And two weeks later,
I woke up.
Yeah, there's a few
missing body parts
here and there.
My eye is gone,
left eye is gone.
My right leg will
never walk the same,
but I'll get around.
Nothing's happened
to my mind or my voice.
Reporter:
31-year-old
eric robert rudolph
is the suspecin the bombing
of an abortion clinic
in atlanta one month ago.
He is also suspected
of the atlanta
olympics bombing
in july, 1996.
The fbi also link him
to the bombings
of two abortion
clinics in 1997
and the bombing of
a gay nightclub jusone month later.
I've always felt that...
That this could happen.
And this has a loto do with, you know,
kind of strange
theology, but...
But it is
religiously-based,
with people making
assumptions that...
That they have god
on their side
and that god has
directed them to...
To do this
kind of work.
Reporter:
the manhunt for rudolph
has taken federal agents
all over the eastern u.s.,
From birmingham
to southwest florida
where his mother lives,
to north carolina and
even to washington, d.c.,
Where witnesses
think they saw rudolph
a few days before the
bombing at anti-abortion
demonstrations.
Rudolph comes out of the
christian identity movement,
which is the
religious underpinning
of the neo-n*zi and
white supremacist movemenin the united states.
Richard butler, the head of
the aryan nations in idaho,
for example, is a
christian identity minister.
And... As are
many other leaders
of the white
supremacist movement.
Eric rudolph and his
family were followers
of a series of
christian identity preachers.
Eric rudolph is the
person who is accused
of doing this
and I believe in
innocent until
proven guilty,
so he is a suspect,
meaning that there
is good evidence
to suspecthat he did it.
But, during
all of this,
eric rudolph's
brother tried
to make some kind
of statement.
He went out to his,
I guess, his tool
shed or garage,
and set up a video
camera; said,
"this is for the
fbi and the media."
He took a radial
arm saw and cuhis own hand off,
cut his lefhand off.
He had a
tourniquet wrapped
around his arm,
he drove himself
to the hospital
with justhe tourniquearound his arm,
leaving the hand
back at his house.
The paramedics
later went back,
retrieved his hand
and it was reattached.
Of course, no telling
how well it will work.
And you jusgo, "why?"
Apparently,
there are people
who think thasome kind of
act of v*olence
is going to
solve something.
Bombing the clinic
did not stop it.
Bombing another clinic
will not stop them.
Cutting your hand off
certainly didn'change anything
other than he losthe use of his hand.
So, that type
of mentality
I don't even know
how to relate to.
How do you understand
someone who,
for no obvious
reason,
just decides
to dismember
themselves?
How do you...
How do you talk to
someone like that?
How do you understand
what they're thinking?
I... I don't know.
Here's a man who is
a guerrilla warrior,
who comes into a situation
and att*cks what he views
as strategic targets.
In the case of abortion
clinics and the gay bar,
you have symbols of women's
reproductive rights
and women's equality
and taking control
of their own destiny.
In the case of the gay bar,
a social institution
that's supportive
of something tharudolph's religion
would consider an
abomination before god.
And in the case of
the olympics, the...
The classic case of
race mixing and an...
An institution of
what they consider to be
the new world order
and the internationalism
that it represents.
So to undermine the olympics
is a strategic goal
of white supremacismovements.
Without ever
identifying themselves,
we keep finding them
every place you look,
whether it's the governor
of our state who...
Who holds to
that kind of theology
but who could never pua label to it, I'm sure,
or whether you're
talking about people
who are running
for office,
or you're talking abouchristian coalition,
promise keepers
or whatever.
But the impetus
behind everything
from covenant marriages
to restrictions
on abortion
have to do with trying
to bring the united states
in line with a
particular kind of a...
A particular seof assumptions
about what the
hebrew testament says
about how lives
should be lived.
There's nothing that...
That would lead me
to believe
that over the last ten years
this has declined.
I mean, it slowly
has increased in...
In many different ways.
Not only in
terms of volume.
They can b*mb all
the clinics they want to,
they can k*ll all
the people they want to,
but women are still
going to get abortions.
And... And if...
And if the...
The clinics don't...
Don't stay open,
then they're going
to be getting them
in some other...
Some other way.
So it was...
You can't let them win
by shutting down.
You just have
to keep going.
Once you have opened
your heart,
once you have admitted
christ into your heart,
then the principle of
the law dwells within you.
And you are
no longer subjecto that external
shackle of the law
because the law flowers
and blooms within you.
And it shapes your
judgment and imoves your limbs.
And you no longer
have to be bound by
external shackles
because you are bound
to the will of god
by the love of god
through the truth of
christ's salvation.
That's the understanding
of freedom
that is at the rooof our christian faith.
But don't you see?
That notion of freedom as
an in-dwelling principle
which then leads to the
consequence that because...
Because your respecfor the law dwells within,
you can live in a society
in which you are
a law unto yourself.
Well, thank you
for coming.
This is the
mary westlin home.
This is my wife, mary lou,
up over here in the...
In the portrait.
She is the one tharuns everything here.
She's in heaven now.
The lord took her
in 1980 and
we've asked jesus
to give her
special authority
to run this place.
And since thatime, we've had 180
mothers live here
and 83 babies born
directly through the home.
The rest of us
are lambs of chrisand there's 500 or 600
of us around the country.
And whenever they can,
they can get a break
from their families,
they come down and they
join us and we go on in
and we put our bodies
between the baby-k*ller
and the baby in fronof the k*lling center.
We don't really rescue,
we gather as lambs.
Normally, the protespeople that we run into
are four categories
of people.
The satan worshippers,
and they actively
worship satan
and they take the baby
out of the womb
by the hind leg
and they'll hang
it up in front...
Hang... Hang the baby
up in front of us
pro-lifers who are there,
and then they'll
barbecue this baby
right in front of us
on a barbecue pit.
It's macabre,
it's satanic.
The others there
are h*m*
and those who are paid
by the baby-k*ller
to be around him.
And those people...
Who are pro-death.
Those are the categories
of people in fronof the death center.
I ask you and I invite you
and I challenge you
to go in and study
those people
who are at those
k*lling centers
on the other side.
Study them.
Find out who they are.
Don't believe us.
Go in and find oufor yourself.
It's a... It's a
macabre, depressing
satanic atmosphere
where they've been
seduced by satan.
They're probably
very beautiful people.
And we pray for the
baby-k*ller every day.
We want him in heaven.
But we want him
there soon.
So we pray for
his happy death.
Woman:
scott, he's the
father of the baby,
but we're...
We're very good friends.
We had been more
than friends at one time,
but not anymore.
We broke up about,
oh, close to two months ago.
And the relation...
The relationship
was just not working ouand we broke it off,
and I moved away
for a while and
decided to move back
and not run away from him
and my feelings.
And I came back and he came
visiting once in a while
and we ended up
having unprotected sex.
And here I am.
Many people,
um, are surprised
when we bring forward
the notion
or bring forward
the reality
that the roman
catholic church has
never had a position
on when the fetus
becomes a person.
Ultimately, the reality
is none of us know.
The church doesn't know.
The courts don't know.
Doctors don't know.
No one knows.
And the question
in the 20th century,
both in a religious
contexand I would say
in a secular context,
is what do we do
in situations?
What is the moral
and ethical thing
to do as a society
in situations where
there are facts
that we do not know?
The abortion area is a
flashpoint, I think, for...
For ethics for
the human condition.
It's... It involves
the most natural
thing in the world,
pregnancy,
and yet it also involves
the most mind-bending
set of facts,
ordinarily, one
human being living
inside another.
From the standpoinof pro-life individuals,
human life begins
at conception.
One cannot be
morally compliciin the taking
of another life,
especially the taking
of an innocent life,
and that that moral belief
for people of faith
is backed up
by geneticists.
And I don't think there's
a geneticist in the world
who would deny the
completeness of human life,
in terms of all of
its physical ingredients,
again, in the firsfertilized cell.
And the other side,
quite frankly, doesn'really deny...
Can't deny the existence,
the physical reality
of the separate
human life.
What they deny is...
Its cultural significance
and its meaning
with respect to the
woman who's carrying
the pregnant...
Carrying the child.
And, again, it becomes
this clash of absolutes
between, on the
one hand, this claim
of absolute autonomy
and a claim thahuman life absolutely
must be protected.
The claim of absolute
autonomy is very
self-directed.
The claim of
human life being
absolutely protected
is one that has
great historical lineage.
It is, after all,
a vindication of
a self-evident truth
that right is...
That life is an
inalienable right.
How to get these people
to talk to each other?
Ultimately,
of course, the...
The whole decision
is based on questions
about what you think
makes k*lling wrong.
And I think that's
one reason why...
The philosophical
discussion with the...
With the general public
has not got very far,
because people
haven't really
confronted that issue.
They've tried to
say, "well, the fetus
is a human being,"
or, "the fetus is noa human being,"
just accepting
the premise that...
That, you know,
k*lling innocent human
beings is always wrong.
I think if they'd
gone a little bifurther and said,
"well, you know,
yes, I mean, in one sense
the fetus obviously
is a human being.
It's a member of the
species h*m* sapiens
and it's alive."
But what are
the characteristics
that make iparticularly wrong
to k*ll a human being?
Why do we think thakilling a human being
is normally wrong?
And I think if you starasking those questions,
you get to see
that it's not jusbeing a member
of the species
h*m* sapiens thamakes k*lling wrong.
It's, rather,
the fact that, you know,
us, you and me, and
anyone else listening here,
is a being that is...
Has got certain
capacities.
Can think, can wanto go on living,
you know, can... Is...
Is aware of the facthat he or she is living
and wants to go on living.
And all of those
things contribute
to why we think thafor someone, say,
just randomly to shoopeople in the streeis a terrible thing.
But none of that applies
to the fetus.
The fetus is...
Well, when mosabortions are performed
the fetus is noeven conscious
and it's certainly never
a being who can think,
"I want to go on living."
If it doesn'matter to a being
what's done to it,
then it's hard to see
that it has
exactly the same moral
standing as you or I do.
Gametes also are human
in that sense,
sperm and ova,
and yet we don't think
that they have the
same moral status
as you and I do.
Every time a man
and a woman refrain
from having sex
that means a
potential sperm dies
and a potential egg dies.
We're not going to,
however, require couples
to have sex aevery possible moment.
There are some
religious traditions
that do require that.
The extremely
orthodox jew
says you must multiply
and have as many children
as you possibly can.
And every missed
opportunity to have sex
during a period of time
when the woman is fertile
is, in effect, a
violation of the order
to multiply and
be fruitful.
I don't think most people
take that argumenvery seriously today
in our society.
And once one begins
to draw lines,
the line between
refusing to have sex,
having sex with a condom,
taking the pill the morning
after you've had sex,
taking the pill
three weeks later,
having an abortion
a month later,
begins to be a very,
very difficult poinat which to draw absolute
black and white lines.
I think one way to...
At least that I find
helpful to think about this,
is to try to,
again, move away
from a very stricrights language,
which often leads
to a "right or wrong",
"yes or no" approach
to these issues.
And instead to
try to make sense
of the interests, the...
The needs, the...
The context of...
Of the pregnant woman
and of the fetus.
Pro-lifers think
that abortion is wrong
because it's
intrinsically wrong to
destroy a human life.
And dworkin thinks thapeople who are pro-choice
also think that it's
intrinsically wrong
to destroy human life.
But they think that it's
important to allow women
to make this choice
for themselves
because there...
It's important...
Her human life also
has intrinsic value.
And to be forced to
carry a pregnancy to term
when she doesn't want to
or isn't yet ready
to become a mother is
also a... A way of...
Of not respecting
the intrinsic value
of human life.
Woman: [ on speaker ]
can I help you? Do you
have an appointment?
Yes, I do.
[ Lock clicks ]
hi.
Hi.
And your name?
Stacey saunder.
Hi, stacey.
Just a few forms
here for you.
The first two are
informational forms
and then a couple
of forms you'll need
to fill out for us,
and then you
can bring them
right up to me
as soon as you're
finished, okay?
Okay.
Alrighty.
Thanks.
Thanks.
There's the
cups behind the
curtain here.
Just a small amount.
You can bring iback to the lab
and then I need
to get a small
blood sample.
Okay.
Everyone in the debate
is opposed to
outright infanticide.
That is, taking
a live child and
deciding to k*ll them
because it's
too much trouble to
take care of them.
Everyone agrees on that.
Everyone agrees,
I suppose,
that women are allowed
to wash their hands,
although, I suppose...
I guess you could
make a case,
if you went over to
the biology department,
that when a woman
washes her hands,
lots of cells flake off
and some future technology
might be able to
use the information
in those cells
to construct a
potential child.
So somewhere between,
say, washing your hands
and k*lling
your three-year-old,
somewhere between
that there are
decision to be...
There are decisions
to be made
about how we're going to
balance what we call life,
which, in fact,
is there in the
cells on your hand,
how we're going to balance
what we call life
against lots of
other problems.
And those decisions
are not simple.
People who say,
"well, I know it's athis number of days,"
they can't be
taken seriously.
We're talking
about ambiguous issues
of a complicated kind
where you have to balance
conflicting interests
and concerns,
as is generally the case
in human life.
You're not going
to get the answers
from holy texts.
You're not going
to get the answers
from biologists.
These are matters
of human concern
that have to be discussed
seriously, reasonably,
with attention
to the array of values,
differing values, often,
that people have
and different decisions
they may come to
under similar
circumstances.
You are prophetic people
and I just wanto affirm you tonight.
And I wanto affirm you to say
you are the prophetic
people of god.
God's word is supreme.
His word is the standard.
[ Applause ]
psalm 119:89. God's
word is established forever.
Congregants:
yes!
My focus is on his
word. Not polls,
not opinion polls,
not focus groups,
but his word!
Various:
yes!
His unchanging word.
My vision must be
locked on his word
like michael johnson's
eyes were locked on
the finish line.
I am moved not by whaculture says about me,
not what the media
says about me,
not even what the church
says about me,
but what the word of god
has to say about me.
I am fixed on the word!
[ Applause ]
for those who say,
"god told me
that you can'have an abortion,"
I ignore that.
I mean, that kind of
fundamentalist approach
to god telling you
what the answer to
every problem is,
I don't think,
in a secular society,
deserves to be
given much weight.
Religion also gives
you a set of values
with which to analyze
a problem intelligently.
And I think thamany of the values we
have in our society,
values favoring life,
values favoring choice,
originally come
from religion.
Much of all morality
is religiously-based.
But religion is so broad
that it can provide
any answer you want.
The bible,
like any complex
historical text,
presents a god
who can be called upon
to justify mass genocide
and who can be called upon
to justify mercy
to widows and orphans.
Same god. Depends
what you want to...
What parts of the texyou want to interpret.
The conception of god
is obviously relevanfor those
who believe in god.
And for many of them,
their views will
flow from that.
But it doesn'determine their views
because, of course,
you can have
fundamentalist christians
who will believe that...
Believe in god and think
that, for that reason,
abortion is wrong,
embryo experimentation
is wrong,
euthanasia is wrong
and so on.
And you can have other,
more liberal christians,
who will believe in god,
but who will think
that all of those things
can be justified.
So... The question of god
doesn't determine the
answers to these issues.
In the end, human
beings have to decide.
In the end, each
of us has to decide,
using whatever resources
we have available to us:
religion, our mind,
our sense of what is righand wrong in society,
this is a choice thacannot be made by others.
Stacey, I'm stephanie,
and we're going
to do your medical
history now, okay?
Okay. And this is jusquestion and
answer. Alrighty?
So when is your
birth date?
7/7/68.
7/7/68.
And how old does
that make you?
28? Okay.
And what's
your occupation?
I'm a nursing
assistant.
Okay.
And how many total
times have you been
pregnant, altogether?
Um... Five.
Okay. Five.
And any living
children?
One.
One living child.
And was that child
born premature?
No.
No.
Born full term?
Yeah.
Okay. Good.
Are you currently
or have you been
in treatmenfor either depression
or psychiatric problems?
I've been on
medication in
the past for it.
Okay. Are you on
medication now?
No.
Okay.
What years were
you on med...
And, actually,
what were you on
medication for,
psychiatric problems
or depression?
Depression.
Okay.
When was that?
How long ago?
This year.
This year. Okay.
Alrighty.
Now going
back to the...
To the surgery
that you had for
physical abuse,
that broke your
jaw, in 1992...
How... How did
that happen?
Um... One quick punch.
And this was
from... Who
punched you?
An ex-boyfriend.
The father of my...
The baby thai delivered.
Okay. And when
that happened,
did you know...
Did it knock
you out? Did
you know you...
Your jaw
was broken?
No. I had no idea.
What happened?
We were living
in the cities here
and I had no
family around,
and I didn't know
it was broke
and he wouldn't let me
go to the doctor.
It was just kind of swollen
and I just let it go.
And then... Then
in '88 he was k*lled
in a motorcycle
accident and I moved
back to my family.
And my mom wanted me
to see a physician
'cause it was so crooked.
Mm-hmm.
So I did that.
And he re-broke it and...
The surgeon?
Yeah.
Re-broke it?
And put everything
back together.
Okay.
And how was ifor you that...
That the trauma of
the abuse happened
and then...
Were you in touch
with this man
when he was...
You know, before
he was k*lled?
I was actually going to
go back to him the...
The day before he was...
Or the day...
The morning
he was k*lled,
I was supposed to take
a bus that evening
to be back by
monday morning and...
Then he had been k*lled
that morning.
Wow.
So...
That's pretty
traumatic.
Yeah. It wasn'a good thing.
How are you
with... That's...
That's so much
to go through.
How are you
with it now?
What is this, three,
four years later?
I'm dealing with it.
I still go to
counseling once in
awhile when I feel...
Good.
Feel the need.
Good. Okay,
well, if...
If we can help you
in any way with
that, let us know.
Okay.
Okay?
'Cause we're always
here to talk to you
about it. Alrighty?
And you may or may
not want to answer
this question.
Was... Was the
abuse and the...
And the death
of this man,
did that have
anything to do
with the decision
to have the
baby adopted?
Yes.
Okay.
Very much so.
He was not a...
A fit father
for no child,
by any means.
Okay. I hear whayou're saying.
Is there anything
else that...
Could I get a tissue?
Sure.
Is there anything
else that...
That you feel
like is really,
really importanthat you
would like...
Any words that you
might want to...
'Cause that's an
awful lot to have
gone through.
Don't stick around
after they hit you once.
Yeah. Yeah.
I would say "hear,
hear" to that too.
Okay.
Sometimes stuff
like that can
be difficulwhen you're here
for this procedure.
So let us
know and...
And we will
certainly, you
know, be supportive
and help you in
any way that we can.
Okay.
Okay?
Thank you.
We had these wonderful
testimonials here today
that we held hearings
on the second victim
in an abortion,
which is the woman.
Often and again
and again and again,
almost always,
abandoned, deserted,
denigrated, called names,
pressured, driven
into these clinics,
and as a consequence
there's not only
physical damage,
but there's enormous
emotional and
psychological scarring.
They come out with
terrible depressions,
suicidal tendencies.
Let's hold hearings.
If we show whathe oil industry does
up there in
prince william sound,
let's show whathe abortion industry
is doing to
the women of america.
[ Applause ]
most people
in the democratic party
don't feel that republicans
want it to end.
They feel it's their...
Like social security
is for democrats,
abortion is for republicans.
It's the type of legislation
that helps them eleccandidates.
Why would they want ito go away?
You know, and thacreates a situation.
Democrats fight vigorously
for social security
'cause it's their hammer
in the elections.
Republicans...
If you're a republican,
it's just accepted
that you run for office
based on the facthat you're pro-life.
And if it goes away,
what have they gofor their old reliable?
So this is a
picture of what your
cervix looks like.
And you've given birth
before, right?
Mm-hmm.
So that means
just that your cervix
has a little sliinstead a round
hole there.
But this is just the
bottom ring of muscle
of your uterus, okay?
And whawe need to do then,
there's three steps
to the abortion procedure
and the whole thing will
take about five minutes, okay?
The first step is
that you get a
little novocain
on your cervix to numb it.
Just like when you
get novocain
in your gums
at the dentist.
You've done that before?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Nobody likes that either.
It usually takes aboua minute and a half
to go numb completely,
and what you might feel
is a pinch or a prick
and some stinging
from the novocain.
But people usually say
it goes away pretty quick.
Okay.
Okay?
And so we take
this thing...
This is called
a cannula.
And this is abouan eight-week cannula.
So the one
we may be using for you
might be a little
bit smaller.
And this is attached
to a long flexible tube
which is attached
to the suction
machine.
And this just goes
inside that cervix,
inside your uterus
and then it just...
The machine turns on...
It makes a humming noise,
so you'll hear it.
And this just gets
moved along the wall
of your uterus
and takes all thamenstrual tissue
that is built up
'cause you haven't had
your period in like,
two months, right?
And, also, the pregnancy
comes with that.
Now, the size your pregnancy
is, it's real small,
so it'll just kind
of come along with
everything else, okay?
Stacey, a couple
of questions
just about your
decision today,
if that's okay?
Are you feeling
definite of your
decision to have
an abortion?
Oh, definitely.
Okay.
And can you tell me
just a little biabout kind of
what into your
decision-making,
how you made
your decision?
Um... Just not a good
time in my life...
Emotionally,
financially, you know.
I just moved into
to an apartmenand I've never lived
on my own in 28 years,
you know, so...
Wow.
It's...
It's quite a change
for me. So...
It's exciting.
Yeah, it's
exciting.
And then scary and,
you know, if I don't...
I don't know if
I can handle it yet,
I surely don't wanto bring a baby
into this world
not knowing, you know.
You're always scared of
the uncertain, I guess.
Okay. And do you
have someone here
with you today?
Yeah.
Okay.
And that's a
support person for you,
someone who supports
your decision?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Sometimes it's good
to have somebody
to give you a
little tlc after.
It can be an emotionally
stressful day.
Yeah.
And physically too.
So just make sure he
treats you well and...
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I know he will.
Have you ever had
any conflicts with
abortion at all?
Have you ever been
anti-abortion at all?
No.
Okay.
And I just asked thato see if there...
You need any
special attention,
as far as, you know,
having emotional
needs.
Oh.
Do you expect to
regret your decision
at all or...
No.
Okay.
Just... Unless i...
I would guess everybody
kind of goes,
you know,
back and forth.
But, no. A regret, no.
Okay. One of
the things
that I sometimes
say to people
is that I feel
like a miscarriage
is what happens
when your body's
not ready to be pregnanand an abortion is
what happens when your...
The rest of you
isn't ready.
Exactly.
And sometimes thahelps people with
the decision-making.
Yeah.
And the other thing
is that nobody
can decide today
what's right for you.
You're the only one
who knows what's
right for stacey,
'cause you're
the only one who knows
what stacey's going
through and whastacey's life is like.
So I hope thayou remember that.
Oh, yeah.
You feel like
you're making
the decision
that's in your besinterest today?
Oh, definitely.
Okay.
Reporter:
in amherst, new york,
dr. Barnett slepian,
well-known to anti-
abortion protestors,
was shot dead by a sn*per
while at home
with his wife and
four children last night.
The k*lling comes
just days after police
had warned clinic workers
in upstate new york
about a pattern of...
Reporter:
it was an execution-
style k*lling.
One b*llet fired from
a high-powered r*fle
smashed through
the kitchen window
of dr. Barnett slepian's
home...
Reporter:
the authorities
are looking for
a white car with
canadian license plates
that may have been
involved in the k*lling.
Dr. Slepian was a provider
of services for women.
G.y.n.,
Obstetrician services.
One of the services
he provided was
abortion, among many.
And, because of that,
he was assassinated,
he was ex*cuted
in his home by a...
If it was one individual,
it was certainly a member
of an organization
that calls themselves
pro-life, pro-family
and pro-child.
Yet they k*ll the man
in front of his children
and they ripped apara family by v*olence.
I find that the
ultimate hypocrisy.
Woman:
it is importanthat the right to choose
is never turned back.
Because the painful memories
that women carry,
the scars that they have
to heal themselves from
are scars that men
will never have to bear.
Those assassins
who stand in the shadows
and claim thathey believe in freedom
and human rights and life,
they have no idea of
the trials and tribulations
that women go through
when they are pregnant.
Because if they did,
they would want us to keep
the right to choose.
If they did, they would do
something different.
Crowd:
[ applause ]
they would beat down
the doors of the orphanages
and they would go
in there and literally
take every child home
with them.
If they really
and truthfully cared,
instead of standing
outside abortion clinics
and intimidating women,
they would be taking
those women in their arms
and saying,
"come home with me
and let me give you shelter
and time to think."
Because those are the
choices that women need.
Thank you.
It's easy to...
To sit back
in your
comfortable chair
at home and say,
"well, you know, this
person shouldn't have
been doing that,
so, yeah, she gowhat she deserved."
And, "he's okay
for doing thabecause he was
just doing it...
k*lling for god."
Well, I don'believe god
put it anywhere
to go out and
k*ll for him.
That's whamakes me angry...
Angriest the most,
is the letters
we've gotten from
people telling me
to burn in the
lake of fire.
And if they'd known
what I'd already
been through
for the pasfew weeks,
they'd already know
I'd already been in
that lake of fire.
I'm not abouto go back.
I'm not.
My number was
not up that day.
I'm not ready to...
To burn again.
And I'm noready for anybody
else to...
To burn me again.
I think it's a fight.
And it's not jusabout abortion.
I think it's...
The issue is of choice.
And... As I said earlier,
the freedom of that choice.
And... And whatever
you decide to do,
it's your choice,
it's legal.
That... People
shouldn't...
Shouldn't be able
to take that from you.
So you need to fighto keep your ability
to have that choice.
And...
And information...
Informing people.
It may not change
anybody's mind about the...
The issue at hand,
but at least you feel
like you've gone ouand done something to...
To try and
persuade somebody.
To enlighten them,
broaden their horizons,
instead of having such
a... A closed mind.
Before we begin,
I'm going to
listen to your
heart and lungs.
And that's
just routine.
Your chart is
in order, but I
just confirm that.
I'm going to
put this aapproximately
your second
rib there.
And just breathe
quietly.
Very good.
And I'm going
to listen to
your lungs.
Take a deep breath
please, stacey,
and then exhale.
Excellent.
Yeah, you're
pretty healthy.
Nurse:
and then blow,
blow, blow,
hard, hard.
Oh... Oh...
Okay, good.
Oh, god.
Squeeze here.
You're going
to feel those
cramps, remember,
that's your uterus
shrinking back down.
Good. Okay, do
the breathing.
Blow, blow,
blow. Okay?
Hold it. Hold it.
Hold it. Hold it.
Hold it. Hold it.
And then blow, blow,
blow, blow, blow.
Stacey:
[ moaning ]
nurse:
hold it. Hold it.
Hold it. Hold it.
Blow, blow, blow.
Blow it out.
Blow it out.
[ Moaning ]
good.
Okay, we're
almost there.
You're mostly
done. Okay?
Doctor:
stacey,
it's done.
No complications.
Okay.
An average amounof bleeding.
Nurse:
did I squeeze your
hand too hard?
Stacey:
no, I was wondering
about you.
Nurse:
no, no, no,
that's what my
hand is for.
...it will protecyou from disease.
Ow...
This is the speculum
coming out. How's
that, better?
Much.
Okay.
Kissling:
as part of
running a clinic
and being the director
of a clinic,
I participated
in... Went into
the procedure room,
into the operating room
with many women.
Held many, many hands.
Felt the tension thaeach woman was experiencing
pass from her body
into my body.
Saw the anguish
that many women felt.
I... I never...
You know, I mean...
People talk now about...
People who have no
experience of abortion,
who have no experience
of how women feel,
of what they are
going through...
Talk about this as
something that women
do in a way that...
That is disembodied
from their values.
That women don't think
about their decision.
I never met a woman...
And I met thousands
of women in the '70s
who were having
abortions...
I never met a woman
who did not take
abortion seriously.
I certainly mea lot of women who
put on brave faces,
who were casual
in the waiting room.
But I can tell you
that when you got into
the procedure room
where the abortion
was going to be performed,
that you could tell
that each and every woman
was taking that decision
seriously.
And each and every woman
was doing the besthat she could do
with a difficult hand
that she had been dealt.
And it was... Iwas and is, for me,
humbling to think
about that because...
It does...
It does help you...
It did help me
to learn not to judge
other people's decisions
based upon exteriors.
That... That the
inner life and the
thinking of women is...
Is indeed very,
very profound and
very important.
Um...
I'm all done
and I'm exhausted and...
I'm... Agitated and
I need a cigarette very bad.
I can't smoke
in here anyway.
Um...
Just tired,
drained emotionally
and physically and...
Um, had a little cramping.
I don't know.
Lots of thoughts.
Maybe a little
relieved...
And now it's
time to just...
[ Sobbing ]
[ sniffling ]
[ sobbing ]
It's just been
a really long day.
I just need to go home
and get on with my life.
I know I made
the right decision,
but it's still not easy.
[ Inaudible ]
much better.
No, it's more in my hearthan in my stomach now.
Lake of Fire (2006)
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